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Forum Members, How aggressive should Moderators be?

I've moved this discussion from the Kaiser_Diamond_Version_1 Thread to open it up for more discussion.
I took a very aggressive Mod Stance in the thread as within minutes of it's creation we were already on page four of posts like:
"Woot I'm first", "Where is the link", "OMG IDK WTF", and such.
Within the first 30 minutes (all before the link was posted) I had removed about 20 pages of worthless posts.
So, users of XDA-Devs give me your feedback on this...

Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
Do you think nobody will complain when the first usable post is somewhere around page 112?
(but of course this post will be deleted within a few minutes also so enjoy and reply while you can)
standbackiamcrazy said:
thanks for all of your hard work, but where is the humanity? and the facist moderating of this forum, i say free ranting! and also free love,(any offers?)
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Ask questions & take interest sure but 100 pages of "Woot" & "I got first post" or "Man where the %&^#$ is the DL Link" will only serve to flush this thread before the Rom is even released.
orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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he is doing his job and trying to keep thread clean to discuss issues.
leo, if u have time, can u plz post benchmarks so we can compare how rom stacks against others?

Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
Rougenator said:
Kyphur, I have a lot of respect for u and what you do for this community. But emotions are also important. You deleted 3 of my messages... And they were not that bad... Also Everybody find its way trough the messages Leo gets. Within 2 days he gets more than 20 pages..
Jealous???
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kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
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I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.

Kyphur thanks man
kyphur said:
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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den85nis said:
kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.QUOTE]
I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.
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Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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I think deleting genuine posts has meant the post has turned into that not the fab new diamond based rom we are about to receive.
As this is the first diamond rom there will many pertinant questions not currently answered in the first post and the opportunity at least to ask should be there, even if this will need some tidying up later...IMO

Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
orithm said:
Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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kyphur said:
Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
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My point is rather than moderating minute by minute allow there to be some questions and answers and then tidy it up. OK most posts dont add value (like this one which you can kindly delete) but does it matter? It doesn't matter deleting them I guess but it just feels a bit crappy to find out your geniune posts have been deleted 5 minutes after posting.

I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
bengalih said:
So, while I appreciate everything you have done for us Kypher, and with all due respect, I think you are overstepping your bounds. If you strongly disagree I would talk it over with the site admins and update forum rules accordingly. If there is a forum rule that already prohibits this (other than an all inclusive "moderator discretion" then please point me to it).
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kyphur said:
I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
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great point Kyphur i dont post as many of other user but many people post useless junk like the one you told, let it be people and mantain these forum clean of junk

sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
kyphur said:
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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ionutz6 said:
sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
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ionutule you are so right. There are many ways the topic can be organized. Seperate bug topics for example, or some Thank you tools (a post after the 1st one where all thanks stay together (i dont know if there is such a hack for this forum).
Eitherway... my respect to the rest of the chefs and the mods who r trying to keep mess out of the forums

Strange board rules?!

Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........

n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum

zelendel said:
Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum
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Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
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Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.

n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!

n0me said:
Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
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You may have been using ROM's for a long time, but obviously not XDA. The 10 post rule is to prevent spam from getting into the truly Development Forums. The moderators can deal with the spam in the general, but it has no place in the thread for a ROM. If you go through the pages of the general forum, you can find numerous spam posts. I'm not talking about a pointless post, I mean true spam...advertisements and such. These are posted by people with 1 or 2 posts. So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.

I have been registered here for more then 2 years, I read and read and have questions from time to time. but either say screw the answer (if I cant find it) or look elsewhere.
I understand WHY the rule is a min. post count. But apparently there was something wrong with the site two years ago and the "Action Required to Activate Membership for xda-developers" email had problems. Without activating account you cant even see your profile OR post in the designated areas.... annoying to say the least since you dont even know that you didnt get an email you were suppose to.
So after resending the activation link just now on a hunch (and getting another error /shakes head) I am able to post and see my profile in full I believe, since the email came through despite the error on the board. Not to mention why I have 27 posts yet had to activate the account again!
Maybe the post count rule isnt the solution to the spam problem as it hinders the very development its meant to protect. Maybe with such a vast team to oversee things that harsher penalties for such spam posting could be implemented and the current post count rule be abandoned. But what do I know it seems the site fouled up in a unique way for my account....

zelendel said:
Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.
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I did send a private message to the developer and I have to see what comes out of this. But in my opinion it is a lot more molesting to write a p.m. than to post in a thread. Also I thought it might help others with the same problem to have it discussed in public.

lowandbehold said:
So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.
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I tried exactly this, trying to post ten comments in some trash forum or a very very old thread and guess what! You have to wait five minutes between postings as a "newbie" and even better the post was deleted just a few minutes later, resetting my post count to zero again. Seems like moderators take their job very seriously at 3 a.m. cet So no chance this way.

TheATHEiST said:
Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!
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It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
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n0me said:
It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
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Many moon's ago before implementation of post rules there wasn't just a small amount of spam and most of our time was dishing out bans and removing threads so the implementation is to help users and XDA it may be a gripe to new users but it saves work load in the long run.
Besides 10 posts without being SPAM is easily achievable.
Sent from the valley of the shadows....

@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.

TheATHEiST said:
@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.
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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.

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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.
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Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.

TheATHEiST said:
Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.
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You are very lost and confused...

n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Seriously, come on..
I fully understand this rule and I have "only" been a member since feb 2011..
Since I own a huge forum of my own I might have some info to bring forward to you.
If you allow newbies to post everywhere, where do you think the forum will be placed?
a) In the top of active forum list?
b) In the spammers heaven list?
And a follow up to that, where do you think a forum owner would like to end up?

All right kids knock it off. The 10 post rule is there for a reason and it is not hard to make 10 good posts.
As for the question of what would be posted if users couldn't post? Well check my sign for that answer. Before android hit the masses, the posts in Dev based threads were Dev related posts offering fixes. If something is broken in a rom your using then dig in and try to fix it. That is what XDA is here for. To help others learn. Rom makers do it for the fun of it and decide to share. Some also include small bugs to see who will try to help fix it by providing good info and possible fixes and who will post "huh this is broke please fix"

Meanwhile back at the ranch...
Ok, to end this thread, I restored the phone yesterday using the good old diy-trial-and-error method. Works like a charm again with the old ROM. I have to see where I go from here ROM-wise. I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community. Meanwhile the dev got back to my p.m. explaining what could have caused the problem, which is very kind of him. So thanks to ladyboo for helping out.

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I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community.
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lol, good luck finding a forum with even 1% of the roms/releasers/info that XDA has

LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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mgsnake89 said:
LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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But I understand the need for 10 posts...It's really not that hard. and in the case of an emergency...PM the dev.. I did

Made 11 posts, still can't post in DEV forums?

I would like to help out with the Cyanogen 7.2 port to the Wildfire S but I can't post in the DEV forums even with 11 posts.
Am I being impatient or do I have more hurdles to hop just so I can be of use to the community?
I know I'm new here, and yes I read the reasoning for the 10 post rule, but it's silly and it's quite frustrating to somebody who not only understands how to read forum rules and etiquette, but also could be helping out with a great project but I'm held back because I must be a "noob"
BTW I know you mods think this isn't true but it really does force new users to have to "spam" in some way shape or form just to be able to help out in the developer forums. I didn't go around posting a bunch of useless junk but my posts would have been more useful and well thought out if they weren't aimed more or less as gaining my 10 count of posts.
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I agree. I'm in same situation and think this 10 post rule is really frustrating.
This is my first "spam" post

I believe that a moderator has to go over your posts, make sure they are valid and not spam (by spam I mean real spam, against forum rules, or just saying that you need ten posts) and then they'll move you from junior member to just "member", allowing you to post in development forums. They do this on a schedule, if I have read correctly. All of your posts seem legit, and you've helped out, so just wait it out.
In the meantime you can pm whoever you need to reach if it's applicable in your case. Good luck, and welcome to the forums!
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plainjane said:
I believe that a moderator has to go over your posts, make sure they are valid and not spam (by spam I mean real spam, against forum rules, or just saying that you need ten posts) and then they'll move you from junior member to just "member", allowing you to post in development forums.
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A user needs 30 posts to become a "member".

Regardless, the solution is still acceptable since cases such as yourself are rare. Happy XDAing however.

Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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quarlow said:
Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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That's almost exactly what I wanted to say , but I didn't want to lecture .

quarlow said:
Has anyone ever noticed only people with less than 10 posts complain about this rule? You never see people that were stuck by this rule a few weeks ago say how it sucked, and was unfair.
You will see a lot of people with 100+ posts say that 10 posts isn't enough, but you never see anyone with more than 15 posts complain. I always found that interesting. Once people get over the hurdle, they start to feel less a n00b and notice all the n00bs that are so ignorant, and impatient, something they never were.
I agree with the rule, once you have some posts down, and get a feel for how these forums work you realize the rule is far from exorbitant. I think at about 25 posts people discover there is a search button, and at 50 posts they realize that most threads have more than one page, and there is actual useful content between post one and the last post.
If it were up to me it would be 20 posts, AND 30 days before you could open a new thread in a non-dev section, and 100+ posts before you can start a thread in a dev section. To post a reply to an open dev thread with 10 posts seems low, but acceptable.
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Thanks for the lecture.
Granted there are, and always will be, people with far less than even half a brain. Far more are just plain lazy and don't know how to search google. People also like to break rules, or just not read / follow them in the first place, I know what you're saying.
The frustrating part is that I've actually spent many many hours on these forums, just never had anything to contribute - I know the ropes, I get the gist of what is going on and where posts belong / where they dont but I found it annoying nontheless.
Anyway I'm not here, as a new member, trying to change any rules - I was more or less wondering what else I had to do, and somebody kindly answered my question for me above so I thank you for that.

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That's almost exactly what I wanted to say , but I didn't want to lecture .
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It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.
I wasn't trying to lecture, just respond to one rant with a rant of my own. It wasn't directed at the OP. He wasn't the first to gripe about this rule, and he won't be the last (even this week probably). That was my point, its a constant issue, but an issue that is always dropped as soon as the person hits the hurdle. If its such an unfair rule, why are there no advocates of repealing it (with more than 15 posts at the time)?

I agree with the OP, as I am in the same situation myself. I have spent weeks reading xda-dev posts, rooted my new Nook Tablets, learned from the experience and would like to contributed my experience and collaborate with other members. But due to this rule, I am forced to spend time on other topics, for which I am making less of a contribution to the community.
Regarding the reason why people with 100+ posts are not complaining about this rule... well, I think that is obvious -- they are now (hopefully) contributing to the community and do not want to waste their effort complaining. Otherwise people like myself and the OP could likely give-up out of frustration before ever finding enough less constructive posts to make. In these cases we all lose. We continue to make progress on our own (sometimes "re-inventing the wheel") but we could all be more productive together.

Preaching to the Choir here, but yeah, I'm commenting here because in other threads where I'd like to respond to a reply to a post I made, I can't.
What is odd is that I was able to post in Development threads at first and then couldn't.
Either way, walking the path because I am forced to...
Cheers

Even I've made 11 and can't post in the development thread I want. There's a great CM 12 Rom thread I need to post urgently and still can't post although I got 11. Really frustrated!

randika171 said:
Even I've made 11 and can't post in the development thread I want. There's a great CM 12 Rom thread I need to post urgently and still can't post although I got 11. Really frustrated!
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Some developers have put limits on which ranks of users are able to post in their threads. As of right now, you should be able to post in any thread on XDA, so that thread's OP may have set a rank limit, or perhaps it's a bug.
Let me know.

ИΘΘK¡€ said:
Some developers have put limits on which ranks of users are able to post in their threads. As of right now, you should be able to post in any thread on XDA, so that thread's OP may have set a rank limit, or perhaps it's a bug.
Let me know.
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Yup I can post now. It seems all I needed to do was wait for an hour or so. I logged in after an hour and yay!

Please help, I'm struggling to get this..

Honestly, I'm finding the whole XDA forums to be a completely hellish experience. I am not allowed to ask questions about programming on the Android platform (which is the only reason I joined the forum in the first place), until I make 10 'helpful posts'.
Under such conditions, these posts are bound to be artificial and contrived. This is only human nature, you can't force people to be helpful and giving, and trying to do so only creates the opposite, plus a load of frustration and resentment.
Yet, if you do make artificial or contrived posts, these will be deleted! But, of course they will be contrived, the only reason for making them, is to meet the 10 post requirement. How can they not be contrived, could somebody explain that to me, I genuinely don't get it.
I've been making games for over 25 years now, and I've never come across anything so fiendishly hellish before, as this 10 post rule. As much as I would love to be a member of this community, I just can't get me head around it. There is no possibly for me to make 10 helpful posts, without being dishonest and trying to deceive you.
Is dishonestly and deceit a requirement of being a member of this community?

Earn your rep. This is my first post. 9 more til i can jump up a rung.
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buffal0b1ll said:
Earn your rep. This is my first post. 9 more til i can jump up a rung.
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But if you're honest, isn't every post you make (to get to the 10) contrived, and you're only making it because it's another step along the way?
I know mine are. Only difference with me, is I'm being honest about it.

Of course every post we make is another step along the way.
Everything we do in life is another step along the way.
Is it really so much to ask that you make 10 helpful posts?
It's really not hard to do if you go to your devices forum and help some people out in either General or Q&A. There's also posts in this very section which can be answered even with only limited knowledge.
And if you don't feel like being helpful, then this is probably the wrong site for you considering this site has developers, themes etc. who put in countless hours of their own personal time making mods and decide to share them for the benefit of everyone.
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Of course every post we make is another step along the way.
Everything we do in life is another step along the way.
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Well, when we get to 10, it's a game changer; and we are then free to be natural and in a position to *freely* give and share our knowledge.
Before we get to the 10 post count, we're not freely giving and sharing our knowledge; we're doing so, in order to achieve the 10 post point.
I'm not trying to be belligerent or obtrusive at all. Honestly, I'm not.
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Is it really so much to ask that you make 10 helpful posts?
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Nope, the problem is when you ask that they are not contrived. It's like pointing a shotgun at someones head, and telling them 'act natural, or I shoot'. Under such circumstances, a person cannot act natural. If there were no shotgun, then it wouldn't be a problem and I would be free to respond naturally, and as I'm a helpful soul, I'd do what comes natural to me, and help people (as I do elsewhere in life, and on the internet).
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It's really not hard to do if you go to your devices forum and help some people out in either General or Q&A. There's also posts in this very section which can be answered even with only limited knowledge.
And if you don't feel like being helpful, then this is probably the wrong site for you considering this site has developers, themes etc. who put in countless hours of their own personal time making mods and decide to share them for the benefit of everyone.
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I will try.
Also, please understand, it's not that I don't feel like being helpful (in fact, I believe I am a very helpful and considerate soul); it's more that I feel incapable of making contrived helpful posts, when there is a shotgun to my head. It feels to me, as if I am being asked to act dishonestly.
It's not at all, that I just don't want to be helpful.
I have also put in countless hours, crafting my skill.
I'm actually also wondering if this is the right place for me. I'm a game developer, and in the process of porting a game to the Android platform (mostly I work on iOS). The kind of advice I'm looking for pertains to game development on Android, and I'm not sure if that's the focus of this forum?
The question I posted in the Q&A section, was related to sluggish touch input in a game I'm porting. I'm not sue the Q&A section is at all related to programming, though I could be wrong?

There are a bunch of debates/indignant threads, if you care
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1424

You're freely available to share your knowledge already. You don't need go have 10 posts to do that. It can be done by doing as I suggested before, answering peoples questions regarding the device you have.
The rules of xda ask that the posts new users make be helpful, because if they didn't, there would just be posts everywhere saying "thanks" or "good post" etc. As you can probably already see, there's loads of these posts as it is, so imagine how many there would be had these rules not been in place.
Each and every rule would've been thoroughly thought through and contemplated hundreds of times (at least) before they came into effect.
They're there because they work, while also bog driving away too many people.
There is a place for game development on here because as you may of may not have noticed, the majority of these device forums have a themes and apps section.
In there, you can find many a game which have been created by other members of xda.
On a final note, I won't discuss this further with you on this thread, because otherwise that's helping you get to 10 posts without actually helping out or contributing. That would defeat the purpose of my posts here.
If you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to PM me about it and I'll be glad to help you with any queries you have about this rule.
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I was frustrated too at first, but really? It is only ten posts man. Just refresh the general forum and find posts you can give a decent answer to. It isn't as bad as your making it seem.

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If you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to PM me about it and I'll be glad to help you with any queries you have about this rule.
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I will do, I'll send you a PM, thanks. It may be in a few days though, just need to cool down a little. Have been frustrated at a number of things (not just this place), also super-frustrated regarding the technical issue I'm having with multi-touches.
I don't mind if you delete this post; I appreciate if could be construed as an attempt to sneak in an extra post. Ironically, it's not, it's just me honestly expressing myself.
So yeah, may well leave if for a few days to cool down, and come back to it.
Best Regards,
J.

Wrong section, topic has beaten to death, etc. Thread closed.
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10 Post threshold before able to post in developer forum

I understand the principle of the 10-post limit before I can post in a developer thread, but it means i have to post meaningless things in other areas just to get my post numbers up.
Thoughts?

No. That's NOT what you do. Post useful posts, not meaningless posts. If you post crap they'll just get deleted
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in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...

jpom1983 said:
in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...
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Yes, the rule is very understandable. Since you know about Android you can easily look through threads and help some newbies out
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jpom1983 said:
in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...
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i know whatcha mean..ive been a member here for quite awhile but never posted anything..just used this site for information but the other day tried to post in a dev thread and was amazed to find out i was restricted lol .. this is a fantastic site though..ive learned alot over the years here..anything you need to know this is the place to look.

Same situation with me. Been trying to find anything good to chime in on. Anyone know where I can find a good thread for android games?
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I just went to the "General" and "Q&A" type forums here and for the devices I have and answered simple questions - so simple even a total n00b like me could say something useful !

To all the noobs, what makes you so special to where you will be exempt from the rules. Consider it a right of passage. If I had to endure, so shall you. Its not hard;to make ten HELPFUL posts. Stop copping out that's its an inconvenience and just do it!!

besides there are a lot of people asking questions that can benefit from your inputs in the general section
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It's actually an incredibly stupid rule, just like the noob video on account creation. Assumes that everyone who browses the forums are brainless script kiddies and leechers, rather than those who came from other websites and development communities.
But we're thankful that it's only a 10 post limit, I suppose.

There has Been more than a thousand threads of this kind.
Instead of just fuming over the rule and wasting time, make use of it and be useful to others and get the 10 post count.
Reporting......
And BTW have a look at this thread if you are eager to post in dev forum.
LIFE! Enjoy it while you Still have it!

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This topic has been discussed at length numerous times in many threads. There's really no need for another one.