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this is the image i found for iPhone 2..
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2008/04/iphone-2-rumor-ipod-observer.jpg
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this is the image i found for iPhone 2..
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2008/04/iphone-2-rumor-ipod-observer.jpg
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that's a really old pic. :-\
nothin said:
f iphone, this is PPC/HTC machines forum.
MAAAD!
why you iphone masturbators won't realize, that whole iphone **** is killing PPC's and xdadev, IMO.
gtfo omfg.
one reason to love PPC machines:
thousands of software makers.
thousands of ideas,
what do you have with your iphone ffs, wow factor?
gtfo, i said.
and i have right to say that.
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lol! Its just a phone
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lol! Its just a phone
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so?
THIS is iphone, and is THIS XDA-DEV or fockin iphoneg#$forum?
i remember what xdadev was...
how many of you too...
it was NORMAL forum about PPC/SM modding, now this place is actually one big mess.
sweet lord, what is happening here now..
instead adding subforum about EVERY moddable(uh..) WM device now we have iphonemoronism everywhere...
can anyone give me link to ppc modding site ONLY?
I agree screw the Iphone, it's not as great as everyone has been lead to think it is. So yeah it looks flashy when you go through it's menu's woopie slap pointui on a PPC and you've got your flashy. Screw the Iphone and macs in general.
Was about to say that I have no interest in anything that starts with a lower-case 'i'. then I realise I use i-Mate. D'oh
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I agree screw the Iphone, it's not as great as everyone has been lead to think it is. So yeah it looks flashy when you go through it's menu's woopie slap pointui on a PPC and you've got your flashy. Screw the Iphone and macs in general.
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I quite like it: bit limited connectivity-wise, poor camera and I prefer drag 'n' drop to Itunes BUT to use the Iphone is a breath of fresh air and has at the very least brought about a change in the way everyone - Symbian, Windows Mobile and so-on is to approach the GUIs of their hansets.
Apple didn't invent the touchscreen but they've brought about a revival of it and you've only got to play on an LG Viewty and an Iphone for 30 minutes each from a cold introduction to realise just how much thought and effort has been put into the Iphone's operation, and how much of a dog everything seems in comparison.
I'm not an Apple fanboy, I don't own one, nor do I own or know how to use a Mac. What I do know is that over the next year or so there are to be some exciting advancements in the world of the touchscreen and I thank Apple for getting Microsoft and Symbian off their arses and thinking about how to make their operating systems NICE to use.
Function is nothing without enjoyment
so imagine enjoyment WITHOUT function.
It was posted in the General discussion area so i cant see how its managed to wind you up so much. Its simply a thread in an online forum not like someones slashed your car tyres. Im no apple fanboy, i do own a Mac (only cos windows is so crap) but have a HTC Touch.
Maybe start a petition to ban iPhone talk here if your so against it?
All of this negativity, come on guys, its just a phone. Its not like the second coming.
However, what gets me with all this negativity is that the modding scene for WM that gives a lot of iPhone style functionality - iFonz, ThumbCal, PocketCM, etc.
Whilst I do like (some) of the functionality of WM, I cannot believe that MS has got to v6 of WM and still managed to have a product with arguably one of the worst user interface experiences that I've ever, er, experienced.
The good thing about iPhone and Mac is the easy of "Getting into a computer for the first time". What I mean is if you are totally computer illiterate (or a computer virgin) it is much easier to understand and get a hang of it than Microsofts OSs. However, it is pretty darn hard to "downgrade" to a Mac once you worked on XP or Vista --- where the f**k is the right mouse button anyways...
I love the User Experience factor on the iPhone, but other than that I can't use it for anything other than a really expensive mp3 player with a phone function.
I would say if your grandma fanny wants to learn computer and how to get on the internet a Mac is perfect for her.
Come on now guys... I can understand iPhone hatred, as this is a WM device (emphasis on WM) forum, but hating Macs? There ARE PPC-using Mac people, you know... myself included... me personally, I have my trusty TyTN II and an iPhone... one for work, one for play. Each have their pros and cons. And ultimately... TO EACH HIS OWN!!!
I love the Iphone vs. all other phones arguments. It's so amusing to see both sides get so worked up. It's like watching a American Football fan arguing with a Football fan from anywhere else in the world (soccer). Yes there are similarities but they are two different sports, therefore the majority of arguments are merely logical fallacies.
My friend put it best, "Apple makes products now for people that want to be told what to do". The Iphone is an amazing piece of eye candy. Competition breeds excellence so I say the people at Apple should give it everything they got. HTC should then try to outdo Iphone etc..etc..this will then give us better and better phones.
@burgertime, what does your friend mean, told what to do? You mean because of our zealot-like loyalty (sorry here, don't mean to sound too condescending or anything, but you have to admit alot of mac fans are simply that - zealots (I'm not one, personally, and though I like Macs, I hate those zealot-like fans). btw, it's outDO, not outDUE
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@burgertime, what does your friend mean, told what to do? You mean because of our zealot-like loyalty (sorry here, don't mean to sound too condescending or anything, but you have to admit alot of mac fans are simply that - zealots (I'm not one, personally, and though I like Macs, I hate those zealot-like fans). btw, it's outDO, not outDUE
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Are you happy now grammar nazi??? Ha ha just joking. Anyways, I think what he was getting at was the problem many WM users had with the Iphone. The fact that you had to "jail break" it just to put anything outside of what Apple tells you is the best to have on the phone. Same thing with the Ipod. Apple has decided that it has the best products so why change a good thing? Where as Windows has been forced to go along with the flo of programs developed outside of their scope. Apple I think will be forced to be open on a programming level.
Just as an example I would much rather own a Creative Zen then an Iphone. Yes the Iphone looks better, but I want to be able to put a WMV file or a Ogg or anyother codec and not have to run through Itunes to do it. Thus why I say Apple says, "you have to use Itunes because it's the best". A lot of people like the simplicity of this and thus carry around their Iphones like a cross.
Anyways just my two cents. I think the Iphone looks wonderful but I prefer being able to have hundreds of programs that exploit the hell out of my phone.
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@burgertime, what does your friend mean, told what to do? You mean because of our zealot-like loyalty (sorry here, don't mean to sound too condescending or anything, but you have to admit alot of mac fans are simply that - zealots (I'm not one, personally, and though I like Macs, I hate those zealot-like fans). btw, it's outDO, not outDUE
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As long as we're correcting, you never closed your first parentheses. I'll get it for you. ) There you go.
Oops... my bad. I can see why you're the sarcasm merchant.
About Jailbreaking, that's gonna end on June 9th, when Apple is (sorry, feeding off my own Mac/iPhone/Apple rumor sources here), but Gizmodo has a source that claims that iPhone 2, and also iPhone 2.0 (that's firmware update/ROM update to WM) that will introduce the iPhone App Store (including free titles). Hence, it'll be more of an open system, not to mention it'll support (in addition to the original Y!Mail) GMail, Exchange, AOL, .mac mail to be pushed.
I think the reason so many people strongly dislike the iPhone (or anything else 'Apple') is their misleading manipulative advertising. They don't just say "we're great" they say "we're great, and everyone else sucks". This is offputting as is the super saturation advertising.
They act like they invented the touchscreen (give me a break).
Instead of saying "the iPhone doesn't work with a stylus, Jobs says "stylus's SUCK" in an attempt to properly indoctrinate the fanboys. It's nice to use your finger, but Styluses have their place too.
Apple fanboys sit on their asses in front of the TV and wait for Jobs to tell them what they want instead of getting on the net and finding out what's really available out there.
Jobs just makes me sick. They say he has 'Vision', I say he has 'Tunnel Vision'. He doesn't care what the people want, it's what HE wants. Like the sealed battery, Pocket PCs quit using sealed batterys 5 years or so ago because THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED! Same with Dpads, buttons and keyboards.
I have an iPhone that I got cheap because it won't read a simcard. This is a common problem with the iphone. Have you ever heard of a phone that won't detect a simcard?
Finally, Itunes absolutely sucks (as does quicktime and any other piece of apple software you may have the misfortune of installing on your PC). Unfortunately, the free itunes alternatives available on the net do not work with the iPhone
And finally, you don't own what you buy from apple, THEY do. At least that's the impression I get by their attempts to prevent you from modding or actually doing what you want with what you purchased. (another example of Jobs' meglomaniacal tunnel vision. He somehow knows better than you what you want.)
Good pic, but that is not the new iphone - 1st that pic is quite old now and 2nd that pic is meant to be the 1st iphone in a black case - but don't get me wrong that design is not half bad for the iphone.
However this is a Windows Mobile site - and however good the iphone may be it is not in this section
I just wanted to say, if your iPhone did it so well, then go back to your iPhone.
So many people that are coming from Apple don't understand the significance of having a phone that is this customizable and open source to boot. One problem with the device and they want to return it to the store.
There will be problems. If you decide to flash a custom ROM to your phone, there will probably be a few more. You surely remember flashing your iPhone with a new ROM for the first time...right?
Oh, that's right, you couldn't.
iPhone users are sure a different breed. So many wants, so little appreciation. (Also, I'm not calling out EVERY iPhone user on the planet, you all know who you are)
The Captivate is a really, really, nice phone. I don't look at the OS on the phone as something Samsung has anything to do with either, which a lot of people seem to do around these forums.
I purchased this phone, because I have wanted a phone that natively runs Android. I have had Android running on my old HTC kaiser(which is 1000% better than Windows Mobile and keeps the phone current), and my HTC Rhodium. The passion and dedication of Android developers and the willingness of Android adopters to help in any way they can is amazing.
Anyways, I will wait for new ROMs to be released for this phone, and I will be happy with the fact that there will be ROMs for this phone, that it has a stunning display, and that most if not all the shortcomings of the phone will be short lived by the persistently dedicated developers out there. The hardware is great, the OS is great, and will get better over time.
Now, AT&T where is my 4g...
Well said. Now the ROM waiting begins...
I agree 100%! I also had a mini rant regarding everyone looking at their antenna and TRYING to lose bars. Just use the damn phone. If you drop a call, that is a problem. Until then, enjoy it!
lol n1. i hope talking it out helped.
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I'm not mad, I just hate having to click through all these threads that people make asking the same questions over and over again and complaining about the same things.
well put !
This thread is great! This OS will evolve and it will change to what the users want and what doesn't get built in the OS most likely will be filled with an app or customized ROMs. I came from an iPhone 3G. I skipped the 3GS upgrade because I wasn't convinced Apple would make significant strides. With this upgrade, I could have went with iPhone 4. Its a nice looking device but I don't want to be shackled by their restrictions. Over a 2 year period they added what...a front facing camera, multitasking and folders??? GIVE ME A BREAK.
you said that perfectly and you know how some people switched from iphone 4 to this and they complain about no flash well all the other iphones didn't have flash either just to put it out there
I am going to wait and skip this phone. Within a few months they will come out with a 1024 x 760 or whatever the new Gingerbread resolution is.... Then I will sell my iPhone 4 and jump back into the fun world of flashing ROM's. That is the only thing I miss about all of my old windows Mobile device..... OH and I did miss the xda-developers for the few years I was away
@dewt
I completely agree with you.. all the points you have made.
If you wanna say "but my iPhone..." stick to your iPhone and let Steve jobs exploit you the way he wants..
Come on... its hard to think that so many ppl are caught under his spell..
I mean come on.. WAT can you do with an iphone??? .. except make and receive (... oh wait a moment...) .. calls???. there is nothing customizable in an iPhone. i got bored within 15 minutes using an iPhone.
I guess i lost all my respect for Apple products bcoz of Steve Jobs attitude(hold the phone different... other phones also face this issue... come on). i feel sorry for his engineers though.
I feel proud to have bought the fastest android device presently and i can live with some imperfections (in fact i love working my way around if i cant figure out things.) Dont you guys think that it makes you learn more stuff.
Google rocks!.. Android is the best eva!! i think with time things will only get better with Android..
This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.
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This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate. I for one have seen almost no threads where someone was saying their iPhone was better and the Captivate couldn't do something. Don't piss off the Captivate community, because a LARGE number of people in the Captivate community seem to be coming from iPhones because this is the first decent Android phone that AT&T has offered. So far I've heard almost nothing but mature conversations between iPhone and Captivate owners until this one. Just a few people coming from iPhones or thinking about coming from an iPhone and wanting to know what the Android OS is capable of and if it will do everything they want so they can decide if they want to swap.
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what you say makes sense. But my opinion was tied to the comments i hear from my friends who use iPhones.. so nothing against ppl participating in this community.
definitely have to agree with dewt on this, why? I'm the most anti-iPhone person I know, but I came from WinMo (see sig) and you know what, I love this phone. Sure there are a ton of features missing right now, but that's RIGHT NOW. I know it's gonna get bigger and better, so why complain about things? You know what you should be doing instead of whinning about features that aren't on the phone.... going through posts, searching the internet, asking around and finding out HOW to get them on the phone like I have been! I loved being able to view my Excel docs, so I found a way to have them sync'd online directly from my desktop PC with Offisync, then view them with the Google Docs app.... wow, so difficult....
Bottom line, if you're gonna complain, first think about the fact that you may be complaining for no reason if there is an app, setting, or work-around available. Next, take the iPhone out of your @$$, sit down for once, and relax!!!
Just to clarify, this post does not only extend to people on this forum. All of the iPhone users that I know personally would not even entertain the idea of switching to another phone. Laugh at it really. Even when presented with facts.
I'm just sayin'.
I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.
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I'll tell you what though. Being a user of both, the Android fanboys are MUCH worse than the iPhone fanboys now. In the past couple of months the Android fanboys have gotten incredibly obnoxious, and it's posts like this, in our own message board, where you still have to try and tell iPhone users how stupid they are that do it. Why don't you just grow up and let people choose what they like and be done. There's no reason that any iPhone user needs to entertain the idea of switching. If they are happy, then good for them, leave them alone. Trust me, I like the customizability of Android quite a bit, that's why I have an Android phone now that AT&T has one worth buying. A lot of people don't give a damn if you can root your phone and make it install apps that the iPhone doesn't have. These topics aren't necessary and only make it worse.
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You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!
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You are missing the point ... i think both me and dewt are referring to iPhone users (friends) who try to argue tht iPhones are better than Android phones.
You havto agree tht Android is a competitor for iPhone and now when Android market is growing bigger, the iPhone users (3G , 3GS and 4) are always trying to condescend on the android users which should not be the case!
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I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.
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I think you are actually missing the point. He was saying that while there have been conversations pointing out improvements that can be made based on iPhone user experience (GPS anyone?), no one here is arguing the iPhone is superior. Posts like dewts just make you look as rabid, ignorant, and uncompromising as the iPhone users you hate.
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Ok! maybe things are going off topic.. Lets stick to getting the best of our android devices!!
lets forget bout iPhones!!
Am surely Captivate(d) by my new Android device
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This thread is entirely unnecessary and as bad as iPhone owners complaining about the Captivate.
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I have seen a few users complain very harshly and unfairly compare this phone and the captivate. They like the iPhone so much they can't even see the good side of android.
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I really like WP7, I recognise that it has some missing features but I am confident the se will be addressed with time. My concern is that anybody considering WP7 who reads this forum (or a plethora of other websites) could be easily put off by the negativity displayed by:-
1) Android/ IOS trolls
2) Disenchanted WM6.5 users who still want to spend their lives tweaking and cooking
Roms
3) People with an irrational fear of "the cloud".
4) Journalists who are desperate for MS to fail (because they are not Apple or Google
and thus not trendy!)
My question is, what can those of us who have faith in the platform do to balance the arguments a bit? I'm not talking about fanboism, I'm talking about expounding the positive features of WP7 like one note, like cloud sync, like the people hub, like the fast browser, like XBox integration for gamers (even though I do not use that much), like the easy access camera, like Zune and Zune Pass, like the fluid interface, like 25Gb of FREE Skydrive etc.
For example, I have a 16Gb HD7 with 25Gb skydrive means that to me I have a 41Gb device - more than my Ipad (see, I am platform agnostic).
If those of us who like WP7 do not actively support it, it will go the way of WebOS no matter how much Microsoft spend on their marketing budget.
WP7 is a revolution, let's get revolutionary about it!!!!
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I really like WP7, I recognise that it has some missing features but I am confident the se will be addressed with time. My concern is that anybody considering WP7 who reads this forum (or a plethora of other websites) could be easily put off by the negativity displayed by:-
1) Android/ IOS trolls
2) Disenchanted WM6.5 users who still want to spend their lives tweaking and cooking
Roms
3) People with an irrational fear of "the cloud".
4) Journalists who are desperate for MS to fail (because they are not Apple or Google
and thus not trendy!)
My question is, what can those of us who have faith in the platform do to balance the arguments a bit? I'm not talking about fanboism, I'm talking about expounding the positive features of WP7 like one note, like cloud sync, like the people hub, like the fast browser, like XBox integration for gamers (even though I do not use that much), like the easy access camera, like Zune and Zune Pass, like the fluid interface, like 25Gb of FREE Skydrive etc.
For example, I have a 16Gb HD7 with 25Gb skydrive means that to me I have a 41Gb device - more than my Ipad (see, I am platform agnostic).
If those of us who like WP7 do not actively support it, it will go the way of WebOS no matter how much Microsoft spend on their marketing budget.
WP7 is a revolution, let's get revolutionary about it!!!!
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I'm with ya, WP7 brother. I try to do my part by telling it like it is, being the highest quality mobile OS yet released, but who knows if it is having fruitful effect.
I'm with you too
It may be missing some features but just by looking at it, you can see that once Microsoft does implement the missing features it will look a lot better than Android's.
It's the first OS that's actually impressed me ever since iPhone came out.
I liked Android but it felt unfinished and I felt that buying one was not a good investment, since by the next year they would stop handing out updates for it and they would release a device frequently.
Hell yeah! Let's do this thing!
you want to know the best way to promote windows phone? allow people to use it. i've shown my phone to virtually all my friends, and they all really like it. though they didn't use it for very long, they liked the capabilities of the OS in terms of smoothness, visual appearance, and functionality (well with what they played with).
i think we really just need to see MS continue to better the platform both on the phone side, but also on the developer side. they need to get the SDKs for all the hardware out asap, and then work on more SDKs that will bring features not yet on the market by any other maker. what could this be? who knows... but MS has enough in their coffers to find out, as well as enough R&D going on.
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you want to know the best way to promote windows phone? allow people to use it. i've shown my phone to virtually all my friends, and they all really like it. though they didn't use it for very long, they liked the capabilities of the OS in terms of smoothness, visual appearance, and functionality (well with what they played with).
i think we really just need to see MS continue to better the platform both on the phone side, but also on the developer side. they need to get the SDKs for all the hardware out asap, and then work on more SDKs that will bring features not yet on the market by any other maker. what could this be? who knows... but MS has enough in their coffers to find out, as well as enough R&D going on.
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^this! I've already had one person wish they hadn't got a desire - let's keep this up!
You know what Microsoft need though right? A huge pr stunt in the US, UK, France, Germany etc. Just to catch the headlines and make sure that good things are said
+1. I'm very glad to have gotten this phone and once the first update is out I'll be even happier. All my friends who have been on the fence about a new phone have heard from me!
For me the WP7 is perfect in the sense that I am done with the whole power user/modding thing. I used to have a TP2 and tried a lot of ROMs but in the end I just wanted a phone that did two things i.e fluid and give me exactly the information I needed at a glance so I could get on with my life rather than tinker with it all the damn time. And this is where the WP7 serves me very well.
I see a lot of 6.5 users whining here but I truly wish they had done a bit of reading on the WP7 platform so they would know that the WP7 is going to be nothing like the 6.5 and I truly hope it never will be because MS will permanently lose me to android. I'm glad I gave WP7 a chance after reading up on it even though I had washed my hands off the WM platform after the 6.5 nightmare.
Probably the biggest reason I'm enjoying the WP7 is because I knew fully well before buying the phone what features to expect and what it won't have out of the box so that saved me the headache of buying first and then whining about it in these forums. I mean what part of 1.0 don't you understand? Personally I think the 6.5 fan boys are even worse than android fan boys. For me the 6.5 offers quantity over quality and I guess some people are fine with that but not me and that's why I chose WP7.
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I see a lot of 6.5 users whining here but I truly wish they had done a bit of reading on the WP7 platform so they would know that the WP7 is going to be nothing like the 6.5 and I truly hope it never will be because MS will permanently lose me to android. I'm glad I gave WP7 a chance after reading up on it even though I had washed my hands off the WM platform after the 6.5 nightmare.
Probably the biggest reason I'm enjoying the WP7 is because I knew fully well before buying the phone what features to expect and what it won't have out of the box so that saved me the headache of buying first and then whining about it in these forums. I mean what part of 1.0 don't you understand? Personally I think the 6.5 fan boys are even worse than android fan boys. For me the 6.5 offers quantity over quality and I guess some people are fine with that but not me and that's why I chose WP7.
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Mm, the 6.5 people are really starting to piss me off. They seem to think that WP7 is a sequel to WM6.5 - which it quite obviously isn't. Microsoft are quite obviously trying to forget WM, as it was, and still is, total rubbish. At least the Android guys actually have a semi-decent OS to whine about :/
It Will Get Better.
adesonic you have my support ,just wait for the updates and be happy.
I agree with everything said. Winmo users hate it because they can't tweak it (though it doesn't need tweaks so you can actually use the phone instead of always trying to fix it).
Android users are complaining about how "closed" it is. I think android is the one that needs to worry. Android has climbed quickly due to it's "open" nature, which means its on more devices than any other OS. The problem being is that most of those devices are pure crap. There is definitely not an across the board experience on android. Hell, some devices are still on 1.5/1.6 of android. Fragmentation has exploded at a much higher rate than on winmo, which has started to lead to developer frustration because their apps don't run smoothly on all phones.
I see the really dedicated tweakers heading over to android, and people that only tweaked to make their phone run properly to switch to wp7. It will be a better overall OS in the next year than android.
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For me the WP7 is perfect in the sense that I am done with the whole power user/modding thing. I used to have a TP2 and tried a lot of ROMs but in the end I just wanted a phone that did two things i.e fluid and give me exactly the information I needed at a glance so I could get on with my life rather than tinker with it all the damn time. And this is where the WP7 serves me very well..
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Happy to see some people still face the reality. Thumbs up
I love my Omnia 7 as unlike 6.5 I have not yet reset the phone since I have purchased it and it's still running silky fast. And thank god for not having a task manager and just hitting the back button. I never want to go back to fiddling with my phone to try and get it running properly.
I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.
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I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.
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i thought this was supposed to be a positive thread, specifically for wp7 ? it seems like just another comparison thread, or a "but we're doing good stuff now too!" thread.
anyway, i like the OP's idea of being a positive promoter. you may find it easiest to just start a youtube channel with your mission stated, and provide good tips, avoiding buzzwords, all while filtering the negative. people relate to a video demonstration of capabilities so very well.
good luck
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I had a G1 when it was first released and upgraded to a Desire. In my opinion, this is why WP7 will do better than Android has...
Peoples Reactions:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is. The only reason why Android has been successful up to now (in the UK at least) is because people want a smartphone with apps. 90% of the people I know who have an Android device had no idea what Android was before they bought the phone (and some still don't really understand). Google do little to no marketing.
Soon people will walk into a shop looking for a HTC AND be further persuaded by Windows Phone.
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i've not seen a 'you have htc' comment, once.
here, in the southeastern US, people ask "Is that a google phone ?". associating google + phone = awesome; is what it seems to be. at family/friend gatherings, i have yet to see a wp7 device. the wp6.x holdouts that i've personally known have changed to iphone or more commonly, android. phone envy ? i dunno, possibly. it seems more than anything the young folks i run into -know- the iphone from 30 feet away, know the android devices from 10 feet away, and know wp7 is still beta ware. i'm sorry, but that's the impression the young folks have here.
that being said, the older (than me) folks tend to gravitate to iphones. the large, easily read/understood apps and icons seem to attract them, along with the ease of use with their newish apple desktops. at physical therapy a few weeks ago, one gentleman was commenting about a recipe his aunt emailed him. on his phone. then he facetime'd her, and showed her the exercises that were going on. gimmicky ? i think not. i questioned him about android, wp7, and who made his phone. he didn't care, he just wanted "something that works very well, and doesn't require calling his nephew to fix."
that kind of attitude is what i'm seeing, here. people really don't -care- what the device is, what it runs, or who makes the software. all they want is a device that is mature, easily used, and easily maintained.
word-of-mouth is definitely in my neck o the woods(order of popularity/importance):
iphone
android (google phone more commonly known)
other
wp7 isn't on the radar. at all. it needs a ton of marketing, the current 'really' ads are funny, sharp, and true to life. what they -don't- do is show the phone. iphone ads on the other hand, show the phone (speeded up of course) doing what it does. android phones, show what they do. the wp7 commercials (which i love) point out the flaws of people, not the positives of the phone. we -all know- that people text and drive, are distracted everywhere in life by their phones. what we don't know is how the windows idea is going to solve this. SHOW IT !
hopefully this can be read, understood and not taken as fanboy bashing. it's very difficult for people to read a comment that isn't complete praise for a product and agree usually.
brummiesteven said:
Desire: "Oh you have a HTC?"
HD7: "Oh you have one of them new Windows Phones?"
The point? People know what Windows Phone 7 is.
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Interesting-- guess MS has done a much better job marketing WP7 in the UK than the US. The WP7 ads are on TV, but in NY I haven't come across anyone outside of techie circles who's aware of WP7 (awareness seems on par with Windows Mobile -- which is basically none -- whereas Android (which, as ohgood mentioned, is often known as "the Google phone") is almost approaching iPhone mindshare now). I'm the only WP7 owner I know of (and now the only WM owner as well-- everyone else switched to iPhones or Android handsets).
On the retail front, most WP7 displays I've seen at AT&T stores are hidden in the corner, and T-Mobile shops just have the HD7 on display along with the HD2 and a million Android phones, so it's pretty hidden (interestingly the HD7 is still in stock everywhere in retail, unlike even the HD2, which sold out almost immediately).
ohgood said:
i've not seen a 'you have htc' comment, once.
here, in the southeastern US, people ask "Is that a google phone ?". associating google + phone = awesome; is what it seems to be. at family/friend gatherings, i have yet to see a wp7 device. the wp6.x holdouts that i've personally known have changed to iphone or more commonly, android. phone envy ? i dunno, possibly. it seems more than anything the young folks i run into -know- the iphone from 30 feet away, know the android devices from 10 feet away, and know wp7 is still beta ware. i'm sorry, but that's the impression the young folks have here.
that being said, the older (than me) folks tend to gravitate to iphones. the large, easily read/understood apps and icons seem to attract them, along with the ease of use with their newish apple desktops. at physical therapy a few weeks ago, one gentleman was commenting about a recipe his aunt emailed him. on his phone. then he facetime'd her, and showed her the exercises that were going on. gimmicky ? i think not. i questioned him about android, wp7, and who made his phone. he didn't care, he just wanted "something that works very well, and doesn't require calling his nephew to fix."
that kind of attitude is what i'm seeing, here. people really don't -care- what the device is, what it runs, or who makes the software. all they want is a device that is mature, easily used, and easily maintained.
word-of-mouth is definitely in my neck o the woods(order of popularity/importance):
iphone
android (google phone more commonly known)
other
wp7 isn't on the radar. at all. it needs a ton of marketing, the current 'really' ads are funny, sharp, and true to life. what they -don't- do is show the phone. iphone ads on the other hand, show the phone (speeded up of course) doing what it does. android phones, show what they do. the wp7 commercials (which i love) point out the flaws of people, not the positives of the phone. we -all know- that people text and drive, are distracted everywhere in life by their phones. what we don't know is how the windows idea is going to solve this. SHOW IT !
hopefully this can be read, understood and not taken as fanboy bashing. it's very difficult for people to read a comment that isn't complete praise for a product and agree usually.
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There then seems to be a massive division between the US (and I assume) the Rest of the World (or at least the UK/Europe).
Over here hardly anybody knows what Android is. We have no little to no android advertisements.
The major problem with Google is they don't seem to want to advertise themselves, am I correct here? U.S. Advertisements are done by Verizon/Maunfacturers etc etc?
Manufacturers do advertise their phones over here but none of them mention that the phones have android. The samsung adverts have the android robot in them but they don't really explain them. HTC adverts don't mention android at all (they just have the "you" campain).
There are a few things. The CarphoneWarehouse (mobile phone store) has started advertising android instore but this doesn't extend to TV or billboards etc. The G1 had minor "With Google" stamps on it's adverts but most people I know assumed this just meant it came with Google Maps, Google Search etc and had nothing to do with the OS.
When Networks (Carriers) get android phones they may promote them instore but this will be for the phones themselves and nothing on them running Android.
Compare this to WP7:
- Adverts on TV All the time (They might not be the best, but they're there at least)
- Massive billboard adverts, showing the phones "This changes everything Gizmodo Quote".
- o2 promoting the HD7 specifically highlighting that it's a Windows Phone
- Orange doing the same with the Omnia and Mozart
- Product Placement (see http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...0089751101228_525696227_7296354_3969070_n.jpg)
Over here hardly anyone knows what Android is and it really used to piss me off how Google did no advertising whatsoever.
To the OP: Apologies that I took this post offtopic, I'm going to contact a Mod now and ask them if they will split the marketing discussion into a new topic.
Thumbs up here also. I've known about the differences between all the O/S and WP7, I actually came from 6.5. I brought one home, and the wife almost immediately said, go back and get me one too.
When I am using the phone in public places, sometimes I can feel people stretching to see what I am using. That usually generates a little conversation. About 70% say, "Oh, I've heard about those new Windows phones", or else they have seen the commercials and have not seen the phone. I tell them overall, this is a great system now, but not without its drawbacks (namely no custom ringtones.. and a few other things that will be addressed in the near future). Not the same old MS products. Go out and get one.
I am heartened to see so many positive comments, I may take up the earlier suggestion abou showing off some features of wp7 on YouTube
5yrs behind again? When can Android finally overthrone iOS?
Now Google and Microsoft are jealous.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/26/why-google-and-microsoft-need-to-fear-siri/
This post is a joke right?
He's baiting the trolls. He just wants to see a flame war.
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This post is a joke right?
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I would say it is, yes. But it also shows something else: The power of Apple marketing. Siri used to be an app in the store, and nothing. Then Apple buys the company, touts Siri as some "revolutionary" thing they created, and look at what's happening - suddenly Siri is the best thing since sliced bread and all other vendors should fear it. Yeah right. If you ask me, Siri is a fad that will quickly blow over. Even with Apple's marketing.
Joke, may be you haven't seen the power of SIRI, it is just I always see my sister talking to her phone and she said it is very useful especially when sending email, he will just say "send mike an email, Can you put up the dialyzer so I can start to dialyze when I got there tomorrow" she does not need to go in the mail app, look for the email addresss, click on the message box and type the message, same as text, I think it is not that useful, but now that I saw my sister doing that, I think I might sell my Infuse 4g and try the 4s, come on I did not post this to hurt your egos which now obviously hurt because you bought an Android device, I too bought Infuse 4g but I am open on any device that will benefit me.
The difference between me and some guys here, I am open minded on what will benefit me, and some guys defend Android like it is their company and want to beat Apple, Rim, and Window phone 7. And they don't want to let people speak that they made a mistake buying Android or they just love their android.
spirikitik said:
Joke, may be you haven't seen the power of SIRI, it is just I always see my sister talking to her phone and she said it is very useful especially when sending email, he will just say "send mike an email, Can you put up the dialyzer so I can start to dialyze when I got there tomorrow" she does not need to go in the mail app, look for the email addresss, click on the message box and type the message, same as text, I think it is not that useful, but now that I saw my sister doing that, I think I might sell my Infuse 4g and try the 4s, come on I did not post this to hurt your egos which now obviously hurt because you bought an Android device, I too bought Infuse 4g but I am open on any device that will benefit me.
The difference between me and some guys here, I am open minded on what will benefit me, and some guys defend Android like it is their company and want to beat Apple, Rim, and Window phone 7. And they don't want to let people speak that they made a mistake buying Android or they just love their android.
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totally agree with this post. Until google puts more thought into the UX it will be behind imo. It has all the features but they're so haphazardly tossed together that using it is a chore.
As much as it is kinda cool in the right situations I see this being just another reason to own a cell signal jamming box. People are already rude enough to make a call while in speaker phone.
Text from my friend,
"If you dont my floorspace I think there's a lot of room in my room as I got a big corner suite so gay just to buy the best thing to me the room only has one bed and is also one clean so club club at so"
"Damn Siri"
Android is FAR AHEAD OF Apple.
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bleach168 said:
Text from my friend,
"If you dont my floorspace I think there's a lot of room in my room as I got a big corner suite so gay just to buy the best thing to me the room only has one bed and is also one clean so club club at so"
"Damn Siri"
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You should upload a screenshot of that!
Yes I know when I used the mic button on my Android Infuse 4g it ends up like that, it will never understand how you speak, unlike SIRI you can even correct the word you say even you say it the wrong way just correct it, the next time you say it on your accent it will understand it, or may be that is how your friend speak, tell him to take english class online, it is cheaper online.
Have to admit... It is quite accurate..
I used it at a busy apple store, and it still heard me!
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spirikitik said:
Yes I know when I used the mic button on my Android Infuse 4g it ends up like that, it will never understand how you speak, unlike SIRI you can even correct the word you say even you say it the wrong way just correct it, the next time you say it on your accent it will understand it, or may be that is how your friend speak, tell him to take english class online, it is cheaper online.
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I sure hope SIRI isn't submitting your posts, because if that's the case it's completely worthless.
You do realize SIRI is just an app right? If you think an app can put apple 5 years ahead of android, none of your posts should be taken seriously. In my opinion, the SUPERUSER app puts android infinitely ahead of apple. Android has personal assistant apps, and I am quite sure the developers will be working hard on them now. Apple has nothing to the likes of Superuser and never will.
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I sure hope SIRI isn't submitting your posts, because if that's the case it's completely worthless.
You do realize SIRI is just an app right? If you think an app can put apple 5 years ahead of android, none of your posts should be taken seriously. In my opinion, the SUPERUSER app puts android infinitely ahead of apple. Android has personal assistant apps, and I am quite sure the developers will be working hard on them now. Apple has nothing to the likes of Superuser and never will.
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You just quote and quote, obviously you don't read, I don't have an iPhone 4s yet i have infuse 4g, i am on the edge, next time read every post completely so people will even have a chance to may be think, your reply make sense. And SIRI is not an app now, you can't buy it on appstore if you have an iPhone 4, you need more knowledge about tech, obviously you are outdated
I looked around quickly to see if a thread like this had already been started. But I'm just on my phone and searched the the site for the Unicode and didn't find it. So here it is.
Its been out a week now but there is a major major bug with any idevice's TextEditor. Specifically with apples WebKit.
What this means is, if this text... And please see the warning above is rendered on any apple device, it closes the app..
سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ(I've put two spaces in the middle just in case)
So not believing it could be possible, I mean its like what 16 characters of unicode?! and I'll be honest I've never had a love of the iPhone or the smugness it can engender in people. (Not a total partisan I broke down and bought an iMac just last week so you know where I'm coming from)
I kinda sorta texted my brother who is an admitted ifan as he likes to call himself whilst simultaneously throwing it in a groupme chat of 15 people. Out of the 15 I think 4 had android phones everyone else had iPhones.
You can imagine my chagrin when everyone stopped talking.
So yeah like I said this is quick and dirty thread start. This is most definitely something that should be on the portal or xdatv. Just my opinion.
Link to the ArstechniCa article below
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/0...nd-ios-apps-with-string-of-arabic-characters/
Peace