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[Q] What does HTC's bootloader unlock mean for everyone?

Yesterday, HTCDev released the unlocker for our bootloader. I know this is beneficial only for those who hasn't unlocked their bootloader via the Revolutionary method.
But what does this mean for those who already has an unlocked bootloader? What's the difference? Are there advantages with this method over Revolutionary?

You lose your warrenty and recovery. You both get with the revolutionary method.
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pr0x2 said:
You lose your warrenty and recovery. You both get with the revolutionary method.
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With Revolutionary you don't lose your warranty? I didn't know that. I thought you lose both either way.

It's not that you don't lose your warranty. It's just that HTC won't be able to tell you've S-OFF'd it as you can go back to 100% stock before sending it into HTC
Using the official method they have a note of your serial number so will know you've unlocked it

EddyOS said:
It's not that you don't lose your warranty. It's just that HTC won't be able to tell you've S-OFF'd it as you can go back to 100% stock before sending it into HTC
Using the official method they have a note of your serial number so will know you've unlocked it
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Ahhh! Thanks for the clarification!

Probably a dumb question, but why do you lose Recovery when going S-off via that HTC route?

Ozam said:
Probably a dumb question, but why do you lose Recovery when going S-off via that HTC route?
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Well you get the normal HTC recovery. With revolutionary option you get the clockwork mod recovery that can do many many amazing things like flashing new roms.

Ics firmware, outdated use Mike's latest release.

Here is the ics firmware from the leaked ics Ruu. Big thanks to rcteam. Ruu is a beta release so flash this at your own risk.
Rename to pg58img. This firmware is missing system and recovery.IMG, but will update the other partitions. Once flash restore nand or reflash Rom once update is complete.
http://db.tt/HMWF5RaX
Edit: So I downloaded this package to make sure that it works and is not corrupted. It is not corrupted.
Here is a md5 you can use to make sure that yours is not corrupted either.(believe it should be for all other downloads)
md5 checksum: 147CBA54E2B4756B5CA76AD8B0350CE3
after flashing read third post down.
While flashing the pg58img and you get a model wrong id in the middle of flashing you need to supercid. Link to supercid. Someone in mikes thread reported that you can supercid while in hboot 1.20.xxxx
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Thread to mikes thread if you experience in problems, trouble, or to report feedback.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412618
Another note, difference between hboot.
1.20.xxxx, 1.19.xxxx, 1.18.xxxx will have locked at the top, to unlock you can htcdec unlock it. There is no performance difference between any of the hboot including eng hboot 1.17 shipped or revolutionary. As mike stated most user will be fine with hboot 1.18.xxxx-1.20.xxxx as they do not use fastboot write commands and they can just flash through pg58img files.
But for others if you want fastboot commands you can flash eng hboot back 1.17.xxxx
Link to ziggy's post if you want to eng hboot (1.17.xxxx) back
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20681060&postcount=22
After flashing, dzdata will delete userdata so you will have to reflash rom or nand backup. YOU WILL STAY S-OFF FROM FLASHING THIS AND ANY OTHER HBOOT!!!!! This has been stated many times in numerous thread and I believe everybody is getting tired of answering this.
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They already released the RUU themselves here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1408961.
So not sure what you posted?

Side note. Hboot will say locked. If you don't like it just reflash eng hboot. And you will stay s-off.
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the_scotsman said:
They already released the RUU themselves here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1408961.
So not sure what you posted?
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It's not the ruu. It's the firmware inside for those who don't want to go through the process. And this won't upgrade the system partition or recovery.
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d3vilskid said:
It's not the ruu. It's the firmware inside for those who don't want to go through the process. And this won't upgrade the system partition or recovery. So plz read my post again.
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Ahhhh ok...so what exactly will it update? hboot?

the_scotsman said:
Ahhhh ok...so what exactly will it update? hboot?
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Hboot radio,adsp,rpm etc. There's more but I can't remember the names of it.
Well I guess general section is best for this lol.
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So who's game enough to brick their s4g on chrissy day ?

Flashmore said:
So who's game enough to brick their s4g on chrissy day ?
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Lol I'm really tempted to flash this.
d3vilskid said:
Side note. Hboot will say locked. If you don't like it just reflash eng hboot. And you will stay s-off.
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By "reflash eng hboot" do you mean run Revolutionary again?
Since s-off stays (right?), are there any disadvantages to keeping the updated hboot and just unlocking it via htcdev? Or is that even possible? I wanted to try the new radio, but I read that it's unstable unless you keep the hboot.

Ok considering people May have bricked their device in the other thread....anyone successful in flashing this let us know....I'm not going to risk it until I know It's safe
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Heh. This thread and one of the other reaction threads to Steve007's firmware zip really made me do some searching and learn a bit more about the different kinds of bootloaders. That said, all of a sudden I'm not so brave to flash this right away lol.
Sucks what happened with the other firmware package though. Really bad timing.

Flashmore said:
So who's game enough to brick their s4g on chrissy day ?
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i just did that yesterday and it worked
only difference that i flashed the rom.zip extracted from the ruu
i deleted the recovery image incase the new hboot locks the phone again
i then restored my backup and voila
the weird thing is my bootloader says 1.20 and unlocked at the top !!! any ideas
i didnt try flashing another hboot as i would like to keep the newer radio which is a little better than old 10.58
other than that ICS works way better with it`s own firmware

This bricked my S4G last night. Steve's zip may have been bad.

Sdobron said:
This bricked my S4G last night. Steve's zip may have been bad.
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Oh no, complete brick you haven't been able to recover ?
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Steve's thread has been removed as it caused a few bricks apparently.

vincepg13 said:
Oh no, complete brick you haven't been able to recover ?
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It needs Qualcomm QPST or a Jtag to recover. I'm exchanging it through T-Mo for warranty. I think he posted a corrupt file with MD5 sums, so I verified MD5 sums match to a corrupt file and flashed, leaving me with a paperweight that won't even turn on.

Flashed it last night, i knew at the time i should have removed splash1.nb0 as my custom splash with "property of ....... my email, brothers phone no was replaced by stock HTC splash
RCMix ICS rom definitely running better with this, did the HTC dev unlock but couldn't get fastboot to flash my custom splash so used PG58IMG to go back to older hboot, everything seems fine with old hboot and new radio

Flashing firmware from anything other than a release RUU is just asking for a brick. I couldn't advise more strongly against it unless you're already considering buying yourself a new device and need a potential excuse.

rmk40 said:
Flashing firmware from anything other than a release RUU is just asking for a brick. I couldn't advise more strongly against it unless you're already considering buying yourself a new device and need a potential excuse.
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YUP,Listen to that guy.I learned that the hard way.As i sit here looking at my $500 paper weight I wish i waited for feedback before i flashed the zip
EDIT: Just to be clear i didn't flash the zip posted in this thread.It was another firmware file posted by someone else in the dev section.

rawrfische said:
Lol I'm really tempted to flash this.
By "reflash eng hboot" do you mean run Revolutionary again?
Since s-off stays (right?), are there any disadvantages to keeping the updated hboot and just unlocking it via htcdev? Or is that even possible? I wanted to try the new radio, but I read that it's unstable unless you keep the hboot.
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only disadvantage is losing fastboot commands. flash hboot 1.17 through bootloader like how you would flash this package. Since all the partitions are updated you should be fine in running any hboot with the newest radio.

rmk40 said:
Flashing firmware from anything other than a release RUU is just asking for a brick. I couldn't advise more strongly against it unless you're already considering buying yourself a new device and need a potential excuse.
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Thats why i said its a beta ruu and flash at your own risk. But anywho im going to download this and flash it to my device to make sure that it works, since i done it before i upload it to here.

[Q] Back to stock for OTA updates with SuperCID ?

First thing's first - I'm definitely not a newb.
My phone (Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA) is depended upon for work and person use. I've been playing with a lot of custom ROMs and each and every one of them has their own little quirks.
Because of this I have seriously considered going back to stock, but I want to be sure that I can receive OTA updates.
I realize that I can get everything back to stock via RUU, HOWEVER, with SuperCID in place, would I still be able to receive OTA updates? I've read that the RUU doesn't replace the SuperCID with the shipped value.
If not, how would I get the SuperCID back to the original value (which unfortunately I don't have - phone was bought used and already rooted) ?
Thanks so much!

You can get the OTA with superCID the RUU will unroot your phone and reinstall the stock recovery. You will need the stock recovery or you could Brock your phone
If you want to be on the safe side and rewrite your cid do the steps you did to get superCID but instead of 11111111 put T-MOB010 That should get you back on track
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Sinistra425 said:
You can get the OTA with superCID the RUU will unroot your phone and reinstall the stock recovery. You will need the stock recovery or you could Brock your phone
If you want to be on the safe side and rewrite your cid do the steps you did to get superCID but instead of 11111111 put T-MOB010 That should get you back on track
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So, by flashing the RUU it won't replace the 4EXT recovery with the factory one?

JWhipple said:
So, by flashing the RUU it won't replace the 4EXT recovery with the factory one?
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Yes it will!

Yes it willow replace the 4EXT with the stock recovery I have recently have taken my sensation 4g back to stock with the ruin and it reinstalls everything from firmware to recovery
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JWhipple said:
So, by flashing the RUU it won't replace the 4EXT recovery with the factory one?
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The RUU will unroot your phone and reinstall the stock recovery

Sinistra425 said:
Yes it willow replace the 4EXT with the stock recovery I have recently have taken my sensation 4g back to stock with the ruin and it reinstalls everything from firmware to recovery
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What about the cid??
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No cid will stay the same but that has nothing to do with how your phone runs that just allows you to install the ics custom rom because of the firmware updates needed to run them
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Sinistra425 said:
No cid will stay the same but that has nothing to do with how your phone runs that just allows you to install the ics custom rom because of the firmware updates needed to run them
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I'm thinking if I need to use warranty?
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Can you claim warranty with superCID in placE?

SensationX1 said:
Can you claim warranty with superCID in placE?
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you could.. but since you can easily rewrite your cid, why worry?

after u flash stock rom
1. Super CID will remain
2. S-off still remain
I can download OTA from server but after download finish it will not install with the error about variant system (means we modified software).

anardjai said:
after u flash stock rom
1. Super CID will remain
2. S-off still remain
I can download OTA from server but after download finish it will not install with the error about variant system (means we modified software).
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Are you sure for this? From what I know IF you install stock ROM from RUU, it will automatically unroot the phone, get back to S-On and of course replace your bootloader with the original one. However to be honest I don't know what happens if you install stock from clockwork recovery - maybe that way the bootloader will not be replaced and you will still have S-Off and root.
TO JWhipple: The Super CID shouldn't matter for RUU. However you could always change it back to your phone/operator version before installing RUU.

@up: not in Sensation. After installing stock with RUU, S-OFF will remain still. To get S-ON back follow this guide. I'm sure, tested on my own Sensation

What would be the right order to go with:
Do you start with changing the SuperCID back to the original one forst or would you first have to go back to S-ON?

SIMPLY TELL ME ONE THING
that can we have official update after installing the latest ruu with s-on and unroot but with super cid?????
thanks
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installing stock ruu doesnt change the phone to s-on or unroot.......but see the guide to do s-on then u might get the official updates

The ruu simply changes your rom to stock unrooted, changes radio, recovery and hboot. It doesn't change stuff like cid and s-off. In theory you can get ota updates with supercid and s-off. The only thing required, would be the stock recovery
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hello how r u ?
seems u got allot exp. in this i try to get back to my stock ruu rom after installing ginger bread arhd and pg53img 3.12 it stops and say error 155 what should i do to get back to stock

dexter93 said:
The ruu simply changes your rom to stock unrooted, changes radio, recovery and hboot. It doesn't change stuff like cid and s-off. In theory you can get ota updates with supercid and s-off. The only thing required, would be the stock recovery
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Quick question, a few guides to going back to stock Sensation point or that you have to downgrade the firmware and radio. Is downgrading the radio (and firmware for that matter) necessary before flashing stock ROM with RUU? I did it with the last sensation before sending it in for warranty replacement, but only because the guide suggested it. But next time I wouldn't do it if I don't have to. Thanks ahead.

serega12 said:
Quick question, a few guides to going back to stock Sensation point or that you have to downgrade the firmware and radio. Is downgrading the radio (and firmware for that matter) necessary before flashing stock ROM with RUU? I did it with the last sensation before sending it in for warranty replacement, but only because the guide suggested it. But next time I wouldn't do it if I don't have to. Thanks ahead.
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No it is not necessary. It will be required only if your device is S-ON and RUU version is older. Just remeber that if your phone is S-OFF and you want to put it S-ON again, do that after you have flashed stock ROM.

[Q] hboot 1.23

Hello, I'm on hboot 1.23 but s-on, I just want to know because somebody mentioned it before, an I actually stuck here? Literally forever? Because hboot 1.23 cannot flash other firmware files or any advanced fastboot commands.

sensation lover said:
Hello, I'm on hboot 1.23 but s-on, I just want to know because somebody mentioned it before, an I actually stuck here? Literally forever? Because hboot 1.23 cannot flash other firmware files or any advanced fastboot commands.
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I wrote a load of stuff then re-read the OP.
Ahh S-ON, eek.
As Revolutionary won't work, can you use the HTC method to get S-OFF ?
If you can then do the PG58IMG.zip files work from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
I flashed 1.27.1100 over 1.23.0000, then again I was S-OFF.

HTC method to s-off? Never heard of it.

sensation lover said:
HTC method to s-off? Never heard of it.
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Because it doesn't exist.
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But unlocking the bootloader via HTC might help

Rhiannon224 said:
Because it doesn't exist.
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OK Sorry wrong terminology, I was referring to: http://htcdev.com/bootloader
I know many folks have used the HTC unlock method, I don't know what the limitations with it are as I used Revolutionary. My thoughts were can you use the HTC Unlock process then flash the F/W using PB58IMG.zip back to 1.17 the use revolutionary to get full S-OFF. I don't know if that's possible but ......
I know they keep a record that you've used it on your phone.

no, that doesn't give you s-off, it just unlocks your bootloader, but thanks for trying!

EddyOS said:
But unlocking the bootloader via HTC might help
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It will not, it still leaves you s off, meaning you can't flash radios, firmwares, etc.
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Rhiannon224 said:
It will not, it still leaves you s off, meaning you can't flash radios, firmwares, etc.
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Ahh, it was just a thought. I guess 1.23 S-ON is on his phone for a while then :-(

I'm guessing its on till revolutionary updates.....if it ever does.

sensation lover said:
I'm guessing its on till revolutionary updates.....if it ever does.
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Either that or a new release RUU with hboot higher than 1.23, such as an official ICS RUU that will hopefully be released in March. The test RUUs that are currently available don't work - see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22500215&postcount=24

gol_n_dal said:
I wrote a load of stuff then re-read the OP.
Ahh S-ON, eek.
As Revolutionary won't work, can you use the HTC method to get S-OFF ?
If you can then do the PG58IMG.zip files work from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
I flashed 1.27.1100 over 1.23.0000, then again I was S-OFF.
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*Edit* Never mind... I guess after getting SuperCid it worked.
How did you flash to 1.27.1100? I have been trying to get my firmware updated so I can get ICS on my Sensation but it keeps giving me the "remote: not allowed" error. I have S-Off.

redblade said:
*Edit* Never mind... I guess after getting SuperCid it worked.
How did you flash to 1.27.1100? I have been trying to get my firmware updated so I can get ICS on my Sensation but it keeps giving me the "remote: not allowed" error. I have S-Off.
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Flash the firmware from Mike's sticky. 3.24/3.25 gives hboot 1.27.1100, but I think this version is included with later fw releases too.
Does the remote: not allowed error appear in bootloader, relating to a particular part of the fw update - e.g. radio?
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[Q] root + official ics = bootproblem HELP!

i have unlocked my htc sensation XE on htcdev.com then has it been rooted and i have installed cwm but then have i installed the original ics update and now stops the bootsreen at the htc logo on the white background without the "quietly brilliant". i have already been searching in many forums and i know i should install another rom through bootloader but if i try this it fails every time i try it, so does anyone know how i can install a different rom through bootloader?
the bootloader is unlocked, s-on, and the hboot version is 1.18.0000 .

You have the wrong hboot version. You need to update to 3.32 you can find it on this thread.

Yet another example of why you don't flash an OTA file over a rooted ROM. I wonder how many more we'll get before people get the picture...

i need hboot version 3.32? do you have the link? because i can´t find it here.

check my signature.
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EddyOS said:
Yet another example of why you don't flash an OTA file over a rooted ROM. I wonder how many more we'll get before people get the picture...
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so do you know any way to undo this?

Flash the RUU for your phone
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EddyOS said:
Flash the RUU for your phone
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i have tried this already but if i try it on my computer using htc sync: it doesnt work and the same with adb drivers. i get always error 155: unknown error and if i try flashing it with bootloader it happens nothing: its loading and then, it happens nothing.

The problem was not from flashing the OTA to a rooted device. The problem was flashing the OTA without the stock recovery. You need to flash the proper RUU for your device. Who's your carrier, and what RUU are you trying to flash?

GROGG88 said:
The problem was not from flashing the OTA to a rooted device. The problem was flashing the OTA without the stock recovery. You need to flash the proper RUU for your device. Who's your carrier, and what RUU are you trying to flash?
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i tried to flash the ruu with ics for the htc sensation xe. would it help if i try to install the last ruu with gingerbread? and what do you mean with "carrier"? sorry but my english isnt very well...

Carrier means what company gives you calls, texts etc.
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e-plus (mymtvmobile), i was trying to flash the ics ruu for htc sensation xe with android 4.0.3 and sense 3.6