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[Q] question about the 10 post for new member.

i wonder if these 10 post include reply to thead? or should i post 10 new thead?

i still cant submit post in developers , stupid rules...

ma20at said:
i still cant submit post in developers , stupid rules...
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Can we just say something to have 10 post? I really need to ask the developer

ya same thing happen with me.
they should change rules for noobs.

EdwardT said:
Can we just say something to have 10 post? I really need to ask the developer
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The same...

I'm also part of this new member minimum. I have been able to post before but had to change my account so now I'm stuck having to wait 10 posts before posting in the Dev section.

You started off well by posting your question here, but I see that the majority of you just want to 'ask a developer' something.
Questions do not belong in Development forums. Period.
Many of the site's Developers come into Q&A regularly specifically to answer your questions.
If your question is specific to a single device, ask it in the Q&A forum for that device, not in the Development section itself. You stand a much better chance of getting a proper answer (and not getting flamed) if you ask your questions in here.
You are welcome to post your questions in this thread, and I will provide whatever help I can, or point you in the right direction. There is so much information available here that there's a good chance your questions have been answered many times over already.
We all need to do our little bit to keep the material in Development sections clear and concise, regardless of what we see others doing
Cheers!

ma20at said:
i wonder if these 10 post include reply to thead? or should i post 10 new thead?
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10 genuine posts, not threads

how do i thank someone when i dont see a button?

Ah well I figured it out
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I dont like the10 post rule..i have an issue i need to get sorted and dont wanna run around posting in random things so i can post in the specific thread :S

We are all treated as babies and we must prove ourselves
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Moreover we should not rush. We must wait 5 minutes between post

I think posts on threads count too. New threads are referred to as "Topics" on this site =S
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I too think is kinda sucks to have to post 10x first but rules are rules. Been flashing for months now mainly Darky's but now switch about once a week.

I particularly enjoy this 10 post start up. It puts a pressure on people that don't belong to leave. I just bought a Skyrocket moving over to android from my iPhone 3GS and I've found this site incredibly efficient.

Its understandable don't want PPL running up the Dev sections with question anyway answered
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Already answered.....
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i don't like this rule too

That thing is weird...

I have an 8 post shortfall and want to contact a developer with what will be a common question, so I have to send a PM when a reply would be much more effective.
Suggested alternative:
- Restrict 'New topic' function to those with > 10 posts
- Allow thread starters to moderate their thread.

[Q] Should we do something like this?????

Ok so been searching around the forums and found there seems to be a few devs/rom devs that use this on the second or third post.....
List of Shame (Flagged Users)
These are the list of users who asked questions without properly reading the OP. It's a waste of space and a waste of time to read it. Read OP twice. Think twice. and Think again before posting. If you don't, you'll end up here and will no longer get the support you're looking from me and of course, it will be a big shame for you.
offender Names + offences Ie : op states Wifi does not work User X brings up wifi does not work.
Not sure where credit is actually due but could help to avoid a lot of drama.....

I LOVE this idea! Not sure if it's any kind of infringement on forum rules or not, but could be a great "checks and balance" for n00obs and others to think twice before posting...
Edit: I think we (you) should post a thread in the General Section, so as for all to see! Also, as mentioned below, create a set of "Rules of Redemption" for listees to have a chance to be removed.
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Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Oh this is awesome!!! I like the idea, but you should expand this for everyone, not just yourself to not give support to those list of users on this, list.
there should also be a way off the bad boy list too, not sure how at the moment, but there has to be a way to redeem oneself like maybe a three strikes or something to actually get on the list and then there is no getting off, but the first and second time(s) you get a chance to redeem yourself and can still get off this list maybe..

devilhunter47 said:
Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Think this would be more to make users read and research a little more..... If they end up on the list and ask something down the road if it is relevant we will not shun them atleast me.....
@ Jim yea some type of balance system to keep things in check would be the way to go..... Someone on with 1 post on a list could say get a warning or whatever they end up repeat offenders then take action.....

How about the multiple section tags feature? This will act as keyword for searching. E.g. http://stackoverflow.com like meta tags....fixed tags for each section can only created by reputed members only.
I said so as we have auto suggestion for similar questions is already there.
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Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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Well we could throw around some ideas and see what would be a fair way to work something like this.....

Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.

For each first time offender, a link to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857631[GUIDE] How To Be A New Member, Not A N00B (?) and a "written warning" with the expressed intent to add them to the 'black list' if found in contempt again...
Edit: hankbizzo5, and you might PM prbassplayer and see about getting him on board with this. If others can't read the rules (as listed by YOU) and post an offender in the thread and neglect to send said offender to you via PM, then you can have that post linked to their offense, assuming it's their first and in "written warning" with form.
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I will let this run for a few and gather as much info and oppinions as I can..... then will post up a (Bad boys list).....

Suggestions:
Rules, first and foremost- infractions of offenders to include, but not limited to:
Any member found posting in wrong sections and/or posting a new thread unnecessarily or a re-posting of similar thread(s).
Apparent and blatant failure to search before posting
Posting incorrect or bogus information
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
Posting Warez or other solicitations for gain/profit/personal advantage
Spamming the boards
Not using or posting in English
Posting/bumping one's own threads repeatedly for quicker responses
Using other's work(s) without permission(s)
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
Asking for donations
(Basically, all the "normal" and expected forum rules to adhere to and observe)
Disciplinary Actions:
1st offense = "written warning" with in your (hankbizzo5) OP along with link of infraction and brief description
2nd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 15 days
3rd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 30 days
4th offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list permanently
Rules of Redemption:
1st time offenders = provide 3 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
2nd time offenders = provide 5 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
3rd time offenders = provide 10 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
4th time offenders= you're out of luck
Feel free to tweak/add/omit/etc
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jimbridgman said:
Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.
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And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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leifemagnuson said:
Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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I agree wholeheartedly with a q&a section.
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Wow. I understand the intent behind all this, and if people have the time/energy to track it all, more power to you. I understand the frustration behind this effort, but I think it does more to quell free exchange of information than promote it. However, here's my two comments...
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
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You may need to break this one out more. Flaming and Trolling are usually obvious, but I've seen some posts by all parties devolve into abusive and intolerant responses.
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
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Not sure about this one. Not everyone is clear and concise.

smgulsby said:
And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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The "jury" might be a selection of Senior Members and Developers who could review the infractions. Let's face it, the rules are simple, and those breaking them are easy to spot. No need for "innocent until prove that guilty" with most of these kind of things...
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So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general or if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Well, it's all still sort of being fleshed out at the moment. Not even sure if we'll commit to such a thread, but if so those on the 'permanent' list don't necessarily get completely alienated, but there should be NO REASON for anyone to even get there. It's more a "boilerplate" consequence which should see no members find themselves there. As far as not allowing members to post in certain threads as result of their rule breaking, we don't have that type of authority nor should we want it. It's more like a "stockade", if you will, to keep everyone from fugging up; and if they do its right there for everyone to see. Nobody likes to be humiliated, and I doubt there will be much more than written reprimand actions being given anyhow. I don't know, hankbizzo5 says he's seen this done elsewhere, and chances are its 'quelled' no free exchange of information. Those that ended up on the lists elsewhere obviously said or did something stupid. I wouldn't consider that type of information exchange valued or important. Who knows, still in the bouncing around ideas and thoughts stages...
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Pretty much anyone can still do what they like, and it will still be up to anyone or everyone to do what they want. If you would like to follow the method on putting those on the so called bad boy list on your ignore list, is again up to you to do. These users can still post and do anything they want on xda, it is up to individual users to decide how they really want to take part or not in this. I am thinking for me that anyone who ends up on the permanent list would end up on my ignore list and anyone on the other lists would just be more like a slap on the hand would still get full support unless the really pushed it and ended up on the permanent list, which then again it is up to you to ignore or not.
That is just my take on it.

This seems puerile.

Of course this is all based whether we as users agree to said scenarios. My first paragraph could have been clearer I guess. Over all I like the idea. I think I prefer apex's 4th offence along with the redemption policy.
My thoughts on keeping this from being stickied. I, like I bet most of you don't always check the stickies when on tapatalk. I much prefer the bump system for this type of thing with links in op's and signatures.
Edit: Has anyone seen or read "A boy and his dog"? Who is the committee?
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Possible solution to non dev posts in dev threads

Would there be any way to have a special membership level in the forum privileges that allows posting in the dev forums, this would force people I.E. general users with questions to read and discover the Q&A forums. To get said privileges someone should simply have to request and agree not to break those rules. Good idea?
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GinkgoBiloba said:
Would there be any way to have a special membership level in the forum privileges that allows posting in the dev forums, this would force people I.E. general users with questions to read and discover the Q&A forums. To get said privileges someone should simply have to request and agree not to break those rules. Good idea?
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No. Bad idea.
The Dev forums should be locked to anyone who doesn't have special status on XDA (e.g. Devs, RCs, RTs etc). For a 'normal' user to be able to post in the Dev forum they should have to be invited and approved by the Devs - and that right could be rescinded at any time.
That would have the secondary benefit of stopping the people who continually post useless cr4p just to get their post count up to 10

SimonTS said:
No. Bad idea.
The Dev forums should be locked to anyone who doesn't have special status on XDA (e.g. Devs, RCs, RTs etc). For a 'normal' user to be able to post in the Dev forum they should have to be invited and approved by the Devs - and that right could be rescinded at any time.
That would have the secondary benefit of stopping the people who continually post useless cr4p just to get their post count up to 10
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I agree... To a point, the problem is to get RD ir RC you have to post guides or dev work... Which normally should go in the development section.
It really is a hard one and nothing will ever please all
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I'm not so sure that an invite system would be neccesary... just have a simple I agree site that gives access to the dev forums and the halfwits who go through that just to post where they shouldn't could then be banned and do everyone in these forums a favor!
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GinkgoBiloba said:
I'm not so sure that an invite system would be neccesary... just have a simple I agree site that gives access to the dev forums and the halfwits who go through that just to post where they shouldn't could then be banned and do everyone in these forums a favor!
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Umm, if you would propose that everyone who doesnt post in the correct section should be banned, then OP, you are kinda
stepping on your own feet...
As this thread belongs in About XDA...
As stated before, there doesn't seem to be a "one rule pleases all" compromise...
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I agree... To a point, the problem is to get RD ir RC you have to post guides or dev work... Which normally should go in the development section.
It really is a hard one and nothing will ever please all
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Well, for RC, you don't *necessarily* need to create threads, and that too, in the dev section...
Afaik, guides belong to the general section, but there are also accepted in the dev section if it is directly related to development, or is there to prevent non-dev posts in dev area...
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Yeah I can appreciate your sentiment but it's not a workable solution. Honestly I don't even think there's a problem, the mods are on their game and the 10 post rule helped weed out some people.

orangekid said:
Yeah I can appreciate your sentiment but it's not a workable solution. Honestly I don't even think there's a problem, the mods are on their game and the 10 post rule helped weed out some people.
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Actually, there must be something to keep them out of OT too, as n00bs come there frequently to increase their post count. I told two of them off today and I got ripped off for being a "party pooper". Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother.
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I just think if its important enough to keep the dev posts clean that they will lock them and then we get all the posts *****ing about misposts (worse then the mispost itself) then why not try something a little more locked down... why would a user like myself need access to post in a dev forum for?
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GinkgoBiloba said:
I just think if its important enough to keep the dev posts clean that they will lock them and then we get all the posts *****ing about misposts (worse then the mispost itself) then why not try something a little more locked down... why would a user like myself need access to post in a dev forum for?
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If you had frequent SODs you could up a logcat, it's very basic stuff and could potentially help the dev out.
Good ideas are always good, and i frequent the HD2 and Galaxy Nexus forums quite a bit, 2 of the busier dev forums, and don't really see problems with this.
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Post Limitation in Dev Fourm

Not sure what the signifance is of imposing a 10 post limitation in the dev forum. I could have easily answered someone's questions but I'm unable to do so because I do not have 10 posts. Kind of odd... I wouldn't want to spam 10 threads/posts within a few minutes just so I can post in the dev forum

yantastic said:
Not sure what the signifance is of imposing a 10 post limitation in the dev forum. I could have easily answered someone's questions but I'm unable to do so because I do not have 10 posts. Kind of odd... I wouldn't want to spam 10 threads/posts within a few minutes just so I can post in the dev forum
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For a sane person like you. There are 99 clue less newbie's. So you get the idea why it's a rule.
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cricketAC said:
For a sane person like you. There are 99 clue less newbie's. So you get the idea why it's a rule.
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Lmao
We are all insane waiting for cm10 to drop.
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Instead of spamming you can still answer questions in other places to get your post count up fast.
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Yeah I didn't really get the point of the 10 post requirement, although I don't know enough about tech to actually post anything that wouldn't annoy the devs. And a day ago someone with ~170 posts was a complete amateur at forum etiquette, he asked the same question 3 or 4 times over two days in 2 different sections, neither being the proper place to ask questions.

If your under ten count and think you can help, you could PM that user.
That's what I did when I started.
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I think this rule is rather silly. Maybe I haven't seen the inordinate amounts of spam that could result because I've got a rather limited focus on these forums, but I'd think that most people willing to post in the dev section are probably going to provide something to it.

I read the forums here for over a year before I ever signed up for an account. I had been flashing the whole time, so I had stuff to contribute. Anyway, do like I did and hit up the Q&A sections and see if there's anyone you can help. If not, join in on a conversation where people are just offering their opinion. 10 posts will fly by.
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calebjhamby said:
I read the forums here for over a year before I ever signed up for an account. I had been flashing the whole time, so I had stuff to contribute. Anyway, do like I did and hit up the Q&A sections and see if there's anyone you can help. If not, join in on a conversation where people are just offering their opinion. 10 posts will fly by.
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Same here.
I couldn't register because at the time i was using my mobile hotspot. XDA security policy don't let you sign up on cellular networks!
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I guess I can understand why they do it but it still sucks for people that would benefit from being able to post in the developer section right away.

The 10 post limit was introduced to cut down on the number of useless threads & questions created in that section. As a result there is around 90% less created threads that get moved or deleted from these sections. Unfortunately the 10% of new users that wish to post there with legitimate reasons have to wait.
Its the way it is going to remain I'm afraid.
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Why the heck can't I post in the dev section yet?!?!

I've post way more than 10 post and have been here about two weeks? So what the heck Xda?
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Braxton355 said:
I've post way more than 10 post and have been here about two weeks? So what the heck Xda?
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Because you clearly are not ready for XDA...
There is a script that checks every hour, its possible you have been missed for some reason, a simple PM to a Moderator or forum staff would have been a much better solution than creating this thread

I had to wait for my 12th post before it let me in the developer section

First Learn Some manners & atticates while writing any Thread. If you are ready then XDA isn't ready for accepting you.
Just check how you are reacting. You n00b.
If you have very useful things for Dev then PM them or Use General threads. Help someone who are in actually need then making this kinda thread.
Read Rules of XDA first then Post next time.

Simple you don't qualify...

kataria.vikesh said:
First Learn Some manners & atticates while writing any Thread. If you are ready then XDA isn't ready for accepting you.
Just check how you are reacting. You n00b.
If you have very useful things for Dev then PM them or Use General threads. Help someone who are in actually need then making this kinda thread.
Read Rules of XDA first then Post next time.
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I'm not a noob lol? I know basic things to android such as porting and things but it's a little frustrating. Besides I have waited a while and I have things to say. That the devs may like to know. But like I said it's frustrating when you can't even say anything. Also you are correct saying I'm a noob when it comes to xda. I've been plenty of other places. This thread wasn't meant to make anyone angry. All you guys have to do is simply ignore it. Easy as that.
I never meant to upset anyone.
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Going to close this. OP if you can't post then feel free to PM one of us moderators and we will take a look at it.