So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?
Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.
The answer is almost everything.
Windows Phone is as similar to Windows Mobile as the iPad is to the Apple Newton
Ireyn said:
Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.
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Windows mobile is more close to the android experience. With that i mean - battery life varies highly between each. HTC sense is found on windows mobile that are htc's which android also has. multiple hardware buttons. Applications can have root access and effect the whole phone. Multiple roms available that are custom built
Windows phone is closer to the Iphone only in terms like ease of use and smoothness. It however is very different from the Iphone. Like the iphone, things are more sand boxed. An application cannot bring the whole phone down. Security is high and malware on both iphone and windows phone is non existant. Windows phone uses live tiles that scroll vertically and flip and move to show information without actually opening the app. Iphone scrolls horizontally in grids of icons that are small and do not show extra information.
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So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?
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In one word?
Metro.
When I wanted to know more about Windows Phone 7, I watched some videos, but then went into the Verizon phone store and tired the Trophy... and loved it. Bought one the very next day.
There is no "official" backwards compatibility with WM 6.x apps... but DFT is working on a full blown WM 6.x series emulator that might allow for those apps to work.
As far as experience, I won't touch an iPhone for moral reasons... but compared to Android, Windows Phone 7's experience is much smoother and much better on batteries in general. Windows Phone 7 runs smooth as silk (especially since most phones aren't duel+ core and full of power hogging hardware).. and I just love the experience.
The only REAL downside I can find is no Swype keyboard, but I've dealt with it since voice input works very well (for me).
I think the biggest factor about seeing the demo phone in person... was figuring out all the major functions of the phone on my own in less then 10 mins. A few things aren't obvious, but now I think about how to use phones differently with Windows Phone 7 (like holding stuff and seeing if options pop-up, or pressing ... for more options on some screens).
Definatly as stated watch some videos. You won't see live tiles on the demo phones doing much because they do not have live accounts attached to them. You miss 25% of the experience when demoing in a store.
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Hi People,
Here is an extract from smartphone mag that has some bad news in it, It seems M$ is starting a fresh and non of your programs will run on WM7. Plus there will be no updates for any current phones, so I dont see much prospects for cooking WM7 that will be of any use for us. Anyway I shall let you read it yourself
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Web Guide: Windows Phone 7 Won’t Run Old Apps, Won’t Work on Current Phones
Shocking news this past week about the forthcoming Windows Phone 7 Series. Not only will it not run current apps, but also current phones such as the forthcoming HTC HD2 from T-Mobile may not be upgradeable. This week, I'll point you to more information about this, as well as additional detail about Windows Phone 7 and videos of this software in action.
Current Phones Won't Run Windows Phone 7
windows Phone 7 Series Won't Run Current Apps
The other bit of news was somewhat expected, but still something of a shock: none of your current software will work on a Windows Phone 7 device. According to a post by a Microsoft executive, making a clean break from the past will allow the new phones to be as powerful and user-friendly as possible.
What does that mean? That the developers will need to rewrite their software to work on the new phones. The exec did say that Microsoft will continue to work with partners who plan to deliver Windows Mobile 6.5 devices, and that it will continue to support these products.
The big question is, Will developers bother to rewrite their software? Given that so much of the smartphone action is in the Android and iPhone arenas, they may simply choose to focus on those platforms rather than rewrite their software for Windows Phone 7. An indication of the declining interest in Microsoft's platform may be the recent announcement by Skype that they were pulling their Windows Mobile version of Skype and have ceased development of it.
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After a lot of unsuccessful searching, i figured i would try here.
Why does it always seem like every app offered is for iPod and Android phones only? Everywhere i go. Available for iPod, Android, and MAYBE BlackBerry. It occurs mainly with popular websites "Now Available As An App!". I don't understand why... Can someone shed a little light on the matter please.
It's because these devices have a different interface (small screen, touch operated), a specialized app as opposed to a full-blown website can offer a more streamlined service.
And now i am seeing that IMO.IM has an app for iPod, iPad, Android, Blackberry, or Nokia! Really? That is almost like going out of their way to not be on windows. In a way, i am glad because this was kind of what apple had gone through back in the windows vs mac days. But now i am on the losing end and i am pissed. Im still really considering getting an android over windows 7
WP7 is a relative newcomer and only has a very small market penetration. If you were hoping to make money off an app which platform would you code for first?
The main reason is C++ SDK! Currently Microsoft hasn't provided C/C++ SDK for Windows Phone 7. There are many apps for Windows mobile which aren't available for wp7. such as MS-DOS or Lingvosoft dictionary , etc.
If you can contact to developers recommend them to visit http://windowsphone.interoperabilitybridges.com/
I pray and hope that Microsoft provide a C/C++ SDK for WP7
Now that Windows 8 will support ARM and have a tablet touch interface, will it be possible for a company to make a Windows 8 phone? Just would need supported hardware buttons and ability to make calls and take a SIM card. Likely/unlikely?
This would be a boon for Windows Mobile users who will not have to wait for Windows Phone 9 for all their old features to come back. In fact they would have something more powerful by a long way than any phone ever made.
(Of course some people claim Windows Phone 7 will be based on Windows 8 anyway... but even if it is it may be limited in important ways.)
you won't like a phone based on a desktop ui.
sorry, but the mouse is antiquated.
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you won't like a phone based on a desktop ui.
sorry, but the mouse is antiquated.
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Windows 8 has an optional tablet UI than does not require a mouse to do anything.
I think it will eventually be the same OS on your PC, Tablet & Phone yes. PC & Tablet are in Windows 8, and maybe not WP8 but perhaps the next one will be the same OS with a layout for the phone like you see now, and be dockable (like the Moto Atrix, only actually functional).
No need for WP8 as Windows 8 already has a touch based interface and the ability to turn off unneeded features automatically (not just programs but also under the hood operations), saving ressources and making it available on ARM powered devices.
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Now some more information is out.
It looks like Windows 8 will have phone calling in the Metro interface:
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20110918/windows-8-to-include-phone-calling-capability/
So Windows 8 (Metro) will be useable as-is as a phone system.
The issue may be hardware. Processor speed, memory, GPU will be fine, but the problem is the minimum resolution.
Windows 8 Metro apps require 1024x768 resolution:
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/ind...o-apps-require-1024-x-768-minimum-resolution/
For a phone 768 pixels on the smaller dimension is excessive. The Apple "Retina display" is 960x640 and Toshiba's upcoming(?) display is 1,280x720, still not enough:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385574,00.asp#fbid=I7vQ_5t19x6
So unless Windows 8 changes requirements (which seems quite likely to me) this will be the main problem.
When windows phone 8 comes out we have the best camera and other few changes lets hope wp8 will be awesome
Probably possible but I doubt it would ever be supported by major carriers.
Pros and cons of the new OS developed by Microsoft?
Why yes? Because it's based off of the Windows NT Hybrid kernel (though more monolithic in nature), so it utilizes a robust and secure system while maintaining speed and multitasking capabilities.
Why not? Well, you may already know. It's not compatible with legacy Windows software. Can only install apps through the Windows Market and even there you're limited. Only allows Flash on approved websites and isn't nearly adopted as either Android or iOS. It's definitely a great OS, but it's slow to be adopted by manufacturers. If it goes the way of WebOS, then you're stuck with the equivalent of a TouchPad.
Pros: none
Cons: it's microsoft
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So the only and main problem is on the Windows store? Do you think that this OS, in the future, will "level up" or will go down?
Pros: Comes with Office 2013, I've yet to see an office suite on Android that is desktop grade, but LibreOffice is coming eventually.
Cons: Can't run existing Windows programs, locked bootloader, upgrades to future versions of Windows unknown
Personally I'd pay a bit more for an Intel Windows 8 tablet if you want a windows tablet.
First off, it is silly that I cannot post a reply straight into the thread, and have to create a new thread in an unrelated area of the forums, as I am a new user (or have less than 10 posts).
Ok, as regards the Windows RT and lock down of the Desktop Applications development, how do the internal programs get past this block? As per many other comments it would appear that Windows RT is a recompilation of Windows 8 and has many like for like .dll's, etc. If the Office 2013 suite can run under the desktop, is it because Microsoft has signed the app with a certificate that is not available to other developers? Does this mean that under the previous EU ruling they are breaching some law in that they are using resources to give themselves an advantage that other developers cannot take advantage of?
I think the only reason they have locked down Windows RT like this is so that this cheap OS does not eat into their regular Windows 8 sales. Certainly I bought a Windows RT device because it is more compatible with my work habits (due to Office 2013) than the Android and iPads I have used in the past. If I could easily use tools like PuTTY, then there would be little reason for me to use a normal laptop or other device.
I doubt Microsoft really watches these discussions in any serious way, but one of the key reasons I chose Windows RT over Android and iPad is because when I need the flexibility of many windows open at the same time and side by side I can do that, but when I want the uncluttered quick environment then New UI does that as well.
Samsung, with Android, is starting to allow a couple apps together, but try to run an Excel Spreadsheet and read your banking web site at the same time to transpose the figures into your budgeting file, and iPad/Android are tedious but Windows RT is a breeze, it is what Windows does best. Microsoft should understand that apart from everything else they do, they provide an OS and should let developers get the most out of that OS, just like Android and iPad developers can push those OS's.
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What's more awesome is that new users can't post outside links either. This might be of interest to you www[dot]makeuseof[dot]com/tag/how-to-jailbreak-your-windows-rt-device-and-run-unapproved-desktop-software/
Thanks for the link
My post came as a result of researching the Jail Break idea, I had not seen that page yet. I downloaded the patch and it worked very well. Pity it does not detail why the program goes to the internet the first time it is run, but I assume it is to get the certificate?
Seems like most posters are really happy to have PuTTY working (which is exactly what I wanted). Is it hard to create a New UI App?, maybe someone just needs to compile PuTTY as a New UI app as a terminal emulator should be pretty straight forward.
While I understand that new Intel chips are just around the corner, Surface RT is only $400.00 (64Gb, Touch keyboard) so pretty cheap, so being able to sit on the couch and browse emails, internet and also manage my Linux boxes is really good.
I can do the same thing on my Android TAB, but it is tedious changing screens all the time. New UI has the same problem, always flicking between all the programs. This is what Windows does best, so don't understand why MS would take away from that tried and true model, except they are probably trying to protect their full Windows 8 investment. Instead what they will find is the Windows RT dies a quick death and that is a wasted investment (if that happens they should have just made a New UI only version and got Office to work within that environment if Office is the main reason for the Desktop in Windows RT).