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MW vs WP7, What is the difference?

So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?

Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.

The answer is almost everything.
Windows Phone is as similar to Windows Mobile as the iPad is to the Apple Newton

Ireyn said:
Everything. There are no points of commonality between the two in the developer or user experiences. The Windows Phone 7 experience is more closely related to the experiences on iOS or Android than on Windows Mobile.
This is mostly because Windows Mobile is a mobile operating system which debuted on Pocket PC's (remember those?) in 2000, predating iOS by seven years. Windows Phone 7, on the other hand debuted less than 18 months ago, meant to compete directly with iOS and Android and secure Microsoft's place in the mobile market.
If you're trying to get a feel for Windows Phone 7 as a former Windows Mobile user, I suggest you go to a phone store and try the Windows Phone; there are too many differences to enumerate here.
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Wrong
Windows mobile is more close to the android experience. With that i mean - battery life varies highly between each. HTC sense is found on windows mobile that are htc's which android also has. multiple hardware buttons. Applications can have root access and effect the whole phone. Multiple roms available that are custom built
Windows phone is closer to the Iphone only in terms like ease of use and smoothness. It however is very different from the Iphone. Like the iphone, things are more sand boxed. An application cannot bring the whole phone down. Security is high and malware on both iphone and windows phone is non existant. Windows phone uses live tiles that scroll vertically and flip and move to show information without actually opening the app. Iphone scrolls horizontally in grids of icons that are small and do not show extra information.

tkoh said:
So I'm getting a better idea of the different operating systems for mobile phones. iOs, Android, and Windows seem to be the big 3. What are the differences between windows mobile and windows phone 7?
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In one word?
Metro.

When I wanted to know more about Windows Phone 7, I watched some videos, but then went into the Verizon phone store and tired the Trophy... and loved it. Bought one the very next day.
There is no "official" backwards compatibility with WM 6.x apps... but DFT is working on a full blown WM 6.x series emulator that might allow for those apps to work.
As far as experience, I won't touch an iPhone for moral reasons... but compared to Android, Windows Phone 7's experience is much smoother and much better on batteries in general. Windows Phone 7 runs smooth as silk (especially since most phones aren't duel+ core and full of power hogging hardware).. and I just love the experience.
The only REAL downside I can find is no Swype keyboard, but I've dealt with it since voice input works very well (for me).
I think the biggest factor about seeing the demo phone in person... was figuring out all the major functions of the phone on my own in less then 10 mins. A few things aren't obvious, but now I think about how to use phones differently with Windows Phone 7 (like holding stuff and seeing if options pop-up, or pressing ... for more options on some screens).

Definatly as stated watch some videos. You won't see live tiles on the demo phones doing much because they do not have live accounts attached to them. You miss 25% of the experience when demoing in a store.

Windows 8 RT for TF300t?

I know that Microsoft is only going to release Windows 8 RT as a pre installed OS on the specific device. I also know that they will lock the boot loaders of these devices. I know the chances of getting this seam close to impossible, but i found this device on Asus website.
http://eee.asus.com/global/event/2012/computex2012/tablet-600.html
It looks exactly like the TF300T just running windows 8 RT, it is even using the same exact processor. Do any of the developers think that it would be possible to extract the OS from this device and port it over to the TF300T? Also wouldn't Asus also have to post the image of the OS on their site to restore the device in case of a crash and you need to reload? If the second is the case wouldn't we just need to have a custom boot loader that would allow us to flash and actually boot into Windows 8 RT? I am mainly just trying to get a developers viewpoint on this to see if it would even be possible.

it had double the ram, a different resolution, NFC, led flash...
these things alone will make it near impossible to port windows 8 over to our tf300's, its seems the only spec to match is the processor, and even then it doesnt say what type of tegra 3 that is, so i really wouldn't get your hopes to high

coffmad said:
it had double the ram, a different resolution, NFC, led flash...
these things alone will make it near impossible to port windows 8 over to our tf300's, its seems the only spec to match is the processor, and even then it doesnt say what type of tegra 3 that is, so i really wouldn't get your hopes to high
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If windows 8 RT is anything like the current windows operating system ( which Microsoft says it shares most of the same code as the x86 based version), than having more ram does not matter. The only thing that really matters is that the chip set drivers are the same and that the storage controller drivers are the same. So as long as the chip set is the same (or the diver is the same) than i do not see how it wouldn't work.

Its not an x86 PC, mind it... Embedded ARM platforms dont have plug and play, "smart" buses and standarts in general... It doesnt matter if device X is visually the same as device Y, all the meaningful stuff - GPIO, interrupts etc - maybe completely different.
As far as my experience goes (i 'launched' (cant say ported, i only 'welded' assorted driver code and kernel) linux on wince acer s200 ), CPU and miscellaneous hw initialization may be completely different on WinRT. Besides, why you want an OS which is incompatible with either WM7 or old WinCE/WinMo?

tsamolotoff said:
Its not an x86 PC, mind it... Embedded ARM platforms dont have plug and play, "smart" buses and standarts in general... It doesnt matter if device X is visually the same as device Y, all the meaningful stuff - GPIO, interrupts etc - maybe completely different.
As far as my experience goes (i 'launched' (cant say ported, i only 'welded' assorted driver code and kernel) linux on wince acer s200 ), CPU and miscellaneous hw initialization may be completely different on WinRT. Besides, why you want an OS which is incompatible with either WM7 or old WinCE/WinMo?
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I understand your points. I was simply pointing out that Microsoft stated that the majority of the code for Win RT is the same as the x86 version. I know that it has nothing to do with the look of the product and everything to do with the hardware inside. The only reason i would prefer Win RT over Android right now is that Win RT supports the full desktop version of IE 10. Android is lacking a fully functional desktop version ( chrome does not support apps, the full version of java, ETC.) If Android where to get a fully functional desktop web browser, i would be perfectly happy. Also it would be nice to have the full suite of Microsoft office for college.

I think its more connected to limited IO and CPU resources of ARM tablets, rather than OS limitations... MS can say absolutely anything, but the fact is that there would be no software on release... especially if you take into account that Valve/major OEMs had already sent their 'f-bombs' to MS and its plans with windows 8.

Would the fact that all RT tabs ship with locked boot loaders halt anything as well? I don't believe MS wants RT out on anything but approved tabs.
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WP7.8 apps and WP8

I'm wondering if apps that are on windows store for WP8 if will work on WP7.8 devices or there will be an option for developers to port easily the apps to both version of OS with same source code but with little optimizations?
I try to search something on Google but i didn't find something.

XAP and apx
well . it will NOT work . more likely developers will now have to decide .. program will run on ALL available devices or only on new .
there are 2 formats linked with minimal hardware requirements
1. XAP - Qualcomm S1 800 mghz / 256 ram. it supposed to be like universal
2. APX . qualcomm S4 / 512 ram
windows Phone 7.8 - Supports only XAP
Windows Phone 8 - Supports APX and XAP

I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.

512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED

mo3ulla said:
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
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I feel like they sh1t on us with this, they push the WP7 and now they remove it from market with WP8...
when Apple can upgrade iPhone 3G to iOS6, MS can't upgrade a one to another version of OS

1 . you cant upgrade Iphone 3g to ios 6. only 3gs .
2. Ios6 on 3gs - is pretty same as 5 . nothing new.
3. despite on possobility of implement siri on 4g . they did not
4. there is plenty of apps which require dedicated minimum of Iphone (4 and later ) and not working on any others 3-3gs ) .
same approach as apple implemented by MS .
in 7.8 implemented most of features to keep platform inside Windows Phone ecosistem without any problem ( well as some sort of - low end ( :laugh: . same design . close API and programming functionality .
and Nt kernel a bit huge for low end devices , its not CE with minimal system requirements
if you think that APX will become a REQUIREMENT you are wrong . from developer side . APX more like an option

Gizmo_x said:
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
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it's not just the ram, it's also the chipset your HTC mozart still using 1st gen snapdragon, so it might not be powerful enough to run win 8 apps

as ms supposed
apx intended for
1. HD applications or programs ported from windows RT
2. application with exccessive calculations or graphical requiremens ( premium games )
for rest of applications is still intended - xap

The HTC Mozart is now 2 years old. If it gets WP 7.8 it will still have gotten better/longer support than most android devices. Windows Phone 8 is a huge overhaul of the OS (and it uses a different kernel) so WP 8 apps can not run on WP7.5/7.8 devices, however WP8 has been designed to be backwards compatible so WP8 will run most of the WP7.5/7.8 apps.
I think it is bold to assume that every single developer will instantly abandon the WP7.x platform completely, more likely they will put out one version for each system.
Still, if you'd rather move to android or iOS, no one is stoping you.

Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.

i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.

Gizmo_x said:
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
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Ok, good bye. Have fun with android or iOS, whatever you prefer.
Dinchy87 said:
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)

I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
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if they lock the big tile to OEMs that would be a disappointment to all developers. first the wp8 SDK needs to much resources. i have to buy additional 2GB of RAM, and i need to reinstall my windows 8 to x64. Thats to much for the majority of developers to ask for. So wp8 could also make an slow progress on apps because of that fact. and the last thing about all that is we must pay to develop and spread our apps from which the Windows Phone ecosystem lives! i would set the developer price to $0 for the once which are offering free no ad apps. if you want to add ads to your apps microsoft gets an % share of the earnings, and the third possible situation you want to make paid apps, you pay % of the share of each app selled. so every possible developer would jump on the wp7 wp8 development. but if we pay, like i, and get our apps out, then we get the SDK late, and it uses s o much resources and Microsoft earns on us then this is not ok! They are selling apps as an major feature, and without developers no apps, no live tiles - and no apps means no business. but Microsoft wants that we pay for it to develop no matter how much we are doing for the community.

Gizmo_x said:
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
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Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.

mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?

mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)

Dinchy87 said:
yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.

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as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?
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officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version

mo3ulla said:
officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
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then Wp7.8 will lose opportunity for Cross platform game engines like Unity3D because they are going to support only Wp8.

mcosmin222 said:
Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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I'm speaking of development for 7.8 Europe and eat Europe, Asia markets will be very good for wp7.8 development. and 7.8 will be tied to the WP8 SDK. and i have already 7.8 and i dont want to develop for wp8 for now. the problem is not in windows 8, the problem is when they told us about the specifications. i already had x86 as they said that. and i dont have 4GB RAM and no CPU with SLAT support. this will be in east Europe about 200-250$ investment! for what? for microsoft that they can live with WP8 and with our apps? They live of our apps they should give us what we need to develop, 7.1 sdk run very well on my pc and i have no problems, and if 7.8 is stil a 7 then why new resource needs and specifications? I think their lazy to make an custom sdk for 7.8 and will just reflection some stuff from wp8. and an reflection uses the wp8 SDK and of course windows 8 and 4gb ram an an CPU with SLAT. so 50% of the worldwide developers must upgrade... half of my friends must upgrade to develop further for Windows Phone 7.8 and that is bull****.

[Q] Windows RT: Why Yes? Why Not?

Pros and cons of the new OS developed by Microsoft?

Why yes? Because it's based off of the Windows NT Hybrid kernel (though more monolithic in nature), so it utilizes a robust and secure system while maintaining speed and multitasking capabilities.
Why not? Well, you may already know. It's not compatible with legacy Windows software. Can only install apps through the Windows Market and even there you're limited. Only allows Flash on approved websites and isn't nearly adopted as either Android or iOS. It's definitely a great OS, but it's slow to be adopted by manufacturers. If it goes the way of WebOS, then you're stuck with the equivalent of a TouchPad.

Pros: none
Cons: it's microsoft
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So the only and main problem is on the Windows store? Do you think that this OS, in the future, will "level up" or will go down?

Pros: Comes with Office 2013, I've yet to see an office suite on Android that is desktop grade, but LibreOffice is coming eventually.
Cons: Can't run existing Windows programs, locked bootloader, upgrades to future versions of Windows unknown
Personally I'd pay a bit more for an Intel Windows 8 tablet if you want a windows tablet.

[Q] Future of 8.1 RT

Any speculation of the future of 8.1 RT on the Surface 2? Will it be replaced by Windows 9 or 10 and eventually have some desktop applications?

Pretty sure RT 10 will be released, though the line might end there.
Third-party / unsigned desktop apps... probably not officially. Microsoft seems Really Devoted to blowing away anything below their knees where this OS is concerned, and has been observed seeking bigger footguns for this purpose (see: all the anti-jailbreak stuff in 8.1). However, assuming they don't fix the various approaches that are being worked on and even tested now, it wouldn't surprise me to see a jailbreak for RT 10 released shortly after the release of the OS itself.

I really hope you're right GoodDayToDie. The rumors I've heard about Threshold for ARM are less than encouraging... basically:
- Preview coming early next year
- Merging of Windows RT and Windows Phone
- desktop being removed.
IF true, it sounds like they're really just scaling Windows Phone for larger devices. But perhaps the desktop will still be in the code and just disabled or something. I of course am hoping that is wrong as I would hate to see it go away... I use the desktop more than the modern ui on my Surface RT, even without counting the jailbreak.
Of course what I am really hoping for is that the next version of Windows on ARM will get the same treatment as x86 Windows and allow for windowed store apps on the desktop etc. And then if it really can get a jailbreak too... awesome!
Otherwise I may be sticking with RT 8.0 for the life of the device. A dumbed-down phone OS doesn't sound like something I want to "upgrade" to. I'm sure when the Preview hits we will have a better idea of what is to come...