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What is so good about Android OS ?

Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.

If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.

apple.
-no multitasking
-came up with 3 os updates just to get copy/paste.
-not customizable
windows mobile-
compatible with any computer
-gps is hackable
-customizable
-has word mobile
CONS with wm-
-6.5 is only 6.1, just a little bit more friendly
-need outside resources to sync with mac
-many different screen sizes/phones for apps, so takes longer

Ace42 said:
If you use it you will know what is so good, there are many features that android has over apple :
ADV:
-Multi-tasking
-3rd party apps
-exchange support
-customization
-push emails to phone
-multiple emails can be setup
-price is lower than iphone
-OS layers(Sense,Blur,Pulse,timescape,liquid,etc)
I dont have any disadvantages but im sure someone else can post those.
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Windows OS supports all of these namely
Multi tasking
3rd party apps
exchange support
puse emails
multiple emails
price is still lower than iphone except
but whats OS layers sense,blur,pulse,timescape,liquird etc if its like os interface software than windows alos habe htc sense , spb shell etc . and may improve with wm7.
Iphone has the smoothest graphics and animation, windows os is flexible and most tweakable.
so for me Windows OS wins on features... even its not too finger firiendly

ya ya ya ya ...

waqqqas said:
ya ya ya ya ...
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For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it

waqqqas said:
ya ya ya ya ...
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Thanks and welcome to xda
Fallen Spartan said:
For a first post, I'm rather disappointed. If you have nothing sensible to say, best to say nothing at all
Hopefully your 2nd post will have had more thought put into it
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I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.

rahulelectra said:
Thanks and welcome to xda
I was also thinking same about his first post. But coming back to topic - Whats good about android when all the functionality i can get in WM.
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Well, it's a little less outdated. WM is getting past mature almost into old, it still has some life though, however I feel it can't compete with Android. Spend a week with an Android device (namely the Nexus One) and you'll be amazed

Webos!
Can we throw webos from palm in the mix?
Pros
--Gorgeous UI
--Amazing ability for syncing
--3rd party promgrams
--Amazing multitasking
--Very hackable
--Very Customizable
--Gets flash in next update
--Super fast growing amount of apps (though limited at the moment)
Cons
-- Features that should have been standard have to be turned on through developer mode.
--Could use more hardware options
--Not enough apps.
To me, Webos stands out and above

android os has many pros and cons, as does iphone os, windows mobile isout of the match and windows phone 7 isnt really for developers but has many pros, its a matter of taste, whatever you like or suits you, their all good, just going around talking crap about each os is stupid, sorry but your a big time a**hole.

Simply because it is open source.

rahulelectra said:
Everyone here and there are saying android is the OS of the future. Android should be on HD2. Android is Open Source etc etc
Whats so cool about it?
Lets make some comparison (from my point of view, you may differ)
Apple OS
Advantages
1 Amazing Smooth Graphics Best in its class
2 Logical GUI again Bsst in its class
Disadvantages
1 I need itunes to get some music suppose say friends pc.
2 I cannot use it as pen Drive.
Windows Mobile OS
Advantages
1 Can be alternate for most of PC's work.
2 Installing Music, soft is a breeze.
3 I use pc at work and home so modying to my taste is easy.
Disadvantages
1 Outdated Interface like still using windows 98 when Windows 7 is out.
2 GUI is more inclined for PC like task but shuld by changed logically to smartphone
Android OS
Advantages
1 Open Source ???????
Disadvantages
1 Open Source - Look where is linux, Its fine for complex computing but for everyday joe... noo
I think Windows mobile will bounce back with wm7/8. But Iphone Os and Blackberry will continue to haunt it for a while.
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Hi to XDA!
For me android and iOS rule the roost.
Here are my reasons
- Android has the second biggest app ecosystem at this time. nearly 500,000 apps. Compare that to WM's less than 80,000
- The tweakability factor for Android is just ridiculous. The things you can do with the OS can't be compared with any other OS.
- True multi-tasking with the newer phones
- App refunds!
- Google Sync, the biggest email provider in the world at this moment
- As a developer, Linux is very easy. C# which is used to code for WM, is really difficult. Android has provided with us with an easy to use SDK, WM still is trying to get it right.
- If you were talking about WIN CE and not WP, then it was good at that time. But it never took off and is dead at that time.

Windows Mobile 7 Features leaked!

WP 7 features are leaking all over the net. Let me list them :
· WP7 will be announced at MWC, and there will be a demo, but this will be just the UX
· MIX will have specific developement focus sessions on WP7
· WP7 supports both Sliverlight (out of browser) and XNA
· Silverlight is version 3.0, with elements of 4.0 plus mobile specific features such as sensors etc
· XNA apps can be developed using XNA GameStudio 3.1
· SL apps developed using Expression Blend 3.x and VS2010
· MS will release a mobile version of VS / Expression which will be free, and VS2010 / Expression Pro will have a free add-on
· WP7 will have an equivalent of .NET CF embedded into SL, but no SQL.
· WP7 will have isolated storage which is accessible using LINQ
· The UX of WP7 is based upon a theme called “METRO” and is similar to Zune HD, but with a completely new “Start” screen.
· No multi-tasking (applications will pause when in the background, however they will support notifications using the MS Push Notifications environment)
· No .NET CF backwards compatibility, however a proportion of the data and business logic in .NET CF could be ported
· MS were confident to have devices ready for Sep 2010
· No MS manufactured device, however much tighter control of manufactring process, so as an example each device has a 3D processing chipset, and MS provide all of the device drivers. So no platform builder. This enables OTA updates and simplified model for ODM’s
· Marketplace will support buy and try before you buy, as well as an API
· ODM / OEM will not be able to modify the “Start” screen, so no more HTC Sense / TouchFlo etc.
· MS are actually ahead of schedule which will surprise the analysts / journalists
· Browsing experience is currently faster / better than iPhone 3G, and they are aiming towards 3GS.
· Browser is based upon desktop IE7 codebase, but with some IE8 functionality
· No in browser Flash or SL
· WP7 has full integration with XBOX Live, and ability to purchase games
· WP7 will use the Zune software for music, videos, photos sync
· WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading
· MS will provide a hosted push notifications environment
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While this might disappoint most but I for one am really happy to see that Microsoft is finally taking this seriously and has worked on WM7 from ground up!
Finally we will be able to get the User Experience comparable to iPhone/Android! Xbox Live and Zune integration sounds totally awesome!

Well this would be the media edition of the phone.... and all the OEM's will sport the 'professional' version of the phone...makes sense.

Still that won't make any Extreme Changes. The basic UI will remain the same. I feel there won't be any major differences User Interface wise between Windows Mobile 7 versions...they've already disallowed 3rd Party UI!

Im afraid your wrong . HTC have already said they will continue supporting Sense 3D on WinMo7, now they wouldnt have been able to do that if MS is going to lock down the UI.
I think/heard there will be 2 versions of the OS, the zune version which is what you see above (this will run on MS hardware, pretty much like the zune) and all the OEM's such as HTC, Toshiba, SE, etc etc will run the pro version of the OS which will similar to what we are used to...how different the OS will be in terms of GUI will be interesting to see, i sure hope that the zune version doesnt get all the goodies.

"WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading"
Does that mean we could not anymore install cab files from xda.dev ?

How far the new OS is going to be customizable is still to be seen. I think they will keep everything closed just like the iPhone and only allow limited modifications.

no multi tasking?... ... ...the point is???

If the above features are true ... Good bye WinMo7
I will go with Android (Or iPhone 4.0?) ...

^Could not wait and have already went over to the dark side...android is very cool best thing I've done!

this looks like some fanboys conspiracy
all windows mobile power (from the users point of view) that its so customizable and like micro computer
if wm7 gonna be kind of an iphone people will prefer the real iphone its perfect in its own limited way...

I can only say, if winmo drops multi-tasking, I'll drop winmo.
Gee. if people want a iPhone they'll get one.
Not everyone may be able to afford a 1ghz processor now, but the future's going to catch up before winmo7 comes out anyway.

tuksedra said:
no multi tasking?... ... ...the point is???
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Think of the pleasure to be got from watching WinMophiles having to admit to iPhonatics that WinMo is now even worse at multi-tasking than the iPhone is! (rotfl)

moooxooom said:
I can only say, if winmo drops multi-tasking, I'll drop winmo.
Gee. if people want a iPhone they'll get one.
Not everyone may be able to afford a 1ghz processor now, but the future's going to catch up before winmo7 comes out anyway.
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x2!!!
Without Multi-Tasking, HTC Sense and not be able to install whatever I want in where I want, I will never buy a new winmo pda phone again...
I'll guess I'll have to go to Android or in the worst case to iPhone

Multi-Tasking would be indeed a absolute no-go. I'm sure, that will never NOT happen.
I hope, you're also in the future allowed to install what you want where you want. I hate these Iphone restrictions. Let's hope, this will not gonna happen for WM.

I think companies are going paranoid... don't understand why many restrictions when on the desktop side u can do whatever u want... because of a majority of dumbs, that don't even know how to shutdown a computer, the rest of us have to suffer of these limitations...

No multi-tasking means I'm sticking with 6.5.3 (or whatever they call it) or going with Android.
Don't they realize that competing with Apple in Apple's arena will only get them smoked PLUS alienate their fanbase? We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os. What we do want is a rebuilt, faster, better WinMo os that is just as customizable as the current os.
Seriously, if they are planning on putting out a winphone os, they are going to lose. period.

fb401 said:
No multi-tasking means I'm sticking with 6.5.3 (or whatever they call it) or going with Android.
Don't they realize that competing with Apple in Apple's arena will only get them smoked PLUS alienate their fanbase? We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os. What we do want is a rebuilt, faster, better WinMo os that is just as customizable as the current os.
Seriously, if they are planning on putting out a winphone os, they are going to lose. period.
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What he said

Maybe they will remove the file manager. If they remove the file manager, the device is no more PDA.

fb401 said:
We go to WinMo because we DON'T want iphone os.
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"We" aren't exactly a mass market, though. There were considerably more iPhones sold in the last 12 months than every single model of Windows Mobile phone put together. (WinMo is currently a distant fourth in the smartphone market behind Symbian, RIM and iPhone, with Android closing). The bulk of those who still buy WinMo phones are corporate customers. If abandoning the needs of a tiny minority of users (i.e. us) will net Microsoft a substantially improved marketshare, you can bet they'll do just that.
Having said that, I'm inclined to view this particular rumour with some suspicion; at the very least, with other rumours persistently claiming that there is more than one version of WM7 in the offing, it certainly makes no sense to assume, at this stage, that every available version will be like this.

sigh..........
I really hope some of this is not true. And I will wait until some formal announcement to make up my mind BUT if true, no multitasking, no user UI customization, no apps installed to sd card, all apps through the Marketplace?? Had I wanted to live in a walled garden I would have already bought an Iphone.
I've been using WinMo PDAs and phones for more years than I care to admit. Maybe it is time to simplify my life and get a dumb phone and swear off tech. Guess I can start carrying around all my passwords written down in a code again in my purse (shades of the 80's here except that I have a bunch more and they are all pretty complicated now- I do love my ewallet). grrrrrrr...............

[Q] Qt on WP7: Possible but why not?

Qt apps work on WinCE. If WP7 is built on top of WinCE, why would Qt apps not be allowed on Win7?
I'm just trying to make sense of it here. Is it an artificial Microsoft restriction for their platform?

Because third-party apps are managed in .NET compact framework. Qt is a C++ framework and thus unmanaged. This is a smart move by MS as it increases system stability and enhances user experience.

leonard2010 said:
Because third-party apps are managed in .NET compact framework. Qt is a C++ framework and thus unmanaged. This is a smart move by MS as it increases system stability and enhances user experience.
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If that's the lame reason they give for it not being doable then I will just need to hack Qt onto it. Dumbest move in Nokia's history!

discourse said:
If that's the lame reason they give for it not being doable then I will just need to hack Qt onto it. Dumbest move in Nokia's history!
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givin that one of the main reasons that windows mobile 6 and for that matter windows desktop can be unstable is poor quality 3rd party programs i think the move was a very good one, forcing programers to stick to strict controls means they have to develop good software, also givin MS got most of the flak for these crap programs i think it was a good move on their part

at the cost of lower performance and code easily being stolen. MS don't care about developers. Hacking a silverlight app onto CE and calling it a new OS was a terrible shortcut and will cost them in the long run.

It's a matter of time until Microsoft releases a Native Development Kit. In a recent interview Brad Watson from Windows Phone 7 Development team said:
Brad Watson said:
8) What about native SDK? Android got theirs later, should we expect Microsoft to provide a native SDK also, or just forget about it ?
BLW – if by native SDK, you are asking will we allow anyone to run C or C++ unmanaged code on the device, the answer is “not now.” Our primary concern is ensuring that there is a fantastic customer experience on the phone. We recently announced that we have satisfaction rates for the phone at 93%. That’s amazing. We attribute at least some of that to the fact that customers can buy apps that they don’t have to worry will trash their phones, and they don’t have to worry because of the managed platform.
Over time we will certainly relax certain restrictions on the phone, but we cannot compromise the integrity of the phone experience or the marketplace experience.
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Microsoft has to release a NDK because the competition has a NDK. Hopefully the competition will have more and more NDK applications (Firefox, Skype) which would make them more appealing to the user.
When such a NDK will be present, Qt (at least lighthouse) will be ported to Windows Phone 7

indiekiduk said:
at the cost of lower performance and code easily being stolen. MS don't care about developers. Hacking a silverlight app onto CE and calling it a new OS was a terrible shortcut and will cost them in the long run.
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While I agree it's far from the entirely new OS we were promised I very much doubt it will cost them in the long run. They have provided a OS experience that is second to none, this is all because of the limitations they have put in place.
I would expect the platform to open up somewhat for the next wave of [higher-end] devices giving existing users an iOS-like experience where you can certainly upgrade to utilize multitasking and all that jazz but it will cost you some of the current smoothness of the UX.
The fact that .Net assemblies are easily decompiled into fully working Visual Studio projects hasn't been a huge problem on the desktop and as obfuscating tools become better and better I see no reason why it should lead to a problem on the mobile platform either. Looking thru some of the recent marketplace apps they are all but decipherable for the average developer. Also, as more and more processing moves to the cloud it becomes less and less of a problem - most startups are neither willing not capable of mirroring your closed-source/protected backend services.

The missing NDK is not the sole reason. The OS IS different. As others have pointed out, quite some GDI stuff is just not there, or doesn't do anything. So, Qt would probably just not start. And as there will never be (as MS said) (official) OpenGL drivers on WP7 you can't switch the backend.
And there has to be already some kind of NDK, as e.g. Navigon Select is a semi-native application and it is not created by OEMs.

Hades32 said:
The missing NDK is not the sole reason. The OS IS different. As others have pointed out, quite some GDI stuff is just not there, or doesn't do anything. So, Qt would probably just not start. And as there will never be (as MS said) (official) OpenGL drivers on WP7 you can't switch the backend.
And there has to be already some kind of NDK, as e.g. Navigon Select is a semi-native application and it is not created by OEMs.
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They say IE9 will have accelerated graphics support, which I presume is based on Direct3D. For WinPhone7 Qt needs a Direct3D backend, which should work on all WinPhone7 devices.
Qt should have the same capabilities of IE9, which AFAIK is not written in managed code.
Qt could also use Google's angleproject which should help in translating "OpenGL ES 2.0 API calls to DirectX 9 API calls".

Since this is a discussion thread, this is going in WP7 General.
~~Tito~~

It will simply not happen. It's that easy. (Not w/o homebrew that is)

By not allowing Qt on WP7, Microsoft and Nokia have just shot themselves in the foot. Instead of offering a smooth migration path for the millions of Nokia users and devs, they've basically alienated the entire community. WP7 is also losing out on thousands of high quality applications like Angry Birds for Symbian^3 and MeeGo that was developed using Nokia's Qt SDK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1dwYmKMjs

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If that's the lame reason they give for it not being doable then I will just need to hack Qt onto it. Dumbest move in Nokia's history!
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Good luck hacking Qt into it.
Using .NET also increases Security.
WP7 doens't need Qt, and Microsoft should do whatever it can to stop Nokia from putting Qt in WP7.
Those reasons aren't lame, unless you're missing the portion of you brain that controls logic.

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By not allowing Qt on WP7, Microsoft and Nokia have just shot themselves in the foot. Instead of offering a smooth migration path for the millions of Nokia users and devs, they've basically alienated the entire community. WP7 is also losing out on thousands of high quality applications like Angry Birds for Symbian^3 and MeeGo that was developed using Nokia's Qt SDK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1dwYmKMjs
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It's much easier to develop for WP7 than it is for Symbian/Qt. I don't think the developers will have much of an issue with it. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot, you people just AREN'T developers, and don't understand it.
You know you're talking to clueless people when Angry Birds is the epitome o fa high quality application to them.
Cause you cannot develop Angry Birds in XNA, and you seriously believe porting Angry Birds to WP7 will involve nothing other than a few code line changes and a recompilation?
Give me a break.
I wish Microsoft had partnered with SE or something. Nokia's fanbase are more bat**** crazy over these pet projects than the Android people.

Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same. With 200 million users worldwide and Nokia planning to sell around 150 million more Symbian devices, Symbian still offers unparalleled geographical scale for developers.
Extending the scope of Qt further will be our first MeeGo-related open source device, which we plan to ship later this year. Though our plans for MeeGo have been adapted in light of our planned partnership with Microsoft, that device will be compatible with applications developed within the Qt framework and so give Qt developers a further device to target.

Can MS give Win Phone 7.8 to Open source Community? [Q]

Guys,
throw some light on the questions i have.
Will MS invest any more money on enhancement of Windows 7.8 ? Will be receive any further updates to Win 7.8 ?
I saw the developer summit and feel very happy for MS about the WIN 8 and the new features in got , but i cant just leave behind a beautiful platform and set of enthusiastic users of Gen 1 and Gen 2 phones. Very bad on that part.
I was expecting VPN and many other features which were hardware independent can be done in current Mango software , will MS care to enhance it ?
Last but to least, i think if MS make the Windows phone 7.8 open source, our beloved XDA devs can enhance the OS and continue contribute to the platform.
Is there any way to request Microsoft to make it open source ?
Please share your opinions

yakaaithiri said:
Guys,
throw some light on the questions i have.
Will MS invest any more money on enhancement of Windows 7.8 ? Will be receive any further updates to Win 7.8 ?
I saw the developer summit and feel very happy for MS about the WIN 8 and the new features in got , but i cant just leave behind a beautiful platform and set of enthusiastic users of Gen 1 and Gen 2 phones. Very bad on that part.
I was expecting VPN and many other features which were hardware independent can be done in current Mango software , will MS care to enhance it ?
Last but to least, i think if MS make the Windows phone 7.8 open source, our beloved XDA devs can enhance the OS and continue contribute to the platform.
Is there any way to request Microsoft to make it open source ?
Please share your opinions
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nope, MS will never do such.

yakaaithiri said:
Guys,
throw some light on the questions i have.
Will MS invest any more money on enhancement of Windows 7.8 ? Will be receive any further updates to Win 7.8 ?
I saw the developer summit and feel very happy for MS about the WIN 8 and the new features in got , but i cant just leave behind a beautiful platform and set of enthusiastic users of Gen 1 and Gen 2 phones. Very bad on that part.
I was expecting VPN and many other features which were hardware independent can be done in current Mango software , will MS care to enhance it ?
Last but to least, i think if MS make the Windows phone 7.8 open source, our beloved XDA devs can enhance the OS and continue contribute to the platform.
Is there any way to request Microsoft to make it open source ?
Please share your opinions
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I LOL'd.
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Impossible. If Microsoft open sources windows phone 7 then windows CE will also be open sourced. People are still using Windows ce for lots of other embedded stuff, this will mean lost of revenue. As of right now Windows RT is a Microsoft only product not available for sale to other people. For other people that need embedded solutions microsoft has windows embedded and windows ce. Since Windows phone 7 is built on top of windows ce 6 and partly windows ce 7 they will need to opensource both.

Windows Phone 8 apps

When windows phone 8 is released, will the new apps released be available for specifically WP8 or will they also be compatible with WP7.8?

AkashtheBruh said:
When windows phone 8 is released, will the new apps released be available for specifically WP8 or will they also be compatible with WP7.8?
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I guess it will depend of the developer.

It depends on how they are built (what version of the runtime they target). Just as today, you can build an app for WP7.1 (or 7.5 if you prefer, a.k.a. Mango) and it will only run on Mango or later... or you can build an app with the 7.0 SDK (if you don't mind the limited APIs available) and it will run on all WP7 devices regardless of version. In the future, devs will have the option to target WP7+, or WP8 only. Obviously, the new APIs that are coming with WP8 will only be usable by WP8-exclusive apps.

GoodDayToDie said:
It depends on how they are built (what version of the runtime they target). Just as today, you can build an app for WP7.1 (or 7.5 if you prefer, a.k.a. Mango) and it will only run on Mango or later... or you can build an app with the 7.0 SDK (if you don't mind the limited APIs available) and it will run on all WP7 devices regardless of version. In the future, devs will have the option to target WP7+, or WP8 only. Obviously, the new APIs that are coming with WP8 will only be usable by WP8-exclusive apps.
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ahh I understand, Well in your opinion, do you think that the windows phone 7.8 apps will be made or will they just be shunned altogether?

Given the way that Microsoft is being tight-fisted with the WP8 SDK, you're definitely still going to be getting almost all WP7 apps for the next month or three. After that... harder to say. There are still WP7.x devices being launched, so developers who wnat the maximum audience will continue to use the older SDK, but a lot of people are going to be lured by the power of those new APIs. XNA may make it easy to develop games, but people who want maximum performance and real DirectX access are going to be (of necessity, aside from homebrew) using the WP8 SDK.