The reason I pose this question is because it is a precursor to a debate point which I later want to get to but in order to do that, there needs to be an objective definition.
What I would is for people to share their understanding of what KANGING is.
To me, KANGING is taking another developers code and creating something else with it.
This can be as simple as compiling android with an extended menu.
You pretty much got it. To copy and make your own or just to copy.
I don't like the term. The whole point of open source software is to allow others to freely take and modify your own code, which was also built off of other people's code. As long as credit is given where due, what the heck is the problem? Sure, I understand taking someone's work, barely modifying it, and calling it your own can be looked down upon, but as long as credit is given to the original author(s), it is allowed.
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Where did the term originate? Did someone way back in the day rip off code and his name happened to be Kang?
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Where did the term originate? Did someone way back in the day rip off code and his name happened to be Kang?
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You got it...kind of. Kang was not the actual last name though.
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Sure, I understand taking someone's work, barely modifying it, and calling it your own can be looked down upon
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Pretty sure this is more of where the term came from and why it upsets people, but add "without permission and/or credit."
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Yeah, if someone specifically licenses their code to require permission... It is not as if the original coder asked permission from Google, Samsung, or whoever else to use their code. They made it freely available so anyone can freely modify and release it for free, as well. I think people here need to accept that fact. This is what is so great about open source software. However, if someone is releasing your modified work as their own without giving credit, that is a problem.
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Yeah, if someone specifically licenses their code to require permission... It is not as if the original coder asked permission from Google, Samsung, or whoever else to use their code. They made it freely available so anyone can freely modify and release it for free, as well. I think people here need to accept that fact. This is what is so great about open source software. However, if someone is releasing your modified work as their own without giving credit, that is a problem.
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Just to put something else out there based on this, what if the credit is in the source code. Just doesn't appear on the release page because of some random reason.
Does the definition change? Is it still KANG? Is it stolen? What's the thoughts?
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Just to put something else out there based on this, what if the credit is in the source code. Just doesn't appear on the release page because of some random reason.
Does the definition change? Is it still KANG? Is it stolen? What's the thoughts?
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I'm not sure, but that's unlikely to happen.. if anyone is ever in that position, they should just not be sleezey and give credit where due.
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I'm not sure, but that's unlikely to happen.. if anyone is ever in that position, they should just not be sleezey and give credit where due.
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This is where I would disagree, giving credit on a forum post isn't necessarily better than having the credits in the source code. Thinking as a developer, it would be much more important to me to have my name on top of a code snippet.
I would also like to point to XDA Rule #12 for this thinking.
If it violates the rules posted in this new thread by kenthepenn, it's Kanging:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508510
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If it violates the rules posted in this new thread by kenthepenn, it's Kanging:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508510
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Be specific, your own words. All of us already have access to that post and we can see it on our own, no point in regurgitating. Think about it like law, everyone has access to the written version, it is interpretation that's important.
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Be specific, your own words. All of us already have access to that post and we can see it on our own, no point in regurgitating. Think about it like law, everyone has access to the written version, it is interpretation that's important.
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Specifically this has already been answered. In responses here and in that thread I linked to. Maybe you should just tell us what your angle is here, clearly you have one...
EDIT: Just realized that sounded kind of dickish. Sorry, rough day.
I think it is the same thing as plagiarism. It's just wrong. You should ask permission and attribute. Don't take others work and pass it off as your own. Basic ethics.
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Specifically this has already been answered. In responses here and in that thread I linked to. Maybe you should just tell us what your angle is here, clearly you have one...
EDIT: Just realized that sounded kind of dickish. Sorry, rough day.
I think it is the same thing as plagiarism. It's just wrong. You should ask permission and attribute. Don't take others work and pass it off as your own. Basic ethics.
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I did share my view OP bro. The reason I'm asking is also in the OP.
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I did share my view OP bro. The reason I'm asking is also in the OP.
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I saw that. But you also said it was a precursor to a debate point you would get to. What's up for debate? The part about asking permission first?
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I saw that. But you also said it was a precursor to a debate point you would get to. What's up for debate? The part about asking permission first?
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Now you're just getting impatient and ahead of yourself. Just wait.
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Hello I am here to give the email address of HTCs main developer for the thunderbolt. He is in charge of source code for kernel. Be polite when requesting it.
[email protected]
Credit to TeamAndIRC for releasing email address. I'm a messenger
Martin,
I am writing you in regards to the yet unreleased kernel source for the HTC Thunderbolt. I have emailed HTC's primary support address multiple times, and have received no satisfactory responses, other than the standard response of 90-120 days.
I understand that Android is mostly released under the Apache license, but we all know that the linux kernel still falls under the GPL license. The GPL license has no conditions in it allowing for a grace period to release the source code. This means that HTC has been in violation of the GPL license for the past week, as the kernel source code still remains unreleased.
There is a large enthusiast community behind the Thunderbolt, and it would be in HTC's best interest to comply with open source agreements.
If you could please facilitate the release of the kernel source code, it would be appreciated, and further complications from the open source community can easily be avoided.
Thank you,
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Great email. Let's keep it civil.
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Please post the responses you get from htc.
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Please do this. We need this as a community
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Comes off a little threatening to me but hope it helps get the source release
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Everyone should send an email. We need to get a kernel developer to email.
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Honestly, I truly wish I had the resources to truly threaten them with legal action. Companies should be taught that just because they're large companies, doesn't mean they have the right to abuse this kind of stuff like they do.
I know TeamAndIRC is trying to get someone who is a lawyer involved
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Just hold a gun to their head or send this email....not sure which is worse
Give them time and be patient...then always release the source code...usually a month or two after release...its how they work.
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Give them time and be patient...then always release the source code...usually a month or two after release...its how they work.
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right, and lets let criminals steal because eventually they will stop.
Just because eventually they do the right thing, doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished.
what i dont get is how they are going to release the kernel source for the Incredible S, which has yet to be released, and not for current phones.
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-releases-kernel-source-incredible-s-mytouch-3g-slide-wildfire
They won't release ours bc we got root already. There going to try and push and update to lock us in again
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They won't release ours bc we got root already. There going to try and push and update to lock us in again
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This. Verizon's probably got a hand in trying to delay the source code as well.
Its new...get over it really. They will release it when they are ready.
Kernel source is suppose to be released the day of the device being released. Or before the release date. It's a legal term of using linux or any gpl code.
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But have they always followed this? And do they get in trouble? Nope. Wait it out...you guys make me laugh irl.
magneticzero said:
But have they always followed this? And do they get in trouble? Nope. Wait it out...you guys make me laugh irl.
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So it's wrong, but they do it all the time, so we should just ignore it? Really dude? I love your attitude.
This is why companies get away with so much BS, illegal stuff, unorthodox stuff... because so many people in the general public have your attitude.
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So it's wrong, but they do it all the time, so we should just ignore it? Really dude? I love your attitude.
This is why companies get away with so much BS, illegal stuff, unorthodox stuff... because so many people in the general public have your attitude.
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Nah...i just like seeing people whine....you will get it when its ready.
They number more than 20 and their name and extension are squares or symbols as if looking at a document with the wrong encoding. Don't know when they got there but they all belong to system and have creation dates like 1970 and 1994.
Anyone else?
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Is this a late late April fools joke?
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Do you know how to get rids of these files or even if they are important? I'm serious, and you are seriously stupid if you are asking if this is a joke.
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ensonnosne said:
Do you know how to get rids of these files or even if they are important? I'm serious, and you are seriously stupid if you are asking if this is a joke.
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Nope I don't know how to fix you're issue... sorry ...
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They number more than 20 and their name and extension are squares or symbols as if looking at a document with the wrong encoding. Don't know when they got there but they all belong to system and have creation dates like 1970 and 1994.
Anyone else?
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please provide more information. are you stock out of the box, flashed a rom, did any mods, clicked on a suspicious link either on the web or FB? Kinda hard to help you out with out more information.
in general, I have not heard of anything like this. BUT, if my thoughts serve me right, it sounds like your phone has been compromised.
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please provide more information. are you stock out of the box, flashed a rom, did any mods, clicked on a suspicious link either on the web or FB? Kinda hard to help you out with out more information.
in general, I have not heard of anything like this. BUT, if my thoughts serve me right, it sounds like your phone has been compromised.
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FLMAO!!! Please tell me how old you are? I cant believe this because its so damn funny, but is this reply the punchline to the late late apr. fools joke??
Don't you think that any reasonable person would have taken the phone back if it came out of box like this?
Did I click on any questionable links in fb or web??? does it make a difference? I still need to get rid of it. It isn't a self replicating virus you dufuss. Its a file.
I love your last line "compromised" lmao. You sound like a government agent with down syndrome thats a character in a elementary school play written, produced, cast, and crew by the schools special ed students dually diagnosed with psychotic diaorders.
I got this one bro. Thanks for thw laughs. Peace
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FLMAO!!! Please tell me how old you are? I cant believe this because its so damn funny, but is this reply the punchline to the late late apr. fools joke??
Don't you think that any reasonable person would have taken the phone back if it came out of box like this?
Did I click on any questionable links in fb or web??? does it make a difference? I still need to get rid of it. It isn't a self replicating virus you dufuss. Its a file.
I love your last line "compromised" lmao. You sound like a government agent with down syndrome thats a character in a elementary school play written, produced, cast, and crew by the schools special ed students dually diagnosed with psychotic diaorders.
I got this one bro. Thanks for thw laughs. Peace
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you ask for help and shoot the first person attempting to assist. GTFO of here. btw, i do work for the government you dumb F***
ensonnosne said:
They number more than 20 and their name and extension are squares or symbols as if looking at a document with the wrong encoding. Don't know when they got there but they all belong to system and have creation dates like 1970 and 1994.
Anyone else?
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Nope, haven't seen them. Where did you see them?
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FLMAO!!! Please tell me how old you are? I cant believe this because its so damn funny, but is this reply the punchline to the late late apr. fools joke??
Don't you think that any reasonable person would have taken the phone back if it came out of box like this?
Did I click on any questionable links in fb or web??? does it make a difference? I still need to get rid of it. It isn't a self replicating virus you dufuss. Its a file.
I love your last line "compromised" lmao. You sound like a government agent with down syndrome thats a character in a elementary school play written, produced, cast, and crew by the schools special ed students dually diagnosed with psychotic diaorders.
I got this one bro. Thanks for thw laughs. Peace
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Your an ass. Your vague description of the files provides very little. Apparently you did stuff on your phone. RTFM
What the hell is this thread!
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xsteven77x said:
What the hell is this thread!
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A good argument as to why you shouldn't be able to naively root your phone and/or flash it without knowing what you're doing...
I lol'd...
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Omfg isn't this thread so lol!
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Funny for us but not to the guy having the trouble. I do find it odd the dates would be from the 1970. Like others said I'd take it back tell em u want a new phone and flip through the new one and make sure all is good before leaving the store.
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a bump for justice.
jeffsf said:
A good argument as to why you shouldn't be able to naively root your phone and/or flash it without knowing what you're doing...
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Lmfao best stuff i read all week.
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Funny for us but not to the guy having the trouble. (...)
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The funny thing is that the guy having the trouble is such a douche that he mistreats the people who are trying to help him.
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The funny thing is that the guy having the trouble is such a douche that he mistreats the people who are trying to help him.
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Well I'm new so so far everyone has been cool to me in this forum. Just trying to repay the favor. Not hating just saying I don't know him.
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Wow... this guy is a HUGE BAG OF DICKS!!! I don't post much, and I had a small issue with something that fkn was more than happy to reply with his knowledge and assistance.
This reminds me of many many years ago while working for a call center. Stupid user calls and gives you the worst description possible. Then you wind up having to write a thesis in order to get the information you need because they can't even describe the issue. At least they weren't trying to make changes to the system, they were just using it b/c they were smart enough not to try and modify something they know jack about.
The problem here is ESTO (Equipment Superior To User)
So we need explicit written permission to modify any kind of open source now? When did the open source community get like this? My ROM thread was shut down due to the fact that I did not receive prior permission to use the ROM it was based off of. This would mean that each dev would need explicit permission from google to mod their initial code. Please remember that while our devs work hard, none of them produced the initial source. This means that we all have equal rights to the whole thing. When did the community get this way? I'm disappointed. Maybe it is time to move away from XDA...
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So we need explicit written permission to modify any kind of open source now? When did the open source community get like this? My ROM thread was shut down due to the fact that I did not receive prior permission to use the ROM it was based off of. This would mean that each dev would need explicit permission from google to mod their initial code. Please remember that while our devs work hard, none of them produced the initial source. This means that we all have equal rights to the whole thing. When did the community get this way? I'm disappointed. Maybe it is time to move away from XDA...
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Read the rules much:
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, youMUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If adispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact amoderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with alicense that waives these rules.
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Ok, that was my fault. But I'm going to need everyone to credit Google on every ROM posted. No one on here developed the initial source code. One person gets a ROM working on a phone, it gets modded, but only Google is the true dev.
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Ok, that was my fault. But I'm going to need everyone to credit Google on every ROM posted. No one on here developed the initial source code. One person gets a ROM working on a phone, it gets modded, but only Google is the true dev.
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Google is not a member of this forum
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Doesn't matter if they are even aware of the forum. Give credit where credit is due. If people want to ruin open source and act like Apple, they should follow their own requests.
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Doesn't matter if they are even aware of the forum. Give credit where credit is due. If people want to ruin open source and act like Apple, they should follow their own requests.
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I'm referencing your OP, no one has to give credit to Google as per forum rules, nor do they probably care
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What I'm talking about is people acting like they own Android. It is not up to them.
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What I'm talking about is people acting like they own Android. It is not up to them.
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It is about respect to your fellow developers and community members, not ownership, or who was first, or any stupid stuff that goes along with it. Just respect. You know you didn't create something, so show some respect to the people who did, remember... without them you would have nothing to add to and call your own.
That is not what I'm being told. I'm told that it is about ownership by a mod.
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It is about respect to your fellow developers and community members, not ownership, or who was first, or any stupid stuff that goes along with it. Just respect. You know you didn't create something, so show some respect to the people who did, remember... without them you would have nothing to add to and call your own.
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its not about owning android. They just modded and added their bits. Then, what they want is credit for the bits. Not that hard to five credits is it?
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ROM removed due to kanging and failure to comply with a moderator request.
Looks interesting, glad to see some activity (as many have said befor) again
Some screenshots would be nice. I'm downloading it right now, I'll flash when I have some seconds to spare.
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Haha, screenshots are only needed if you haven't used GOV2, but ill include them soon for everyone.
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Wow....SMH....Nice to see you kanged my tweaks I let you use in generic ginger and the build.prop tweaks as well. Sigh....I see you also failed to give Ayoteddy and sduvick credit for the base either. You my friend are a pure KANGER plan and simple. I only gave permission for you to use my scripts and tweaks in generic ginger. This is what happens to me when I try to be nice. Not anymore.
You have been reported to mods and im sure a ban hammer will follow.
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I gave credits to ya, so you my friend, I could care less. Ill just keep changing my IP and reposting it. Good luck.
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Also, your tweaks aren't copyrighted. Its open source, this is for everyone to use. If you can't create a good ROM, me and my team will do it for everyone else.
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Also, your tweaks aren't copyrighted. Its open source, this is for everyone to use. If you can't create a good ROM, me and my team will do it for everyone else.
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Actually the patents are pending....Either way you could at least had the respect to ask me first. I helped you out of the kindness of my heart. I do not take donations for what i do. All I ask is for proper credit. Nothing more.....And you got your idea of "open source" all twisted. Google willingly open sources there Code. Google is under zero obligation to post source code. How ever....The kernel which is linux based falls under GPL License which is a requirement under GPL to be open sourced. No where in the GPL Agreement does "Scripts" or "Tweaks" fall under GPL. So next time do your research before you start speaking non sense.
Now let me be VERY VERY clear in my next statement...DO NOT POST ANYTHING OF MINE IN YOUR ROM WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. Per Xda rules you need to obtain permission from the author of the Rom/Script/kernel before posting and give proper credit. Now I will be watching you like a hawk. I will let this slide this once. DONT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
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Well, I never gave up development for GenericGinger so I did nothing wrong. Reviewers removed me from the OP, and said I wasn't maintaining the ROM. So I made my own. Sorry if you feel that way, but I gave you, and everyone else tweaks, and wor credit. Notice the kernel was credited to PDT which is sduvick and ayoteddy, and your tweaks notes are still the same I added my name in as well cause I made adjustments. I understand your concern, but I'm not going to ask permission from someone who doesn't care about the future of the Sidekick 4G because they don't even have one.
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Well, I never gave up development for GenericGinger so I did nothing wrong. Reviewers removed me from the OP, and said I wasn't maintaining the ROM. So I made my own. Sorry if you feel that way, but I gave you, and everyone else tweaks, and wor credit. Notice the kernel was credited to PDT which is sduvick and ayoteddy, and your tweaks notes are still the same I added my name in as well cause I made adjustments. I understand your concern, but I'm not going to ask permission from someone who doesn't care about the future of the Sidekick 4G because they don't even have one.
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Per xda rules you have to ask for permission. Whether you like it or not you will ask before you use my work or you will be reported for kanging. End of story. This isnt open for discussion.
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Why can't we keep the noise to signal ratio in check around here in the development section?
You call yourselves developers? This is a chat room for teenaged modders.
If you two have a problem, take it outside.
orange is right you need to stop, reactive i dont use your mods in my rom anymore because they dont work as well as others i have used, and some were already implemented so chill out is this a popularity contest or are you actually trying to make this phone better.
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orange is right you need to stop, reactive i dont use your mods in my rom anymore because they dont work as well as others i have used, and some were already implemented so chill out is this a popularity contest or are you actually trying to make this phone better.
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I dont have this device so it doesnt matter to be. I was trying to be helpful but that will not happen again. Threads been reported. My work here is done. Freaking kangers.
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As you can see, he started. I've got no problem making this release passworded and hosting it elsewhere if that's what I've gotta do, and have people PM me for the password. And go ahead, report me, why do you think I care? I'm not going to ask permission for open source software, be happy I gave you credits and didn't be immature about it. The fact Hewett and I are the only ones with Sidekicks still doing work should prove something to you. Now, go ahead. Hit the report button, get me banned. Ill see you in 5 minutes with a new thread and account name ready to be copy and pasted.
Edit : Hewett has nothing to do with this, he's simply an aiding developer to a dying phone. Want to ban someone? Ban me, IPV4 has a lot of IP addresses, you can't ban them all.
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As you can see, he started. I've got no problem making this release passworded and hosting it elsewhere if that's what I've gotta do, and have people PM me for the password. And go ahead, report me, why do you think I care? I'm not going to ask permission for open source software, be happy I gave you credits and didn't be immature about it. The fact Hewett and I are the only ones with Sidekicks still doing work should prove something to you. Now, go ahead. Hit the report button, get me banned. Ill see you in 5 minutes with a new thread and account name ready to be copy and pasted.
Edit : Hewett has nothing to do with this, he's simply an aiding developer to a dying phone. Want to ban someone? Ban me, IPV4 has a lot of IP addresses, you can't ban them all.
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And you will keep getting banned over and over
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That's cool. I don't think I really care. What are you, 2 years old? I'm still gonna release it over and over again. And ill make a torrent. =) everyone should be able to enjoy our hard work.
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That's cool. I don't think I really care. What are you, 2 years old? I'm still gonna release it over and over again. And ill make a torrent. =) everyone should be able to enjoy our hard work.
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Lmao...."OUR" hard work??? I think you meant to say ayoteddy, sduvick, and reactivedisorders hard work. Ayoteddy and sduvick made the base rom and theme and I supplied the scripts and tweaks...All you did was kang it and change the title. Lmfao.
Ya our "hard work".....you are the reason this device is dead. Im glad the scripts i gave you were nothing more then a bunch of random mumbo jumbo. I had a feeling from the gecko you were shadey. Oh well...reviewers has the real scripts You sir just got punk'd.
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Ok, this is working for me phone and all!
It is not quite the same theme as GOv2 because the power-widget is not transparent-black (and it is missing the news&weather widget).
Other then that, seems same as GOv2 but a bit faster.
Can we get back on topic. ReActiveDisorder should be banned from this thread and JiN1337 should be banned from his if he's even posting there. No body owns a script or text-file "tweaks". You didn't write the code that does something, you just learned of its existence and enabled it. Fighting over INI files... really?
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Lmao...."OUR" hard work??? I think you meant to say ayoteddy, sduvick, and reactivedisorders hard work. Ayoteddy and sduvick made the base rom and theme and I supplied the scripts and tweaks...All you did was kang it and change the title. Lmfao.
Ya our "hard work".....you are the reason this device is dead. Im glad the scripts i gave you were nothing more then a bunch of random mumbo jumbo. I had a feeling from the gecko you were shadey. Oh well...reviewers has the real scripts You sir just got punk'd.
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Well, your mumbo jumbo is working wonders for the ROM, thank-you!
JiN1337 said:
Well, your mumbo jumbo is working wonders for the ROM, thank-you!
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Lol. Its just a placebo affect
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ReActiveDisorder said:
Lol. Its just a placebo affect
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You're a horrible liar, lol.
Code:
http://pastebin.com/UpENaMBv
Half of the tweaks you used are in here, and they have been proven to work. Mhm.
This may come off as somewhat of a rant but this has bothered me for sometime now. Whenever a rom developer releases a new version they include a change log. That change log tells you what they added or took away obviously.
Now my question is why would a developer add in the change log "even more!" added to every change log as if it would increase my excitement to try the rom?
My personal opinion is that it doesn't increase my excitement . To me It makes the developer look unprofessional. It makes it seem as if the developer did not keep notes of every change they made to the new version. It makes me think they add it to try and get more donations from their loyal fans.
As a programmer details are important and I want details. Adding in fluff is not necessary and makes the rom look unattractive to those who know what they are actually doing when they flash someone else's rom.
Would you risk putting sand in your gas tank if it was advertised to increase mileage? Then why would you do it to a expensive piece of equipment you purchased?
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Xhyperion said:
This may come off as somewhat of a rant but this has bothered me for sometime now. Whenever a rom developer releases a new version they include a change log. That change log tells you what they added or took away obviously.
Now my question is why would a developer add in the change log "even more!" added to every change log as if it would increase my excitement to try the rom?
My personal opinion is that it doesn't increase my excitement . To me It makes the developer look unprofessional. It makes it seem as if the developer did not keep notes of every change they made to the new version. It makes me think they add it to try and get more donations from their loyal fans.
As a programmer details are important and I want details. Adding in fluff is not necessary and makes the rom look unattractive to those who know what they are actually doing when they flash someone else's rom.
Would you risk putting sand in your gas tank if it was advertised to increase mileage? Then why would you do it to a expensive piece of equipment you purchased?
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I completely agree. Writing software professionally requires that you keep a detailed and updated log about the changes you make.
I'd love to go to one of those threads and ask the 'developer', "So.. what do you mean by 'Even more!!'?" (I realize that the punctuation in that last sentence was crazy haha). I'm sure he wouldn't be able to respond, with anything logical. If he surprised me with actual details however, all I'd tell him to do was put that in the damn changelog!
Watching the way XDA has transitioned over the years, I too agree that most of the time it is just a ploy to get more donations. Seems XDA has been going that way for a while now.
You would get flamed immediately.
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Xhyperion said:
You would get flamed immediately.
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Are you talking about me?
That's because many many "developers" are simply not professionals, maybe they are not old enough to understand that or they are not serious about development and are just learning. Think you are talking about cooks though.
Guys you have to remember. This is a hobby to most people and they do it for fun not professionally. Its easier with aosp as you can see the changes on the git.
Wayne Tech S-III
regaw_leinad said:
Are you talking about me?
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No. You asked what would happen if you asked a dev about it. My response was that you would get flamed.
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I realize most people who do it steal someone else's rom, make a few changes and try to get donations.
There is some dev for my phone that is on version 20 of his rom and only has 2k views. Every change log says "even more! I cant remember". Seems sketchy. Anyway you guys get the idea. Be honest and professional about a rom.
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Its a hobby and for fun you don't have to be professional about it heck if w developer wanted to he could right go fk yourself in the change log in fact one of our developers does that but he makes one of the best ROMs lol
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roofrider said:
Ah..one has arrived.
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Well its simply the truth lol
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bbrad said:
Well its simply the truth lol
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That's how it is sadly, but there are 'devs' without 'RD' titles who do it for hobby, support multiple devices, take no donations because it is their hobby and give proper changelogs with link to gerrit. It depends on the individual.