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Were are all the full odin and samsung .exe install files?

Ok its been a day and then some so were are the full odin and full samsung install files so that we may test ec05 to see wha= is the best way to develope a rom based off of ec05. I say use jourling for ext4 and keep sprint id and carrier iq as realy folks what's the big deal over carrier iq?
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Are u serious?
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Yes I am
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inb4 "moved to Q&A"

Your the same one *****ing in the other thread about our moderator and people not posting in the right section and you post this on the development section? Make your own rom with carrier IQ and sprint id if you want it so bad.
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Well I'm sure he might if the devs here on xda didn't feel it necessary to keep the update from everyone by only releasing their roms based off it, for an open source community the devs here sure like to act like selfish little internet fame seekers, true open source developers would have shared the update the moment they got their hands on it in unmodified form so everyone could take a stab at it, just goes to show you what xda is really based around
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Zeinzu said:
true open source developers would have shared the update the moment they got their hands on it in unmodified form so everyone could take a stab at it,
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That's, uh, exactly what the Bonsai team did. The links have been removed by mods, but they released a stock deodexed EC05.

Curious as to why that was? What rules was it violating? They didn't say what rules just that it was closed until it complied...
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They required donations I believe, sounds real opensource to me, the devs here are a real credit to the opensource community (sarcasm)
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buddickman said:
Ok its been a day and then some so were are the full odin and full samsung install files so that we may test ec05 to see wha= is the best way to develope a rom based off of ec05. I say use jourling for ext4 and keep sprint id and carrier iq as realy folks what's the big deal over carrier iq?
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^this is your brain on drugs^

Zeinzu said:
They required donations I believe, sounds real opensource to me, the devs here are a real credit to the opensource community (sarcasm)
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Nice job posting what you don't know about... the thread was closed because it linked to their personll site you have to register for. It is completely free. Donations are asked for, not required, but they are asked for by every dev.
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Then exactly what rule did they break and where/what is the link to their site, seems like xda is going out of its way to make things difficult
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Zeinzu said:
Then exactly what rule did they break and where/what is the link to their site, seems like xda is going out of its way to make things difficult
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Search and Google are your friend, this dead horse has been kicked way to many times.

Zeinzu said:
They required donations I believe, sounds real opensource to me, the devs here are a real credit to the opensource community (sarcasm)
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You my friend are an absoulute idiot. Please search before you run your mouth and.make yourself look stupid like you did.
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Thread closed. We do not tolerate these threads, especially not posted by banned users on a new account

UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night. now what?

UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night. Thanks to all who have donated!
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134592
i made a contribution, albeit small and now just wondering what might be coming to XDA now that ihtfp69 has his TB. anyone have any info on the latest greatest?
thanks
mark

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UPDATE: ihtfp69 ordered his Thunderbolt last night, now just wondering what might be coming to XDA now that ihtfp69 has his TB.
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Nothing, he's leaving XDA but he will be on the BAMF forums from what I've read.

Any link to bamf forum? I tried Google but no luck.
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teambamf.net

I said this in the Inc forums, I don't know what's making him leave here to go to some dinky forum.

It's the new cool kid hang out, duh

Maybe he, like others, has grown tired of the attitudes here. Xda is not the end all be all of forums, nor is it the entire android community. Perhaps he felt it was more conductive to the development of his roms to move to a forum where they do not allow things to be named after drugs and heinous crimes while banning people over mentioning god.
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I find it so ironic when ppl talked smack about one dev "taking his toys (roms) & leaving the playground" and then another dev left xda with a device that was obtained with the help of xda donations. Sure, once you buy something you can do what you want with it, but that is quite literally "taking your toys & leaving the playground". I would have been so pissed if I had contributed to that.
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I find it so ironic when ppl talked smack about one dev "taking his toys (roms) & leaving the playground" and then another dev left xda with a device that was obtained with the help of xda donations. Sure, once you buy something you can do what you want with it, but that is quite literally "taking your toys & leaving the playground". I would have been so pissed if I had contributed to that.
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Was it done so that he could dev for the thunderbolt or dev strictly for Xda. If the first, well he is doing that, simply on a site he has more control over
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Just cause they left xda does not mean they stopped their work, is it oh so difficult to subscribe to their private forum? Or does it have to do with the fact most of the people here feel they are entitled to have it the way they want it or not at all, our are you just that lazy? Dam 1500 people havd followed them already, just like chingy had every right to do what he did, just because you want it your way doesn't mean you are gonna get it.
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Just cause they left xda does not mean they stopped their work, is it oh so difficult to subscribe to their private forum? Or does it have to do with the fact most of the people here feel they are entitled to have it the way they want it or not at all, our are you just that lazy? Dam 1500 people havd followed them already, just like chingy had every right to do what he did, just because you want it your way doesn't mean you are gonna get it.
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As I said, once you buy something it's yours to do what you want with. Yes, you can find the dev elsewhere, and one can only assume he will continue developing for a device that was at least partially funded with donation money. But it's the principle of it all. Donations to devs *after* a software project has been released is one thing. Donations to a dev with the stated purpose of obtaining a device -- and the implied expectation of developing for the donating user base -- is quite a different matter. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it this way, but if I had donated to help buy a phone for someone & they left that forum, I would feel used & abandoned, and proly a little resentful.
Just sayin'
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Have friend ask XDA for money. Get money. Leave XDA.... Profit.

psufan5 said:
Have friend ask XDA for money. Get money. Leave XDA.... Profit.
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This is a bit ridiculous. Where in the bounty thread did it say all ROMs/mods you develop for the Thunderbolt are to be exclusively released on XDA?
He is still working and if you are running a sense ROM right now then you are probably using at least one of his mods right now.
Just wait a bit and see what he has in store, and chill out about where the files will be released.
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This is a bit ridiculous. Where in the bounty thread did it say all ROMs/mods you develop for the Thunderbolt are to be exclusively released on XDA?
He is still working and if you are running a sense ROM right now then you are probably using at least one of his mods right now.
Just wait a bit and see what he has in store, and chill out about where the files will be released.
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Generally when you advertise on a website for donations, you give that website the benefit of the doubt with your release/loyalty.
But no, just ask for donations through a proxy then leave the site.

Require permission to modify ROM?

So we need explicit written permission to modify any kind of open source now? When did the open source community get like this? My ROM thread was shut down due to the fact that I did not receive prior permission to use the ROM it was based off of. This would mean that each dev would need explicit permission from google to mod their initial code. Please remember that while our devs work hard, none of them produced the initial source. This means that we all have equal rights to the whole thing. When did the community get this way? I'm disappointed. Maybe it is time to move away from XDA...
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So we need explicit written permission to modify any kind of open source now? When did the open source community get like this? My ROM thread was shut down due to the fact that I did not receive prior permission to use the ROM it was based off of. This would mean that each dev would need explicit permission from google to mod their initial code. Please remember that while our devs work hard, none of them produced the initial source. This means that we all have equal rights to the whole thing. When did the community get this way? I'm disappointed. Maybe it is time to move away from XDA...
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Read the rules much:
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, youMUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If adispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact amoderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with alicense that waives these rules.
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Ok, that was my fault. But I'm going to need everyone to credit Google on every ROM posted. No one on here developed the initial source code. One person gets a ROM working on a phone, it gets modded, but only Google is the true dev.
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mazwoz said:
Ok, that was my fault. But I'm going to need everyone to credit Google on every ROM posted. No one on here developed the initial source code. One person gets a ROM working on a phone, it gets modded, but only Google is the true dev.
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Google is not a member of this forum
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Doesn't matter if they are even aware of the forum. Give credit where credit is due. If people want to ruin open source and act like Apple, they should follow their own requests.
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Doesn't matter if they are even aware of the forum. Give credit where credit is due. If people want to ruin open source and act like Apple, they should follow their own requests.
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I'm referencing your OP, no one has to give credit to Google as per forum rules, nor do they probably care
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What I'm talking about is people acting like they own Android. It is not up to them.
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mazwoz said:
What I'm talking about is people acting like they own Android. It is not up to them.
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It is about respect to your fellow developers and community members, not ownership, or who was first, or any stupid stuff that goes along with it. Just respect. You know you didn't create something, so show some respect to the people who did, remember... without them you would have nothing to add to and call your own.

That is not what I'm being told. I'm told that it is about ownership by a mod.
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It is about respect to your fellow developers and community members, not ownership, or who was first, or any stupid stuff that goes along with it. Just respect. You know you didn't create something, so show some respect to the people who did, remember... without them you would have nothing to add to and call your own.
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its not about owning android. They just modded and added their bits. Then, what they want is credit for the bits. Not that hard to five credits is it?
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[Q] What is KANGING?

The reason I pose this question is because it is a precursor to a debate point which I later want to get to but in order to do that, there needs to be an objective definition.
What I would is for people to share their understanding of what KANGING is.
To me, KANGING is taking another developers code and creating something else with it.
This can be as simple as compiling android with an extended menu.

You pretty much got it. To copy and make your own or just to copy.

I don't like the term. The whole point of open source software is to allow others to freely take and modify your own code, which was also built off of other people's code. As long as credit is given where due, what the heck is the problem? Sure, I understand taking someone's work, barely modifying it, and calling it your own can be looked down upon, but as long as credit is given to the original author(s), it is allowed.
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Where did the term originate? Did someone way back in the day rip off code and his name happened to be Kang?

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Where did the term originate? Did someone way back in the day rip off code and his name happened to be Kang?
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You got it...kind of. Kang was not the actual last name though.

armoguy94 said:
Sure, I understand taking someone's work, barely modifying it, and calling it your own can be looked down upon
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Pretty sure this is more of where the term came from and why it upsets people, but add "without permission and/or credit."
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Yeah, if someone specifically licenses their code to require permission... It is not as if the original coder asked permission from Google, Samsung, or whoever else to use their code. They made it freely available so anyone can freely modify and release it for free, as well. I think people here need to accept that fact. This is what is so great about open source software. However, if someone is releasing your modified work as their own without giving credit, that is a problem.
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Yeah, if someone specifically licenses their code to require permission... It is not as if the original coder asked permission from Google, Samsung, or whoever else to use their code. They made it freely available so anyone can freely modify and release it for free, as well. I think people here need to accept that fact. This is what is so great about open source software. However, if someone is releasing your modified work as their own without giving credit, that is a problem.
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Just to put something else out there based on this, what if the credit is in the source code. Just doesn't appear on the release page because of some random reason.
Does the definition change? Is it still KANG? Is it stolen? What's the thoughts?
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Just to put something else out there based on this, what if the credit is in the source code. Just doesn't appear on the release page because of some random reason.
Does the definition change? Is it still KANG? Is it stolen? What's the thoughts?
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I'm not sure, but that's unlikely to happen.. if anyone is ever in that position, they should just not be sleezey and give credit where due.

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I'm not sure, but that's unlikely to happen.. if anyone is ever in that position, they should just not be sleezey and give credit where due.
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This is where I would disagree, giving credit on a forum post isn't necessarily better than having the credits in the source code. Thinking as a developer, it would be much more important to me to have my name on top of a code snippet.
I would also like to point to XDA Rule #12 for this thinking.

If it violates the rules posted in this new thread by kenthepenn, it's Kanging:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508510

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If it violates the rules posted in this new thread by kenthepenn, it's Kanging:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508510
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Be specific, your own words. All of us already have access to that post and we can see it on our own, no point in regurgitating. Think about it like law, everyone has access to the written version, it is interpretation that's important.

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Be specific, your own words. All of us already have access to that post and we can see it on our own, no point in regurgitating. Think about it like law, everyone has access to the written version, it is interpretation that's important.
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Specifically this has already been answered. In responses here and in that thread I linked to. Maybe you should just tell us what your angle is here, clearly you have one...
EDIT: Just realized that sounded kind of dickish. Sorry, rough day.
I think it is the same thing as plagiarism. It's just wrong. You should ask permission and attribute. Don't take others work and pass it off as your own. Basic ethics.
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Specifically this has already been answered. In responses here and in that thread I linked to. Maybe you should just tell us what your angle is here, clearly you have one...
EDIT: Just realized that sounded kind of dickish. Sorry, rough day.
I think it is the same thing as plagiarism. It's just wrong. You should ask permission and attribute. Don't take others work and pass it off as your own. Basic ethics.
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I did share my view OP bro. The reason I'm asking is also in the OP.
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I did share my view OP bro. The reason I'm asking is also in the OP.
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I saw that. But you also said it was a precursor to a debate point you would get to. What's up for debate? The part about asking permission first?
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I saw that. But you also said it was a precursor to a debate point you would get to. What's up for debate? The part about asking permission first?
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Now you're just getting impatient and ahead of yourself. Just wait.
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An email a day.

I know for other devices when you can't get source code or drivers the community will email the culprit every day until the source or drivers are released. With all the complaining about it in this forum I wonder why we haven't done this here.
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oh but we have twitter to email all of it was done

Well i will start mail bombing them for sure its a good idea and at this point i will go as far as to say we have better devs than they do so let the *****ing begin
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What do we want?!
Source Code!!!
When do we want it?!
NOW!!
lol

I.R.Chevy said:
Well i will start mail bombing them for sure its a good idea and at this point i will go as far as to say we have better devs than they do so let the *****ing begin
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What do we want?!
Source Code!!!
When do we want it?!
NOW!!
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The problem is, who do we email?
Some would say LG, some would say NVidia.
It seems counterproductive to email the company that can't do anything about it because of the other.

The we email EVERYONE.
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I.R.Chevy said:
The we email EVERYONE.
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Then they mark you as spam and move on.

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Then they mark you as spam and move on.
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Yeah, unfortunately, these companies are smarter than we think.
If we could get a BIG group of people then it may work.

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Yeah, unfortunately, these companies are smarter than we think.
If we could get a BIG group of people then it may work.
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We did this already and they responded a few times nvidia and lg, they just stated what it is the obvious and written all over their sites I'll post links when I get to my computer later.
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here are some links that show Nvidia's response to things
http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/...ia-going-to-open-source-the-hal-components/p1
Ricardo's thread on G+ about things
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
from azuske (part of the team that was compiling ICS for use about 3 months ago)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19825156&postcount=539
the thread that had a bunch of people doing the ban/boycott/tell off Nvidia
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309620&page=52
so on and so on, about how many times Nvidia has pointed out that they are not open source... LG stating that it is Nvidia, and then Nvidia saying it is LG's doings ...

Twitter stuff doesnt cost a company money. Emailing requests to their customer service from every user on this forum does. Even if we have to use new emails every day to do it.
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Call is better imo.. hold their lines n increase expenses.
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Social media works very well IMHO. I had an ongoing gripe with T-Mobile that I wasn't able to solve even after multiple phone calls and chats and speaking to managers. I blasted them on Twitter and voila. Not only did I get the problem taken care of, but I got an EVP of customer service to call me back, and an extremely deeply discounted phone out of the deal. If you want to look at a good example of using social media to force a company's hand, look at the #NeverAgain movement with the Vibrant.

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Social media works very well IMHO. I had an ongoing gripe with T-Mobile that I wasn't able to solve even after multiple phone calls and chats and speaking to managers. I blasted them on Twitter and voila. Not only did I get the problem taken care of, but I got an EVP of customer service to call me back, and an extremely deeply discounted phone out of the deal. If you want to look at a good example of using social media to force a company's hand, look at the #NeverAgain movement with the Vibrant.
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I agree with him.....We could use twitter or facebook since it becomes more public and many people then start to get involved......

Double post

Why do all this after they have already replied to an attack lol... are you guys too lazy to click and read the links? Besides I think the time to attack them will be at the end of the 2nd quarter if ICS isn't released to the o2x or us for that matter...they said we aren't getting the drivers and thats that....
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Why do all this after they have already replied to an attack lol... are you guys too lazy to click and read the links? Besides I think the time to attack them will be at the end of the 2nd quarter if ICS isn't released to the o2x or us for that matter...they said we aren't getting the drivers and thats that....
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Yeah I guess your right but I'm sure its not going to be on time or any good lol
Pin it to Win it.

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Yeah I guess your right but I'm sure its not going to be on time or any good lol
Pin it to Win it.
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True, neither were GB roms until after all the work our devs put into them the same will go for ICS if it does come out. The devs will have everything they need to make it awesome. Even though they are going a hell of a job now, no pun intended lol.
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mt3g said:
Why do all this after they have already replied to an attack lol... are you guys too lazy to click and read the links? Besides I think the time to attack them will be at the end of the 2nd quarter if ICS isn't released to the o2x or us for that matter...they said we aren't getting the drivers and thats that....
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I saw the boycott lg thing on twitter. I saw the responses where lg says nvidia told them not to release HAL.
Nvidia is wrong. Even if they are following the letter of the law they are violating the spirit and intention of open source.
It would be nice if Google did the right thing and sued them.
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I saw the boycott lg thing on twitter. I saw the responses where lg says nvidia told them not to release HAL.
Nvidia is wrong. Even if they are following the letter of the law they are violating the spirit and intention of open source.
It would be nice if Google did the right thing and sued them.
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I'd say we make twitter accounts to bomb their accounts with requests. That way it's a bit more public, and harder to ignore.