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Can I have it?

First off you are in the wrong section
Second, I personally love my android phones. I don't exactly know why you are having speed issues... have you tried cursorsence? I installed it yesterday and I love it. There should be an overclock app in the market that could increase performance. Past that I'm not too sure of the problem.

If you're using MyHero you might as well sell your phone to someone smarter.

Im tired of thinking there are people like you in the world that think everything they want is the way it is. Spoiled little brats like yourself who know nothing of anything outside your little world where your handed everything in life or you cry and make everyone aware of it so you get the attention.
So.. your tired of not knowing what your doing when everyone else seems tobe fine? Well, were tired of people like you coming into our forums to whine about things that make no sense and to demand things completely outlandish.
Noone here is here for YOU. So please.. I beg you, find a new hobby, because this one seems a bit to high out of your reach. Maybe try coloring books?
Oh.. and you say the touch keyboards are so slow... You do understand that "predictive text" doesnt mean it knows what you are going to type before you do right? lol

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I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times

ichijin said:
I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times
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Try SuperD 1.6 or 1.4

aotiko said:
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How exactly is the world tired of people who don't like overrated products? Maybe the world is tired of people like you who love mediocrity. It is literally impossible for you people to not have speed issues. Every single person here has complained about it so dont make it seem like you "figured it all out". Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow. And having the solution to root your phone to make it at a tolerable speed isnt acceptable for buying a phone for $500.
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What he means is no body force you to get this device.
If there is something else you like better go get it and leave this place.
I don't even want to begin guessing what "Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow" means. Because if you're reffering to the Droid and Nexus One you could not be ANY FARTHER from the truth.
You have no facts, you say rooting is the only way to speed up a phone which is clearly wrong.
Why would people want to rip you a new one. You're a troll.

I agree in some way with you aotiko, fortunately my magic only cost's me 170€ without any contract otherwise for 500$ i had gone for an iphone.
typing some times is reallt slow, i'm on the snd word and the android is still writing the first (i'm now using the 2.1 and it is much better).
multi touch sucks, multi tasking is horrible because everything gets slower! (this was on my original 1.5, 2.1 i'm using since today so I still don't have an opinion)
keyboard is not as precise as iphone is (better on 2.0 too, the vibrate on is working much better).
battery life isn't worst but it is not good.
And what bugs me is that apple with a cpu with same velocity as magic done a f*cking fast phone with the 3gs! even with multi tasks on after jailbreak is is much faster, and as I've said CPU have the same speed as magic!
What hct and all other brands do is just increasing cpu speed, don't worry about sW optimisation and that is not good.
It looks like what intel and AMD done in the past in the pentium generation, more cpu clock, better. And it finally come to an end when problems with heat and stuff like that appear.
In the overall I still like my magic, but I won't if i had paid 500$!
just my 2 cents

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I have an HTC Magic 32A and i'm sick of it. It's so slow I don't even like using it anymore. I try all the roms that people claim are "EXTREMELY FAST!!!" and they are STILL slow. The scrolling on text messages, in a browser, or even in menus is very jittery. Android users are always ripping on iphones how they can't multitask until you jailbreak them but people root android phones to make them usably fast which isn't even that helpful. I don't see how I can possibly be doing anything wrong. Does everyone here secretly not enjoy their phones and that's why they are always here to find a ROM that they can actually use? I tell everyone I love it but I really don't. The keyboard is always behind in typing, even in a store on a brand new phone. It really seems like Google released android in a very very very early beta stage just so they won't fall behind in market share.
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Blow it out your ass!
Seriously, this forum is literally full of satisfied Android phone owners! If you are not satisfied with your phone, talk the store that sold it to you. Stop whining here.
My two cents...

cursordroid said:
Blow it out your ass!
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I think it would be better if I sacrifice myself and take his phone, since he doesn't like it !!!

is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)

MMartins said:
is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)
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Yes people are entitled to their opinion. But when someone comes here criticizing the work of these wonderful devs and making baseless arguments. They should leave.
Get an iPhone, and don't come back here. Simple as that.

I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.

MMartins said:
I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.
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I'm not talking about you. Read the OP. Ungrateful for the for of these devs that do their work for simply donations.

i paid 200$ + 35$ activation fee and regret it everyday.
yes i have a stable and "fast" rom and i know how to use my root/sd card and all the settings, but id rather not have to go thru all the non sense.
if i could do it all over again i would have either waited for the android development to get to where we need it or just went with an iphone.

ALL this arguments just because JAVA.

BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.

darvo said:
BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.
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Yea im sure too. Cant wait for the Nexus1 to be released in Denmark though

Thoughts on Android.....

As CES nears i began to thing about what phone will i upgrade to. I am using a Droid Eris with 2.2 right now and its becoming out of date. So like many of you I have been to look at upgrades and what I want to get. Then I thought.....do you have to root your android to enjoy it? I know you can wait for new software, but it seems that the hardware is moving aso quick that your phone will be "out of date" within a few months if you don't root it. EOL for the Eris was Mayish of 2010....not a long life for a phone that was released in November of 09. So I have looked elsewhere. I am looking for Verizon to show a WP7 device at CES and the iPhone to follow after that. What are you thoughts? Do you need to root your phone to enjoy it? Do you feel that Android is the "rebel" of the Smartphone world?
-56K

The myTouch 4G from T-Mobile is an awesome phone. 768MB of RAM, 1Ghz. processor. It's very fast and responsive. You would not be disappointed.

Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.

56K said:
Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.
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Sorry. I can't stand V. I left them years ago and never looked back. Good luck.
Sent from my MT4G on America's largest 4G network!

i had a Nexus One and EVO prior to getting my DroidX. which is very unfriendly towards custom roms and other hacking fun.
needless to say i miss the Nexus and EVO immensely, half the fun for me was flashing custom roms and tinkering with stuff.

I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.

My thought is this. You must root your phone if your a phone junky. Other wise we would all get bored quickly. There isn't enough high quality apps to keep me from rooting and changing things on the phone. Also I feel like I need to change phones at least once a year or I'm not happy lol.
Sent from my shoe, I mean....Epic shoe... I mean Samsung Epic! http://mobilehighway.blogspot.com/

See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......

56K said:
I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.
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I came from the Hero. I'm on a vibrant now, and loving it. There is a app on Android for adding removing and messaging Xbox live friends. Pretty much the same thing on WP7, minus the points you earn playing games.
I had no reason to root my phone but I couldn't resist the urge.

Now now. There is no reason to do something that drastic. Stay with Android. Lol
Sent from my shoe, I mean....Epic shoe... I mean Samsung Epic! http://mobilehighway.blogspot.com/

56K said:
See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......
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What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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TheBiles said:
What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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No beef with rooting at all, but that is my point, do you have to root to enjoy your android? I know it ipens options but the developers from the big apps are slow to the android game.....

I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.

bnrbranding said:
I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.
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That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.

56K said:
That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.
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How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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TheBiles said:
How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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I agree but it seems that the Android devices are so spread out that it gives the developers hell. For example look at Angry Birds. They are developing 2 versions for "one" OS.

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About Rooting:
I don't have to be rooted but I definitely enjoy the phone more because I am. I don't have to pay additional tethering fees to my carrier because rooting allows me to do this for free. I don't have to wait for carriers to send an OTA of the next version of Android because my rooted phone allows me to upload ROMs made by the awesome devs we have here at XDA.
About Apps:
Android's marketshare is rising exponentially. I am definitely seeing more application development for the platform and a lot of popular iPhone apps being ported over as well. I admit that Android's Marketplace isn't as intuitive as the App Store but it is getting better. I recommend checking out Appbrain if you want a better market experience on Android.
About Fragmentation:
Its openness is a double-edged sword in my opinion. Openness allows a multitude of different products to be running your OS but it also causes fragmentation because of all the skins manufactures choose to run on top of it. Take a look at the Motorola Droid, it runs Stock Android and it received Eclair and Froyo relatively fast because of it. Now take the Galaxy S series running a Touchwiz version of Android, all of these devices were released this year and have none have received Froyo when the Motorola Droid was released last year and does have Froyo. 95% of typical android users probably don't know what version of Android they are running anyway so it could be that manufactures aren't putting it as high priority because their customers don't care. 2.2 to 2.3 isn't a very big leap outside of aesthetics.

Good post. I only started this thread to get some good conversation.. I am not against rooting, against Android, against iOS, or WP7. I just like to keep my options open.

^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.

vetvito said:
^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.
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Good Point.

The Captivate's "useful life" expectancy....?

Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.

Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.

Aquarianperry said:
Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.

SkitchBeatz said:
It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.

A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.

Miami_Son said:
A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory

boborone said:
yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?

The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.

MastaBetta said:
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.

so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!

MastaBetta said:
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!

Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
Sent from my captivate on a rock in the middle of the ocean!

I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.

Dante04SRT said:
That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon

cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.

IPhone trying to ban sales of Galaxy phones in Europe

IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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The major selling point of the s2 is the fact that it's the only hardware accelerated android phone. Throw cm7 or miui on there and its just another mediocre android device that's completely unimpressive. Unless either miui or cm plan on writing brand new drivers and Samsung intends to offer some sort of licensing deal then there's no real plus side to it.

Apple is pretty obnoxious. Their patents are ridiculously general

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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Not trying, actually doing. This time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.

MartyLK said:
his time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.
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No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.

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No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.
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its still just another laggy android phone without samsungs drivers.

Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this one is getting boring.

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Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this is is getting boring.
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nonsensical post first of all, second of all android did seem smooth til I got something smoother. Now every time I try to use an android device, gs2 included, I notice these little catches that I wouldn't have even seen before but now make the phone feel like I paid 500 dollars for feel cheap.

Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.

protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.

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Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.
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I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense. Android is slow which is one of many faults in it, I like a phone that just works, nothing I have to crack flash roms to, nothing I have to download 40 apps to before it has basic functions, and certainly nothing that lags relentlessly and force closes on me. I just wanted a device that works how a smartphone should without spending days or weeks making it do so before the phone became moderately useful.

just to make sure you guys don't forget, considering my last reminder was on page 1:
don't feed the troll.

I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.

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I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.
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iPhones are horrendous aside from the app market, the UI is more cluttered than android though admittedly more uniform, and the hardware offers no choices. I am a long time winmo user and for a year and a half used android, I still have 14 android phones that dont get used. I'm just always on the lookout for the best. I'm a fanboy of no OS, whatever is best is what I use.

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I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense.
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Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
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I'm a fanboy of no OS
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You're capable of saying that with a straight face? Impressive. Very impressive. Oh, and LOL.
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of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.
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Oh please. You have a brain. Use it.

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protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.
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Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.

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Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
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of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.

oka1 said:
Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.
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so they're combining the efforts of the xda community, google, and all of the OEMs to make an OS work almost as well as wp7 and (sadly) IOS do? Of course people will still have full system access to slow it down.

z33 i perfectly understand the point you wanna make here. I know you're not a simple troll, just a quite informed and very very picky user (like i am after all). Tbh i wasn't really likely to pick another android phone in the latest months, because i was (and i actually still am) disappointed about how the aosp is managed by google. After a year of usage i came to the conclusion that android os has many, MANY flaws. I started considering other devices, like wp7 phones, the iphone and even the new bold 9900, but after a lot of reflections i came to a quite simple conclusion: sure android isn't perfect, but jumping ship to any other os would have still felt like a downgrade to me, being used to what android offers to users: it simply felt like not having a real choice. Basically i (re)discovered that messing up my phone and being able to plug it to every pc or mac as a mere mass storage is actually something i like and need. So a couple weeks ago i looked around, checked which one was the most up to date and powerful android phone and picked up my sgs2, simple as that. Now i'm running a simple aosp rom, and i can say i'm not bothered that much about not having samsung's hw accelerated ui (which is a bit of a lie actually: if you load the tw launcher with a few widgets it actually lags): i use opera mobile for browsing, which is totally fast and smooth (buttery smooth), and launcher pro plus as a launcher, which is virtually lag free on this device, regardless how badly you load it with widgets.
It's true, you can see it from what i just said, android is all about workarounds to avoid flaws and bugs, but honestly i prefer *****ing a bit more with my phone to get it running as i like rather than getting any wp7 or ios device that takes no effort to "customize", but at the end of the day is like a wife telling you what you can and can't do
That's the way i see it at least...

Gusar321 said:
No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
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And the Tab isn't included
I expect an update from Google reasonably quickly which will prevent Apple trying the same trick with other companies.
In other news, Nokia have won against Apple, meaning they'll earn royalties from Apple.

Fragmentation is the reason we don't have official gb

I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.

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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.

Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!

diablo009 said:
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there

Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.

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Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".

Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.

MikeyMike01 said:
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.

MikeyMike01 said:
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.

I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Kevinr678 said:
I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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slapshot30 said:
Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.

Ryanscool said:
There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.

Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.

I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/