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Does any body think that if Samsung had been on time with updates such as 2.2 and gotten us up to speed at a decent time that we would still be considered an elite phone instead of one just lagging behind?
IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.
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IMO, the captivate is still elite I love my captivate, even running 100% stock. My friends with iPhone4's even love my captivate.
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How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?
This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??
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This phone can stand toe to toe with any phone on the market, what are you talking about??
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I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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How about in 2 months with the nexus s and galaxy s 2 coming out we will probably be stuck at 2.1 forever?
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If the Nexus S turns out to be a Captivate++ with Stock Gingerbread, I am so buying that phone.
Otherwise, with custom ROMs and such we're doing okay.
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I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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It's called technology. It will happen to the newly released phones as well. If the phone you have still serves its purpose, then why worry about the next generation? Having something simply because it has higher numbers and is "new" or "revolutionary" is just being foolish and listening to a marketing department. Buy something new because what you have is not allowing you to do something.
I am talking about 2.3 and eventually 3.0 not the phones in general, just us never getting up graded to the next OS.
All things aside I do think its bull**** that they can't roll out 2.2. I mean look at the complexities and flexibilities of the android os, I'm pretty sure if they really wanted to they could roll it out to us. But no they're just a bunch of assholes and....nvm /rage
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Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.
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Samsung has given all the Carriers the froyo builds to push to the phones. Its the Carriers that are taking this long to push it not Samsung...
Place your angry comments at which carrier you are on.
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It could have been pushed to the carriers in September in which case we would for sure have gotten it this or last week.
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I am talking about how we will most likely never get 2.3, and then get left behind in the dust.
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What's this based on? Source?
I was under the impression that Samsung has released 2.2 and we're waiting on AT&T.
Is this true or are we waiting for Samsung to get it put together?
Mike
I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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I don't understand why our phones need to be updated through the CARRIER? Makes absolutely zero sense. Here we are updating our phones ourselves using other methods, why not roll it out in a way that DOESNT use att? makes no sense.
I mean u got the ****ing 2.2 build in your hands Google, give it to us yourself! Its an update! Its not like we gotta wait for at&t to roll out updates for our apps and **** right? Ugh x 9999
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It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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It makes sense because the Captivate was built for AT&T and Samsung and AT&T have a contract that stipulates that the carrier approves the updates and tests them prior to deployment.
If you don't want that situation, then you need to buy a carrier free phone - like the i9000 that was sold unlocked from Expansys and other sites.
If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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You're probably right, but I don't think so.
For all we know, the devs of these 2.2 roms work for Google and its just an under the table way of delivering what they know is lacking. Oh what now son oh!
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If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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With the only exception maybe being the iPhone. Which I find that I miss more than the abundance of apps, is the timely updates from Apple.
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If you buy an AT&T (or any other carrier branded phone) then you are stuck waiting for carrier approval. This is true with any brand of phone - Moto, HTC, etc. don't release updates until approved by the carrier.
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Three Words: Windows. Phone. 7.
Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.
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Wow, what a bunch of whining. If you arent savvy enough to install any one of the MANY 2.2 roms out there, why are you complaining that newer, more complicated phones will leave this one in the dust?
Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone. Also, this phone has the minimum specs for android 3.0, from what Ive read, so I dont see why you think we wont be seeing android 3.0. With the way we are modifying roms and kernels right now, even if we didnt get an official 3.0 update, Im sure we would be able to at least port it. These phones are monsters, this thing has better specs than my laptop I got 5 years ago that was about 8X the price.
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What did the text say? Sounds like you got a JI7 update message, especially if you are already running a 2.2 variant.
All the other 2.2 updates from samsung have been done via Kies, so i doubt that will be pushed 2.2. As for current Roms, most are based on beta 2.2 builds, none are 100% perfect - not that Samsung will do much better
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Anyways, I think official 2.2 rolls out soon, just got a text from ATT saying an update will be pushed to my phone.
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Thanks for the laugh.
To the op, patience grasshopper. That and timely donations to the developers here.
Would the Nexus S 4G get ICS at the same time the non 4G version of the NS get ICS? Is there much of a difference from either versions that would delay the NS4G getting Icecream sandwich?
We're not fortune tellers, but the NS4G is the only device to officially have 2.3.5.
No one knows the rollout schedule for ICS. But you can assume that all the Nexus S variants will get ICS eventually. Most likely they will release ICS for the Nexus S variants close to the same time.
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We're not fortune tellers, but the NS4G is the only device to officially have 2.3.5.
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That doesn't really have any bearing on ICS. 2.3.5 was mainly to fix some issues with the 4G Nexus S, so the others aren't receiving it for what most say are extremely minor issues otherwise.
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That doesn't really have any bearing on ICS. 2.3.5 was mainly to fix some issues with the 4G Nexus S, so the others aren't receiving it for what most say are extremely minor issues otherwise.
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So there's not a whole lot of differences between the two variant phone that would delay ICS to the 4G version? Between the two phones the only difference is the wimax chip in the 4G version?
YES the Nexus-S 4G will get Android 4.0 "Ice Cream", we will be the second phone to get it behind the Nexus-Three obviously. I would expect it anywhere from two weeks or two months later, after the Nexus-Three launch, but we will get the official update first before any other phone. Now the gods here at XDA might be able to help us out, and get an official build on the N-S sooner, time will tell.
But high end phones like the EVO-3D and Galaxy S2, will get "Ice Cream" after the Nexus-S, I can say that much.
using old binaries as soon as one of them has it you can just make a sorta working on for the other
one would hope so, just to save face at least from tech blogs laughing at them fragmenting the market or whatever they do
I am getting really fed up with the constant line of BS from both Samsung and AT&T about the release date of Gingerbread on the Captivate. So, yesterday, I spent a couple of hours bugging everyone that I could about it. Twitter feeds were pretty much useless, but I got into a chat with the AT&T service center.
I pointedly asked when Gingerbread would be out on the Captivate. The rep first tried to tell me that she thought it was already out, and started looking for when it was released. I pointed out that it was not yet out, that kies mini had not been released for it, and that both Samsung and AT&T's websites still showed the phone with 2.2.
She stopped typing for a couple of minutes. I asked if there was anyone else that I could contact that would know. That I was extremely disappointed in the experience that I've had with AT&T and the Captivate so far, and that I was definitely not buying another AT&T Samsung phone.
More time passed, as she asked me to hang on while she made some calls. When she returned, she told me that the release schedule was set by Samsung, and that AT&T had already approved GB for the Captivate. Note that this is the opposite story as what I've gotten from Samsung.
She went on to say that the Samsung person who she had just talked to on the phone had told her that it would be "next year" before Captivates are updated to 2.3.
So, take it with a grain of salt, but I would not be surprised. That date is after most of the early adopters are upgrade eligible, and I would bet that they are waiting for us to upgrade to new handsets rather than push out the 2.3 update.
TL;DR: AT&T blames Samsung for delay (Samsung blames AT&T). AT&T service rep says that Samsung is not releasing update until next year.
Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
Guys.. not trying to be mean but, this is a modders forum.. if you haven't already rooted and rommed your phones.. I would encourage it.
At&t can release the official GB update today for all I care.. I am sticking with CM7(gingerbread) and then cm9(Ice cream sandwich).
I got this phone knowing it would take forever to see 2.2 officially.. 2.3 would probably never come out either...
But, it has amazing dev support which is comparable to any phone out there just about.
Wondering when GB will come out, now that ICS is about to be available in rom form just seems futile.
Sure there are a few quirks every so often with roms.. but, most of the time they are as stable as the stock..
If it's not coming why is Sammy wasting it's time, money and energy making an AT&T bloated GB update?
I already have my sights set on the GSII. Been running GB for many months now, anyway.
We all know it is and has been att for a LONG TIME that don't get out the updates in a timely manner. Samsung has actually stepped up its game on getting updates ready. We can see this with how samsung 2.3 leaks with att bloatware already in it MONTHS AGO. So it is definetelh att. Samsung.g has been really quick with putting out source code for newer phones also as an example, all the SGS2'S INCLUDING the att SGS2 had the source code either days before or within a few days of the phone being released. Another example for samsung is the source code (not her the kernel) for the new galaxy nexus has been out for over a week and the phone just got released what yesterday or something.
Unfortunately alot of the great devs have moved onto the ATT SGS2 and other sgs2's but there are still some great devs around here for the cappy. If you follow the i9000 (which still has great support) you can see they are already making ICS working with pretty quick strides. Once they get it working hopefully a dev from this section can reoriented a kernel for the cappy.
So LONG STORY SHORT, DONT WAIT FOR ATT as any of us that got the captivate on/near release date knows. Just get into using modded OS roms and forget about waiting for att. That is why MOST of are actually on a Modding site in the first place, right?
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I could care less about the "official" GB release from AT&T, it's the source code that's important to everyone in the Android community.
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After getting the Captivate in February of this year, I was curious when we would get Foyo. I flashed Cognition 4 within a week of owning the phone. I'm now on GB and do not expect ATT to ever update it or release the official source code.
I'm just going to wait for the Galaxy Nexus when my upgrade in July is available...unless something better comes out by then.
And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
Being apathetic to AT&T's lack of support just because you're on a custom GB ROM is terrible. That kind of behavior just encourages AT&T and other carriers to continue to have terrible support practices.
You know that ROM you're on? Aside from Cyanogen, it's based on some other carrier's GB ROM. What if Rogers looked at AT&T's model for support and saw that it cost much less and the customers didn't complain (because so many of you are so apathetic now), and copied it (ie. didn't put out an update)? We then wouldn't have a base for half our ROMs.
Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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They always have. We have seen dozens of leaks that were never sent officail. They do it to keep us happy. Figure if they give us enough leaks then we will not complain about when the official will be released.
The main ones that don't see this are the ones new to smart phone Modding on XDA. We prefer the beta leaks anyway
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And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
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You don't know that the fascinate will get it this year. Many Captivate users were promised a release "soon". Verizon is known for slow updates. I doubt that the fascinate will get it this year, I could be wrong.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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If I can temproot and remove all the crapware, I'd be happy enough.
The idea of burning $500+ and still being network-bound to one of America's lousy GSM-based providers is beyond me. If I had that sort of money, I'd just go to the reasonably update-friendly Big Red and take some subsidization to get a better plan.
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Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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I agree with you, but they offer the best support and fastest product updates out of the big 4 carriers.
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This has been driving me crazy. See I bricked a phone in May and I'm anxious for the update so AT&T and Samsung can update my bootloaders for me, and then its on them. I just want them to release the damn update so I can go to a gingerbread rom. I'm willing to bet if I just bit the bullet and went to gingerbread I wouldn't brick my phone with bootloaders, but after you brick a phone it does make you scared to ever mess with boatloaders again. I'm running Cognition 4.5 right now, and the phones running great, but I still would like to go to the newest version of Android.
I will say everyone can complain about Samsung/AT&T all they want but unless your sporting an official Google Phone (nexus one/Nexus S/galaxy Nexus) you're waiting forever on updates, and getting cut off way too soon. I do think if your in the market for an android phone its best to buy one that has the best hardware and has the current version of Android already installed, because regardless of what carrier/manufacturer you go through you're going to wait on updates. For example, the HTC Droid Incredible came out before our phone and just got its GB update the other day.
not sure if anyone else noticed that motorola has a tentative upgrade to ICS list and the atrix 2 is NOT on that list. razr, bionic and xoom devices.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
IF motorola decides to upgrade the A2 to ICS, by the time they blur it up, and att approves it, there will be much better out and you'll be at your next upgrade point.
No, most of us will have just sold the phone for something else or bit the bullet and kept it while getting something else. Not exactly an upgrade in the most carrier specific sense of the term.
And yes that thought occurred to me. I'm surprised they haven't updated the list to include the Atrix 2, since it's so similar to some other phones they're upgrading to ICS.
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No, most of us will have just sold the phone for something else or bit the bullet and kept it while getting something else. Not exactly an upgrade in the most carrier specific sense of the term.
And yes that thought occurred to me. I'm surprised they haven't updated the list to include the Atrix 2, since it's so similar to some other phones they're upgrading to ICS.
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Its not entirely motos fault, its mainly att's fault
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Sigh........ I love this phone, I don't understand why everybody leaves it behind... Goddamn AT&T and Motorola!!
Motorola said it would be up to 6 weeks after ICS source code was released before they would give an update to what devices would get ICS. Right now to make the assumption we won't get it is just pure speculation since it has not been stated anywhere that we won't.
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Motorola said it would be up to 6 weeks after ICS source code was released before they would give an update to what devices would get ICS. Right now to make the assumption we won't get it is just pure speculation since it has not been stated anywhere that we won't.
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for the phones they have planned now, which is the razr and bionic. it will be a 6-8 months minimum if they choose to upgrade the atrix 2.
by then, jellybean will be releasing...
i've seen this with the x10, which att finally approved the x10a to 2.1 in june... and it never received the 2.3 update that the x10i received over seas. same phone, same hardware, just no att iron fist.
Im gonna disagree with ya. Coming from the OG ATRIX back when it was running froyo, it got gingerbread when 90%+ was still running froyo. AT&T has been better at pushing updates to their phones then any of the big 3 in my opinion. How many phones has been listed as getting ICS for sure from AT&T? Vivid and Skyrocket? ATRIX 2 was released just before them.
I know you've had problems with your phone. But take away the problems you were having would you still be getting a new phone? I have had zero problems with my phone and would bet that everyone else that has had the same luck would be very content with their phones also.
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not sure if anyone else noticed that motorola has a tentative upgrade to ICS list and the atrix 2 is NOT on that list. razr, bionic and xoom devices.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
IF motorola decides to upgrade the A2 to ICS, by the time they blur it up, and att approves it, there will be much better out and you'll be at your next upgrade point.
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Well.....
Hmmm....
I think it is coming. But as it turns out I sold my Atrix 2 today and decided to move back to CDMA service. I have just not been all that happy with AT&T in my area. SOOoooo, don't laugh. I bought a Samsung Vitality with Muve Music on cricket. It will tie me over and I am excited about the included music service. I am alot better with CDMA over GSM, so it looks like I will be grabbing a razr and getting it over to cricket. so long atrix 2 guys
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Motorola said it would be up to 6 weeks after ICS source code was released before they would give an update to what devices would get ICS. Right now to make the assumption we won't get it is just pure speculation since it has not been stated anywhere that we won't.
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I agree. If I don't see the Atrix 2 on the second wave of devices Moto has slated to get ICS then I'll start to lose faith.
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i've seen this with the x10, which att finally approved the x10a to 2.1 in june... and it never received the 2.3 update that the x10i received over seas. same phone, same hardware, just no att iron fist.
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That's not true, the X10 did get 2.3, officially, through AT&T.
That page hasn't been updated since before ICS code was released. Notice NONE of the new phones are on it nor is our MB865
This page details plans for Android software upgrades only; other various routine updates will be delivered to optimize device experiences and these will be communicated separately when deployed.
A note about Ice Cream Sandwich:
We are planning to upgrade DROID RAZR™ by Motorola, Motorola RAZR™, Motorola XOOM™ (including Family Edition) and DROID BIONIC™ by Motorola to Ice Cream Sandwich. We will provide more precise guidance on timing after post-public push of Ice Cream Sandwich by Google, as well as any possible additions to this list of devices.
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A note about Ice Cream Sandwich:
We are planning to upgrade DROID RAZR™ by Motorola, Motorola RAZR™, Motorola XOOM™ (including Family Edition) and DROID BIONIC™ by Motorola to Ice Cream Sandwich. We will provide more precise guidance on timing after post-public push of Ice Cream Sandwich by Google, as well as any possible additions to this list of devices.
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This quote was there before the source code to ICS. Notice below where each phone is listed by country. None of those phones are listed nor is ours. What I'm saying is that this page hasnt been updated for some time
Also take note in that statement "as well as any possible additions to this list of devices." See they even State Possible Additions which could equal any number of devices.
honestly, that's my biggest issue. no one knows for sure and motorola will not say otherwise.
i have 7 days left on my 30 day return, i will not get stuck with another upgrade locked device. motorola will not say, i have no more free time with this phone.
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honestly, that's my biggest issue. no one knows for sure and motorola will not say otherwise.
i have 7 days left on my 30 day return, i will not get stuck with another upgrade locked device. motorola will not say, i have no more free time with this phone.
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I'm getting whiplash from the number of times you've told us you're done with this phone, but then somehow you're still here.
jacindc said:
I'm getting whiplash from the number of times you've told us you're done with this phone, but then somehow you're still here.
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i've been done with the phone, i went to att on tuesday to exchange, they informed me that there are new phones coming on sunday, i'm waiting to see what is coming and if current models drop in price.
One thing you will notice about the devices that were listed, they are only the Verizon devices. I still believe that we will get ICS on our phones but ATT is usually tight lipped on their updates, they happen, you just don't hear about it. I believe that part of that statement is Verizon marketing.
I think it will have an up date. Moto has no AT&T phones for the ICS update. What better phone to upgrade than this. Samsung has gs2 but honestly I think this will see the update. We have a webtop,dual core. I just don't see AT&T and moto "not" updating this. They are tight lipped as stated before.
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Emoslayer8 said:
I think it will have an up date. Moto has no AT&T phones for the ICS update. What better phone to upgrade than this. Samsung has gs2 but honestly I think this will see the update. We have a webtop,dual core. I just don't see AT&T and moto "not" updating this. They are tight lipped as stated before.
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I completely agree.
Personally I feel if moto doesn't want to support the device anymore they should be obligated to unlock the bootloader so we can support it ourselves.
That said. I 100% believe Moto will update
the A2 to ICS.
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Has anyone looked at what it would take to port CM9 to this tablet yet?
I would love "ICS" on my 7.0 plus!! Please!!
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As I understand Samsung is releasing ICS during the fist quarter, no release date yet.
I don't think developers are interesting in working on it until it's released. I'm running ICS on my phone, Samsung hasn't released the drivers so the developers have put in a lot of hours and hard work, it's not perfect but getting close. The battery life was terrible at first due to not having the proper drivers but over time it has gotten pretty decent. A working GPS is also an issue, again due to lack of proper drivers. I think the main difference ICS will never be released for my phone unlike our tabs.
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As I understand Samsung is releasing ICS during the fist quarter, no release date yet.
I don't think developers are interesting in working on it until it's released. I'm running ICS on my phone, Samsung hasn't released the drivers so the developers have put in a lot of hours and hard work, it's not perfect but getting close. The battery life was terrible at first due to not having the proper drivers but over time it has gotten pretty decent. A working GPS is also an issue, again due to lack of proper drivers. I think the main difference ICS will never be released for my phone unlike our tabs.
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I agree, it would be a waste of time for the devs. Patience....
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Agree. Am running the port of CM9 on my NC and while it's sweet and interesting...waiting for the official release is the way to go as its so close.
I seriously doubt samsung will release ICS for our g-tab Q1. If we're lucky it will be Q2, but i'm thinking worst case scenario Q3.
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I seriously doubt samsung will release ICS for our g-tab Q1. If we're lucky it will be Q2, but i'm thinking worst case scenario Q3.
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I believe they have stated q1 numerous times I'm new to samsungs so I'm not completely sure if they are true on their release dates. It seems to me it would be a waste of time for the devs to even bother until ics is officially released
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I believe they have stated q1 numerous times I'm new to samsungs so I'm not completely sure if they are true on their release dates. It seems to me it would be a waste of time for the devs to even bother until ics is officially released
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Samsung has a laughably bad reputation as far as updates go, if they aren't the worse then they are close to it. I would like to see ICS hit Q1 but I will expect it sometime this summer or fall.
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Codiusprime said:
Samsung has a laughably bad reputation as far as updates go, if they aren't the worse then they are close to it. I would like to see ICS hit Q1 but I will expect it sometime this summer or fall.
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Not to derail but you can argue that all android manufacturers are slow with updates, Samsung gets a lot of attention because they sell a lot of phones.
With that said, Samsung is painfully slow and I think this device stands little to no chance of a Q1 update, just my opinion.
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Whenever a carrier, (e.g. AT&T, TMobile, Sprint, Verizon) gets involved, the updates slow to a crawl. In all fairness to Samsung, they've been pretty good with updates to the 10.1. I've seen an update to 3.1 and 3.2 since I bought mine on launch day, and they were fairly quick. Mind you, I'm taking into account the fact that Samsung had to put touchwiz on Honeycomb and fix some of the issues that were left behind when Honeycomb launched. We've also seen Samsung move rather quickly to resolve issues on the 7Plus, including an update that dropped last night that is supposed to fix the SOD issue. All in all, Samsung has been good about updating its wifi-only devices, so while I'm confident that the phones will miss that Q1 deadline, I have high hopes for the tablets.
I hear you but talk to original galaxy tab wifi owners who are still rocking GB.
Hmmm, there was an ota last night?
On topic, I would cm9 on this device. Fingers crossed.
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The reason I asked this is not so much that I can't wait for ICS. It is more derived from wanting an ASOP-ish experience. I am also thinking about the future. OEMs are usually good for the first year of supporting the devices they make. Then they start to fail claiming that the device is not "compatable" with the latest version. I have an old HTC hero that my son uses as an MP3 player. It is running CM7 and the OEM claimed that it would not support gingerbread, heck they even have an ICS port for it.
CM seems to have a good record of keeping supported devices working. I am sure that once ICS is released for the 7 plus there will be custom builds available.
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I hear you but talk to original galaxy tab wifi owners who are still rocking GB.
Hmmm, there was an ota last night?
On topic, I would cm9 on this device. Fingers crossed.
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I am an original galaxy tab owner still rocking GB. (I've flashed ICS, but I decided to rollback until the camera issues have been solved and more of my Gameloft purchases are updated for ICS compatibility,) I'm not overly upset that Samsung didn't update it to ICS, but that may just be a personal thing.
Samsung started rolling out an OTA last night that will be pushed to all devices over the next two weeks.
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I am an original galaxy tab owner still rocking GB. (I've flashed ICS, but I decided to rollback until the camera issues have been solved and more of my Gameloft purchases are updated for ICS compatibility,) I'm not overly upset that Samsung didn't update it to ICS, but that may just be a personal thing.
Samsung started rolling out an OTA last night that will be pushed to all devices over the next two weeks.
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Official GB? Last I checked the original galaxy tab 7 owners were still rocking Froyo, officially.
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Official GB? Last I checked the original galaxy tab 7 owners were still rocking Froyo, officially.
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Official GB. If I were still on Froyo, then I'd be quite upset at Samsung.
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Not to derail but you can argue that all android manufacturers are slow with updates, Samsung gets a lot of attention because they sell a lot of phones.
With that said, Samsung is painfully slow and I think this device stands little to no chance of a Q1 update, just my opinion.
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They are not only slow but also the updates themselves are notoriously bad and it usually takes a long time for bug fixes. Samsung's software development side is really not that great.
You are right though, as of right now all of the manufacturers suck pretty hardcore. It's pretty ridiculous really, hopefully they get better with releasing fewer devices.
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Whenever a carrier, (e.g. AT&T, TMobile, Sprint, Verizon) gets involved, the updates slow to a crawl. In all fairness to Samsung, they've been pretty good with updates to the 10.1. I've seen an update to 3.1 and 3.2 since I bought mine on launch day, and they were fairly quick. Mind you, I'm taking into account the fact that Samsung had to put touchwiz on Honeycomb and fix some of the issues that were left behind when Honeycomb launched. We've also seen Samsung move rather quickly to resolve issues on the 7Plus, including an update that dropped last night that is supposed to fix the SOD issue. All in all, Samsung has been good about updating its wifi-only devices, so while I'm confident that the phones will miss that Q1 deadline, I have high hopes for the tablets.
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Yes, it is key to not forget the carrier influences and also bear in mind that carrier-specific variants of, e.g., the Galaxy S2 were not within the scope of Samsung's ICS in Q1 announcement.
My previous phone was the Epic 4G. It was the first US carrier variant to receive official Froyo and Gingerbread updates but it received them well after the "stock" Galaxy S model (GT-I9000, I believe) received them.
So in other words, when looking at Samsung's update record, remember to compare apples to apples. Nexus One got its official Froyo upgrade in May of 2010, I think. The GT-I9000 got its official Froyo upgrade in August. Gingerbread was released in December of 2010 on the Nexus S. I believe the Nexus One got its upgrade in January of 2011 and the GT-I9000 got its GB upgrade in March of 2011.
All in all, not too shabby for Samsung. It's only when you factor in variants (which have all been customized to various degrees which require OS customization) and carrier agendas (I believe AT&T let its phones languish on 2.1 for a good while to not have them be competitive with the iPhone, which was AT&T exclusive at the time) that Samsung's rep starts to take a turn.
The I9000 vs Captivate is probably the clearest example of the negative effect a carrier can have on update releases.
The I9000 and Captivate were close enough that it took developers here very little time (days maybe? weeks at most...) to begin running I9000 releases on the Captivate. However, it took on the order of nine months from the I9000's GB release before the Captivate officially received Gingerbread.
Similarly, Samsung has only been slightly behind other tablet vendors in Honeycomb updates for the Tab 10.1, mainly due to being the first vendor to include a custom skin - but "behind" has usually been at worst 1-2 months of delay.
Similarly, the I9100 is scheduled to receive ICS in March and Sammy seems on track with that. However, the I777 (AT&T variant) probably won't see official ICS until 2013...
For the 7.0 Plus - for the developers the Tab does have, I think polishing the current HC releases is the top priority. Honestly, ICS offers far less compared to HC than it does compared to GB, and right now, there's some major work to be done on the 7.0 Plus thanks to Samsung being asshats with regards to AR6000 driver source code.
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Official GB. If I were still on Froyo, then I'd be quite upset at Samsung.
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Yep, mine was GB right out of the box! Love this little device!
Mines has 3.2 with honeycomb. Not sure what version that is.