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Who cares about 2.2 what about 2.3?

Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?

i don't think there will be official 2.3 android...

Samsung is notorious for not supporting updates. They'd rather sell new hardware than update what's out already for free. You're lucky you're getting a 2.2 update even if it is taking forever to release, 2.3 is going to be a stretch though.

Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Woot, never thought of that, since it will be a Galaxy S variant. That just made me happy to think about

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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We already know the camera is different... I don't think it will be as easy as i9000 to i897.. but yes there is some hope here . Google to the rescue!!!
Actually OP this is why we are all so excited about Cyanogen - BC it has NO Samsung components you can just upgrade to 2.3 once its released.... once cyanogen is final nobody here will be talking about Samsung anymore
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ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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It's gonna be quite different. The camera and the soc will be dual core. Could have other hardware different as well.
I wonder how motorola and htc can afford to keep their top phones upgraded and samsung... Doesn't. I mean look at the droid from nov 2009....
I hate to go back to an iPhone next year, but this sucks. Thank god for xda! The devs here should have their own national holiday.

We don't really know anything about its spec just many rumors/fantasy's.
The only thing we do know its a bit curved , possibly a concave display , seen in one of the interview videos.

Corriewf said:
Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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mac208x said:
Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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X10 is not a top of the line device. It was supposed to be out last feb...by the time it came out, middle of the pack at best.
I would not base any standards on a SE device.

we still have a lot of things to play with...I played with Samsung focus and the position of camera&usb&mic I can say it's definitely the same with captivate...

Very true i hate how SAMSUNG doesn't update their devices. I might just get a nexus one now haha
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Dxtra said:
The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.

Corriewf said:
Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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The new dual-core suppose to use less power then current single-core , if its true i wouldn't worrie about power.

you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...

fatttire said:
No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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See that is exactly how Apple keeps winning the war. Software support. It's an easy Eco system to buy into because the hardware is almost always supported for years. Yes closed systems. But the resale value for notebooks, computers, and iPhones is awesome. My wife will easily be able to pay for her next iPhone by selling the iPhone 4, hell we made 100 profit on both our 3GS. I have bought 2 3GS, an iPad, and a MacBook air.
I really love android and I love the hardware samsung puts out. I just wish they could grasp the concept of full customer support. They just come across as shady salesmen that can't wait to push the next big thing.
If I can't sell my captivate for much $$, I certainly won't be buying the next samsung whatever.

DAGr8 said:
you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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Mac11700 said:
Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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The way I see it these companies should make one of the following choices:
1. Sell cellphones with untouched Android. Leave it like wp7 and ios and let google handle software upgrades etc.
2. Have your custom software but support upgrades until hardware is no longer up to par. Maybe make their software downloadable through the market so we just update as needed but can run stock android while waiting.
3. Get out of the cellphone business and just become a hardware manufacture for real cellphone companies that can provide support.
I personally think option 1 is the best.... And most profitable. I mean samsung is stretched pretty thin. They make tvs and washing machines while trying to make cell phones, manufacture chips, and be a software company. Do what you do best and stick with it.

ICS 4.0 Update Not Until April 2012?

http://www.themobileindian.com/news/3587_Android-4.0-update-to-come-in-April-2012:-Reports
As reports point out, the updates will arrive by 2nd quarter (beginning April) of 2012 and it is again going to be Samsung devices which will get these updates first. The official word from Samsung is that the six devices to get the update first will be Galaxy S II, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Tab 8.9 and Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all of these devices except Galaxy Note (which is coming to India on 2nd November) are already available in India.
Samsung has also said that since it had been working closely with Google on ICS, they expected to beat competitors to the market with upgrades for existing devices.
HTC has also publicly announced the plans for the updates, but it is expected to be late to the party as their phones are heavily modified version of Android and therefore will take more time to include their Sense user interface into the new updates. It will be a more uphill task since some of the features that were available only through Sense UI are now part of Android 4.0 by default.
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Wow. That would be very upsetting if it took that long for an official ICS update.
And to think I actually left my device S-on and unrooted in hopes of getting this update before Christmas. Shame on me.
As soon as we get CM7 stable, I'm done with stock. Done with HTC Sense. Done with waiting for HTC and T-Mobile to get us updates (I know I'm late to the party )

Lol you thought we'd have an update this year, that's kind of funny dude. HTC is good with updates, but not that good. And I've been running cm7 since the cm team dropped it on September 11 and its very stable. Just because they call it an alpha doesn't mean it's buggy or laggy.I think it runs very well like the nightlies. But if I were you bud I'd s-off and root because when the galaxy nexus is released, Google will be releasing the source code for ICS and there will be ICS roms asap and cm9. Or just get the galaxy nexus like I'm planning on doing if you want ICS lol but seriously, you'll have ICS soon, it just won't be official.
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The moment ICS gets dumped on XDA, it's gonna be a race to see who mmcan get it stable first. A "friendly" competition, if you will. #yearightlol.
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I am confident that we'll have CM9 running on our phones long before HTC deigns to give us their Sensified interpretation of ICS.

I remember the Galaxy S situation last year......
Same phone as NEXUS S , but the updato to Gingerbread (released in mid dicember) is arrived in May

I'm probably not gonna wait around for HTC.
soon as stable ICS rom becomes available from our wonderful developers I'm upgrading.
lot of the Sense features are on ICS anyways.

nory82688 said:
Lol you thought we'd have an update this year, that's kind of funny dude. HTC is good with updates, but not that good. And I've been running cm7 since the cm team dropped it on September 11 and its very stable. Just because they call it an alpha doesn't mean it's buggy or laggy.I think it runs very well like the nightlies. But if I were you bud I'd s-off and root because when the galaxy nexus is released, Google will be releasing the source code for ICS and there will be ICS roms asap and cm9. Or just get the galaxy nexus like I'm planning on doing if you want ICS lol but seriously, you'll have ICS soon, it just won't be official.
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How long does it take to turn source code into a stable ROM? I'm not a programmer or developer so I have no idea lol.
I'm gonna stick with my sensation, but I'm scared to unroot and flash haha.
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It will be a more uphill task since some of the features that were available only through Sense UI are now part of Android 4.0 by default.
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Interesting, that may cost HTC some sales if other phones will get similar features to Sense.

we will get offical ICS if apple devcies get iOS 6 !!
htc should just send ICS for sensation..then after 3 months bring Sense 4.0

Based on past experience, HTC won't release an update until a few months after a new flagship device shipped with a new Android version is launched.
So let's say HTC announce a ICS flagship device in late Dec or early Jan, which will be shipped earliest a month after that. Say early Feb. Add two months to it, April sounds plausible.
As soon as ICS source code is released, probably within days you will start seeing custom ICS roms popping up here. Most of which will be crappy and unstable (although everyone will claim "lighting fast! Super stable!" in their thread title). I would say a month after ICS source code being released, quality ROMs will start rolling out.

LPChris47 said:
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/3587_Android-4.0-update-to-come-in-April-2012:-Reports
Wow. That would be very upsetting if it took that long for an official ICS update.
And to think I actually left my device S-on and unrooted in hopes of getting this update before Christmas. Shame on me.
As soon as we get CM7 stable, I'm done with stock. Done with HTC Sense. Done with waiting for HTC and T-Mobile to get us updates (I know I'm late to the party )
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I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....

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I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....
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Thanks for your insight
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lol. nice thoughts! but for some years here in xda, whos still waiting for these "updates" when there are devs that surely be porting this as soon as source comes out? @[email protected]
and to add to that, haven't you learned that HTC is like a brick itself? like the unlocked bootloader they promised? so many people asking them about that and trying to tell them stuff, but they decided to play by their book and it just ended up xda devs coming up with a different way to unlock the bootloader. so, don't trust them, they put some crazy stuff on your phone and won't tell you that they bugged your phone for some unknown reason. thats why there's xda-developers

i dont think it will be that late ,january at the latest we should have something, beta, leak , CM8
Google I/O 2012 is on April 24 and i think they will launch another version of android then

i thought their said the that ics will come to others devices after 2 months its released! well i wont say nothing the fat lady aint sang yet

Im not really worried about the ICS update from HTC. I myself have been lucky and have had ZERO issues with my sensation, but as fast as the quality devs here can roll stuff out we will have 4.0 before too long, and this being a back of the line phone? i dont buy that. It can be considered an entry level dual core phone, but with the custom ROM's and mods available for this thing, it has the ability to blow more powerful phones off the chart.
I must admit im waiting for the Nexus Prime, but until then i'll enjoy the sensation, and probably always will.

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I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....
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do you have some kind of source for these claims? I've not heard a peep about this stuff from other users here or any news sites.

They didn't say anything about releasing the source in july right? Hopefully it releases the same time as Galaxy Nexus. I don't see why I would want an OTA when there's a CM9

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do you have some kind of source for these claims? I've not heard a peep about this stuff from other users here or any news sites.
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/google-to-buy-motorola-mobility/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1114612
I could provide you countless other links, but in this case Google truly is your friend!

If I'm not mistaken we would have to wait for HTC to release the source for an Android 4.0 compatible kernel to be able to run CM9 on Sensation. Or maybe the devs can patch together an Android 2.x kernel for compatibility? I'm no programmer so I'm not sure what I just said makes any sense... but apache (provides the CM7 kernel for Sensation) said that they based their kernel on source code from HTC, I guess due to the aSMP CPU in Sensation.

Grain of salt time - AT&T support team says "next year" for GB

I am getting really fed up with the constant line of BS from both Samsung and AT&T about the release date of Gingerbread on the Captivate. So, yesterday, I spent a couple of hours bugging everyone that I could about it. Twitter feeds were pretty much useless, but I got into a chat with the AT&T service center.
I pointedly asked when Gingerbread would be out on the Captivate. The rep first tried to tell me that she thought it was already out, and started looking for when it was released. I pointed out that it was not yet out, that kies mini had not been released for it, and that both Samsung and AT&T's websites still showed the phone with 2.2.
She stopped typing for a couple of minutes. I asked if there was anyone else that I could contact that would know. That I was extremely disappointed in the experience that I've had with AT&T and the Captivate so far, and that I was definitely not buying another AT&T Samsung phone.
More time passed, as she asked me to hang on while she made some calls. When she returned, she told me that the release schedule was set by Samsung, and that AT&T had already approved GB for the Captivate. Note that this is the opposite story as what I've gotten from Samsung.
She went on to say that the Samsung person who she had just talked to on the phone had told her that it would be "next year" before Captivates are updated to 2.3.
So, take it with a grain of salt, but I would not be surprised. That date is after most of the early adopters are upgrade eligible, and I would bet that they are waiting for us to upgrade to new handsets rather than push out the 2.3 update.
TL;DR: AT&T blames Samsung for delay (Samsung blames AT&T). AT&T service rep says that Samsung is not releasing update until next year.

Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
i897 running Mosaic 8

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Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
i897 running Mosaic 8
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.

Guys.. not trying to be mean but, this is a modders forum.. if you haven't already rooted and rommed your phones.. I would encourage it.
At&t can release the official GB update today for all I care.. I am sticking with CM7(gingerbread) and then cm9(Ice cream sandwich).
I got this phone knowing it would take forever to see 2.2 officially.. 2.3 would probably never come out either...
But, it has amazing dev support which is comparable to any phone out there just about.
Wondering when GB will come out, now that ICS is about to be available in rom form just seems futile.
Sure there are a few quirks every so often with roms.. but, most of the time they are as stable as the stock..

If it's not coming why is Sammy wasting it's time, money and energy making an AT&T bloated GB update?
I already have my sights set on the GSII. Been running GB for many months now, anyway.

We all know it is and has been att for a LONG TIME that don't get out the updates in a timely manner. Samsung has actually stepped up its game on getting updates ready. We can see this with how samsung 2.3 leaks with att bloatware already in it MONTHS AGO. So it is definetelh att. Samsung.g has been really quick with putting out source code for newer phones also as an example, all the SGS2'S INCLUDING the att SGS2 had the source code either days before or within a few days of the phone being released. Another example for samsung is the source code (not her the kernel) for the new galaxy nexus has been out for over a week and the phone just got released what yesterday or something.
Unfortunately alot of the great devs have moved onto the ATT SGS2 and other sgs2's but there are still some great devs around here for the cappy. If you follow the i9000 (which still has great support) you can see they are already making ICS working with pretty quick strides. Once they get it working hopefully a dev from this section can reoriented a kernel for the cappy.
So LONG STORY SHORT, DONT WAIT FOR ATT as any of us that got the captivate on/near release date knows. Just get into using modded OS roms and forget about waiting for att. That is why MOST of are actually on a Modding site in the first place, right?
Sent From My KickAss ATT SGS2 SPORTING CM7

I could care less about the "official" GB release from AT&T, it's the source code that's important to everyone in the Android community.
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After getting the Captivate in February of this year, I was curious when we would get Foyo. I flashed Cognition 4 within a week of owning the phone. I'm now on GB and do not expect ATT to ever update it or release the official source code.
I'm just going to wait for the Galaxy Nexus when my upgrade in July is available...unless something better comes out by then.

And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.

Being apathetic to AT&T's lack of support just because you're on a custom GB ROM is terrible. That kind of behavior just encourages AT&T and other carriers to continue to have terrible support practices.
You know that ROM you're on? Aside from Cyanogen, it's based on some other carrier's GB ROM. What if Rogers looked at AT&T's model for support and saw that it cost much less and the customers didn't complain (because so many of you are so apathetic now), and copied it (ie. didn't put out an update)? We then wouldn't have a base for half our ROMs.

Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas

Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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erbsmokah said:
Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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They always have. We have seen dozens of leaks that were never sent officail. They do it to keep us happy. Figure if they give us enough leaks then we will not complain about when the official will be released.
The main ones that don't see this are the ones new to smart phone Modding on XDA. We prefer the beta leaks anyway

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And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
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You don't know that the fascinate will get it this year. Many Captivate users were promised a release "soon". Verizon is known for slow updates. I doubt that the fascinate will get it this year, I could be wrong.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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If I can temproot and remove all the crapware, I'd be happy enough.
The idea of burning $500+ and still being network-bound to one of America's lousy GSM-based providers is beyond me. If I had that sort of money, I'd just go to the reasonably update-friendly Big Red and take some subsidization to get a better plan.

zelendel said:
Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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fulaman said:
I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.

zelendel said:
Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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I agree with you, but they offer the best support and fastest product updates out of the big 4 carriers.
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This has been driving me crazy. See I bricked a phone in May and I'm anxious for the update so AT&T and Samsung can update my bootloaders for me, and then its on them. I just want them to release the damn update so I can go to a gingerbread rom. I'm willing to bet if I just bit the bullet and went to gingerbread I wouldn't brick my phone with bootloaders, but after you brick a phone it does make you scared to ever mess with boatloaders again. I'm running Cognition 4.5 right now, and the phones running great, but I still would like to go to the newest version of Android.
I will say everyone can complain about Samsung/AT&T all they want but unless your sporting an official Google Phone (nexus one/Nexus S/galaxy Nexus) you're waiting forever on updates, and getting cut off way too soon. I do think if your in the market for an android phone its best to buy one that has the best hardware and has the current version of Android already installed, because regardless of what carrier/manufacturer you go through you're going to wait on updates. For example, the HTC Droid Incredible came out before our phone and just got its GB update the other day.

[Q] With ICS OTA will we loose everything?

Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
TiA
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It dosen't matter. Just backup with Titanium Backup and restore when it comes.

ElMango said:
Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
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You'll want to wait for a rooted version of the OTA anyway. It'll be out hours after the source is released. Then you can just use your favorite backup app to get your stuff back.
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Do we know approximately when the ICS is set to come. Since I got the 3D I haven't really kept up with Nexus news but I'm looking to come back to the flagship.
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Samfirmware stated on twitter two days ago that it was close.
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Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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I'm the same. I've rooted by all the ICS ROM's still have bugs. I'd already have a Galaxy Nexus if they did not delay and delay then have volume bugs! If they released all the drivers from day one, we'd have a million decent custom ROM's...

the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should

I have a question when they said that nexus s should receive ice cream sandwich within " weeks" after galaxy nexus release. Do you guys think the clock has started or are did they mean release in the united states?
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fightingroost12 said:
the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark.
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Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...

Rod3 said:
Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...
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yea your right, im very happy just to be on gingerbread (anyone with an x10 or intercept will agree with me) and i wouldnt even mind waiting for the update, its mostly the lack of any information from google thats killing me

hamiltus said:
Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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Because unlike the Community, Google has certain standards it must meet before releasing an OTA. I mean no respect towards the community but no company could ever release partially working builds.

fightingroost12 said:
the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should
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The Nexus S will get a ICS update LOOONNNGGGG before any other phone will and ICS was built for the Galaxy Nexus so THAT was the first and easiest to develop for. The Nexus S is next.

I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.

Corvidd said:
I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.
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Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.

Matridom said:
Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.
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all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.

fightingroost12 said:
all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.
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Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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Matridom said:
Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?

fightingroost12 said:
is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?
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Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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Matridom said:
Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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of course there will be, there already are roms available now for the g1. the original iphone obviously has the same problem the g1 has, hardware limitations. When 4.0 came out the iphone 3gs was laggy and almost unusable until apple released a second update to fix the mess. But were losing sight of the point, when an OS is released by apple all phones (fine all compatible phones) get it that day. Sure it doesnt have all the features as the newest iphones, and by not all the features i mean ONE feature as in siri, but they get the update at least. What have we received since the galaxy nexus was released? And i honestly dont even care enough to keep talking about it, but when ever people hear about apple they always have to but in with "YEA BUT APPLE SUCKS CAUSE ____" which isnt the point, i was making a comparison.
like i said before all because one statement is true, it doesnt make the other statement false.

Frustrated with ICS updates!

Bought this phone on the promise of an ICS upgrade which was posted right on Telus' product page to be January 2012.
This is my third Android and I know from experience if the manufacturer doesn't announce the update is in progress, at least a month prior to its due date, it's likely delayed at least a month.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Frankly, the update process is super rediculous. Three different manufacturers, all terrible at communicating!
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it's the same every year (it happened with eclair 2.1, froyo 2.2, it happened with gingerbread 2.3)
the flagship device will launch with the latest OS
then a few new devices of the same year launches with the latest OS
then 3 month later most last years phone get the new OS

your fault for buying something based on a promised update
a little research would have told you that it is not wise to do that... buy a phone based on what that phone is like today... not based on what the phone is promised to become at a later date.

Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Tipical from samsung... Maybe a Rom developer will make a port of ICS for this model...

zeekiz said:
Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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There is a brand called huawei. It announced ICS demo for x6 and uploaded the "enchanced" 2.3 rom for x5. do you know what? both of them is buggy as hell. x6 is the flagship, The first ICS update announced uploaded phone in world (at least they say) they uploaded 2.3.5 for x5 and they fcked with screen. now I can operate screen without touching.
Some devs are preparing ICS based roms for x5 but believe me none of them could finish them before feb. So I'm a x5 owner and I lost my hopes from updates. When after they introduced x6, whole x5 development stopped. That happes everytime. Nokia 5800, happened samething when c6 announced. N70, same thing happened after a year. Every f.ing time same thing happen, every f.ing time...

jordanishere said:
Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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Honestly ICS is great, but some applications really don't play nicely with it. But unfortunately most users are constantly under the impression that new is always better, reality proves this isn't true.
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Good point! Newer isn't always better, but around here (XDA) it's the only thing people care about (myself included haha).

How about you root your phone and put an ICS ROM on yourself? The thing is, what are you expecting with ICS? You realize that your UI is going to look exactly the same right? Touchwiz is going to be touchwiz...so unless you have a nexus, or an AOSP based ROM you arent going to see much of a difference except in your app drawer and menus.