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This question is mainly for the former Captivate owners...
I am considering going from the Captivate to the Inspire. I am well aware of the hardware and software differences, so I need not to be schooled there. However, I would like to hear opinions as far as personal experiences go when going from the captivate to the inspire. Also, from a development point of view, the captivate is great because of the high competition and many choices of different custom roms...how promising is the inspire as far as develoment goes? Thanks.
seen your post in the captivate or iphone4 thread earlier, just go get the inspire dude, hands down without doing anything to it is way faster and wya more enjoyable, havent felt like that about a phone since droid x, had captivate 6 months sold on craigslist and got the inspire and not one regret at all. way more polished then cappy for sure. and im pretty sure devolpment is alot bigger then cappys, because inspire is basically desire hd.
I agree. I bought the Captivate back in August. I kept it stock for months and I was disappointed by the was Samsung treated us. Eventually I put Andromeda 1.2 and that made the phone much more enjoyable.
I am much more happy with my Inspire than I ever was with my Captivate. That includes the hard work and great job Team Komin did to make the phone good.
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The captivate was nice but nothing like the Inspire.
I got sick of loading new Roms each week just to have it perform.
About the only Rom that worked for me was the cognition, everything else f k ed something up.
You will not be disappointed, this works right out of the box.
I hope I enjoy my inspire as much as you guys do. I should be getting it mon, or tue. Can't wait to give it a try.
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Just bought the inspire a few days ago, off contract even, after pissing off my upgrade on a captivate last November.
This phone blows the captivate out of the water.
The difference is just...stunning.
Go get this phone.
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Just go for it. You won't regret the change. Running a stock, rooted Inspire. Happy with it as it is right now. Just thankful to not have to flash a new Rom every few days.
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Agreed. Went from Iphone 3gs to HTC Aria, to Iphone 4, to captivate (it's sad when a low/mid phone pulls someone away from iOS to Android) to streak to inspire (all since this time last year. yeah i'm a phone whore). Inspire is by far my fav
Inspire runs circles around Captivate, even in stock form.
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I went from a Samsung Captivate to a Motorola Atrix (for a few days) to the Inspire. Samsung Captivate frustrated me to no end, and the Motorola Atrix build quality was just terrible. The Inspire is a great phone with superb build quality, and it's quite snappy to boot. I say go for it!
No offense to the OP, but I think it is time to start discouraging the over abundance of these " what kind of phone should I get " or " what is your opinion of the Inspire, compared to ..........." Again, no offense to anyone, but there are already a ton of these threads. Let's just search or bump one of those and make a Hugh effort to keep this forum uncluttered
Captivate to Inspire is like going from a Mitsubishi Eclipse to a Porsche. HTC is the most developer friendly phone manufacturer on the Android Platform. This phone has been out less than a month and we already have lots of ROM options out there including CM7.
On paper the Captivate is a great phone and it has some specs that are a little better than the Inspire, but the proof isn't on paper it's in actual phone use.
The Inspire is a solid phone with great hardware and a a thriving developer community. Make the move you won't be sorry.
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No offense to the OP, but I think it is time to start discouraging the over abundance of these " what kind of phone should I get " or " what is your opinion of the Inspire, compared to ..........." Again, no offense to anyone, but there are already a ton of these threads. Let's just search or bump one of those and make a Hugh effort to keep this forum uncluttered
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None taken, however I created this thread for a very specific purpose. I am aware of other posts about "what phone should I get." I did look for a thread specifically for this topic and didn't find one. I wanted to see what other captivate owners had to say about going from the captivate to the inspire because an opinion from somebody coming from an iPhone or something else is not going to help.
Anyways, I finally decided to head down to the ATT store and picked one up. Needless to say I am very impressed with the inspire. The salesmen tried to get me to buy the atrix. He said the inspire was not only selling like hotcakes, but it outselling the atrix and said that the atrix isn't selling as good as they thought it would. I told him the deal breaker for me for the atrix was that it has a smaller screen, motoblur UI which I don't like and its not development friendly.
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None taken, however I created this thread for a very specific purpose. I am aware of other posts about "what phone should I get." I did look for a thread specifically for this topic and didn't find one. I wanted to see what other captivate owners had to say about going from the captivate to the inspire because an opinion from somebody coming from an iPhone or something else is not going to help.
Anyways, I finally decided to head down to the ATT store and picked one up. Needless to say I am very impressed with the inspire. The salesmen tried to get me to buy the atrix. He said the inspire was not only selling like hotcakes, but it outselling the atrix and said that the atrix isn't selling as good as they thought it would. I told him the deal breaker for me for the atrix was that it has a smaller screen, motoblur UI which I don't like and its not development friendly.
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I can tell you this, you will not regret your decision. I can't believe the night and day difference over the Captivate. It is a whole new world.
I loved my Captivate. I love my inspire even more. It's definitely a step up. I'm not one to load roms and such, but I've seen a plethora of custom roms available for it, as well as, heard others speaking of roms.
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I just got mine three days ago. I cant go back to the cappy now. Harder to root but once done easier to flash roms, and battery life sucks but blows the cappy away lol
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I went from a Captivate to an Inspire and have liked it so far minus one major flaw, ROM space. On the Captivate I had loaded TONS of applications, so much so my wife constantly complained that I had too much junk on my phone. But I was testing, playing with new programs and seeing what worked for me. The Inspire has so much less space that when I initially set it up and the market tried to reload all my applications I ran out of space. I had to purge a ton of applications from my list. But since I never used many of these applications it wasn't a major issue.
That being said, I would make this trade every time, this phone is so much nicer and everything just works, including the GPS. I am very happy with the new phone and within a week of getting it I have rooted it, put on a couple tests ROMs, played with them then went back to a rooted stock ROM. So it seems development here is very lively, at least for what I do with my phone which is replace a ROM once in a blue moon. Now I have a captivate to play with as my toy phone and this phone as my work phone. Two phones for only $80 isn't bad (the original Captivate I got in August was essentially free after they rebated me $200 over the months for all the trouble then I upgraded a family line with the Inspire for $80).
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I went from a Captivate to an Inspire and have liked it so far minus one major flaw, ROM space. On the Captivate I had loaded TONS of applications, so much so my wife constantly complained that I had too much junk on my phone. But I was testing, playing with new programs and seeing what worked for me. The Inspire has so much less space that when I initially set it up and the market tried to reload all my applications I ran out of space. I had to purge a ton of applications from my list. But since I never used many of these applications it wasn't a major issue.
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The great thing is that with Froyo from the factory, you can use app2sd with no trouble and have quite a bit more apps than you otherwise could with ROM space.
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The great thing is that with Froyo from the factory, you can use app2sd with no trouble and have quite a bit more apps than you otherwise could with ROM space.
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True for applications which will move. I have a fair number of applications which refuse to relocate.
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Just go for it. You won't regret the change. Running a stock, rooted Inspire. Happy with it as it is right now. Just thankful to not have to flash a new Rom every few days.
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Can you tell me how to root and keep the same rom, i like it but i want root access to get rid of all of att's [email protected]$n bloatware
i went back to the IP4 last week from my inspire becasue of a rebooting issue. i miss the nice big screen of the inspire and i LOVE flashing and tinkering with ROMS..
have any of you came from the IP4 latley? regrets? did you or do you want to go BACK to the Ip4?
just looking for opinions and input
thanks
I have a solution for the problem. Get married, buy your wife an iPhone 4 and you can have an Inspire. It works for me. (You could also buy an iPad on ebay to itch your iOS scratch, there is a fire sale going on on those things right now.)
I have just passed my 30 day window to return the Inspire and I couldn't be any happier. This phone is great. I have never had a resetting problem but then again I have not rooted my phone yet, I am still waiting for the process and ROMS for this phone to mature a bit.
Any time I pick up my wife's iPhone I feel like it is a toy; it is just so small. It is a good phone if you want to push a button and have something work, if you are a tinkerer you should have stuck with Android.
come back to the inspire, it may have been a bad piece of hardware and just needed to be exchanged. Happened with my wife's Aria, couldn't get any cell connection. We ordered it online but the ATT operator said we could take it in to any corporate ATT store. She did, they checked for a bad SIM, nope, so they exchanged the phone and tested it on the spot, works fine.
The ROM development has been fast so far, but I'm waiting for it to mature too. I played with a Fuze and different android roms for almost two years but the process for the Inspire is so different. Been using my Inspire since the day they hit the stores, stock rom for now...
yeah i am deff a tinker with the OS, so i think i might have to come back
In the last year I've had a ton of phones (I'm the head of our IT department so I get to "evaluate" smartphones for use within the organization) and the Inspire is by far the favorite I have EVER used.
Just for comparison sake I've had: iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Blackberry Bold 9700, Blackberry Torch, Samsung Captivate, HTC Aria, Samsung Focus, Motorola Atrix (still have), Dell Streak, Motorola Droid 2 Global, Blackberry Storm 1 and 2, and finally the Inspire.
Even though I haven't rooted the phone yet (plan to in the next day or say) this device is easily the best I have ever used and I couldn't be happier.
I came from an i4 and let my wife have it. I use her phone on occasion and I can't beleive how boring it is. If you love IOS so much. Root and rom with MIUI. I flashed it last night and it's freaking cool!!! So much like IOS! I went back to core droid as it didn't seem as peppy but it was still more peppy that my I4 was the day I got it.
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I came from an i4 and let my wife have it. I use her phone on occasion and I can't beleive how boring it is. If you love IOS so much. Root and rom with MIUI. I flashed it last night and it's freaking cool!!! So much like IOS! I went back to core droid as it didn't seem as peppy but it was still more peppy that my I4 was the day I got it.
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Yup iOS is polished and does what it does well, but it's BORING! It's hardly changed at all since the first iPhone.
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In the last year I've had a ton of phones (I'm the head of our IT department so I get to "evaluate" smartphones for use within the organization) and the Inspire is by far the favorite I have EVER used.
Just for comparison sake I've had: iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Blackberry Bold 9700, Blackberry Torch, Samsung Captivate, HTC Aria, Samsung Focus, Motorola Atrix (still have), Dell Streak, Motorola Droid 2 Global, Blackberry Storm 1 and 2, and finally the Inspire.
Even though I haven't rooted the phone yet (plan to in the next day or say) this device is easily the best I have ever used and I couldn't be happier.
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I can ditto a majority of what was mentioned here. I've had more smartphone in the past two years, I've honestly lost track. The inspire to me is by far my favorite and I haven't even tinkered yet. Actually love the phone stock, but that's my preference.
So, would you be making a good choice coming back to the inspire? Ultimately that's a decision only you can make.
As for the issue you experienced with your first inspire, it certainly doesn't sound like a typical experience.
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Switched from the i4, won't look back at all. I haven't even rooted my phone yet and I believe it is a better phone and more fun to operate. I like the i4, but it does get repetative very fast. I don't regret it at all, and will probably make it even more concrete once I get it rooted. I say switch back but that's just me.
Had friends jailbreak their iphone 4s out of jealousy of the custom roms on my old captivate lol. and yet they still tell me how far superior ios lol
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Greetings,
I've never had an Android phone. I'm still using a Behold and a Storm II for work.
I bought a Nook Color, and I've been running Honeycomb for a few weeks.
I'm ready to bail on T-Mobile and go to ATT while I can still get a good deal on a phone for being a new customer, and the refurb Captivate is free.
I'll try the OEM 2.2 release, then probably root.
If you knew then what you know now, would you still get a Captivate?
I would, imho still the most customizable phone out there. I was mad because 4 days after my 30 day the phone was free for black friday.
I would buy it . If u don't wana wait if u wait till first week of April Samsung galaxy s2 is coming with all the frequency bands on it. So its 3g compatible basically with all carriers.
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Get an Inspire, so much better.
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Greetings,
I've never had an Android phone. I'm still using a Behold and a Storm II for work.
I bought a Nook Color, and I've been running Honeycomb for a few weeks.
I'm ready to bail on T-Mobile and go to ATT while I can still get a good deal on a phone for being a new customer, and the refurb Captivate is free.
I'll try the OEM 2.2 release, then probably root.
If you knew then what you know now, would you still get a Captivate?
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The deal with the refurb phone is that you run a chance at getting one that has a shutdown problem. There are still some refurbs floating around in their stock that hasn't been repaired by Samsung (despite what AT&T claims) that resolves a random shutdown problem. I know this because I got a refurb that had this problem and I had to send it to Samsung to have it repaired (I got my Cappy last December).
Other than the problem I had with it initially the phone rocks and I am glad I got it at the price of a two year contract renewal and no more.
DONT GET A REFURB. you want the full warranty just in case.
The main problems with Captivates is the crappy (useless on stock) GPS, warranty is good for getting a replacement if your phone has issues. The other problem is the random shutdown problem. it happened to an earlier batch and doubtful you would get one with that issue.
I LOVE mine, best screen i have seen and a great phone with a custom ROM which is not too difficult to install.
I beg to differ. We got better display (samoled), more roms, more kernels, and more developers. What about unlocking? We got that. HTC don't. Ton of themes. HTC is heavy and the battery case is hard to open. We got 16gb on board and HTC got 8gb. Maybe I just like my captivate.
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Get an Inspire, so much better.
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I beg to differ. We got better display (samoled), more roms, more kernels, and more developers. What about unlocking? We got that. HTC don't. Ton of themes. HTC is heavy and the battery case is hard to open. We got 16gb on board and HTC got 8gb. Maybe I just like my captivate.
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I used to have a Cappy, so I know what I'm talking about. Glad I ditched it.
Display - yeah, SAMOLED is better, although it's pretty good on the Inspire as well.
Roms - I've only tried CM7 on the Inspire, but it's been far nicer than any of the custom roms I've tried on the Captivate. The Cappy ones are great, but CM7 just has so many more features. I know you guys are getting CM7, eventually, but looks like it'll take a while.
Unlocking - yes it is possible to unlock the Inspire, in fact the initial rooting program does it for you.
Weight - it's a little heavier than my old Cappy but it doesn't bother me too much.
Battery door - it was only hard to open the first few times, now it's easy.
Memory - yes Cappy has more to begin with, but it is possible to change out the SD card in the Inspire to a bigger one. Cappy has 16gb internal, Inspire has an 8gb SD card bundled.
Oh yeah the Inspire's GPS actually works pretty well, and HTC actually seems to care about putting updates out for their phones. That was my biggest gripe with the Captivate, is just that Samsung didn't seem to give a **** about their customers after sale. Of course custom roms and such from here were very helpful.
No. Wait for the Galaxy S2
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If you weren't so close to other phones (and better phones) being launched, I would say get a Captivate. At this point though, wait for the new phones. Plus you never know with AT &T now buying T-Mobile, the deals should be a plenty.
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I would buy it . If u don't wana wait if u wait till first week of April Samsung galaxy s2 is coming with all the frequency bands on it. So its 3g compatible basically with all carriers.
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First week of April? You sure?
Captivate is an awesome phone minus the GPS issue which a lot of the roms do seem to "almost" fix. Awesome battery life, great screen and TONS of roms.
If you can't wait, get it... But if I were you, I'd wait for the S2.
I say yes!!!
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Yep
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First week of April? You sure?
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I have HTC desire and captivate. And love my captivate. About more roms, kernels, and developers HTC do have more. And they do get updates faster than any company. Either way I love my cappuccino
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I beg to differ. We got better display (samoled), more roms, more kernels, and more developers. What about unlocking? We got that. HTC don't. Ton of themes. HTC is heavy and the battery case is hard to open. We got 16gb on board and HTC got 8gb. Maybe I just like my captivate.
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captivates a great phone inspire is a great phone,and the gs2 will be a great phone.
take your pick.
My Inspire destroys my Captivate. Even unlocking the phone is faster. The Inspire has Sense ROM's, MIUI and Cyanogenmod support, a true AOSP build in the works, and RoyalLiquid is being ported from the MyTouch 4G. The Captivate has just now gotten Cyanogenmod support. Pretty much everything else in the Captivate Dev section is the same ROM with a different theme (no offence to the Capybara devs).
The Captivate has one thing over the Inspire: a SAMOLED screen.
All of this being said, it's all fact beside the first sentence. YMMV. They're both awesome phones but better phones are around the corner.
I gat a refurb 5 days later sent it back when I knew they will send
Me a new cuz I talk to the insuranse first and now I gat a 300 dls phone for free
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I gat a refurb 5 days later sent it back when I knew they will send
Me a new cuz I talk to the insuranse first and now I gat a 300 dls phone for free
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What
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All in all, the Captivate is a great contender when it comes to these kinda phones. I love this thing. lol
I still like my inspire I'm not really interested on the new phones etc.Droid razr., galaxy nexus...
I'm holding my inspire till the HTC edge comes out =D
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Vivid disappointed me, and inspire is still quite a capable device , I think I will hold onto to it..
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I get bored with phones very easily but once i got my Inspire i wanted to keep it for more than a month or 2 (which was the shelf life for a phone to me for a long time) So i rooted it to keep me busy/interested, and when i get bored i dive deeper into the root to make it better.But im at a point now where i dont know enough to go much further, and the onlyfriends i have that are into phones like i am are through here. So its hard to actually be taught anything. So i really want a new phone but not sure which direction i should go, or if i should hold out till the new batch of phones is out. In short, why cant i be satisfied with a phone nfor more than a few months?
Nope i wanna stick around until a while. The inspire is a great device
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I will stick with it because I am on a contract and the phone is quite capable. And new phones come daily so if you sell inspire for dual core phone then quad core will come soon
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I've found the Inspire to be one of the best phones I've ever owned. I think I'd only put the G1 above it in terms of phones I loved owning. The Inspire has given me 0 problems, has tons of dev support and is still very fast/snappy to use.
Not tired of it at all. I do lust for the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr while laying in bed at night...but I feel bad about it in the morning.
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Not tired of it at all. I do lust for the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr while laying in bed at night...but I feel bad about it in the morning.
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Lol to this
Also, I do find myself getting bored with it easily. Definitely an amazing device, but damn that Galaxy Nexus is tempting. If only it had the 8MP camera!
I actually really like my Inspire still, It's still a very capable device. I am going to be due for an upgrade in the next few months and i am going to be holding on to this phone i think for a while. Till something really catches my eye, because i really want to get another HTC device. The galaxy nexus looks sweet but im not a fan of Samsung's use of so much plastic on their phones.
My inspire makes me pancakes for breakfast every morning. I'll probably keep it until I'm tired of pancakes or my pants don't fit anymore.
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That's what's so great about Android and being rooted. Get bored, flash a new ROM. Voila, new phone
No way! I love my Inspire still, it's a great phone, everything is really smooth with it right now. I'll probably hang on to it for another 18 months till i have another upgrade.
I really like my Inspire. I can not find a reason to upgrade. Nothing else out does anything different. I need a new Experiance before I will upgrade again. (or my contract is up). I had a Windows phone and modded the hell out of it and then, I went Iphone and modded it to death, and then andriod. Modded to death. See my pattern, each was a new experience. I will need a reason to leave my phone before I will.
meh...
After having issues with the battery life, I'm ready to upgrade to something with a larger battery & better screen. I'm not really hating on the phone, just disappointed with it.
Next phone I buy will be at cost, since I picked it up for $100 with a new contract.
I'm not tired of it (took 2 months only) but maybe if a little disappointed, I was recently at a concert and record some songs but my disappointment came into play, pesimo sound seemed pfffff q was in a machine room, something my old iphone that never happened to me, but good either me every day I live concerts as he remains so until q together for my new iphone 4s.
I have to say I like it and can deal with the few minor probs like battery life until the edge is released or equal to it. Sense I buy all my phones at cost I am willing to wait and see the next Gen device and right now everything else is just too weak to justify upgrading yet
So far I'm lovin' it. While this IS my first smartphone, I'd have to say I'm impressed overall with the phone. One thing bugs me though. I don't take a lot of pictures, but when I do, I like to not have to set my whitebalance to fluorescent every time I want to take a low light picture with my flash... I kinda wish the coders had implemented where if the camera sees low light, and decides to use the flash, to just set the whitebalance to fluorescent. Ahh the little things.
Overall I like the build quality, for ME it's been a solid phone, and I love modding it. Endless entertainment!
i've had mine for a couple months and it's the best phone i've ever owned and im happy with it but honestly im bored. Too many sense rom's are the same and CM7 just dosen't interest me anymore and i've been using MIUI for the last couple weeks but i'm getting to the point where i can't really expand it that much more. I'm going to try to convince my dad (im only 14) to kick my brother off of our family plan and make him go to a gophone plan as he's 19 and dosen't use his phone much and then pay the ETF and switch to verizon, with christmas coming up i think he'll do it but i'll just have to wait
Tired of it? Heck no! This is my fifth Android device and I love it. To me nothing else out at the moment is compelling enough to switch. I love the actual build quality of the phone. Too many other phones just have too much plastic on them and they feel cheap. This phone is solid. Its plenty fast and well supported in the community. My contract is up in August of 2012 so if it doesn't get bricked before then, that is what I will be using. I look forward to see the offerings then.
I've had the inspire since launch day and it has lived up to the billing so far. There's really nothing you can't do with this phone. I live in Houston which has LTE but I'm working in Odessa right now so there's no need for me to jump into an LTE device just yet. They barely have hspa+ rolled out down here. I'll probably wait until next year for the new slate of devices, when att broadens their LTE footprints.
For now I'm enjoying my inspire
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I love my inspire but like others am bored of the same old roms. Wanted the vivid but with the tegra 3 quad core already in the new transformer 2 tablet I think I might wait. And Samsung I believe has a phone called the flex that is supposed to come out q2 2012 with a flexible screen and body I think there are too many better phones in the near future to justify using my upgrade now and waiting two more years to get something better. Girl I work with just ordered the vivid so i will just look at it when she gets it and go from there
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Hello everyone !
So my atrix 4g is dead after 4 month of use... f*** motorola this the ****s phone ever.
i want to buy a new phone, and i dont heve so much money so i decided to buy the inspire because i can get it from amazon for 230 $ ?
what you say about him ? worth the cash ? or should i but something else ?
ty :good:
I just got one coming from the dell streak I'm very happy with it nice camera,pretty fast,and runs 4.2 nice
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Yes its a good phone, its a solid build. And works well. As long as look at the development thread you can find some cool things and ROMS to use. I dont know if you could have waited or your budget, but Nexus 4 is nice and the Galaxy Note 2. I am looking to upgrade soon to those. I have had my inspire for about 1.5 yrs.
It's a nice phone once rooted. Mine would reboot randomly like most people experienced, I used a different launcher and that solved it butbut then I finally rooted a few months ago.
If you have an upgrade soon I'd say wait but if not, I'd get the newest thing you could. Unless you wanted to get it and then use your upgrade later when it comes to get a different phone after buying a DHD or Inspire outright. You can have fun with this phone though so I think it just depends on how long you want to keep it. If it's gonna be pushing a year, you might want to look for something newer.