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[Q] Could HTC have made the Sensation better?

First off, I am an HTC fan. I am intensely brand loyal so please DO NOT begin with Hater/fanboy retorts. This is not why I created this thread. I actually have questions, that I hope some of you can answer/weigh in on objectively for me. Here goes.
I have been waiting to upgrade from my HD2 for almost a year now. The HD2 was my first HTC phone and I was hooked on its build quality and versatility. I had been really excited about the Sensation until i saw some of its specs and equipment. Of note, there are three key areas that are of vital importance to me: Ram, Storage and Battery.
I "assumed" that the Sensation, being a flagship phones, was going to blow the doors off anything in the dual core category. But after seeing these spec comparisons (http://firstain.com/index.php/2011/...roid-bionic-vs-lg-optimus-3d-thrill-4g-fight/) not only does the sensation not lead, but up against its primary competition, it trails the Galaxy and even its won Cousin, the EVO 3D, in these categories making it third. More importantly it comes with the smallest internal memory of ALL the phones being compared...
1. My first question and observation is this. If the EVO 3D has 1 gig RAM and 4gigs internal, why did they NOT do this for the Sensation? This could have been accomplished. Why was it not at least matched to make the phone better?
2. With regards to RAM an its significance see the attached videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCWYZkQRIo. (Go to the 7:35 mark). Why would a flagship phone be so limited out of the gate? This could have been addressed to make the phone better correct?
3. In terms of memory and how fast the phone will process functions, this comes from a review posted here:
"Flaws in this whole situation include the fact that while the Galaxy S II pairs its 1.2GHz dual-core with 1GB of RAM, the HTC Sensation uses just 768MB. Samsung’s device has 16GB of memory packed in, while HTC makes due with just 1GB. There’s an 8GB microSD card in there, but you can add a bunch more memory to the GSII the same way if you want. Davies notes the truth: “[T]here’s just no way that even a fast microSDHC card can be as quick as NANDFlash connected directly to the logic board, and that leaves the Sensation at a speed disadvantage.”
Do you buy what the reviewer is saying as opinion or fact? If fact, then, again, why is this offering by HTC not just below the Samsung rival, but that of the EVO 3D with its 1 gig RAM and 4 gig memory? Just questions, no flames please.
Lastly, anyone can attest, that has used a 4.3 inch HTC screen, that a primary complaint is battery life. I dare say that HTC customers make up the majority of people who put the Current Widget app on the map. We are always looking for tips and tricks to squeeze more juice out of the battery. With the screen being the biggest hog, I was sure that HTC would address this with the Sensation. Again, to their credit they did, but again in comparison to the Galaxy, EVO 3d and almost every other battery in the links above, is next to last.
Techradar's HTC Sensation Battery Review:
"We've always been slightly confused by HTC phones when it comes to the battery life, as they seem to offer wildly different experiences depending on who is using them it seems.
The HTC Desire was fine for us when it came to lasting a day, but others found it would be dead by 7PM. The Desire HD was more universally panned for a poor battery, but still some chastised our verdict of it being unacceptable.
Well, it's going to happen again with the HTC Sensation, as the battery life, to us, seems woeful and not up to scratch. We're talking dead by 8PM with no push email, minimal Wi-Fi and about 30 mins of music and video at the most.
We've cycled it a few times to see if it can be improved, but the same things happens: it holds charge averagely well mostly, but then will get very warm and discharge at a rate of 10% per hour... which is a familiar scenario with the Desire HD.
We constantly kept the applications killed and the notifications to a minimum - but it seems only turning off the background synchronisation altogether helped the issue. And don't even think about hammering the camera in the middle of the day, or you'll be without a phone come the evening for sure.
That said, we're going to request another sample to test this out with, as it's probably the poorest experience we've had on an HTC device so far, so it's only fair we test to make sure it wasn't just a diff unit.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...-943466/review?artc_pg=7
Again, I am brand loyal so I will be buying another HTC phone, but to be honest, these three areas were major concerns when I bought the hd2 and still are impacting me since I still use it. I will probably hold off on the Sensation because I don't want another "hd2/hd7" situation happening again. I want the best that htc can offer and I don't think they did that "IMO."I just want to know what you think the reasons are for the lack of details to the Sensation - in particular since the EVO 3D will not have theses problems. Thanks in advance.
PS - I know no phones is "perfect". This is being asked in light of technology today and expectations of HTC's manufacturing expertise.

simply put yes...

Of course they could have made it better. 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal memory and a 1900 MAh battery like the Atrix. They could also have put a better screen in it (see Engadget's review: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/). Anyways, I think the battery life is acceptable, as it can last a full day on heavy use and I'm already used to charge every night.

giorgisp said:
Of course they could have made it better. 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal memory and a 1900 MAh battery like the Atrix. They could also have put a better screen in it (see Engadget's review: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/). Anyways, I think the battery life is acceptable, as it can last a full day on heavy use and I'm already used to charge every night.
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yeah, the thinking behind the features is a bit of a head scratcher to me. especially since I see the specs of the Evo 3D. maybe reaching the specs of the Atrix was not their intent with, but I the EVO clearly shows that they "could have" done a bit more for the Sensation. Its the "why not" that is thorn in my side. thanks.

It all comes down to sales and HTC will spec the phone to maximise their profit.
Some of us here at XDA will want the best of everything and be happy to pay for it.
But out in the rest of the world HTC have to be competative , and adding these upgrades will increase the handset price, and price for most people is a real factor in choosing a handset.
Between the SGS2 and the sensation there is very little differnce when you are using it, sure we can compare benchmarks and see a small difference but in the hand of the average consumer i think not. So HTC marketing team have estimated that this is the best set of features and price to maximise sales.

rumpleforeskin said:
It all comes down to sales and HTC will spec the phone to maximise their profit.
Some of us here at XDA will want the best of everything and be happy to pay for it.
But out in the rest of the world HTC have to be competative , and adding these upgrades will increase the handset price, and price for most people is a real factor in choosing a handset.
Between the SGS2 and the sensation there is very little differnce when you are using it, sure we can compare benchmarks and see a small difference but in the hand of the average consumer i think not. So HTC marketing team have estimated that this is the best set of features and price to maximise sales.
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First of all, thanks for the reply. I guess I have a hard time with this logic since I can clearly see that the EVO 3D is a step above the Sensation - and is coming to the market at the same time. Again, when I posed this question it stemmed from the fact that I have visual evidence of HTC having the capabilities to create a device that is on par or above the Galaxy.
I am just talking feature for feature. And in the three categories - that were important to me - the sensation was created below the bar. (Notice I DID NOT QUOTE BENCHMAARKS on purpose because I am willing to let the quadrant people make an app that "accurately" measures dual cores). The EVO and the Sensation will be priced relatively the same so I don't get the price factor making a difference. Hell, give me the specs of the EVO 3d and I will be the first in line on the 8th. That is all.

What I will say is...
When the Desire HD Came out... people warned against buying it simply because people considered it a "stop gap" in lue of upcomming dual cores.
After seeing the HTC Sensation I will NOT be purchasing it. This phone is a HUGE let down comming from the Desire HD.
I will wait till the IPhone 5 comes out and when HTC will release a TRUE Flagship phone.
BTW Dumb poll options.
Add : No will not purchase.
Most reviews are giving the phone lower then 8. Desire HD got 9-10/10.
My inspire 4G has a better screen then the Sensation.

I just don't get why they wouldn't put a gig of ram like they did on the EVO 3D. That's my main (and probably only) gripe. I guess they could have put more internal storage, but that's not a big deal. Engadget said in their testings that the battery life was better than what they got on the SGS II, so I guess it depends on who you ask.

Maedhros said:
What I will say is...
When the Desire HD Came out... people warned against buying it simply because people considered it a "stop gap" in lue of upcomming dual cores.
After seeing the HTC Sensation I will NOT be purchasing it. This phone is a HUGE let down comming from the Desire HD.
I will wait till the IPhone 5 comes out and when HTC will release a TRUE Flagship phone.
BTW Dumb poll options.
Add : No will not purchase.
Most reviews are giving the phone lower then 8. Desire HD got 9-10/10.
My inspire 4G has a better screen then the Sensation.
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I am actually more dumbfounded than anything. I too was awaiting the arrival of this super phone but really am clueless about this phone in light of the EVO 3D's specs. I will wait as well. However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
BTW, thanks for your "eloquent" poll suggestion. I tried to edit the post but did not see the option.

aNYthing24 said:
I just don't get why they wouldn't put a gig of ram like they did on the EVO 3D. That's my main (and probably only) gripe. I guess they could have put more internal storage, but that's not a big deal. Engadget said in their testings that the battery life was better than what they got on the SGS II, so I guess it depends on who you ask.
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“[T]here’s just no way that even a fast microSDHC card can be as quick as NANDFlash connected directly to the logic board, and that leaves the Sensation at a speed disadvantage.”
According to this, more internal memory would be extremely beneficial speed wise. For the simple fact that its dubbed the "flag ship" you would think they would add internal memory as a basic premium. Guess not.

The evo 3d only has more ram cause of the actual 3d recording and pictures ability. If the evo 3d has 4 gig rom then most likely it has only 1 gig accessible to the user. Cause the system and the nand need memory space as well.
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steve austin said:
I am actually more dumbfounded than anything. I too was awaiting the arrival of this super phone but really am clueless about this phone in light of the EVO 3D's specs. I will wait as well. However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
BTW, thanks for your "eloquent" poll suggestion. I tried to edit the post but did not see the option.
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Hm.. not sure how to edit polls sorry!
I agree... I dont think the Sensation is a true upgrade from the Desire HD.... For 1, the SLCD is inferior to the One on the Inspire 4G. Secondly Aluminum UniBody what??? I havent held the phone so I cant give an accurate representation however when I imagine Uni Body I immagine...Desire HD and HTC Legend! To me the Sensation looks like its not a Unibody simply because half of it comes off I cant say if any1 else will agree with me, but people who have used the phone say that it does no have the same sturdy feel as the Desire HD.
It seems to me as if HTC took what was good with the Desire HD and just doubled it. And sure that is a good formual... but when all of your competiion is doubling + improving it... doubling alone is not enough.
ATM even if u have the original Desire I would say skip on the HTC Sensation.
**Just so its clear I am a HTC Fanboy, but srsly... HTC has been doing this sort of stuff from the Windows Mobile Days... its getting really ridicules. Don't want to see this happening on Android.
Edit: For those who dont know what I mean.. .In Win Mobil days with HTC u generally brought phones every 2 Generations... simply because between generations there was not a very big difference between phones.
I feel HTC may again start doing this with Android... and it is very disappointing!

steve austin said:
However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
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Haha, they basically are. It's called the HTC Holiday. The only difference I've seen in the specs is that it has a 4.5" screen and 1 GB of RAM. I'd link an article, but I don't have enough posts.

aNYthing24 said:
Haha, they basically are. It's called the HTC Holiday. The only difference I've seen in the specs is that it has a 4.5" screen and 1 GB of RAM. I'd link an article, but I don't have enough posts.
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Cheekie bastids!
Grrrrrrrrr!

The one thing I have to add is that RAM is relatively power hungry, so this may have been a factor after some poor battery performances in HTC phones recently.
After using this phone for a week, I can safely say It's not had any performance problems in my usage (web, gaming, video streaming, music playing, online purchases through apps, SIP and voice calls, 2g to WiFi connectivity). The only problem of note so far is that the music widget crashes Sense now and again, but having said that, it did with my HD2 on occasion too.
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Bottom line is that yes they could have made it better, but like others have said it's all down to sales.
While the world is trying to grab the fastest dual core phones which are at around 1.2ghz at the moment, don't think for a minute that the technology doesn't exist to make a 2.0ghz phone with 2gig of ram and even more internal storage with an even fatter battery, because not only does it exist but they are probably already testing it for future phones.
As consumers, we will get what we are given and have very little input as to what that will be, we can moan and moan at HTC or other companies but at the end of the day, it's always down to them.
The sensation will be a great phone i have no doubt but to move from the Desire HD for instance would be a mistake, the Evo 3d looks to be the better HTC phone on paper and will probably win overall when compared to the sensation.
There will be a tonne of people who will see this as the latest and greatest and will make HTC a load of cash so it's a win for HTC and a loss for us (the consumer) again.
Just hope that the dev's on XDA and other places can do their magic and make these phones work the way they were ment to, not how the likes of HTC think they should be, which imho is barely acceptable.

From what I have read, it looks like the Sensation has only the qHD upgraded from DHD, I am waiting for more deep reviews for the camera.
Speaker and screen sunlight performances are the same!
If only we could get a SGS2 with Sense 3.0...

i dont think ram is a big problem on this phone ...
i often get 170 mb free ram after kill all apps with taskmanager ...
i think when we need it we can get it .... especially if we want the most free ram we can get when we want to play games and stuff...
i dont think any app uses more than that at the moment

dladz said:
Bottom line is that yes they could have made it better, but like others have said it's all down to sales.
While the world is trying to grab the fastest dual core phones which are at around 1.2ghz at the moment, don't think for a minute that the technology doesn't exist to make a 2.0ghz phone with 2gig of ram and even more internal storage with an even fatter battery, because not only does it exist but they are probably already testing it for future phones.
As consumers, we will get what we are given and have very little input as to what that will be, we can moan and moan at HTC or other companies but at the end of the day, it's always down to them.
The sensation will be a great phone i have no doubt but to move from the Desire HD for instance would be a mistake, the Evo 3d looks to be the better HTC phone on paper and will probably win overall when compared to the sensation.
There will be a tonne of people who will see this as the latest and greatest and will make HTC a load of cash so it's a win for HTC and a loss for us (the consumer) again.
Just hope that the dev's on XDA and other places can do their magic and make these phones work the way they were ment to, not how the likes of HTC think they should be, which imho is barely acceptable.
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Samsung Galaxy S II breaks 1m sales record in Korea
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung...essor-in-1h-2011-plus-4g-galaxy-tab-20110530/
The article above clearly shows that you can make a quality product, "push" the envelop on current current technology, get great reviews, break sales records AND sell it a price higher than the Sensation. The technology is there and some company's are using it now.

rp-x1 said:
The one thing I have to add is that RAM is relatively power hungry, so this may have been a factor after some poor battery performances in HTC phones recently.
After using this phone for a week, I can safely say It's not had any performance problems in my usage (web, gaming, video streaming, music playing, online purchases through apps, SIP and voice calls, 2g to WiFi connectivity). The only problem of note so far is that the music widget crashes Sense now and again, but having said that, it did with my HD2 on occasion too.
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How many hours can you go performing theses functions before you have to charge up again?

Droid charge our thunder bolt

so the queston its which is better I have a choice for a free upgrade between charge x2 our thunder bolt and I came decide which to go with
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As a charge owner I obviously have a bias here.. But coming from a Droid Incredible first gen, I have to say the charge took me by surprise.
Compared to the thunderbolt, well there is none. Do some research on your own, but ill give you some highlights. 32gb sd card and 2gb onboard ram. Vs the bolts crappy 8gb 768 lol. 1600mAh ion battery vs bolt's 1400. Its a bigger phone and lighter then the bolt.. next time attempt to find your answer instead of asking someone to hold your hand
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nightf0xdev said:
As a charge owner I obviously have a bias here.. But coming from a Droid Incredible first gen, I have to say the charge took me by surprise.
Compared to the thunderbolt, well there is none. Do some research on your own, but ill give you some highlights. 32gb sd card and 2gb onboard ram. Vs the bolts crappy 8gb 768 lol. 1600mAh ion battery vs bolt's 1400. Its a bigger phone and lighter then the bolt.. next time attempt to find your answer instead of asking someone to hold your hand
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That is completely wrong. The Thunderbolt also comes with a 32 gig sd card and has more ram and onboard storage then the Charge does. Either way I owned a Thunderbolt and can't say I enjoyed it as much as I do the Charge. Play with both, both phones are good but I think the Charge is better.

What id I like people hiding my hand
I wanted opinions from actual owners
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Verizon specifically said it comes with a 8 or 16gb sd card with an option to upgrade to a 32gb sd card. all that information was taken directly from verizons website. The sd card information came from a rep at the hub I went to, he was reading off their spec cheat sheet while I was choosing between the bolt or charge.
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I have had both and if u did your research you know the specs my thunderbolt was given to my girlfriend for the charge cause the charge is way better the screen is amazing so got with that hands down
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nightf0xdev said:
As a charge owner I obviously have a bias here.. But coming from a Droid Incredible first gen, I have to say the charge took me by surprise.
Compared to the thunderbolt, well there is none. Do some research on your own, but ill give you some highlights. 32gb sd card and 2gb onboard ram. Vs the bolts crappy 8gb 768 lol. 1600mAh ion battery vs bolt's 1400. Its a bigger phone and lighter then the bolt.. next time attempt to find your answer instead of asking someone to hold your hand
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Umm the Droid Charge has 512MB of ram not 2GB

Just traded my Bolt for this Charge and I couldn't be happier.
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Gf has a charge. Thunderbolt kicks ass compared to it. Rfs is garbage. Even ext4 enabled the charge doesn't compare. The dev support is phenomenal compares to Tue charge too. The display on the charge is sweet though. Idk to each their own. If you plan on flashing some nice roms the bolt is the way to go. Or just wait for the sgs2.
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I've had both. Gave my girl the thunderbolt and I have the charge now. I will say I have been having more data issues with the charge. Also I know its still new but not many rom choices like the thunderbolt.

Let me attempt to give you an unbiased opinion here, the Charge is a great phone but you NEED to work on it.
Straight out of the box a lot of it looks like crap, TouchWiz is slow and poorly designed, the app drawer is a mess and a lot of the primary colors are brown and grey, yuck!
So I rooted my phone(there's a VERY helpful and noob-proof guide on this site) and now it's quadrant scores are nearly doubled, there's no hint of lag anywhere and the GummyCharged UI is so much better then TouchWiz ever was or ever could be.
To finish I guess I'll just give you some things the TB has over the Charge and vise versa.
A kickstand.
A better designed battery door.
HTC Sense craps on TouchWiz
More storage space(memory, gigabytes, etc).
More RAM
With the Charge we've got...
Super Amoled+ display looks a lot better.
Low power screen.
MUCH better battery life.
I personally think it has better placed buttons.
Better call quality(from what I've heard).
I've heard rumors of the TB having reboot and battery issues, can't confirm that though, the big deciding factor for me was the Super Amoled+ screen, if you want full specs check out TB vs Charge on youtube or compare full specs on a site like Phonearena and see what suits you better

Charge owner here. I love the Charge. It's lightweight, the screen is amazing, comes with tons of storage, and batteries and accessories are cheap for the phone. The only negative things I have to say about the phone is there is no notification LED (I previously had a Droid X and I love having an LED) and lastly the lack of ram.
Yes, the Charge has 512mb of ram. The problem is that only 328mb is available for apps. This is due to the way Samsung has the phone set up and I'm guessing the rest is used for the GPU? Anyway, there are times when I'm using the phone and the phone slows down or has to redraw due to insufficient memory available, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does happen it's very annoying having to wait. The phone is new though and hopefully Gingerbread will help in the memory department. Also, the Droid X2 is set up the same way, allocating more memory for the system and gpu, and people complain about slow down on it as well compared to original Droid X that has another 100mb or so of ram available for apps. Other than that, when the phone is running fast it's phenomenal. Yes, 800x480 isn't the highest res screen out there, but you simply can't compare to the insane contrast and amazing colors it produces. Do yourself a favor and watch a movie on one if you can, and you'll see what I mean. You'll be spoiled afterwards.

I had a tbolt for 2 months, and while it was a good phone, I came from an incredible, and it really just seemed like a bigger Inc, there was nothing that screamed 2011 instead of 2010....that said, it eventually began rebooting so often that i had to get a replacement and thge replacement didnt it too, so i decided to try out the Charge as a stop gap until the bionic or sg2 came out. First thing I did was install launcher pro cause touchwiz was bad, and after that i was satisfied to the point I might not even move tot he bionic or sg2. I love how it is so much lighter and the screen is so crisp. The blacks are so dark you cant even see where the screen ends sometimes. I have rooted and installed pbj and gummycharge, but to be honest, it was fine with just launcher pro. The other thing I dont like about the charge is the back cover is very scratch prone, mine has scratches just from being in my pocket....

Well, not sure if I made the right choice but I switched back to the Thunderbolt. Couldn't deal with data issues, YouTube buffering that never happened on the thunderbolt.

I love my thunderbolt!!!!

I have them both. I like the charge over the bolt because of the screen and battery life. The bolt has more devs than the charge. That would be a deciding factor for me. yes the charge is over all a better phone, XDA devs have made improvement to the bolt and in my option has made it a better phone.
god bless root

just got my droid charge today. ive been using a thunderbolt on cm7. hopefully aosp love will be on here.
excuse my name. i came up with it when i had an samsung epic with its gps woes and 7 month wait for froyo. i had to go back to sammy. damn amoled... .
main reason why i switched is the texas sun. cant see a gotdamn thing on the thunderbolt and if i increase the brightness well my battery will be garbage

If you root the thunderbolt is better imo. Unless you work outside a lot, the screen on the charge is a lot eaiser to read.

Lol. You're from h town. Me too. A thunderbolt outside is horrible to read
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nightf0xdev said:
Verizon specifically said it comes with a 8 or 16gb sd card with an option to upgrade to a 32gb sd card. all that information was taken directly from verizons website. The sd card information came from a rep at the hub I went to, he was reading off their spec cheat sheet while I was choosing between the bolt or charge.
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Um, so you basically regurgitate spoon fed (mis)information without
conducting what we call "Due diligence" in order to ascertain if what
was said is fact or fiction? Wow. You might want to become a journalist
with those fact checking skills there bud
My girlfriend has the T-bolt.
-32GB card
-768 RAM
-the 8 GB's of internal storage (not RAM) is more closer to 2.42...
While the charge *only* has (after all installed system components) : 1.17 GB
(of Internal storage memory) NOT RAM
The charge offers
:
-32Gb as well
-ONLY 328 RAM free (after the difference of 512 is allocated for system resources)
See that?
Don't repeat what you've heard as fact unless you have SEEN the actual
figures...k?

[Q] What is HTC doing now ???

There am i thinking HTC were starting to get in touch with its customers
OH NO!!!!
NO EXTERNAL Storage on there New Phones
instead there offering 25gb Cloud storage
so any one that is throttled with there data is well screwed
Why is HTC trying to copy Apple
They will end up in court for one
Plus we buy HTC because there nothing like Apple have have these features
Yes were getting 1GB of memory oooooo thats not alot
Mind You memory and HTC has never been good bed fellows
Do they think we will buy there phones because there more like iphones errrrrr NO !!!
HTC's PR CEO must be a APPLE fan
The other thing is we get a external simm slot
Who wanted this how many times do people change there simm
I think a memo has got mixed up in translation here
eg a external SD slot

HTC is always looking for ways to lower costs. Perhaps in doing this they can improve manufacturing quality.

NO EXTERNAL Storage on there New Phones except cloud - I feel this is the new trend we will be seeing...
Yes were getting 1GB of memory oooooo thats not alot - lets see how well the phones run with ICS and 1GB... I remeber my first laptop only had 256mb until I upgraded it...
The other thing is we get a external simm slot - My gf has 2 phones she constantly switches between, one portable and one smartphone
All in all I think the one x seems like a pretty sweet phone and will probably be my INC2 replacement. Although I'm not a big fan of the non-removable battery....

When I heard about them putting more energy into Beats audio and better cameras.. No HTC phones for more, for a while

THEY'RE ignoring people that don't know THEIR "theirs" from their "theres"! So they don't give a hoot what you think!

They've lost two advantages for android over apple, an external SD card and a removable battery.
I would be done with this move if it had a mega battery, but that 1800mah will probably crap out pretty quick. The 26gb is enough for me so avoiding the nexus becusse of its 16gb isn't so much of an issue here
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yea, im not impressed with the "One" line of phones. I dont like the X simple because of the brick shape that mimics the GS2S look, as i prefer a more rounded look to the phone.
Lack of replaceable battery and mSD slot is a deal breaker. I just purchased a microSD 32gig so im not letting it rot.
Ill keep going after the Amaze.

Well lets hope its not a trend
The S3 should keep the external SD as a dig at Apple
But removable batteries are a must these phones look cheep to me
This opens up it competitors LG seem to be improving and listening and they needed to
My next phone looks like a Razor Max Europe version (unlocked Bootloader)
But yet again HTC cutting costs but were still paying full for them
looks like more custom developers will be leaving there me thinking they listened to XDA

Why on earth would HTC not release the one S with 32GB memory is beyond me.

What I am looking for is a compact phone not a mini TV like the one X or galaxy S3.
My options are one S, xperia S and galaxy S2. One S is overall the superior but annoyingly it is severely gimped by HTC in the storage. Why wont they release the 32GB version and charge a bit more for it?
What does HTC think that I am gonna buy the one X if I want more memory? No HTC there are plenty of other companies fighting to get my $ and there are plenty of phones other than the one X and one S.
Samsung has already sent HTC to the distant second in the android camp and yet they act like they can gimp their second best phone in something so essential as storage. It is one thing not having a technological edge over your competitor okay fine but these sort intentional things to bottleneck your phone are just ridiculous.
The one X is beat by S3 but the one S seems to rule it's category of 4.3" phones. Hurrah HTC for not realizing you had a real winner with the one S. 10GB USB storage is a joke for a phone that can record 1080p video and play all the latest games.
At least they could have used unified storage like the galaxy nexus to make 16GB total space somewhat more acceptable.

that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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that is so true. But to bring only 16gb to europe seems to be more commen these days. The S3 will also only come with 16gb...
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Hmm S3 has 16/32/64GB variants and more importantly all of them have SD card slot so it doesnt matter even if one can only get 16GB one.

We have less than 16gigs on our phone. To use,that is. Very disappointing
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Fully agree!

if storage is an issue...get something else
problem solved!

But it's not that easy choice. The thing is that you don't have that many alternatives in this phone/price class. U don't buy a phone just for SD-slot . I would love to have so powerful handset like One S. I am sure that it'll have a decent devs' support (unlikely to xperia s) pretty soon. Lack of SD-slot makes purchase of One S a quite big compromise though. I think it was extremely stupid move of HTC. They were on a best way to have a crown king of 4.3" phones. If you consider all pros and cons one year old (and of course less powerful but still very solid) S2 doesn't seem a bad choice today.

Yes exactly the S2 may have a slower CPU but other than that it equals or beats the one S in everything else. Better screen, SD card slot and removable battery.
SD card would be a non issue for me with 32GB and removable battery is an advantage but not really a significant one. Comon HTC still you have time, be wise and release a 32GB version.

I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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Lets wait for a kernel hack and maybe we can repartition the space. I don't need 2gb internal storage, only 1gb so this would be a little help.
Also if USB host mode can get enabled, if we are taking recording a few HD videos, we will be able to offload them. Not ideal but a workaround. It wouldn't be so bad if we did actually have 16gb storage, but by default were left with 10gb usable space.
Apparently 4gb is used for the O/S and Sense. This can certainly be halved for me. So hopefully we will be able to get 13gb of usable storage space.

Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did

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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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I've never said that HTC in general is silly(they made a stupid move ). Hold on your horses. I just think that 16 gb of memory (10 gb user available) is a joke when a hq photo weighs 3 mb, and a nand backup approx. 1 GB (Well AOSP based a half of it). It's not about meeting my personal desires. Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (and especially not for a popular and one of the most expensive android phones). And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards. I am aware that One X is a flagship, but come on it doesn't mean users that prefer 4.3" have to "shut up, be grateful" and do not demand anything more than it was brought in 2011. I do not expect a quad-core CPU, it's not my goal. But Galaxy S2 standard with something faster than Mali 400? Why shouldn't I? It's 2012.
For some users it is enough with 10 GB of storage and I respect that. For me is not. I flash a lot of software, I play with theming, and thus I need a lot of free space for roms, mods and nand backups (Sometimes I restore different backups several times a day), + some 3-4 gb for music (not everything can be found on spotify) and video-files.
I still think HTC One S is a very interesting device with huge potential to become a legendary phone, but as any other handset it has its cons that should be taken into consideration before I make my final decision about purchase.

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I really cannot understand you folks.. If you say that HTC is silly because they didn't meet your personal desires, then you're not thinking reasonably enough..
HTC clearly designed the One X as their power horse, not the One S. Due to quad core, NFC and hd display they thought it follows future trends and looking at the SGS3 they had quite the same idea. For those producers 4.8" is now the standard and they believe that people will adept to this, just like they always do. So the One S is not designed to catch power users who would sell their souls for any modern invention, but simply the rest. So it kept 4.3" and to have something special, it got this beautiful design. Neither HTC nor Samsung would have expected even power users to deny 4.8" because of terms of usability. We can be grateful that they got this amazing S4 for the One S because this is, what makes it a competitor to those power horses since quad cores are not nearly fully supported.
BUT: If you produce a high class and a middle class model, then you simply HAVE to make differences to push the max. amount of consumers towards your more expensive high class model. Producers like HTC are well doing in statistical analytics and they just calculated that most people out of the target group for the One S would accept the tradeoff with 16 GB storage. Solo many people complained about the storage, nevertheless ended up buying the One S and made HTC proof.
For me the storage is more than enough. I am making compromises with my smartphone. I have other devices and do not have to carry around my whole library on my phone.
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One X has the HD screen and quad core CPU to lure power users. It doesnt take a power user to not be happy with 10GB storage.
Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
And I wont be buying a 16GB one S, I just made the thread in a very naive hope that maybe someone at HTC would notice lol.
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Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, So users can just upload **** to dropbox or similar, and download some new stuff.. All my pics and videos are automatically sent to the cloud, so i dont need them on my phone 24/7..
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. So for me its absolutely fine... However i do feel a bit ''cheated'' after realising the whole 16gb wasnt useable... I would have imagined it to be about 20gb - 4gb for system/apps whatever and 16gb for the actual user...
but thats life, find a workaround if you really want this phone, the rest of us did
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Cloud storage is BS for everyday usage. Even if one has unlimited it sucks battery.
And it's also an extra element of file management that I would rather not have to deal with.

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Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC. I think the main purpose of the one S to be an option for those who dont like big phones.
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Exactly, One S is HTC's second most expensive device! The crown king of smartphones' world in 2011 was a 4.3" device. Today all flagships are 4.6"+ but it doesn't mean that 4'3" suddenly became low ends with no chances for further development.
I guess it's only Sony that sees the demand for powerful handsets with smaller screens- and I am grateful for that

@m.kochan10: I absolutely agree with you that the storage might become quite little regarding the usage of some of us. And I really don't like HTC to announce a phone with 16GB if there are only 10GB for free purpose. It's quite normal that those storage sizes never are promoted exactly and I'm aware of the fact that you actually can calculate this way since the other GBs actually do exist, but it's not fair regarding people thinking they'll have about 16GB for their media or what else.
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Either SD-slot or more than 16 gb of internal storage is definitely NOT a luxury in 2012 (...) And lack of possibility to extend it is IMO a step backwards.
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There are right and false points in those statements IMHO. You're right that e.g. 32GB internal storage wouldn't be luxury and practicable even without additional costs for the device. But I actually worked for a lot of companies which had to make such decisions and I can guarantee that this is a calculated, strategical, economical decision. The simply want to make differences between those two devices larger. Why?
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Why would HTC want to sell a one X instead of one S? It's not like the one S is some low end phone. A user chooses either phone and it's win-win for HTC.
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Because it means $$$.. Those two devices have most probably the same costs of production, the One S most likely even is more expensive in production and $100 difference per sold device mean a huge amount of capital. Folks I don't want to say that you should "shut up and be grateful", of course not. But complaining about economical decisions of a global player won't change a thing until they sell their devices. The don't give anything about what we think as long as they sell those devices and earn money. Selling the One X is far more lucrative. We simply have to think about the fact, that more than 80% of all world wide consumers actually don't give that much about tech spec as we do here. They like to see and feel a cool, slim, new device that has on letter huge numbers like 12mp cam, 100gb storage and 4ghz octa core cpu's not even knowing what that would be mean but having something to show off with in front of others. But they do not enter forums like this one, the do not root the device, they do not have nandroid backups, custom roms etc. Regarding this we even on Android are the minority. The average user will not complain about 10gb as long as she is able to put some of her music on it, shoot some pics and vids while on the road and installing most popular apps. And if you let people (who did not buy the flagship) choose between a 10mm-device with SD slot and removable battery and a 8mm-device with fixed storage and battery, most average users would choose the slim one. It's all about numbers and $$$, not about what HTC would be able to do. They're simply not willing and have reasons for this.
Regarding SD cards:
I appreciate it to avoid them since they are slow, not state of the art anymore and are trouble makers in any purpose you can think of. Of course from the users point of view it's nice to have extendable and removable storage that is quite cheap as well, but developers actually hate them because app development suffers from this. It's just like always: We have pros and cons here.
So I just want to make sure that I don't want to tell you that it's cool that we only have 10GBs, but that HTC has of course thought about this and that they have clear reasons for their decisions ($).

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Most smartphones come with a high / unlimited data plan, ...
And if you dont have unlimited data, Almost everywhere has wifi, and even some carriers include free wifi hotspots.. /snip
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Really? Most people that I know have 1GB/month dataplans.
And as for universal wifi - this is sorely lacking as well.
Moreover, the first rule of travel: never rely on networks
I think that HTC should have made 16GB available to the user and that would have been fine for me - 10GB is a bit small. But I understand why they didn't.
Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.

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Drawbacks of a microSD slot:
*SD card speed confusion
*battery drain issues (different cards have different current consumption)
*cost and space of a card slot
*lots of people buying microSD cards that are fake or sub-par, thereby creating stability issues that are blamed on HTC, but in fact lie with the card.
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Good points

Now it's interesting discussion. I like that
@kyuubi_ac I agree that manufacturers think first of all about average users that want to enjoy their shiny devices "out of the box" and I understand their decision from a strategic, and microeconomic point of view. Average user doesn't know what is "recovery mode" not to mention a nandroid backup, and for such users 10 GB ... is not a tragedy as long as everything works as it is supposed to.
We...somehow more demanding users must consider every feature more carefully and it's almost always a compromise. Would you like to have a faster CPU/GPU or bigger storage and slightly slower processor? Better camera or unlocked bootloader and better devs' support? All about opportunity costs.

Absolutely agreeing.

I dont agree at all that it was in the best interest of business for HTC to take such decisions. No offense to any HTC fan but if HTC really knew how to do business then they wouldnt have lost so much marketshare to samsung, they wouldnt have made so little profit in the last quarter.
HTC is not apple people dont blindly buy their product, a company like HTC really needs hardcore users to like their devices and then spread the word.
Even apple makes 3 different storage variants of their phones, clearly there is demand for different kinds of storage or else they wont.
Even the low end one V has more storage than one S because it supports SD card pop in a 16GB card and you have total 15.5GB usable memory. OMG see how ridiculous is it??
If HTC wasnt serious about one S they shouldnt have released it. They have essentially ruined the phone for an item that doesnt even cost $20 to manufacture.

[Q] Any reasons not to get the Nexus 5?

Well, I just bought some blackberries on swappa to trade in to t-mobile , then I'm going to sell my higher priced devices for a bit more money. Anyways, when I go to T-Mobile, I wanted to get 2 Nexus 5's. Is there any reason that I should NOT get the Nexus 5?

Yeah wait a few days to see what the S5 looks like. Other than that no. Honestly if the battery life doesn't scare you then it is a great phone.
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The only reasonable reason would be to wait for the upcoming devices the next few days, especially the HTC One v2.
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Yeah wait a few days to see what the S5 looks like. Other than that no. Honestly if the battery life doesn't scare you then it is a great phone.
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Well, seeing as the S5 will almost certainly be locked, or a pita to flash custom stuff, I dont think I'll worry about that. Plus, I'm looking for a phone that already has a wide selection of custom roms and fun stuff. I'm not looking for the latest and the greatest. Just a dependable phone that isn't going to crap out on me like some of the $200 phones ive had in the past. The main reason I'm thinking of getting it is because of its ease to unlock and what not. I'm not a developer, but I'm also not your average joe who can't tell the difference between root and flashing.
Also, keep in mind I do have a Moto X Dev, so how would this compare? I can't keep my dev due to the way the t-mobile ETF deal works ( i have to buy a phone from them, versus buying one online ), so I want a phone that is easily unlockable. I do not care if it voids the warranty, because I'm extremely careful with my phones and I never flash anything that I'm even 1% unsure about.

Features Vs Latest Android Your choice
S5 and other flagships will eventually get the latest but always remember the Nexus line will be first

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Features Vs Latest Android Your choice
S5 and other flagships will eventually get the latest but always remember the Nexus line will be first
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Right. I had an S4 and honestly... Aside from the whole KNOX crap, it was a sucky phone. Touchwiz just made it suck worse. By the time the Nexus 6 comes out, I'm sure I'll have money to upgrade to it, but in the present, I'm just looking for a phone thats easy to customize. Apparently rooting and unlocking the phone is easy from what I've read. Considering I have a Nexus 7, it is pretty much the same thing for the unlock process. And then if I need to trade it in toward the Nexus 6 later on, I'll just flash stock and lock.
I mean features are nice but... for instance: the Galaxy S4 comes with Screen Mirroring, S Beam, and all that stuff. Now i'm just pulling this out of my head, but how many people actually use the features on a daily basis to make it worth the extra 200? I know I dont, thus why I felt like an idiot for getting the S4 in the first place. With the Nexus 5, from what I understand, you get the latest updates, you don't get bloat, and it's easy to customize vs going around Knox or buying a certain firmware'd (yes I know that is grammatically incorrect) phone such as the MDK build for the S4 just to customize.

if you want a device that has a lot of stable custom roms then look no further. Nothing compares to nexus devices when it comes to the developer community
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if you want a device that has a lot of stable custom roms then look no further. Nothing compares to nexus devices when it comes to the developer community
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Well that is mostly what I am looking for so I guess I found the perfect fit.

SwiftLeeO said:
Well that is mostly what I am looking for so I guess I found the perfect fit.
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and also in terms of battery life I find it similar to my S4 (in my personal experience) - so it's not bad but nothing spectacular either
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I just upgraded from an HTC One S, and believe me it's better to have a phone that will keep getting updates than getting one with the latest manufacturer features, because those features will get outdated, like HTC little stunt where they just stopped updating the One S after a year.
Additionally the battery life isn't so bad with some tweaking and management and is about the same for most smartphones with large displays and quad-core processors (main culprits for battery consumption. Had mine for a few weeks now and I'm getting 12-16 hours with normal use.

best phone ive ever owned. but s5 does look good.... but for an unlocked phone from google for cheap... is good.

Honestly, This phone sounds like the exact thing you (the op) is looking for. But, it warrants disclosing that there's a reason there is so much discussion about the battery and camera on this device... They are truly the weakest parts this phone has. And depending on your use, it could be crippling, even with modification. But if you only want customization and need nothing else, look no further.
for me, these "issues" coupled with a lack of sd expansion, has made for a tough ride. To the point that I've decided to wait for whatever new things get announced in the coming weeks and I'm jumping ship.. But those are just my needs, you, and most other people would probably be perfectly fine with this phone. it's a a great phone, don't get me wrong, it's just not for me, which is a bummer, because I love the concept of the nexus line..
Unfortunately, besides this phone, T-Mobile's current crop of phones don't really have customizability AND things like sd card slots and a better battery/camera, outside of Samsung, and those phones are hundreds of dollars more..
In my opinion, If the T-Mobile xperia line was unlockable, it would be a juggernaut actually worth the extra money.
Just thought a differing opinion might help you weigh out your decision.

Shane_IL said:
I just upgraded from an HTC One S, and believe me it's better to have a phone that will keep getting updates than getting one with the latest manufacturer features, because those features will get outdated, like HTC little stunt where they just stopped updating the One S after a year.
Additionally the battery life isn't so bad with some tweaking and management and is about the same for most smartphones with large displays and quad-core processors (main culprits for battery consumption. Had mine for a few weeks now and I'm getting 12-16 hours with normal use.
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Yeah I mean my S4 wasnt too bad on battery, but I'm sure the N5 will be better. I'm not one to sit on my phone all day long, so even 7 hours wouldnt be bad. Plus, if it gets to the point where I need more battery, I could always buy one of those ZeroLemon battery cases.

theminigame said:
Honestly, This phone sounds like the exact thing you (the op) is looking for. But, it warrants disclosing that there's a reason there is so much discussion about the battery and camera on this device... They are truly the weakest parts this phone has. And depending on your use, it could be crippling, even with modification. But if you only want customization and need nothing else, look no further.
for me, these "issues" coupled with a lack of sd expansion, has made for a tough ride. To the point that I've decided to wait for whatever new things get announced in the coming weeks and I'm jumping ship.. But those are just my needs, you, and most other people would probably be perfectly fine with this phone. it's a a great phone, don't get me wrong, it's just not for me, which is a bummer, because I love the concept of the nexus line..
Unfortunately, besides this phone, T-Mobile's current crop of phones don't really have customizability AND things like sd card slots and a better battery/camera, outside of Samsung, and those phones are hundreds of dollars more..
In my opinion, If the T-Mobile xperia line was unlockable, it would be a juggernaut actually worth the extra money.
Just thought a differing opinion might help you weigh out your decision.
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Oh yeah I know all about the camera, battery, volume level, etc. The thing is I rarely ever take pictures, so that solves the camera problem. The battery problem can be remedied with an external battery (right?). The volume level is just its own thing, so I'll have to max it for the ringtone, but as far as music goes, as long as I wear headphones (which I always do), the music quality should just depend on the bitrate and how good my headphones are.
I saw those Xperias' the other day. Your saying they will not SIM unlock the phones? or are you talking about the bootloader?

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Yeah wait a few days to see what the S5 looks like. Other than that no. Honestly if the battery life doesn't scare you then it is a great phone.
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Battery life is what you make of it.
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Oh yeah I know all about the camera, battery, volume level, etc. The thing is I rarely ever take pictures, so that solves the camera problem. The battery problem can be remedied with an external battery (right?). The volume level is just its own thing, so I'll have to max it for the ringtone, but as far as music goes, as long as I wear headphones (which I always do), the music quality should just depend on the bitrate and how good my headphones are.
I saw those Xperias' the other day. Your saying they will not SIM unlock the phones? or are you talking about the bootloader?
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sound level is also remedied with a simple flash of zip.

After being accustomed to SD card slot, the lack of it in Nexus was the biggest draw back for me. Luckily, I managed to get around that issue by using a Meenova Microusb reader, very handy and certainly a must especially if you're going for the 16gig version. Other than that I managed to get around the battery life issue with Greenified and a custom kernel while UV the **** out of it. It gives me about 5-6 SOT which is on par with devices like the S4 or HO so no complains there. I'd say go for it. I was reluctant on getting the Nexus 5, but after seeing the rapid and consistent developments took place in a matter of weeks, I was sold.
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bushako said:
After being accustomed to SD card slot, the lack of it in Nexus was the biggest draw back for me. Luckily, I managed to get around that issue by using a Meenova Microusb reader, very handy and certainly a must especially if you're going for the 16gig version. Other than that I managed to get around the battery life issue with Greenified and a custom kernel while UV the **** out of it. It gives me about 5-6 SOT which is on par with devices like the S4 or HO so no complains there. I'd say go for it. I was reluctant on getting the Nexus 5, but after seeing the rapid and consistent developments took place in a matter of weeks, I was sold.
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Yeah I have a Moto X Dev atm and even though it has 32gb , I still wanted to do my nandroid backup to SD rather than internal storage (works with CWM, not sure about TWRP), so I got a little Meenova reader. The problem is my computer won't recognize the darn thing when I plug it into any USB port. I use the adapter, but for some reason it says device not recognized and then it won't work. I searched for drivers and there are none to be found. I don't want to have to buy a SD card reader for my PC, so if you have any tips please do let me know. Otherwise, I guess I can shell out 20-30 dollars for a sd reader.

theminigame said:
Honestly, This phone sounds like the exact thing you (the op) is looking for. But, it warrants disclosing that there's a reason there is so much discussion about the battery and camera on this device... They are truly the weakest parts this phone has. And depending on your use, it could be crippling, even with modification. But if you only want customization and need nothing else, look no further.
for me, these "issues" coupled with a lack of sd expansion, has made for a tough ride. To the point that I've decided to wait for whatever new things get announced in the coming weeks and I'm jumping ship.. But those are just my needs, you, and most other people would probably be perfectly fine with this phone. it's a a great phone, don't get me wrong, it's just not for me, which is a bummer, because I love the concept of the nexus line..
Unfortunately, besides this phone, T-Mobile's current crop of phones don't really have customizability AND things like sd card slots and a better battery/camera, outside of Samsung, and those phones are hundreds of dollars more..
In my opinion, If the T-Mobile xperia line was unlockable, it would be a juggernaut actually worth the extra money.
Just thought a differing opinion might help you weigh out your decision.
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Sounds like you could have used the 32Gb version. If you care about storage expansion yet buy the 16Gb (all that's offered in stores unfortunately) it's kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
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bblzd said:
Sounds like you could have used the 32Gb version. If you care about storage expansion yet buy the 16Gb (all that's offered in stores unfortunately) it's kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
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That's not really the issue.. I use a 64gb SD card for all my music.. And it only has 4Gb left. I like to carry all my music with me. So 32gb minus formatting and system use for the phone and even less after apps.. Leaves around 22 gigs which is less than half of what I need for music... My solution is USB otg.. But is a huge battery hog... And I don't have the data to stream nonstop. So, like I said, It's a great phone, just not really for me.
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After being accustomed to SD card slot, the lack of it in Nexus was the biggest draw back for me. Luckily, I managed to get around that issue by using a Meenova Microusb reader, very handy and certainly a must especially if you're going for the 16gig version. Other than that I managed to get around the battery life issue with Greenified and a custom kernel while UV the **** out of it. It gives me about 5-6 SOT which is on par with devices like the S4 or HO so no complains there. I'd say go for it. I was reluctant on getting the Nexus 5, but after seeing the rapid and consistent developments took place in a matter of weeks, I was sold.
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I actually bought that little meenova reader. It's a great little device. But USB otg really works the battery over.. And I'm constantly listening to music, my job consists of me being in my car for extended periods and I stream my music over blue tooth. So my battery goes pretty quickly, even with a custom kernel that's been pretty heavily undervolted...
SwiftLeeO said:
Yeah I have a Moto X Dev atm and even though it has 32gb , I still wanted to do my nandroid backup to SD rather than internal storage (works with CWM, not sure about TWRP), so I got a little Meenova reader. The problem is my computer won't recognize the darn thing when I plug it into any USB port. I use the adapter, but for some reason it says device not recognized and then it won't work. I searched for drivers and there are none to be found. I don't want to have to buy a SD card reader for my PC, so if you have any tips please do let me know. Otherwise, I guess I can shell out 20-30 dollars for a sd reader.
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Your card will read outside of the reader? The stuff that came with my meenova works perfectly fine when plugged into the pc.. Maybe it's your SD card format? Either way, that's a bummer, I would just try to troubleshoot it before spending extra money on another card reader..
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Tipper554 said:
Screen cracks so easily!
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Anyone know how much to fix?
Thanks in advance.
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