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Themers, DEVs, come in!

I am offering you more publicity for your work on my website, www.market4android.com
What you get:
A publishing account so you can post your own articles based on your work, etc. This brings your work more publicity and you can get more people running your work on their phones!
User input from people who install your work from my site!
Feel free to sign up or an account, but once you do you must email me at [email protected] or PM me here, so I can verify you are who you say you are before I give you access to publish!
Looking forward to seeing some of you show up! Have a good one!

Oh Hell, you have a donate button. That will cause drama here.
Hopefully the start of something good.
Good luck!

Kcarpenter said:
Oh Hell, you have a donate button. That will cause drama here.
Hopefully the start of something good.
Good luck!
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Nothing wrong with that especially when he server I am hosting the site on is $99 a month If someone appreciates what I am doing they have the opportunity to show it in the form of helping me cover cost.
Definitely will be the start of something good, but it seems that nobody wants their work to be discovered by people who may not have a clue what XDA is.

Sarcasm in text gets me every time. I was trying to make fun of the ones who cry about people who have donate buttons and how unfair it is to those who don't donate when they get stuff after it has been well tested. 90210 kind of stuff.

Now let's all take a deep breath and relax...........ok, here goes.
Isn't this like entering someone's business and asking people to come to your's instead?
Aren't the DEV's who are here, here due to the fact that XDA is where most everyone gravitates to for this type of information and MOD's?
Not that I have any interest in the whole of XDA, but saying and asking people to come to your site so they can get better exposure...........
Thanks,
Bubba.

bubbacs1 said:
Now let's all take a deep breath and relax...........ok, here goes.
Isn't this like entering someone's business and asking people to come to your's instead?
Aren't the DEV's who are here, here due to the fact that XDA is where most everyone gravitates to for this type of information and MOD's?
Not that I have any interest in the whole of XDA, but saying and asking people to come to your site so they can get better exposure...........
Thanks,
Bubba.
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I do not think he is trying to take people away from XDA. More like helping to double the exposure. Kinda like, you can go to Sony's website and buy stuff there or you can go to Best buy and get it there.

Yeah but you don't see blue/yellow shirted best buy employees standing IN sony stores telling people they have the product also!
Thanks,
Bubba.

bubbacs1 said:
Yeah but you don't see blue/yellow shirted best buy employees standing IN sony stores telling people they have the product also!
Thanks,
Bubba.
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I understand your point. However he is, in his own way, trying to help the devs get exposure. His donate button is just that a donate button. It says no where that they have to pay to play. If this is not the case then I will eat my words but that is the way I see it.

animal7296 said:
I understand your point. However he is, in his own way, trying to help the devs get exposure. His donate button is just that a donate button. It says no where that they have to pay to play. If this is not the case then I will eat my words but that is the way I see it.
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Can we not turn yet another thread into a conspiracy theory thing?
Quoted the wrong person. You get the point.

smw6180 said:
Can we not turn yet another thread into a conspiracy theory thing?
Quoted the wrong person. You get the point.
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Thanks for clarifying the wrong quote. I thought that there was a subliminal message hidden in my text somewhere that I was unaware of. LOLOL

jerry43812 said:
I am offering you more publicity for your work on my website, www.market4android.com
What you get:
A publishing account so you can post your own articles based on your work, etc. This brings your work more publicity and you can get more people running your work on their phones!
User input from people who install your work from my site!
Feel free to sign up or an account, but once you do you must email me at [email protected] or PM me here, so I can verify you are who you say you are before I give you access to publish!
Looking forward to seeing some of you show up! Have a good one!
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Try to make it so Individual accounts can be browsed, Just makes it easier to look for what you need or want

I don't think there is any thing wrong with this. I use google reader to access daily information and when something pops up I come here for more information. This is where most information starts.

Shadow591 said:
Try to make it so Individual accounts can be browsed, Just makes it easier to look for what you need or want
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thank you for your suggestion. Will work on implementing it soon.
Also in reply to this quote, I'll need devs who want exposure to my traffic to come throw up a quick account so I can attribute articles to your username, so they can be searched this way!
In response to the other comments posted here... I will quote each one and reply shortly.

Kcarpenter said:
Sarcasm in text gets me every time. I was trying to make fun of the ones who cry about people who have donate buttons and how unfair it is to those who don't donate when they get stuff after it has been well tested. 90210 kind of stuff.
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Not sure what you're saying here, dude, but if there's some kind of remark you're trying to put across, subliminally, don't be a sugar coater. Put it out there. I myself have NEVER said a word about a donate button on ANY dev's rom or anything, so the last thing that needs to happen here is false accusations.
IF and ONLY IF this was nothing to do with me personally, disregard my words, dude. Just making sure we have clarity here.

jerry43812 said:
Not sure what you're saying here, dude, but if there's some kind of remark you're trying to put across, subliminally, don't be a sugar coater. Put it out there. I myself have NEVER said a word about a donate button on ANY dev's rom or anything, so the last thing that needs to happen here is false accusations.
IF and ONLY IF this was nothing to do with me personally, disregard my words, dude. Just making sure we have clarity here.
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@jerry
Sarcasm followed by a flat out explanation is obviously lost on you.
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bubbacs1 said:
Now let's all take a deep breath and relax...........ok, here goes.
Isn't this like entering someone's business and asking people to come to your's instead?
Aren't the DEV's who are here, here due to the fact that XDA is where most everyone gravitates to for this type of information and MOD's?
Not that I have any interest in the whole of XDA, but saying and asking people to come to your site so they can get better exposure...........
Thanks,
Bubba.
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Yeah but you don't see blue/yellow shirted best buy employees standing IN sony stores telling people they have the product also!
Thanks,
Bubba.
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In reply to this I would like to first off state "To each his own". That's your opinion and I cannot change it but I can put the honest facts out there to clear up your attempt at making my work look like criminal.
First off, I don't really care about 'taking' people from XDA> Not my intention. If you would take a second and read the first post, you'll notice that I am offering accounts on my website to increase exposure to traffic that may not even know what XDA is!!! Now, that should have stopped your remarks right there, but I won't even jump into that bandwagon.
Think of it this way, since you seem to like to use analogies. I worked at Radio Shack who sold Sprint cell phones. Some of my customers had never been to a sprint store, but I got sprint that exposure cuz I was a beast at selling phones back in the day. Was I stealing people from Sprint? Hell no. In fact, I was guiding them TO Sprint!
Here's another one. I currently work online as a webmaster, and I own probably 20 websites. I market certain products for certain people/companies, and the surfers come and buy. Am I stealing them customers? Nope, I think not.

danknee said:
@jerry
Sarcasm followed by a flat out explanation is obviously lost on you.
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That message could have sent a subliminal shot to someone, unknowingly. Personally I am the OP of this thread and thought maybe that dude was trying to insinuate something, so just wanted to clear it up dude. No hard feelings here LOL!

OK, it seems that some people are to sensitive.... I see no problem with this Idea.... "People in the land of poor sense".... ITS CALLED!!! "Word of mouth"... In this action, we avoid ingesting "Corporate America's "BULL****"!
There, I said it. I'm really not sorry if i offended anybody.. But I If i did... sorry, First Amendment.

So, now that I've replied to everyone, I would absolutely love to hear some more suggestions on how I can improve the site for anyone who would visit it! I know the design isn't the hottest thing to hit the web, but that will come in time!
Since I am donating all my time into this, if someone has some hot design skills and wants to hook this site up with a hot design, feel free to PM me. I'd use one that exists already, but really... I am sick of being the same as everyone else.

Wire P. Snyder said:
OK, it seems that some people are to sensitive.... I see no problem with this Idea.... "People in the land of poor sense".... ITS CALLED!!! "Word of mouth"... In this action, we avoid ingesting "Corporate America's "BULL****"!
There, I said it. I'm really not sorry if i offended anybody.. But I If i did... sorry, First Amendment.
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Rather interesting... but OK LOL!

Over the whine-boys in the forum!!!

This may be a BS thread, and may get close, deleted or cause me to get banned, but something has to be said.
THIS PHONE HAS BEEN OUT FOR 3 FRIGGIN WEEKS!!!!!!! GET OVER NOT HAVE A TON OF DEVELOPMENT OUT THE BOX!!!!!
Lets get real people. Phones like the G1, myTouch 3G and Nexus One did NOT have a ton of development from the get go. They took months before multiple ROM's, custom Launcher's, custom App's, themes and so on were available. If you were a late bloomer to any of the phones (3+ months after release) then you would not know this and you would not know that ROM development does NOT happen overnight. So STOP whining. Guys like G8gorilla, persiansown and teamsilence (to name a few) are NOT here for YOUR benefit. They develop ROM's, MOD's, and changes because it is what THEY want to do to THEIR phone. They decide to share it with you because that is the type of people they are. Sometimes, some of us, donate to them to thank them for their time, BUT THAT IS IS, ITS A DONATION FOR A THANKS, NOT PAYMENT.
If you do not like the Development we have in just 3 weeks of release on this phone, then BUY A FRIGGIN NEXUS!!!!! And quit whining. If you bought this phone based solely on the development capabilities, then friggin learn how to develop, stop putting it on other members and again, QUIT WHINING!!!!
SHEESH!!!

setzer715 said:
This may be a BS thread, and may get close, deleted or cause me to get banned, but something has to be said.
THIS PHONE HAS BEEN OUT FOR 3 FRIGGIN WEEKS!!!!!!! GET OVER NOT HAVE A TON OF DEVELOPMENT OUT THE BOX!!!!!
Lets get real people. Phones like the G1, myTouch 3G and Nexus One did NOT have a ton of development from the get go. They took months before multiple ROM's, custom Launcher's, custom App's, themes and so on were available. If you were a late bloomer to any of the phones (3+ months after release) then you would not know this and you would not know that ROM development does NOT happen overnight. So STOP whining. Guys like G8gorilla, persiansown and teamsilence (to name a few) are NOT here for YOUR benefit. They develop ROM's, MOD's, and changes because it is what THEY want to do to THEIR phone. They decide to share it with you because that is the type of people they are. Sometimes, some of us, donate to them to thank them for their time, BUT THAT IS IS, ITS A DONATION FOR A THANKS, NOT PAYMENT.
If you do not like the Development we have in just 3 weeks of release on this phone, then BUY A FRIGGIN NEXUS!!!!! And quit whining. If you bought this phone based solely on the development capabilities, then friggin learn how to develop, stop putting it on other members and again, QUIT WHINING!!!!
SHEESH!!!
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There, there dear, I love you. lol

Heck yeah!!!
I've answered several threads about this and really it took a long time for all the threads about the G1 and mytouch 3g to blow up.
Yeah +1... People need to give it a rest!

Thanks for saying what I was thinking!

I bought this phone for the hardware and how much my MyTouch3G lasted. I will be patient and wait for the development, everyone should as well. If your not gonna be patient go buy a subpar G2 or N1.

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Hell yes, chill the f*ck out people.

The OP really puts everything he has into his posts.

Call it like it is...
Well said brother.

Just add my five cents)
This phone is not need to be in development. It always has all things. We got S-OFF and perma-root. We can delete crap stock apps, can modify system.
If will Android 2.3 released, we will get it, cause T-Mobile cares about customers last time (not all time, but release Android 2.2 for MT3G family - it's a great action)
What do you want whine-boys? SenseUI? MotoBlur? Samsung Home?
If yes, why did you buy MyTouch 4G?

I give this thread 8hrs till "whosdaman" deletes it.
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I'll leave it open because Imdaman. But it's being moved to general section.
Likewise I agree, and a few of us were already discussing this matter in the #HTC_Glacier channel on freenode on IRC

Just little "hear hear" from the perspective of a developer. Devs are not here as your servants. if you want something developed, do it yourself. People will help you out, if you ask for help, and give the info needed to answer it.
If you're here to hassle developers, and flame, don't do it here. Developers do this for fun, and are more than entitled to abandon the device and move to one where they're more appreciated.
So don't shoot yourselves in the feet here folks. look after your devs, and they'll look after you.

pulser_g2 said:
Just little "hear hear" from the perspective of a developer. Devs are not here as your servants. if you want something developed, do it yourself. People will help you out, if you ask for help, and give the info needed to answer it.
If you're here to hassle developers, and flame, don't do it here. Developers do this for fun, and are more than entitled to abandon the device and move to one where they're more appreciated.
So don't shoot yourselves in the feet here folks. look after your devs, and they'll look after you.
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This
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You have a very good point, truth be told, I got the phone cause of the hardware and the main thing I want is stock android cause I like how it looks and want to use my wiimote lol but otherwise I can honestly say I am satisfied and if I knew how to develop I would but im grateful for those who do put in their hard work.
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what is root
i agree with op.

GentMAB said:
You have a very good point, truth be told, I got the phone cause of the hardware and the main thing I want is stock android cause I like how it looks and want to use my wiimote lol but otherwise I can honestly say I am satisfied and if I knew how to develop I would but im grateful for those who do put in their hard work.
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haha +1 for the wiimote.

I agree... the whiners about not getting root immediately at release or custom rom's, are the same jerk offs that buy a tent a Walmart, use it, and return it at after using it...
Or flame people who ask questions in the forums...
Its time to grow up, move out of your parents basement, after all your 18+ years old, AND GET A LIFE..
Aloha from beautiful Hawaii

surfnhawaii808 said:
I agree... the whiners about not getting root immediately at release or custom rom's, are the same jerk offs that buy a tent a Walmart, use it, and return it at after using it...
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That was strangely specific.

on the topic of whiners that don't contribute...if you *****ed about not having a working CM6 port, help out and donate so we can get Zinx a MT4G to finish the port for us.
Donation Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858927

itmustbejj said:
on the topic of whiners that don't contribute...if you *****ed about not having a working CM6 port, help out and donate so we can get Zinx a MT4G to finish the port for us.
Donation Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858927
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Yeah +1.... Donate even if you aren't a whining baby. lol

Serious question about gingerbread video drivers

Gtab gingerbread video drivers
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!

Well it was nice knowing you

crutzulee said:
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!
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Toss out some more wisdom.. I'm currently rounding up the easter bunny, a couple unicorns, and at least a dozen leprechauns and we're forming a development team. We're awaiting your next command.. EB will out for a few weeks due to some scheduling issues and a nasty NDA lawsuit/tieup with the lollipop guild. But we'll get it done!

spoke to madhatter and cheshire cat. they promised GB &HC nvidia drivers by midnight.

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This calls for a double facepalm

Wow. Just wow. Is it bad that I'm anxiously awaiting the flaming?

sixvoltsystem said:
This calls for a double facepalm
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Quoted for truth.
I've seen decompiled drivers. It haunts my dreams.

I guess these Gingy drivers are the new Honeycomb.

Closing this before it gets WAY out of hand.

Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
But I understand that not everyone gets my sense of humour (take my wife....please)-sorry couldn't help myself..from now on this thread will be SERIOUS- devoid of humour.
The original question remains. Do we need Nvidia for these drivers?
Can the existing froyo ones be used to fashion gingerbread drivers or is that completely out of the question?
Someone alluded to an NDA? Does this make such an undertaking illegal? If so then the idea is dead in the water...enough said.
If it is do-able, then I, as one who is unskilled, would like to spearhead the collection to make an offering to the developer(s) who can make this happen.
So...thoughts?
SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY!

Can you please link to the other thread you were talking about? I'd like to read it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038462
Here you go.....

@goodintentions
Oh, my old friend. Good to see you back and stirring the pot again.
So I think it is possible for people who aren't Nvidia to write these drivers. I'm an Ubuntu user and I know that I use open source drivers all the time, written by the community. However, I do think that much is needed from the original hardware manufactures in order for those drivers to be written. Thats what we haven't received from Nvidia yet. However, in my couple of years with Android ROMs and watching forums, I've never seen anyone write drivers for any phone or tablet. True, I could have missed something. I think that writing a driver for a printer and writing a driver for 3D acceleration are a bit of a different animal. Could they? Maybe. But if they could, don't you think they would have?
I'd love 3D on the Tab for Gingerbread, but I'm willing to be patient and not harass these fine people who bring us such awesome software.
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Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
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And as for you...you salty dog. You better watch yourself or you'll get banned before you can say, well, Gingerbread drivers! The discussion is welcome, I'm sure, but keep in mind that the devs can only work with what they are given. Let's help and give feedback rather than starting a good ol' fashioned Jim Leahy ****storm.

Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.

Ok, all joking aside. Its a fair question. Code here and there can be tweaked to suit our needs, so why not drivers? How about you dive in and make it happen? My guess is that the way Gingerbread interacts with the kernel interacts other the drivers is lightyears away from the way Froyo plays. At least that's what's I've taken away from the discussions about Gingerbread. I think it is a matter that takes more intervention from Nvidia than we realize. Again, if it was doable I think that a dev would have piped up and said that they were at least working on the issue. Right now our best bet is letting Nvidia know by kindly emailing that there is a user base eager for drivers. Gently. And leave the devs alone. Really. And the banning thing is for real. Remember that you're here essentially for free, and so is their work.
So donate! And write us some damn drivers so that others can donate to you!

crutzulee said:
Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.
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Alright, I'm going to bite here.
1.) Regarding the comment about an NDA. nVidia has many patents on the technology that resides inside their drivers, as well as other technology that they don't want the outside world seeing. In Linux and with Android, they're just going to supply binaries, unless a partner signs an NDA, giving them access to the source code.
2.) All it takes is a slight change in the interaction between the kernel and the driver, to break it. Saying "just take the Froyo drivers and put them in Gingerbread" is severely understating the effort. If it were as easy as you think, it would have been done by now.
3.) Legally speaking, reverse engineering a driver, or decompiling code can break the DMCA law. I won't comment on my opinion of this law, but needless to say, the latest trouble the GeoHot got into over reverse engineering the PS3, speaks enough to the hesitation you'll find in people doing these things moving forward... at least in publishing them. The crime becomes even more severe the second a dev takes one of the "donations" setup here. Now they are profiting from the act.
4.) Both nVidia and AMD are starting to release open source drivers for their hardware in linux, but the open source drivers are much different than the closed source.
Lastly, this is just a comment. Look at how many people post here with issue of installing ROMs, just because they can't follow simple directions. Writing low level code for a kernel is not a simple task for people professionally code, let alone "enthusiasts". It takes an intimate knowledge of how linux works, then the subtleties of the changes Android has made to the kernel, then a lot of educated guesses and research, because all of the detailed specs and documentation just aren't made available to the enthusiasts.
End of the day, unless you're willing to fork over some serous cash to one of the devs on here, I wouldn't ask "why can't you just do this, you must not have thought of it, right?". Chances are, they are already 10 steps ahead of you and thought about that and quickly dismissed it, 6 months before you even knew what Android was.

Thanks h3llphyre for your response. You have made clear some of the things that I was uncertain about and was trying to get straight. Most importantly, that there are some legal issues surrounding what I am proposing and that the difficulty level may not make such an undertaking worthwhile.
Your last paragraph still leaves me greatly dismayed that I am greatly misunderstood.
Rest assured that I have donated to devs here and elswhere for their work and, as a person who cannot, greatly appreciate those who can.
My original post was meant to poke fun at those who come on here with a sense of entitlement demanding things like this. If you read other posts written by me in other threads you'd see this. Indeed if you re-read my original thread (with the devilish smiley) you'd see where I was coming from.
I felt like a looser that my original post was soooo misunderstood. I feel like an even bigger loser having to explain it.

Merging and reopening after receiving this from the OP....
crutzulee said:
Hey Jerdog,
I THINK most people got my tongue in cheek humour in my thread about gingerbread video drivers being built from the ground up.
Did you really have to close the thread? Behind the humour was what I thought was a legitimate question.
Someone alluded to an NDA issue with this being done. I am fully aware that if these could be produced either easily or with some effort the devs here would do it.
My thread was an attempt to gain some understanding of how complex this undertaking would be. Could it be done? Would it break an NDA and thus be illegal? Is it just an onerous task where the unskillled (like myself) could donate money and be available for beta testing for a dev willing to undertake it.
Could the thread be re-opened with this PM pasted in for those that don't get or appreciate my brand of humour?
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Merging and reopening after receiving this from the OP....
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@jerdog
You're a saint. I'm glad there is some further explanation behind this thread. I think it is a good, if not inflammatory question.

This right here

This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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he wasn't attacking me in that post, but it did get out of hand.

Read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24175376&postcount=16
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196352&postcount=45
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196941&postcount=46
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24197277&postcount=47
If you still don't get why developers leave this forum, you lose.
Spending time trying to wrangle the forums and keep our threads clean is the reason you don't have MIUI or CM-anything.
Respect.

eollie said:
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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1. Age doesn't matter.
2. What comes out of your mouth at any age is what matters.
3. Can you seriously stop with these posts dude, you talk big even reported me to the mods no? Leave Raver alone it's his thread if he wants to remove it, then it's his work to remove. You have no say in what he does and you don't know why he removed it so don't assume it's because he got butthurt.
Hopefully mods remove the thread and give you a strike.

Eollie
Most of us don't think poorly of devs at all. Quite the opposite actually. We think poorly of people like you who feel a need to stand on a soapbox and tell the rest of us how to act. If you feel that need as it seems you do maybe focus your energies elsewhere. Like Big Brother or some other such charity where you can impart your moral and social ideas on someone who may actually give a ****. The rest of us here are adults, including airfluip, and will act how we feel accordingly. I fully stand behind Bryan and Raver. To coin an old line "If your not part of the solution your part of the problem."

@bryan cool you know how to copy and paste. Actually the fact you cant ignore the noise and just focus is why we dont have the roms like other phones. When you guys have bad days you come here and thrash people for whatever reason you can find.
@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
@hechoen There are more people that have left this place based on the reaction of the current developers than you would even care to believe. Look at the devs that have left. Read their threads. You dont see them posting things like have been posted in the past four months. Whitehawkx just stopped posting period he ignored the noise and did what he did best and develop. I truly believe if you cant ignore the noise then you shouldnt be trying to develop period. This happens every where. Doesnt matter if you get paid or not. Either do it because you like it or dont do it at all.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.

Thanks for treating me like everyone else hechoen.
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eollie said:
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt.
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Eollie, you're a twit.
The only way you'd possibly be right would be... oh, wait, nevermind... there isn't a way.
I come back to the forums less and less. I stopped testing new roms, stopped providing feedback, not because of the attitude of the devs, but because of the same BS that leads up to threads like the one you posted.
These guys come in here and do their thing for free mostly, because they can, and because they like to do it.
Then they get crapped on and it stops being fun.
I have my own side gigs and hobbies, and when people start demanding I change this or that, in work I freely created for my own enjoyment, they get a lot worse treatment from me than these forums have seen from the developers.
I can empathize with them...
It's their hobby, their fun, if someone doesn't like what they produce, or the speed at which they produce it, then that someone needs to do it themselves.
Study, learn, and crank out their own stuff, the way they want it, and then let's see how they like the *****fest that happens around here...
People don't leave because the devs are being dickish, the devs leave because 'Joe User' is being dickish.
Don't forget where you are, when I look at the top of the page I see XDA-Developers. Not XDA-Whinyassdemandingendusers.
@Bryan, I was happy to see you come back, but I wouldn't have a single harsh thing to say if you packed up and left again.
@Raver - if you're still reading over here... I enjoyed your work, and remember, Joke 'em if they can't take a f*.
I wrote this post before clicking on all of Bryan's links... now I realize I was being redundant, but screw it, I wrote it, and I'm still PO'd enough to think it's needs said again.

eollie said:
I count the days until I can get a different phone.
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Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"

We should really lock this thread.
It is going to become a flame war.
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eollie said:
@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.
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I agree with this post completely I am that same exact guy and yes. It probably was my fault for getting MIUI closed because I was sticking up for someone but I guess that's not the appropriate thing to do when someone tells someone else to GTFO. But now I have to "think" before I say something because someone told me to.. hmm.
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@Core618 flame on dude.
If you think I dont appreciate the time and effort put into what is done then you are wrong. I do. Just because this is xda-developers doesnt mean the developers have the right to act like butthurt little tards.
If your not disgusted at how grown men trashed a fourteen year old kid then something is wrong with you. Leading by example and teaching is what they should have been doing. Instead it resorted to banning him from irc and then coming to xda to talk trash on him. Today because somebody had a bad day/night they pick up and start it again. Then when somebody steps up and says something in defense they get trashed and lo and behold the miui thread is closed..
For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?

eollie said:
For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?
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That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
Lastly, and i do mean last post, this is a dev community where people post their work not your own personal diary where you write what you think is right or wrong. If you want to do that then go here: http://www.melodramatic.com/
No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
Bye eTROLLie hopefully you get a job soon that can help you afford that new phone and make you go away from this one.

hechoen said:
Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"
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LMFAO, dude your gmail is peck blower? hahah now i see why you're mad
sorry about posting again after i said i wasnt but that was too funny.

erikmm said:
That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
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Funny how the only people telling me Im wrong have been the same lemmings that follow raver from thread to thread fawning his ego, same group that follows every move bryan makes.
erikmm said:
No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357380&postcount=1053
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357744&postcount=1055
Both of those are from today. Here is on from the other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24195252&postcount=13
There was many more but they were deleted. Again this isnt just about airflip. Its general tired of devs taking out their frustration on people and we are suppose to allow it. I didnt see one person tell bryan,raver, or fb they werent acting like adults until I posted how immature they were acting. There was many of you posting how airfilp was acting like a kid.
Also good to see you scrapping to find something to trash me about...its original too.

actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
u all wanna flame eatch other go ahead i dont care dont do it in my threads got it ok then.

RaverX3X said:
actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
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...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.

eollie said:
...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.
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your not even worth the forum space

ya and considering i already gave them 2 versions of ics aosp and touchwiz de bloated lol i think there pretty ok with the way i act

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Awesome, willl have to do this once my phone arrives. However, do you actually mean Reduce browser loading times??

Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...

Sorry i just cant sit in front of a pc/Linux all day i have a job to go to. Saturdays are my only day for android. If i do it then. Not worth my time i can just do stuff for me and the old lady, not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments. Ill keep my work personL.....in other news samsungs half ics is working well.

nickmcminn60 said:
not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments
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What? I think you're taking... whatever it is that it appears that I'm doing, way too personally. Chill out.

Hey, the good news about this thread is that k0nane suggested adfree android, which literally took 15 seconds to get up and running, and is a nifty little tweak!

k0nane said:
Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
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Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.

talindsay said:
Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.
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Adaway is actually a little easier to use, I recommend that one
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k0nane said:
Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir

toryheal said:
Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it that just that your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.

allprogrammed said:
Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.
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Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.

toryheal said:
Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.
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But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!

allprogrammed said:
But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!
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So has anyone here in general tried out the Noble rom?

toryheal said:
Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...

shabbypenguin said:
badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
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And that is 100% respected. I am not only talking Bout this post, rather all of his post that have followed one of nicks. I am glad you guys helped. But that doesn't give the right to treat others in a condescending manner. Nick has done amazing work on the vibrant and now has this phone and wad helping this man. Once the man got what he needed ( because like you stated, he nor you have the device) he was out. Then started treating him like this. Shabby, problem wasn't with you. I just had to step in and defend nick because he is a bad ass dev.
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I personally think a lot of the problem is the average user's interpretation of T-mobile sales reps.
I mean, I knew the S2 had a very large rom community especially because it's a very popular phone. I was led to believe by T-mobile that the phone is pretty much just an S2, but with a smaller size screen.
If you compare the phone's features and specifications, you'd be a fool to not agree.
But as it turns out, as it pertains to roms, nothing could be further from the truth.
Shame on us, the average user, for not realizing the golden rules with salespeople:
1: They'll tell you what you want to hear.
2: Most of the time they don't know what they are talking about anyway.
3: Often times when you need to buy a phone, you've not exactly been planning on it, so you have to do it hastily. This was certainly true for me.
4: Custom roms are of course never able to be supported or recognized by the carriers, they pretty much pretend they don't exist, and for good reason. Most people aren't really careful enough to be doing it, even for the "simple" methods.
5: Rom maker's ability to communicate instructions is not always clear, and yes, this can have a detrimental impact to a person, especially if they are not experienced with the process. Seriously, half of the roms I've looked at for Android phones have glaring instruction errors, and even if it gets pointed out by another person, rather than update their instructions they'll just reply, "Yeah, sorry about that" The problem is, that clarification is often times on the 40th page of the thread. Sigh.
6: And this is my number one reason........
A lot more people should be getting more and more fed up with carriers who impose limitations on phones. Seriously, if it wasn't for all this carrier and manufacturer ego-wagging, the user experience would be better for both the tweaker crowd, and the stock crowd.

shabbypenguin said:
badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...
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I appreciate the help with root and CWM but not the comments that follow all of mine. I have Saturdays to work with this device, so I am limited with time. I got to the point where I felt like baking for my wife and I ...= less drama. Ill be more than happy to post a "bootable , Functional Rom. But it will be redirected here: http://www.android-engineering.com/index.php
Sorry I can't sit here 24/7 I work 6 day's a week and spend the extra time with my 3 kids. I got to a point where I was neglecting my fam and was staying on the PC trying to keep up with 5 Rom's. Something had to give. What am I not updating? Is there a need? This will be put into my rom instead of an extra app. If something needs updating when I update a rom it will be done with each release. If it is unappreciated just delete the thread.

alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all

shabbypenguin said:
alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all
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This. My threads will remain open as well.
I can't control how anyone interprets what I write - and that's all I'm going to say on the matter. Blaze owners, enjoy your devices, and best of luck, as Shabby said.