The Droid Charge has been rebranded for US Cellular, and will be launching the network's LTE service in April as the Galaxy S Aviator.
Be sure to welcome all the USC guys when they start showing up in this forum!
Proof:
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/01/us-...0-1-galaxy-s-aviator-as-first-4g-lte-devices/
Hm,not bad.
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Run as quick as the wind my friend...
When I posted this up somewhere else my thoughts were like this:
ICS for the CHARGE!!!
They aren't going to abandon this phone now that it is brand new for someone. The shelf life gets a bit longer now....
True man.I never thought of it like that
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piizzadude said:
When I posted this up somewhere else my thoughts were like this:
ICS for the CHARGE!!!
They aren't going to abandon this phone now that it is brand new for someone. The shelf life gets a bit longer now....
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Still, what are the chances of a US Cellular ROM working on the Charge? We would still not have the RIL source, and the ICS build works fine otherwise.
Also, US cellular is known for using dated phones (for a much lower price, mind you). Their previous flagship was based off of the OG Atrix and Photon for AT&T and Sprint.
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Still, what are the chances of a US Cellular ROM working on the Charge? We would still not have the RIL source, and the ICS build works fine otherwise.
Also, US cellular is known for using dated phones (for a much lower price, mind you). Their previous flagship was based off of the OG Atrix and Photon for AT&T and Sprint.
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I would say very good. US cellular is CDMA like VZW is. From all accounts the phones are going to be the same.
The RIL source won't matter that much if we get totally working ICS radios now will it? Well it will for things like CM, but I am not thinking that way. I am think that this makes ICS stone cold done, not jellybean mind you, but just ICS.
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I would say very good. US cellular is CDMA like VZW is. From all accounts the phones are going to be the same.
The RIL source won't matter that much if we get totally working ICS radios now will it? Well it will for things like CM, but I am not thinking that way. I am think that this makes ICS stone cold done, not jellybean mind you, but just ICS.
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The issue is that we aren't gonna get the radios. Google has flat out said that they legally can no longer release full source code on any CDMA phone.
assuming the aviator is as close to the charge....as the fascinate is to the mez/showcase then porting roms is pretty easy
just edits to apns, cdma carriers in system/etc, some build.prop edits and hacking up mms.apk and mmsprovisioning.apk (all of those just for sms/mms...rom will boot with data/calls as is)
since the aviator will get ics (under google's 18 months of updates) even if the charge doesnt, it should be pretty easy to port over
but really, i think the charge will get an ics update because i doubt samsung will spend a ton of money to make an update for a phone that might sell 1/20th as many units as the charge has (really little work on their end to make it compatible for the charge)
in fact id be surprised if the og sgs doesnt get ics now since the specs (screen and lte aside) are virtually identical from charge (which is essentially an lte og sgs)
now this coming from you makes me real happy......
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assuming the aviator is as close to the charge....as the fascinate is to the mez/showcase then porting roms is pretty easy
just edits to apns, cdma carriers in system/etc, some build.prop edits and hacking up mms.apk and mmsprovisioning.apk (all of those just for sms/mms...rom will boot with data/calls as is)
since the aviator will get ics (under google's 18 months of updates) even if the charge doesnt, it should be pretty easy to port over
but really, i think the charge will get an ics update because i doubt samsung will spend a ton of money to make an update for a phone that might sell 1/20th as many units as the charge has (really little work on their end to make it compatible for the charge)
in fact id be surprised if the og sgs doesnt get ics now since the specs (screen and lte aside) are virtually identical from charge (which is essentially an lte og sgs)
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Wasn't it reported that Samsung isn't going to update the og sgs due to memory limitations(read: since we can't/won't give you a stock ics update, we won't give you one at all).
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Wasn't it reported that Samsung isn't going to update the og sgs due to memory limitations(read: since we can't/won't give you a stock ics update, we won't give you one at all).
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tec...ich-for-original-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab.html
the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't be upgraded because the two devices lack the necessary hardware, namely not having enough RAM and ROM, to power Ice Cream Sandwich after Samsung puts its TouchWiz user interface changes over the top of the software.
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DirgeExtinction said:
Wasn't it reported that Samsung isn't going to update the og sgs due to memory limitations(read: since we can't/won't give you a stock ics update, we won't give you one at all).
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there have been a bunch of reports like that yes....but the charge has the same amount of memory as the og sgs so its w/e
carriers/oems say a lot of things often contradictory
nitsuj17 said:
assuming the aviator is as close to the charge....as the fascinate is to the mez/showcase then porting roms is pretty easy
just edits to apns, cdma carriers in system/etc, some build.prop edits and hacking up mms.apk and mmsprovisioning.apk (all of those just for sms/mms...rom will boot with data/calls as is)
since the aviator will get ics (under google's 18 months of updates) even if the charge doesnt, it should be pretty easy to port over
but really, i think the charge will get an ics update because i doubt samsung will spend a ton of money to make an update for a phone that might sell 1/20th as many units as the charge has (really little work on their end to make it compatible for the charge)
in fact id be surprised if the og sgs doesnt get ics now since the specs (screen and lte aside) are virtually identical from charge (which is essentially an lte og sgs)
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This was kinda my point and thanks for saying better than I. I always thought the.Charge would get ics, this is conformation for me.
Thanks for all your work to....
Charged up post!
Maybe we'll get more developers
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ronot said:
Maybe we'll get more developers
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US Cellular phones don't even have forums on here or Rootz (at least the electrify which is a Photon).
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US Cellular phones don't even have forums on here or Rootz (at least the electrify which is a Photon).
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Well there are forums for the wildfire s, CDMA hero and if you look around there are always other sites.
US Cellular is a 2nd class carrier in the US, no doubt, but that doesnt discount anything
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US Cellular phones don't even have forums on here or Rootz (at least the electrify which is a Photon).
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i doubt you ll get more developers...the only really active samsung uscc devs were on the mesmerize (phidelt82 being best in class and he left and is on vzw now) and most of their work was just porting fascinate stuff to the mez/showcase before directly porting the roms was figured out (kinda sad it took so long to be figured out )
mtmerrick said:
The Droid Charge has been rebranded for US Cellular, and will be launching the network's LTE service in April as the Galaxy S Aviator.
Be sure to welcome all the USC guys when they start showing up in this forum!
Proof:
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/01/us-...0-1-galaxy-s-aviator-as-first-4g-lte-devices/
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We'll do.
Interesting LTE coverage, or lack thereof...
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We'll do.
Interesting LTE coverage, or lack thereof...
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Lmao that would be perfect for me. I go between Milwaukee and Madison all the time and I live in both places. Verizon is currently 3g in between and I lose service around Johnson Creek
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So uhh, i dont know if anyone has seen this.. but here you go
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-imminent-20110225/
It looks like a legit release for 2.3 for Galaxy S. If thats the case, how hard would it be to port it from that to the captivate?
and a march release
Oh and btw... dont flame me if its wrong or anything.. im just a guy posting something he found... which may help out the community -.-
supaphreek said:
So uhh, i dont know if anyone has seen this.. but here you go
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-imminent-20110225/
It looks like a legit release for 2.3 for Galaxy S. If thats the case, how hard would it be to port it from that to the captivate?
and a march release
Oh and btw... dont flame me if its wrong or anything.. im just a guy posting something he found... which may help out the community -.-
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I think this has been posted a couple of times (can't remember, but I know I've seen it around the web a couple of times). Either way, right now it's a "friend of a friend said this" type thing. Until there is some proof myself and many others will remain skeptical.
Another issue is that the Galaxy S phones are much more popular in other parts of the world. With Samsung trying to charge all the carriers upgrade fees like they did with 2.2, causing a lot of the delays, the carriers may not be interested in upgrading the phone to 2.3 even if Samsung has it ready. Especially since we're going to see the SGS 2 and multiple other newer and better phones out by then. The Captivate and other SGS phones will be low end phones by then, and the carriers probably won't want to pay Samsung for updates to an old phone.
oh man! so theres the possibility of never seeing a legit 2.3? :S i guess il have to live with CM7.
ANY custom rom will be better than the rom its based off of.
WHO CAN?
XDA CAN!!
AJerman said:
Another issue is that the Galaxy S phones are much more popular in other parts of the world. With Samsung trying to charge all the carriers upgrade fees like they did with 2.2, causing a lot of the delays, the carriers may not be interested in upgrading the phone to 2.3 even if Samsung has it ready. Especially since we're going to see the SGS 2 and multiple other newer and better phones out by then. The Captivate and other SGS phones will be low end phones by then, and the carriers probably won't want to pay Samsung for updates to an old phone.
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This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.
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This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.
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Was it? I hadn't heard that, but I didn't pay that much attention to the AT&T release of 2.2 since I've been running 2.2 for months.
Either way, even if it doesn't come to a money issue, it's still going to come down to the same issue. The SGS 2 will have replaced the SGS by the time Samsung would have Gingerbread ready, and I wouldn't doubt at all if this phone never saw another update. It was hard enough to get 2.2 out of Samsung when this phone was their flagship, let along getting them to push one more update when it's replacement is already ready.
Edit: Just read an article about that, you're right. I hadn't seen Samsung's reply to that rumor. I guess that just makes Samsung lazy and not lazy and greedy, haha.
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This "issue" was debunked a long time ago.
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It was debunked by Samsung denying it, which means it wasnt really debunked.
I wouldn't expect them to be public about such things....you can have a "price to prioritize" or something which is essentially the same thing but allows you to say you aren't charging for the upgrade.
I'm not saying I know what's going on, I'm just saying I don't trust Samsung at their word.
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I guess that just makes Samsung lazy and not lazy and greedy, haha.[/i]
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Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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fatttire said:
It was debunked by Samsung denying it, which means it wasnt really debunked.
I wouldn't expect them to be public about such things....you can have a "price to prioritize" or something which is essentially the same thing but allows you to say you aren't charging for the upgrade.
I'm not saying I know what's going on, I'm just saying I don't trust Samsung at their word.
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Pretty sure there would be some sort of outcry from carriers if Samsung was lying. There would probably be more legal ramifications if Samsung lied about not charging for updates rather than some bad publicity about charging for the updates.
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Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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Samsung did its part in holding up the update by not wanting to pay the fee the service providers were charging. Same goes with all carriers that were way behind on the 2.2 update.
I'll be skipping it. I had problems with the 2.2 update and just flashed my first ROM. So much faster and the battery lasts a ton longer
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ANY custom rom will be better than the rom its based off of.
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You're stating the obvious. Why would anyone modify a ROM to make to inferior to the original? It would be nice if there were an original 2.3 to base something on.
opcow said:
You're stating the obvious. Why would anyone modify a ROM to make to inferior to the original? It would be nice if there were an original 2.3 to base something on.
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he means custom source-built rom.
a.vandelay said:
he means custom source-built rom.
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No what he is doing is his usual routine of taking a dump on any post where someone mentions being interested in Samsung firmware releases, because he thinks what is already out via third-parties is all anyone with a brain should want. And yet the AT&T Froyo release resulted in, in my opinion, the best ROM yet from DesignGears.
opcow said:
No what he is doing is his usual routine of taking a dump on any post where someone mentions being interested in Samsung firmware releases, because he thinks what is already out via third-parties is all anyone with a brain should want. And yet the AT&T Froyo release resulted in, in my opinion, the best ROM yet from DesignGears.
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you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.
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you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.
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I was running the official Rogers 2.2. and it was better than the official 2.1 that I played around with for a few days first to compare. However, putting Firefly 2.3 (and Andromeda 1.2 before that) I can certainly confirm that the custom rom route is definitely the way to go. MUCH faster (lagfix probably has huge impact on this) far more functional (rooted) better battery consumption (custom kernels) and IMO far better support. I can tell you I fully expect that XDA and the like would provide far superior peer based support than you'd get from your provider. Of course chances are if you weren't putting custom stuff on your phone you'd be far less likely to need it, but the collective knowledge here for general support of devices is far more impressive than some tech support drone that you'd speak to if you called in to you provider.
shust82 said:
Why do you assume it was samsung that held back the update? It was more than likely ATT, being that other providers had already released the update.
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Let's be honest, this phone could have come with 2.2 on it already when it shipped. Samsung took quite a while to get 2.2 ready even for the I9000s. There are always going to be carriers delays after it's ready, but Samsung took their time as well.
AJerman said:
Let's be honest, this phone could have come with 2.2 on it already when it shipped. Samsung took quite a while to get 2.2 ready even for the I9000s. There are always going to be carriers delays after it's ready, but Samsung took their time as well.
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Froyo was announced less than 2 months before this phone shipped. The source wasn't available until less than a month before. I see no problem with shipping with 2.1 under these circumstances.
davwman said:
you obviously haven't tried any 2.2.1 i9000 roms then... Because they blow the doors off any official froyo rom from samsuck. I tried cog 4 and torch and it lagged beyond belief, no offense to dg, but its samsucks fault.
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I've used 2.2.1 ROMs and they are great. If I recall Serendipity is one and it was my favorite prior to Andromeda (which is 2.2 i9010 based and very fast). Cog 4.1 is the first of DGs ROM I've used for more than a day in months; I haven't been a huge fan. As soon as i9000 kernels became mostly trouble free I moved on. I'm not saying the others were bad and I'm not saying 4.1 is better than brand x, I just like it better than previous DG ROMs I tried.
As for your lag problems with Cog 4.1, I don't doubt you, I just don't have it, but I'm using the Paragon kernel which may account for our different experiences.
We hope to see the working Ginger bread 2.3 soon on our Cappy.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/07/gingerbread-update-for-samsung-galaxy-s-to-start-rolling-out-in/
Hopefully, but knowing samsung and AT&T.
I'll be delayed.
Hopefully the Dev's can find the "tattle" feature and remove it. The one that tells the carriers if we are rooted and possible tether. I rarely use the tether, but I'm not paying $20 extra a month to tether a MAX of 50-60MB's every few months.
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Hopefully, but knowing samsung and AT&T.
I'll be delayed.
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Sorry, I meant to say that DEVs might be able to port it for Captivate. Most of us were already running i9000 based froyo and still running.
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Nucleartx said:
Hopefully the Dev's can find the "tattle" feature and remove it. The one that tells the carriers if we are rooted and possible tether. I rarely use the tether, but I'm not paying $20 extra a month to tether a MAX of 50-60MB's every few months.
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I'm not sure it works this way. They do a simple bandwidth screening, and if you are unlimited and are using up gigs and gigs of data, then for iPhones only they check if the packets look like tether packets
They don't just screen every packet through every phone to see if it looks like a tether packet
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What makes this so funny is SamsungJohn's latest twitter post:
We are doing the best we can to deliver Froyo/2.2 for Fascinate owners.
7:41 AM Apr 3rd via web
Isn't this announcement regarding the European release? Not really sure it applies to U.S. users; we might be waiting a little longer.
sola fide said:
Isn't this announcement regarding the European release? Not really sure it applies to U.S. users; we might be waiting a little longer.
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When this releases the source code probably isn't much more than a month behind. From that we should get Captivate ports
Did we really need another thread about this?
krips2003 said:
Sorry, I meant to say that DEVs might be able to port it for Captivate. Most of us were already running i9000 based froyo and still running.
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i9000 based roms make my phone crazy.
*grabs popcorn and settles in for the daily "Where is my Gingerbread port" whining
crunch,crunch
I want my elephant... i mean G-bread for my cappy. honestly, all i care about is the sources so our amazing cooks can prepare a delicious gingerbread feast.
Looks like Verizon screws us again.
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/03/bl2012-03-06.html
Especially frustrating considering the Thunderbolt and the Incredible 2 came out BEFORE the Charge.
Feel free to email the guy who posted that bit of FU from Verizon and let him know how this sits with you.
Wow not even the Droid 3 is getting ICS, and that launched with gingerbread.
Same with LG revolution
Also,
We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year. Also, follow @VZWNews on Twitter for additional upgrade announcements.
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Just because those are the devices currently slated to receive the update doesn't mean they will be the only devices. Don't get your panties in a twist just yet.
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bengrulz said:
Looks like Verizon screws us again.
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/03/bl2012-03-06.html
Especially frustrating considering the Thunderbolt and the Incredible 2 came out BEFORE the Charge.
Feel free to email the guy who posted that bit of FU from Verizon and let him know how this sits with you.
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OMFG...I'm depress...
The first sentence AFTER the list: "We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year." So Verizon even clearly states that this isn't a final list.
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I think it will get ICS, one way or another
I didn't research all these phones to find out but...
Do they all have more ram than 512MB? That might be the limitation for the charge.
Edit: I researched the devices. They all have at least 768MB ram. That's probably why the Droid 3 isn't getting it either.
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I think it will get ICS, one way or another
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I like the sound of that!
That does suck, but I've given up hope on any OEM ICS support for this phone. Just going to wait patiently for the next "godly" phone to come out this year.
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I didn't research all these phones to find out but...
Do they all have more ram than 512MB? That might be the limitation for the charge.
Edit: I researched the devices. They all have at least 768MB ram. That's probably why the Droid 3 isn't getting it either.
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The issue is more likely to be not enough space on /system for all the crap VZW wants to add in. The Nexus S has 512MB of RAM and it runs ICS just fine.
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The issue is more likely to be not enough space on /system for all the crap VZW wants to add in. The Nexus S has 512MB of RAM and it runs ICS just fine.
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I agree with all you started above till the last sentence.
Correct me if I'm wrong-
I've seen the update came out for Nexus S, was retracted and now owners are still waiting for the official release. A debloated ROM will probably run just fine on Charge, which you touched on in your previous post. That being said "Officially" I don't believe the charge will see ICS. I'm sure with your help along with JT and others, we will have it.
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The ICS ROMS are running smoothly for the most part on the Fascinate (I have been running ICS on my Fascinate for a couple months now, but picked up a Charge for pennies on eBay), can't be too long before we see something similar for the Charge, right?
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The ICS ROMS are running smoothly for the most part on the Fascinate (I have been running ICS on my Fascinate for a couple months now, but picked up a Charge for pennies on eBay), can't be too long before we see something similar for the Charge, right?
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Hopefully not. Just waiting on the ril.
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The RIL, and bluetooth doesnt work right, and Camera, (not complaining, just being realistic that there are more hurdles until its a viable daily driver). I dont know, I have ICS on my tablet and Eclipse Rom on Charge 'feels' just as good in regular activities. Id like ICS but i cant say that itd be a game changer.
All will work in time. Have confidence.
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The RIL, and bluetooth doesnt work right, and Camera, (not complaining, just being realistic that there are more hurdles until its a viable daily driver). I dont know, I have ICS on my tablet and Eclipse Rom on Charge 'feels' just as good in regular activities. Id like ICS but i cant say that itd be a game changer.
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I have to admit, Eclipse and PBJ Kernal on the Charge is mighty nice. ICS on my Fascinate is mighty nice as well. Can't say which I like better. So I guess that means I agree, ICS is not really a game changer for me either. I just like the idea of being on the latest version of the OS so no one can say they have something newer than I do!
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I just like the idea of being on the latest version of the OS so no one can say they have something newer than I do!
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+1
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I just flashed jt's latest CM9 build and sheesh it looks beautiful. I hope he finishes soon, I am so jealous of my friend running ICS on his original DInc.
In regards to Verizon's upgrade list here; even though it isn't complete, I think it is ridiculous that carriers aren't more worried about getting their phones upgraded. I recognize that the manufacturers do the development, but you'd think that the carriers would try to light a fire under their ass.
Furthermore, I am rather upset that Verizon hasn't said anything about getting an HTC One phone.
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The first sentence AFTER the list: "We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year." So Verizon even clearly states that this isn't a final list.
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Man I would love to be that optimistic. Unfortunately, I would bet cash money that even if they were to eventually upgrade the Charge to ICS, it wouldn't be until 4Q 2012 or later. In fact, I would be downright shocked if any of the phones they listed get ICS before 3Q.
By then, Jelly Bean will be just around the corner and ICS won't be enough anyway
Hope the stratosphere gets ics to =/
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Noticed today that the Droid Charge is now FREE with 2 year contract. Think we're about to be EOLed?
Phone has almost been out a year, plus it won't be exclusive when US Cellular starts selling the Charge in April as the Samaung Aviator.
Erm...in the email sent to me by Verizon,they said the Droid Charge is free until March 31,2012. It's a promotion they have going on.
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Erm...in the email sent to me by Verizon,they said the Droid Charge is free until March 31,2012. It's a promotion they have going on.
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Right, but why? My guess is to clear out inventory. They are no longer selling the Thunderbolt and the Revolution is free as well. With the launch of the New Droids (Fighter, Blade, Incredible 4G, etc.) coming soon, I think they're cleaning house. Once inventory is gone, I think we're EOL.
The silver lining? The Aviator doesn't even launch until next month. It will be CDMA/LTE, so it could have the same RIL. I think Samsung will have to update it to ICS, so this means there's hope that our devs can port even if Verizon refuses to release an ICS official OTA.
It's been EOL in my mind ever since they announced that we're not getting ICS.
I was in a Verizon store yesterday. I picked up 2 charges and, without me even asking, the rep openly admitted that ICS is coming to the charge.
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It's been EOL in my mind ever since they announced that we're not getting ICS.
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They never actually announced anything, one way or the other.
Don't listen to reps. Consider them to be like car salesman. They'll say what they have to in order to make the sale.
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Don't listen to reps. Consider them to be like car salesman. They'll say what they have to in order to make the sale.
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Yeah we had "reps" saying when we would be getting the GB update... and they were all wrong.
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Don't listen to reps. Consider them to be like car salesman. They'll say what they have to in order to make the sale.
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this statement is
facts
pure facts
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Gb update I'd believe, but ICS I don't see that happening anytime soon. If it even happens. Rumors are rumors, not facts. Until a official statement from Verizon or Samsung is released, it will still be a rumor.
Edit: On a side note that doesn't mean we wont get it seeing as JT is progressing with ICS on charge. (Beta 2 is released) It just wont come from Verizon imo.
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Don't listen to reps. Consider them to be like car salesman. They'll say what they have to in order to make the sale.
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I do not know if this was referencing my post or not, but this was after the sale and there was no previous mention of anything relating to ICS.
I do not know if what he said was fact or not, nor do I really care, but I found it odd that it was mentioned out of the blue, like it was some new info that seemed important.
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I was in a Verizon store yesterday. I picked up 2 charges and, without me even asking, the rep openly admitted that ICS is coming to the charge.
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Reps often times no less than the average user of a phone enthusiast forum, and those that do know more tend to just sit and look at news sites. They are not high enough up the food chain to get any info about updates until shortly before release at the earliest. That would go for anyone working in any store, managers included. They don't provide the information until the last minute to avoid any critical issues stopping an update.
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On a side note that doesn't mean we wont get it seeing as JT is progressing with ICS on charge. (Beta 2 is released) It just wont come from Verizon imo.
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Yeah, but the issue is that Samsung's RIL does not fall under GPL and does not need to be open sourced. So, they're not obligated to release source code and, to this day, they have refused to do so.
JT may eventually get a working RIL for AOSP/CM9 use, and that would be great... But, having said that, it still won't be an RIL optimized for the Charge to the same extent that a RIL built with absolute knowledge of Samsung source code would be (please, correct me if I'm wrong here).
I think it would be absolutely absurd for the Aviator to be US Cellular's "flagship" device (which it will be) if Samsung isn't planning to build an official version of ICS (complete with TouchWiz and their GB-esque ICS interface). If the RIL is built for CDMA/LTE, then it's possible that devs may be able to port the Aviator's stock ROM over to the Charge on Verizon and modify that base into an InfinityROM, Eclipse, or TweakAviator ROM. Not 100% sure this will work with Samsung, but I've seen it before with HTC devices--with the Eris, a lot of the ROMs were ported CDMA Hero ROMs. This would provide kernels, ROM bases, and modems all specifically designed to work in unison. In my opinion, this will result in extremely stable ICS ROMs (as compared to a reverse-engineered RIL for AOSP/CM9). No?
reps dont know anything about anything. we're never getting ICS unless IMnuts, Nitro, JT or one of the other developers give us a hack. Ill prob switch over the GS3 well before that happens (not cuz of the developers, cuz of samsung and verizon, the developers all kick ass!)
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Yeah, but the issue is that Samsung's RIL does not fall under GPL and does not need to be open sourced. So, they're not obligated to release source code and, to this day, they have refused to do so.
JT may eventually get a working RIL for AOSP/CM9 use, and that would be great... But, having said that, it still won't be an RIL optimized for the Charge to the same extent that a RIL built with absolute knowledge of Samsung source code would be (please, correct me if I'm wrong here).
I think it would be absolutely absurd for the Aviator to be US Cellular's "flagship" device (which it will be) if Samsung isn't planning to build an official version of ICS (complete with TouchWiz and their GB-esque ICS interface). If the RIL is built for CDMA/LTE, then it's possible that devs may be able to port the Aviator's stock ROM over to the Charge on Verizon and modify that base into an InfinityROM, Eclipse, or TweakAviator ROM. Not 100% sure this will work with Samsung, but I've seen it before with HTC devices--with the Eris, a lot of the ROMs were ported CDMA Hero ROMs. This would provide kernels, ROM bases, and modems all specifically designed to work in unison. In my opinion, this will result in extremely stable ICS ROMs (as compared to a reverse-engineered RIL for AOSP/CM9). No?
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If ICS is released with the aviator, it may be possible seeing as their the same device. But that is a big if. Samsung should just release the RIL source. We already know they suck at coding. Why hide it?
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cnoevl21 said:
Ill prob switch over the GS3 well before that happens (not cuz of the developers, cuz of samsung and verizon, the developers all kick ass!)
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Why go Samsung? By the time SG3 comes out, Samsung's not gonna update it to Jellybean and your gonna say "ill get the SG4"...Better off getting an HTC phone with a Samsung Screen..HTC good about releasing source and has good development. Although Samsung has thinner devices.
jager420 said:
Why go Samsung? By the time SG3 comes out, Samsung's not gonna update it to Jellybean and your gonna say "ill get the SG4"...Better off getting an HTC phone with a Samsung Screen..HTC good about releasing source and has good development. Although Samsung has thinner devices.
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...or just Moto for their superior internals
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...or just Moto for their superior internals
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...and locked bootloaders? No thanks.
luis86dr said:
If ICS is released with the aviator, it may be possible seeing as their the same device. But that is a big if. Samsung should just release the RIL source. We already know they suck at coding. Why hide it?
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One can argue, if their code is suck, why you want it then? or if you want to ask some one for something and you called them suck, do you deserve to have it?
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...and locked bootloaders? No thanks.
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Honestly, I've had three moto phones and while not having full access to flashing kernels and not having a real recovery sucks, their hardware is insane.
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It's frustrating hearing all the fuss over the Mecha yet HTC doesn't even want to support their device. Sad really, especially if you can't afford another device
I honestly believe the reason the Mecha didn't get the update was due to Verizon, not HTC. I think HTC took the time to make the update, then it went to Verizon's metaphorical desk and sat there. If Verizon can convince existing members to upgrade, they will do it. The more your software gets updated, the less money they make. Stupid, greedy, marketing ploy in my opinion.
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I'm not sure what the fuss is about? I've run several ICS ROMs and there's really nothing to get excited about.
One important note, ICS will come (if and when it does come) with Sense 3.6 which is almost exactly the same as Sense 3.5 in the Eternity ROM and the BAMF ROM. Sense 4.x is a big change but ICS won't include it for the T'bolt(due maybe to insufficient memory?) In short, you won't see much difference.
My phone works just fine, it does everything I ask it to do and does it well.
FWIW, I'm running a Gingerbread ROM, Virus' excellent Eternity 8-4 and I'm staying with it, even after ICS is released, unless it's updated to some of the ICS features AND Sense 4.x!
I think the timing of people "abandoning ship" has as much to do with contracts coming up than anything else. That said, the lack of ongoing support for what HTC and Verizon positioned as the performance leader (at least at the time, and certainly as its first LTE phone) is what many are voicing frustration about. Combine that with technology consumers' typical desire to have what is "latest and greatest" and it isn't surprising that folks are looking at alternatives like DNA, S3, Note, N4, etc.
Me... I am happy enough with a stable phone that browses, gets and sends emails, and gets through a full day and evening on a charge. Sure, I'd like better battery life. More so, a better screen (bigger, brighter, sharper). Like a thinner form factor that is lighter. Would really like it to be able to display to a TV easily too. But a famous bike designer named Keith Bontrager had a famous saying when people came to him with requests for the "perfect" bike... "Strong. Light. Cheap. Pick Two." I suspect we will always being looking for the perfect phone and be forced to make our choice based on what is most important (and compromise on what we can do without).
btw, I have tried at least one of the ICS ROMs. And while it was a very good ROM through great work by the designer, the fact that they are all based on the same leak seems to limit what can be done or expected with them, and so those phones with ICS (or better yet, Jelly Bean) will always seem better. I can't afford a new phone now anyway... so hopefully when I can the newer phones will be closer to my ideal of perfect is.
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I'm not sure what the fuss is about? I've run several ICS ROMs and there's really nothing to get excited about.
One important note, ICS will come (if and when it does come) with Sense 3.6 which is almost exactly the same as Sense 3.5 in the Eternity ROM and the BAMF ROM. Sense 4.x is a big change but ICS won't include it for the T'bolt(due maybe to insufficient memory?) In short, you won't see much difference.
My phone works just fine, it does everything I ask it to do and does it well.
FWIW, I'm running a Gingerbread ROM, Virus' excellent Eternity 8-4 and I'm staying with it, even after ICS is released, unless it's updated to some of the ICS features AND Sense 4.x!
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The big deal for me is compatibility. More and more apps these days are requiring 4.0 and up. But really, I only ran the ICS Sense builds once and hated them - horrible battery drain, lag, etc. I've been running AOSP builds since they had working data as a DD, and even with the bugs, these ROMs perform better, IMHO than the AOSP GB ROMs did.
I'm selling my gs3 and getting the tbolt again. The gs3 is nice but too much for me. I could use the money anyway. I personally love the thunderbolt.
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I will be voting with my dollars, and loudly telling Verizon that their behavior regarding the Thunderbolt has been unacceptable.
I will be leaving them ASAP, and encouraging as many people as possible to defect, depriving VZW of cash flow. It's a tiny amount, but hopefully disgruntled former customers will make their voices heard.
I was skeptical about returning to VZW for the Thunderbolt. Their betrayal has me convinced that I was right to mistrust Verizon.
Never again. Bastards.
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BoulderGeek said:
I will be voting with my dollars, and loudly telling Verizon that their behavior regarding the Thunderbolt has been unacceptable.
I will be leaving them ASAP, and encouraging as many people as possible to defect, depriving VZW of cash flow. It's a tiny amount, but hopefully disgruntled former customers will make their voices heard.
I was skeptical about returning to VZW for the Thunderbolt. Their betrayal has me convinced that I was right to mistrust Verizon.
Never again. Bastards.
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Want to take advantage of Verizon's excellent network (no comparison in my area) for pennies on the dollar of what they charge? Page plus is a reseller that piggybacks on Verizons network. You can tell VZW to go f__k themselves permanently (with my light usage I went from $90 a month on verizon to $12 a month on page plus) and only had to send in my TBolt for some non rom flash thing that they had back to me in less than a week. I cancelled my VZW plan and paid the $250 penalty and have already recouped my costs. I was even able to keep the same number I had with Verizon. The only disadvantages are no LTE (lol on Thunderbolt no 30 min handwarmer) and their maximum data plan is 2 gig data a month. Truly not a shill and would keep this to myself so deal doesn't change in future but the whole VZW TBolt thing has p_ssed me off.
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Yeah this has left a bad taste in my mouth for non nexus phones, but unfortunately verizon is the only real option for my area.
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Yeah this has left a bad taste in my mouth for non nexus phones, but unfortunately verizon is the only real option for my area.
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Page plus cellular uses VZW network for a lot lower bills so they are an option where ever VZW is as long as you don't need LTE.
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dumas777 said:
Page plus cellular uses VZW network for a lot lower bills so they are an option where ever VZW is as long as you don't need LTE.
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I like twisted's ICS Rom, works pretty good and constantly getting better. I will be upgrading next year though.
mike dd said:
I like twisted's ICS Rom, works pretty good and constantly getting better. I will be upgrading next year though.
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I agree that twisted's ICS rom works very well. I have been using it now since it came out. It is very responsive and works 100%. Also there is constant support for it updates are always coming out.
I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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Turd Furguson said:
I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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If you're interested in someone doing any testing, I would be happy to test it.
Also, you guys made me appreciate what we've got, thank you
I also love my TB and I have compared it to other phones. This is my first Android phone but I've had experience with the DROID 2 and the SGS3. I do love the S3's bigger screen however but even after I get another phone I will be keeping this phone.
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Turd Furguson said:
I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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Twisted's (credit also to liquid) rom does rule and makes continuing to the use the TBolt viable for at least some time. The ICS leak and derivatives are not ready to be dd imho plus sense sucks. I don't want to blow $300 (screw contracts) on another phone any time soon so nothing but props to Twisted.
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Twisted's (credit also to liquid) rom does rule and makes continuing to the use the TBolt viable for at least some time. The ICS leak and derivatives are not ready to be dd imho plus sense sucks. I don't want to blow $300 (screw contracts) on another phone any time soon so nothing but props to Twisted.
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Haven't tried any of his builds yet. The way people are raving might have to give it a shot. Been stuck on t-shed 1.5, it has been to rock solid to try anything new.
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Im thinking Nexus 4 on straighttalk if i dont get ICS By the end of the year on my thunderbolt im skipping and upgrading and ill finally be able to tell verizon to kiss my ass. I actually think ill start paying yearly and pay straighttalk off fo a year and save even more money.
Not everyone is jumping ship.... Some are just boarding...
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