Want to root Kyocera Echo... Have Questions. - General Questions and Answers

Hello, I have decided to root my Kyocera Echo using z4root on Froyo 2.2.1. I still have a few questions before I go ahead and take the plunge:
If I ever have to go into the Sprint store then I want to unroot my phone first. If I press the "unroot" button within the z4root application will that return my phone to stock?
If not, do I need to find a recovery ROM?
Does anyone make a reliable recovery ROM for my phone?
How do I install and use a recovery ROM?
Please keep in mind that I am new to this kind of stuff and I am extremely scared of messing up. Please respond. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I have rooted a few of these. Basically if you want to unroot, just hit the unroot button, then do a hard reset either by going into the phone settings or by using the fastboot command via adb. Adb may seem intimidating at first but It's actually quite easy to use with some googling.

wailer247 said:
I have rooted a few of these. Basically if you want to unroot, just hit the unroot button, then do a hard reset either by going into the phone settings or by using the fastboot command via adb. Adb may seem intimidating at first but It's actually quite easy to use with some googling.
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Thanks a ton. which one do you suggest? Settings reset or fastboot/adb reset?

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stuck in reboot cycle after stupid move

Hi guys,
First of all I want to apologize with everybody here but I need help and I know that I might be drowning in a cup of water but right now I feel very frustrated because I can't find the answer to this...
ok, now I have a T-Mobile G2X, I was reading how to root, do backup, recovery, etc, and I was doing some research of how to go back to stock with all the t-mobile apps, so I went to a thread that was explaining that he had to use first clockworkmod before doing anything, so what I did was just plug my phone, activated the debug mode and click on a script file from the new version 4.x of clockworkmod, after that it messed up the phone started to force close apps, so I turned it off and back on, my surprise.... cycle reboot
now I cannot do anything with it, if I press the vol down button with the power it goes to a screen that says S/W upgrade Please wait while upgrading, I left it there hoping that it will come up soon
Can you guys help me??, I'm very frustrated
Thank you.
What had you actually done to your phone prior to clicking on the script? Had you already rooted it?
it was not rooted, i think that's why this happened, but i thought that wasnt needed since i was trying to do a backup BEFORE doing anything, ha stupid me
Did you try to do a factory reset by holding down the volume down and power button?
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^ What tq745 said.
And then follow this guide word for word if you want to root/flash roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060715
I tried the factory reset and came a different screen but what I needed to do is to hold down the buttons for more time, now at least it boots
I still want to try the rooting, so let me have this clear, rooting the device doesn't delete any apps or config right? this is until you start messing with the roms and that.
thanks for the help guys!
yes rooting does not delete apps u do that yourself lol. it gives u superuser access, the ability to remove bloatware or freeze them (tmobiles apps) you can change the fonts, super cid, the ability to have another carrier on your phone if wanted, install custom roms and kernels, tether, and backup apps with titanium backup, which i suggest if u do root, awesome app and tool . basically u cant do this with a stock unrooted device.....also our super one click root is pretty simple just one click after u have lg's drivers installed, and its just as easy to unroot if u had too (like bringing it back to tmobile, warranty exchange).... to unroot its the same program just click on it and u will see unroot too.....pretty effin awesome...
wow now I understand it more, thanks for the explanation friend.
I'm following the tutorial that phburks posted, in there is the backup process, I hope everything goes perfect (fingers crossed)
thanks again!
The "script" was probably that NVFlash app that was created. Being improperly NVFlashed is why its stuck.
You need to remove the battery, hold both volume keys down while inserting the USB cable. Then follow the steps of NVFlashing.
Once you NVFlash and have a good clockworkmod setup, then you need to reset data, clear caches, and flash a good rom.

[Q] g2x 2.3.3 rooting

1st my name is juan i am new here.
i already did the steps One-Click-G2x-recovery-flasher-09-06
and was able to Booting into ClockworkMod Recovery v5.0.2.0
i download cyanogenmod 7 and try to run it but after everything is done
i get the cyanogenmod 7 reboot loop, also i was able to restore back to
the way i had it. i am a total noob at this, so i can use ClockworkMod Recovery v5.0.2.0 does that mean i root my cell or not. i also download super user.
i tried to root my self since SuperOneClick v2.1.1 did not work for me since it always froze on step 6.i would love any help i can get to root my phone and be able to use apps such as Titanium Backup/super user or rom manger.
thanks for you time
Did you clear the Dalvik cache and do a factory reset? If not you will most likely get a reboot loop. You should format the system, user area and Dalvik cache any time you change roms, or the loop is likely. Try again but zap everything first. Good luck.
OK I did as you said it works fine now I have super user and rom manager working without it saying I need a rooted device. Now I am back to my default for the main reason that I didn't have my apps,android market,contacts and I could not connect to my T-Mobile network.I read I can use titanium backup for but I can't since it tells me I need a root my device. Anything I can do about this?
Should I installl the P999_2.3.3_Stock_OTA.zip I found on this forum would that give me root access sorry for the noon questions and thanks for helping me on this.
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If you install CM 7 it is already rooted. You an also install the pre-rooted OTA and it will be rooted. I suggest just starting over, logging into Google and reinstalling all your apps. I have had bad luck and near disasters trying to use Titanium backup to restore settings on other devices. It only takes about an hour to redo everything on Android.
i would like my phone to be rooted and not lose or have to reinstall everything i am still trying SuperOneClick v2.1.1 but i finally got pass step 6 and am now stuck on step 7 >,<
itachi_the_reaper said:
i would like my phone to be rooted and not lose or have to reinstall everything i am still trying SuperOneClick v2.1.1 but i finally got pass step 6 and am now stuck on step 7 >,<
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Super One Click doesn't work. Google closed the exploits that made it possible in new Gingerbread builds. I have been working on a way to do it without having to redo everything but so far it is not working. Hopefully soon. Will post something when and if I get it working.
thats to bad v,v i got to step 7 using this
if you are having the remounting failed problem then try doing this (credit to g0mezz http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3995974) :
1. Download SuperOneClickv2.1.1-ShortFuse, after download extract the files into a folder with the same name as the archive.
2. Connect the phone to the PC with Debugging mode (Enter the phone settings menu, to the Development and tick the USB debugging mode)
3. (In Windows 7, but for Win XP you can use "Command prompt here" or similar) Go to the ADB folder inside the SuperOneClick folder, hold down shift and right click from the ADB folder, click on "Open command window here", than write:
adb devices (after this command you should see your device id)
adb shell
echo 1 > /data/local/lge_adb.conf,
Do not close the window, leave it like that.
4. Start SuperOneClick.exe, leave the settings to the SuperOneClick as they are when it opens, click on ROOT and wait, it will say Starting ADB server..., than it will do it's job and than it will appear Waiting for device... it will say ok and that if it freezes while running gingerbreak do the following:
a. Turn USB Debugging OFF wait until it will appear in the window again Starting ADB server..., after that,
b. Turn USB Debugging ON, and after this trick it will start rooting.
Disclaimer: YMMV, i tried this on a gingerbread P500 after trying every other option and failing, and finally rooted using this method.
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but at least i know i can install a rom, just wish i did lose my data. guess i have to wait and hope thanks for the help
itachi_the_reaper said:
i would like my phone to be rooted and not lose or have to reinstall everything i am still trying SuperOneClick v2.1.1 but i finally got pass step 6 and am now stuck on step 7 >,<
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2.3.3 doesnt have a root working thru one click u need to do the nvflashrecovery process and have the prerooted rom on your phone to flash after you get the recovery on your phone. So i'd start over get the rom you want dl it to your phone then follow the nvflashrecovery process. After its done acsess it and follow the steps on flashing the rom you downloaded. If the market doesnt let you download anything do this go settings-> manage apps-> click all apps-> scroll down to market-> wipe data. This should allow you to reinstall your apps
I already can root my.phone but I still don't want to lost my contacts or data which is why I went back to default instead of staying in weapon g2x mod.
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Rooting my G2x (got CWM working already)
Hello everyone! Big time noob here, and was hoping to have some questions answered regarding rooting a G2x that came with Gingerbread (2.3.3) stock. I searched and read quite a few threads, which answered a lot, but a few questions still stuck out. Any help is very much appreciated!
My process so far was to start at this thread. That referred me to TGA_Gunnman's guide on flashing CWM (via Nvflasher) at this thread. That worked well, and I'm able to boot into CWM. So far so good, but here's where the questions come in.
In TGA_Gunnman's guide, there's a link saying to view the Getting Started Guide located at this thread. That Getting Started Guide links back to the "CWM via Nvflasher" guide, so I performed those steps as mentioned earlier (step 2.1 in the Getting Started Guide). Then it says to install ROM Manager (step 2.2) and so on to create backups. Hmm...
From the first thread I linked, and some other threads, it looks like once I have CWM bootable using the Power/Volume Down button method, I just need to clear data/caches and then flash the rooted ROM of my choice. Please chime in if this is incorrect (though from the replies in the thread, my understanding seems correct).
(Q1) Using this method, is there any way to perform an initial backup (Titanium, etc)? It doesn't seem like it, and I'd hate to lose all my apps and have to reinstall/configure, but it's not that big of a deal. (I did a Nandroid backup via CWM already, as detailed in step 4 of the Getting Started Guide.) I see some folks in this thread recommended just re-installing the apps, which is not out of the question. Just thought that if a backup/restore was possible, it might be worth a try.
(Q2) I have to ask: what ROM(s) do you recommend?
Thanks in advance for any help and information you can provide!
Oh I can help I just had the same problem OK you can do the following 1st make sure u have a SD card one big enough I have a 8gb next you can back up apps, contacts and settings using antivirus pro u can just Google the apk n install it.I didn't want to change much in my phone so I just download Gingerbread 2.3.3 rom
Then restore my apps then my contacts and such.
Stuff u need
Antivirus pro-for backup
Rom of ur choice
Androzip- to install apk if u dl antivirus pro apk
This is the rom I used
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179748
You may use whatever rom u want
Now 1st u use antivirus pro to back up apps and contacts then you can install your rom when done you can use androzip to explore your SD card and find the antivirus pro apk install then restore you apps and contacts sadly the apps lose all data so that means new game n such I hope this long explanation helped I just learned this today ..
Other roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207125
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108201
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itachi_the_reaper said:
I already can root my.phone but I still don't want to lost my contacts or data which is why I went back to default instead of staying in weapon g2x mod.
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I've just worked out how to do this and rooted my stock Gingerbread ROM. Here is how I did it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17398464#post17398464
jboxer said:
I've just worked out how to do this and rooted my stock Gingerbread ROM. Here is how I did it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17398464#post17398464
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I tried this process, and it worked perfectly! I got BusyBox installed, and Titanium Backup running. If nothing else, this will let me backup my system and then I can flash a ROM and restore those settings.
You rule, jboxer!
lol i already flash my rom and backup my stuff but i already thank you for your post ^-^
help
sorry for noobish question but i have a g2x 2.3.3 i want to root it.I have never done nothing to the rom or anything so im guessing its stock rom. I been reading and searching and i fount this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255214 but im not sure if thats where i should start anny suggestions?
Yes that thread will do it. I outlined it very clearly. Step 1 install recovery and so on. Just read carefully and follow the steps.

Please help me with ADB

I don't know why ADB is not working while normally booted! It works when in recovery, please help me. I am using Senseless version 3.7.1
cwest31 said:
I don't know why ADB is not working while normally booted! It works when in recovery, please help me. I am using Senseless version 3.7.1
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Read this entire guide.
blackknightavalon said:
Read this entire guide.
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koooooooooooool
reinstalled sdk following instructions carefully! its not an sdk problem
cwest31 said:
reinstalled sdk following instructions carefully! its not an sdk problem
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ADB is part of the SDK.
Sent from a message in a bottle.
cwest31 said:
I don't know why ADB is not working while normally booted! It works when in recovery, please help me. I am using Senseless version 3.7.1
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There is literally no information in this posting that someone can use to help you.
Blackknightavalon's direction to the SDK webpage is about as helpful of a reply as you can expect to solicit with the information you have provided.
This is like going to a car forum, and saying " I have a blue camaro. It won't start. I tried turning the key. Help please"
What commands are you trying to run through adb?
What errors are you getting, if any?
What do you see when you type "adb devices"
What operating system are you running on the computer you are trying to connect from?
Have you turned on "usb debugging" in the options menu on the phone?
There are a whole lot of things that can be your problem, and we'd love to help, but we can't help you if you don't tell us what's wrong.
Doubtless someone else will get back to you before I get a chance to, since my time is very limited these days online, but posting some more information about your problem will elicit a response that may actually help you.
Best of luck!
Blue6IX said:
There is literally no information in this posting that someone can use to help you.
Blackknightavalon's direction to the SDK webpage is about as helpful of a reply as you can expect to solicit with the information you have provided.
This is like going to a car forum, and saying " I have a blue camaro. It won't start. I tried turning the key. Help please"
What commands are you trying to run through adb?
What errors are you getting, if any?
What do you see when you type "adb devices"
What operating system are you running on the computer you are trying to connect from?
Have you turned on "usb debugging" in the options menu on the phone?
There are a whole lot of things that can be your problem, and we'd love to help, but we can't help you if you don't tell us what's wrong.
Doubtless someone else will get back to you before I get a chance to, since my time is very limited these days online, but posting some more information about your problem will elicit a response that may actually help you.
Best of luck!
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Make sure you have current adb drivers for your phone. It will show android composite in device manager. Fastboot will show fastboot device. Seeing a yellow question mark is bad.
Make sure your pathing is set up right.
Typing "adb devices" and if you see your device. If so you're ready to roll.
I usually get fastboot errors like this when I don't have drivers installed right.
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Droidmoder said:
Make sure you have current adb drivers for your phone. It will show android composite in device manager. Fastboot will show fastboot device. Seeing a yellow question mark is bad.
Make sure your pathing is set up right.
Typing "adb devices" and if you see your device. If so you're ready to roll.
I usually get fastboot errors like this when I don't have drivers installed right.
Adb is part of the adk. It's to help debug and install things via a directlink to the computer. Its found in platform tools and is considered a dev tool.
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I get Error Message with ADB
Hey guys, so I perm rooted with S-OFF my mytouch 4g slide, with theunlockr.com youtube video and guide using revolutionary. then I attempted to install a ROM with ROM MANAGER, and it got stuck on the splash/loading screen. After some searching I found out that this meant that I could have potentially BRICKED the phone, so I followed theunlockr.com's guide to UNROOTING the phone, and it worked, I flashed the original stock tmobile rom, and it loaded fine, I tried to start the whole process again, but now I get stuck in the very beginning, trying to get TEMP root, I start the fr3vo exploit like the guide stated, but then i keep getting error messages on the command line prompt saying that there is an error with ADB, then when I power the phone with volume down and power, the revolutionary is no longer on the top of the screen, but it still says SHIP S-OFF. Does that have to do anything with my problem? is there a way to GET S back to ON, so I can start the process over? or am I better off having S off??? I installed ROM MANAGER and tried to flash a recover image thinking that having S off would allow me to do this, but I get error messages saying there are problems with the permissions. the web site for the guide I used to root is this one incase anyone wants more details into what I did, any help would be greatly appreciated. theunlockr.com/2011/09/09/how-to-permanently-root-and-gain-s-off-on-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-slide-revolutionary-method
Use perm root method. Myself I flashed oneclick in recovery, but you can follow the guide the perm root part.
Btw rom manager supports flashing of the new cwm only. I checked the roms in rom manager they aren't supported. You have to go to the cm7 thread here and download and flash cm7 from recovery.
Just redo root process and install cwm from rom manager. Then go to the dev section and flash your favorite rom in recovery. My sig has directions on how to do everything.
Also if you're having permissions error use root explorer on the rom manager apk make sure it has execute checked. Also I think rom manager has a fix permissions button. Its never worked for me.
S off will allow flashing of cwm. However you need to be rooted to flash cwm threw rom manager. My sig has a guide on installing cwm without being rooted.
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Thanks for the QUICK reply, but I looked at the guide, and it stated I have to have recovery installed, BEFORE I do the perm root method, but I dont have recovery, when I do HBOOT, and I try to boot into recovery, I get a red exclamation mark on the screen and I have to end up taking out the battery. Thats why I was wondering if having S OFF from the beginning now is what is messing me up when I am trying to ROOT again, I mean, I am doing the same steps.... just now I get errors when I try to do the TEMP root step... so I cant continue... and I cant get ROM MANAGER to flash a recovery image... is there a guide or steps someplace that can guide me to root the MT4G slide already having S off?
I found the problem myself, I had to enable USB Debugging.
I had USB debugging enabled.... hmmmm you made me doubt myself... I guess I will try it again, since I flashed stock rom again all settings were reverted... so I cannot VERIFY I had USB debugging on, but I was sure I did... I will try again and post... I am reflashing the stock rom like 5 times a days trying to root again =(
wait... cwest31, you had which same problem? because I was writing about 2 problems: about booting into recovery with S off, but no recovery image (hence I got red exclamation mark), and trying to get ROM MANAGER to flash a recovery image on my phone since I have S off already, but I get error messages (problem with permissions)
RT2023 said:
I had USB debugging enabled.... hmmmm you made me doubt myself... I guess I will try it again, since I flashed stock rom again all settings were reverted... so I cannot VERIFY I had USB debugging on, but I was sure I did... I will try again and post... I am reflashing the stock rom like 5 times a days trying to root again =(
wait... cwest31, you had which same problem? because I was writing about 2 problems: about booting into recovery with S off, but no recovery image (hence I got red exclamation mark), and trying to get ROM MANAGER to flash a recovery image on my phone since I have S off already, but I get error messages (problem with permissions)
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Umm...did you read the full instructions very carefully? When you get to the part where you flash the Superuser .zip file, you need to try it several times before it'll hold.
blackknightavalon said:
Umm...did you read the full instructions very carefully? When you get to the part where you flash the Superuser .zip file, you need to try it several times before it'll hold.
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What he said.
Also ROM MANAGER WILL NOT WORK UNLESS ROOTED. Get rooted then try flashing the image. The compendium also has step by step guides using terminal emulator once rooted
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Also I want you op and the other one to be clear on what s off is and root.
Getting S OFF allows unsigned zips to be flashed. This means you can now flash roms and root. Without s off you cannot root, rom, kernels. S OFF is not root.
Root is gaining admin rights over your phone. this allows programs that require access to the root files to have access to them. ROM Manager, titanium backup, drocap, setcpu will be granted access to the root files and programs which unrooted phones would not be granted access .
This can be a reason why you two are having trouble using rom manager unrooted. Rom manager cannot access the files it needs
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Please go follow this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178606. It tells you how to Permanently root a device that is already s-off.
AWESOME!!! turns out i just had to run revolutionary TWICE, and the second time it figured out it was already rooted and then asked if I wanted to install recovery, I dont know how to do it manually so I clicked yes, and THEN i was able to go into recovery and flash the PERM root ZIP, rebooted and i had SUPERUSER in my app drawer!!!! awesome, now to try to get the version of google talk installed that actually allows for video chat!!! I HATE QIK!!!!!!
DROIDMODER, CWEST31: Thanks so much for the lenghty explanation and help. I have loved android for the ability to customize, and I had the G1, MOTOCLIQ, G2, and now MT4GS, I rooted my G2, but didnt do anything to it because i was scared to F it up, but with the MT4GS I got the balls to do it just because I was SOOOO UPSET that the phone comes with a version of GTALK that does NOT ALLOW FOR VIDEO CHAT!!?!?! WTF!!! whats the front camera for then?! and QIK sucks, not all my friends are on tmobile... i was even more upset when the HTC AMAZE has a version of GTALK that does allow for video chat straight out of the box!!! this is my main push to wanting to root... thanks for letting me vent! lol and thanks for all your great info
RT2023 said:
AWESOME!!! turns out i just had to run revolutionary TWICE, and the second time it figured out it was already rooted and then asked if I wanted to install recovery, I dont know how to do it manually so I clicked yes, and THEN i was able to go into recovery and flash the PERM root ZIP, rebooted and i had SUPERUSER in my app drawer!!!! awesome, now to try to get the version of google talk installed that actually allows for video chat!!! I HATE QIK!!!!!!
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Your welcome! now procead to install undead's senseless ROM (Best Rom available) and also get rom manager and flash the official CWM recovery! Also proceed to "thank."
mmmm... I tried to install a ROM before and thats what F-ed everything up =/ I am hesitant, I really want a Gtalk version that allows for video chat, does the senseless rom have video gchat capabilities??

[Q] Rooted Phone cant use Rom Manager or Super User

Okay this is my first post because I really need help from you. I watched and learned from youtube videos how to root my phone and followed all the steps because I wanted ice cream sandwhich theme on my phone. My phone has the s-Off.
I open Rom Manager and it says you must root your phone. Superuser was not found at "/system/bin/su" or "/system/xbin/su". Use google to search on you computer to find instuctions to root your phone. I click okay and still try to press Flash ClockworkMod recovery
Then it will say an error occured while attempting to run privileged commands. Same thing happens for fix permissions. I have Super User on my computer when I did all of this and I still have it but Have no Idea how to get it on my phone. Please help and put it into retard form for me if you do respond I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
what kind of phone is it and who are u rooting it
Sensei3stacks said:
what kind of phone is it and who are u rooting it
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I have an Evo 4G and I used the Revolutionary App on my computer that all I had to do was get the beta key and plug it into the app and It basically did everything. I have done this about 6 hours over three days and Still havent gotten it right.
u need to find the correct method for ur phone model and it will successfully done. Superuser for your pc not the one you should moved to your phone.

[Q] Inspire 4g rooted, but no root access?

So the other day I rooted my Inspire 4g, and it is now Unlocked. Now when it boots up and everything else, I see no superuser, so I just download it and some other apps that require a root access. And when I try to use it, says I have no root access, so I go into superuser, slide to the left and see that no Su Binary is there or found? And I used EasyUnlockTool to root my Inspire. I've been looking around for answers to solve how to fix this, but come to no luck or I am just plain dumb. I've been having some trouble with this, help would much appreciated. I need some help as to what I need to do? :\
You have only unlocked your bootloader, you have not rooted your phone. Those are two separate things.
Well think you could direct me to a way that I will be able to root it? I've been having a stressful time trying to. I've been trying everything on how I saw it.
Installing the app doesn't provide the su binary, but flashing the zip does. You could flash a superuser zip from recovery (I know SuperSU has one somewhere on XDA), or you could flash a rooted ROM. Or, you could use the Easy Ace Root Tool.
This is all documented in the Ace Think Tank thread, in multiple stickies in the Desire HD forums, or in various other threads concerning the same question. Details can be found there.
Do you know how long it takes when you go into the bootloader and Vol- to and press the power button on recovery, as when I did, it just stayed on the load up screen, with the white background and green HTC in the middle? Just wondering if you knew. But I will do what you just told me, thank you.
Nizun said:
Do you know how long it takes when you go into the bootloader and Vol- to and press the power button on recovery, as when I did, it just stayed on the load up screen, with the white background and green HTC in the middle? Just wondering if you knew. But I will do what you just told me, thank you.
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Have you flashed a custom recovery from fastboot?
Yea, I used GooManager, hopefully I didn't do anything wrong?
Nizun said:
Yea, I used GooManager, hopefully I didn't do anything wrong?
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No idea then. You could try flashing a custom recovery.img from fastboot.
Alright, I'll be trying that then. Thank you.

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