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Can anyone give me an idea how long after i calibrate my battery (charge fully, wipe stats, charge fully while off) will I see a difference, cause it seems to have gotten worse, I didn't see an answer anywhere.
well.. i have done this recently and i think you have to take the rom into consideration. maybe that rom takes more battery. i have an extended battery and i have had this happen to me.
I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
htowngator said:
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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I've been wondering about this as well. Good question
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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ajd88 said:
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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I've only cleared stats once but this is the process I used. Seemed to work well.
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I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
dirtyfingers said:
If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
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This. The battery charges to full and then will stop charging to prevent overcharging. Also it's good practice as said above to clear stats after loading a new ROM or switching out batteries.
There is an app on the market called battery calibration which walks you through step by step the proper way to calibrate it. Obviously you have to be rooted but you can clear stats without having to reboot into recovery. Of course you can run the new Das Bamf rom with their toolkit which also has a clear battery stats option in it.
What I do in the mornings when I wake up after charging all night, is reboot and continue to let it charge until I walk out the door.
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This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051 explains why this happens.
Basically the battery meter is lying to you when it says 100% right when you take it off the charger, it's actually a couple percentage points below 100%. This is because keeping the phone at 100% while on the charger shortens the battery life.
So basically don't worry it's normal.
Everyone: I know why it happens and that it's normal.
I am talking about why after I do a bump charge and keep recharging it to 100% (i.e. take it off power, let it dip to 95%, put it back on power, charge till green). After it immediately goes green I pull it off and less than a minute later it's down to 96 or 97%, for example.
I read a lot of thread about battery calibration so I want to know if someone try this on XT720 and if it's really usefull and not dangerous for the phone.
Thank you
It is useful and not dangerous at all. Your battery has, if stock that came with phone, a full charge of 4.2v.
So let's say that you have been conservatively using you phone most of the day and are at 70%. You decide to flash the Hellmonger edition or CM6 but you make a nandroid backup first. You flash them and it goes horribly wrong and your phone power dwindles down to 30% and you freakout and charge it back up.
When it is charging, you decide to hold off on flashing for a bit and want to go back to your "home" ROM, whatever that may be. You let your phone charge up to 100% and re-flash your back up. Once it reboots and settles down, you happen to notice that just 5 mins ago you were at 100%, but now after flashing your backup, your battery shows 70%.
30% drop in 5 mins is rediculous. Yes it is, bit it didn't really drop 30% in 5 mins because when you backed up your original ROM, you also backed up your data/system/batterystats.bin that was calibrated to 70%.
If you use Battery Calibrator and charge it up fully, run app, hit it and then unplug, it deletes the data/system/batterystats.bin and in a few seconds (5 ithink) it creates a new one with you proper charge and voltz.
So if you flash a lot, this is good for you. Or you can delete the batterystats.bin manually if you want, but there's an app for that.
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It is useful and not dangerous at all. Your battery has, if stock that came with phone, a full charge of 4.2v.
So let's say that you have been conservatively using you phone most of the day and are at 70%. You decide to flash the Hellmonger edition or CM6 but you make a nandroid backup first. You flash them and it goes horribly wrong and your phone power dwindles down to 30% and you freakout and charge it back up.
When it is charging, you decide to hold off on flashing for a bit and want to go back to your "home" ROM, whatever that may be. You let your phone charge up to 100% and re-flash your back up. Once it reboots and settles down, you happen to notice that just 5 mins ago you were at 100%, but now after flashing your backup, your battery shows 70%.
30% drop in 5 mins is rediculous. Yes it is, bit it didn't really drop 30% in 5 mins because when you backed up your original ROM, you also backed up your data/system/batterystats.bin that was calibrated to 70%.
If you use Battery Calibrator and charge it up fully, run app, hit it and then unplug, it deletes the data/system/batterystats.bin and in a few seconds (5 ithink) it creates a new one with you proper charge and voltz.
So if you flash a lot, this is good for you. Or you can delete the batterystats.bin manually if you want, but there's an app for that.
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So, if I understand, it's not so usefull because after I lose my 30%, if I charge and I have 100% it's really 100% not 70% right ?
I would say that it is always best to start from a clean slate. It deletes that batstat file and starts anew. Can't hurt, but if you are flashing ROMs every 3rd day like most of us, it does come in handy.
For the moral of the stroy, it will not damage your phone. Just a one click app that you can do manually with Root Explorer if you wanted to.
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I would say that it is always best to start from a clean slate. It deletes that batstat file and starts anew. Can't hurt, but if you are flashing ROMs every 3rd day like most of us, it does come in handy.
For the moral of the stroy, it will not damage your phone. Just a one click app that you can do manually with Root Explorer if you wanted to.
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Ok, thank you, I will use it when I will flash a new ROM.
Do you actually have to drain the battery fully after calibration?
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eejin2 said:
Do you actually have to drain the battery fully after calibration?
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Its recommended that the battery drain fully, and then be recharged without interruption. I guess thats to give android a full scale from full to empty, to help better report battery stats and consumption.
However for me full drain means 10-15%, its hurts the battery to be drained till the phone powers off.
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Its recommended that the battery drain fully, and then be recharged without interruption. I guess thats to give android a full scale from full to empty, to help better report battery stats and consumption.
However for me full drain means 10-15%, its hurts the battery to be drained till the phone powers off.
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Haha battery calibration definatly helps the battery a lot but u suggest not draining battery fully??
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Haha battery calibration definatly helps the battery a lot but u suggest not draining battery fully??
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I used to drain it fully till my phone turned off before calibration but I read a very detailed article about how draining the battery completely can hurt it. So I choose to drain it till 5-10% which is good enough
How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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I know that the last little bit of charge just trickles in and takes a long time. If mine is at somewhere between 4150 and 4200, i call it good and go from there. If it was showing at say 4095 and 100%, then there might be something wrong with either the data or the battery. If you are sitting at 4165, then it is charged for the most part.
The app and what it does is more for when you are flashing a ROM and have around 60% and then once booted up fully, you charge it up to 100%. Decided you don't like your ROM and go back to your original ROM via backup, it will show 60% instead of the 100 or 90% you had before you went back to back up b/c you backed up the batstat bin when you nandroided your original ROM.
How about this:
ROM: Epicsteelblue 70% (and you made a backup) Then went to CM6, charged and hit calibrate battery at 100%. Used CM6 for a few hours and decided it wasn't your bag. Your batter is at 50%. You flash back to your Epicbluesteel ROM and you know for a fact you had 50% before you flashed back, but now once totally booted, you are showing 70%. This is why you use the battery calibrator after you flash a ROM. Gotta create a new batstat bin for you "fresh" ROM (even though it is a backup).
Hope this helps explain better.
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How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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That happens sometimes to me aswell. The battery calibration app shows the battery full at 4165 or somewhere in that range. What I do with that is bump charge it. So if battery calibration shows 4165, i just calibrate it and turn the phone off while it is connected to the charger. When it turns off the charging screen appears and shows 100%, i leave it there for an hour or two. Then remove and turn the phone on. If you go into the battery information itll show the charge to be 4200 or close to that. Hope that was helpful you can try it next time.
EDIT: The reason I turn the phone off and let is charge is that when it reboots after fully charging to 4200 it can create a fresh battery stats. Remember battery stats are only rebuilt upon boot. If you calibrate your battery and then dont reboot its useless. To test calibrate it, and then use it for awhile and then try to recalibrate it the app will indicate that there are no battery stats avaible to delete. This is because the ROM has not made any new battery stats and will only make them on boot.
hey guys has anyone tried this method (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11803458&postcount=10) of calibrating battery? it seems the dev says that if u use his method, you can calibrate without downtime!!
wow this is damn cool. but its kinda complicated. the old way feels better for me i think...
Battery Updates
The battery updates every 10%, is there any way to make it update more precisely, like every 5%?
I've never been able to get anything better that 10% battery increments
Okay thanks maybe in a future rom this would be nice.
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Is their a way to change from 10% to 1% increameants.
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eejin2 said:
How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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It is the property of all rechargetable battery, 4.2V can only see at the moment charging progress just finished. when the power management IC pull of charge current, battery's voltage will drop a litte in a very short time, like you said, 4.165V for example. And, because of your charger is connected, battery will not drain, It won't be another charging progress witch you are expecting.
I know I'm digging up an old thread here, so sorry for that. I've recently tried a few other ROMs, but since have come back to CM6.3.7. I always do the battery calibration thing when I flash ROMs and each time I've tried it lately, it gives me odd information in the Battery Usage screen. I charged my phone to 100% yesterday before leaving work and when I got to work today, it showed 70%, which seemed normal, but the Battery Usage screen showed "1h 24m since last unplugged" and I know I hadn't plugged it into the wall or USB for about 12 hours. I did restart once....could that be the reason why the time since last unplugged is incorrect?
I have read every possible thread you can imagine on battery calibration and can never seem to do this correctly, is it a myth? No matter what I do, if I restart my phone, I end up going from 100% down to 85-86% EVERY SINGLE time.
This is after "bumping it". (letting it drain all the way to 0% and then fully charging again).
This is after using BATTERY CALIBRATION in the market which was told works well. (again, advises you charge to 100% then "calibrate" it via the APP).
This is after charging it to 100% and restarting it, recharging up to 100%, restarting and recharging (repeat, repeat, repeat), and then going into bootloader and wiping battery stats.
None of these have worked, does someone have a sure fire EXACT way to do this properly or is at ALL just hype? Help.
Your battery will never say 100% after a reboot. It sucks up a lot of juice on a power up and the battery doesn't charge during powering on. I usually drop about 10% on a reboot using the rezound battery. That is normal behavior. If you can charge to 100% with the phone on then you're fine.
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Interesting because I've never lost 15-16% consistently although I guess it using some juice to cycle makes sense. Anyone else seen 10+ every restart? Thanks for the help man in either case.
Hmm, never seen this before. On my phone which is running skyraider uc to 768mhz and uv only loses 1percent on reboot or doesn't even lose charge at all. Not sure why your phone is doing that.
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I am running G3D uc to 768mhz and on restart I may lose 1 - 5% at most depending on if i made any changes that take a longer restart. I bet you are overclocked? no need, under clock to 768mhz and your phone will run as smooth as 1.2mhz..maybe smoother while using less battery
Running liquid 3.2.1 on my T-Bolt with the Rezound battery and I only lose 1% battery at boot up. Never lost more...oh and I have never calibrated my battery. Also I get about 8-10 hours of moderate to heavy use too. All stock clocks btw
Just to double check - or reword... do it this way - if you aren't already.
Charge to 100%.
Wipe Batt stats
Drain to zero without recharging in any way (AKA let it drain until it shuts off on you).
Recharge until 100% (till it says 100%, not just "green."). And unplug.
And you're good! Try that and check back in.
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Ignore the % number, it means nothing. Use the battery monitor widget or another program that will show you the actual battery voltage. A fully charged battery will be somewhere around 4200 mV and a discharged battery between 3600 and 3200 mV. I've also noticed that the rezound battery throws things off as the mAh rating doesn't match up to either of the thunderbolt batteries. This is why the battery monitor widget shows the rezound battery as 2750 mAh instead of 1620.
What I recommend to my Evo peeps [which I have] is this:
-Charge battery to 100%
-Wipe battery stats in recovery
-Let the battery drain, so it manually powers off
-Charge to 100% again, and good to go
Battery Calibration doesn't work
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By this I mean Google Developers have came out recently and said battery calibration does not increase or have any effect on the state of battery life. All wiping the battery stats does is wipe the stats as to what has been using the battery, etc.
still handy for when you flash a new rom to wipe the stats, but it doesn't improve battery life at all.
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By this I mean Google Developers have came out recently and said battery calibration does not increase or have any effect on the state of battery life. All wiping the battery stats does is wipe the stats as to what has been using the battery, etc.
still handy for when you flash a new rom to wipe the stats, but it doesn't improve battery life at all.
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Actually, the post from Dianne @ Google said nothing about calibration. She only talked about wiping or deleting the battery stats file.
You are correct, however all the battery calibration apps available only delete the battery stats file. So like I said it doesn't affect battery life.
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Just to double check - or reword... do it this way - if you aren't already.
Charge to 100%.
Wipe Batt stats
Drain to zero without recharging in any way (AKA let it drain until it shuts off on you).
Recharge until 100% (till it says 100%, not just "green."). And unplug.
And you're good! Try that and check back in.
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This is what I thought I had done but will do again. The problem is even after its 100% and in between your 1st and 2nd step when I reboot into recovery, it's no longer at 100% and sometimes down to 85%ish. I will try again tho, thanks!
http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/wiping-battery-stats-is-pointless-says-google-r316
That pretty much says it. Wiping stats and calibrations are placebos.
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That pretty much says it. Wiping stats and calibrations are placebos.
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Yeah I read that too. But when I flashed my first rom on the tb I got abysmal battery life. 25% in like 20 min. I recalibrated and it got so much better. If its a placebo its a good one.
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all that says is the the deleting the batterybin file doesn't help. The battery is handled by each by software outside of android itself. So, following the battery calibration from the manufacturer of your phone still might help.
jefferyriess said:
Yeah I read that too. But when I flashed my first rom on the tb I got abysmal battery life. 25% in like 20 min. I recalibrated and it got so much better. If its a placebo its a good one.
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25% in 20 minutes means nothing. The % is an estimated number. Find an app that reads the battery voltage if you want a true reading on the battery's charge. Full is 4.2 volts, dead is between 3.0 - 3.6 volts. Battery life should only be measured in hours from full to dead. I've seen my phone stick on 100% for several hours before as well as sticking at 20% for several hours. Ignore the %. Anyone spending all day looking at a % to judge their battery life should go back to a battery indicator that doesn't show %.
Alright so it's difficult to explain this fully but I'll try. I came across battery calibration information and I went ahead and wiped the stats. I then let it drain, charge full then drain again. Now as it was charging I decided to flash another ROM, done. So that ROM took a while to fully charge but when it did I got 13hrs of battery life out of it. Now when I charge it, pretty much it stays around 50% and wo't bump higher. Literally haven't hit higher after leaving it plugged for more than 3 hours. Anyways I'm about to flash a update of said ROM and use a different kernel that is know to be more stable. But curious if there is hope for my battery? I don't plan on wiping battery stats anymore, after further readings I see it's not worth the trouble.