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http://alanrosenquist.com/bt/index.php
has anyone thought about distributing using BitTorrent instead of these file sharing places that add limits?
we can discuss the advantages and disadvantages here.
from what i see:
advantage:
easy distribution
everyone contributes to the dispersal
faster speed
simple
disadvantages:
people might not share
if file is bad or corrupted - waste of time
i'm on a 5/2 mb fiber line. i wouldnt mind helping to distribute. it would also help - statistically - to find which roms are being distributed the most, and which are most popular. -- not just to members of a forum posting that they "like this one the most because...."
open floor.
boldfacelies said:
has anyone thought about distributing using BitTorrent instead of these file sharing places that add limits?
we can discuss the advantages and disadvantages here.
from what i see:
advantage:
easy distribution
everyone contributes to the dispersal
faster speed
simple
disadvantages:
people might not share
if file is bad or corrupted - waste of time
i'm on a 5/2 mb fiber line. i wouldnt mind helping to distribute. it would also help - statistically - to find which roms are being distributed the most, and which are most popular. -- not just to members of a forum posting that they "like this one the most because...."
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ya making a bittorrent link would be nice
but ur point about being the file bad or corrupted is the same for http links with bittorrent the file cant get corrupted during upload/download (it will check the hash when its finished)
I vote YES!
Nice idea, but I guess it will done, because will no seeders. Hundred of files but no seeding, it's usual problem of small trackers.
I was thinking the same thing rapidshare et al suck. Problem will always be having seeders available. Usenet is another great option, but requires having a decent provider, and not quite as widespread and easy to use as bittorrent. We could always try having links for rapidshare, bittorent, and usenet (NZBs), and see what happens.
I have a dedicated server, willing to seed pretty much at all times. I am not sure how much traffic a tracker will generate but I am willing to do some testing. Anyone have experience setting up trackers?
and what is somebody makes a site. with only ppc software torrentz?
I have very slow GPRS connection at home... At work I have really quick connection, but Bittorrent is blocked there for obvious reasons... Rapidshare works.
The rapidshare is not the ideal, but for me it is better than torrent... Also remember that these files are not so popular (not so many people downloading ROMs all the time), so you will almost certainly download slower that from rapidshare (because unless you are lucky there will be just one "seed" and you - and even this only if anybody will be willing to make a permanent seed).
Torrent is good for big popular files - the Wizard ROMs do not fall to that category...
Mirek
blackgear - I presume you don't mean warez, right? Because I'm sure you're familiar with our forum rulez.
Guys, if you're going to torrent roms, an alternative idea might be to bunch quite a few roms together into say a 700mb torrent of various roms. That way, those who are generous can seed a bunch of roms all in one go, whereas those who need a specific rom can just download the specific rom from within the torrent.
I think in this way, you're more likely to continue to see the less "popular" roms still being seeded, as they will all be hosted within the big torrent, and the big torrent will also be less likely to end up being "poisoned" by someone/companies with viruses or fakes etc.
IMHO.
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my honest opinion, this will never work. Torrents were always good for popular mainstream stuff. People should go here for all the information instead of going to some torrent and downloading it, and end up bricking their phone.
thomassster said:
my honest opinion, this will never work. Torrents were always good for popular mainstream stuff. People should go here for all the information instead of going to some torrent and downloading it, and end up bricking their phone.
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couldnt we just include a link to the forum page in a "Read Me" or "Critical Instructions"?
fyi: checking out http://blogtorrent.com/
DownLoading now just for seeding purposes....
I have a 1.2 MB upload....
I will mirror everything posted on the tracker....
Come on all you "doubting thomases", Anything I can do to give back to this community I will do gladly....
this is up, and strong.
there is no logging taking place - unless you upload. only for the sake of moderating anything that may be illegal.
BitTorrent
I'm sure almost all of you will agree with me when i say rapidshare sucks! and by rapidshare I also mean the rest of the rapidshare-like sites (4sites, mediafire, megaupload, etc) ... and its a pain to use them to download roms, especially if there are multiple version roms (lite, full, cube, etc) and you want to get more than one (I'm not cheap or anything, but if I have to give money to download the files [referring to websites' premium account, etc], I'd rather donate the money to the rom-cookers for their hard work)
and I think most of us are familiar with torrents by now ... I searched the forum, and i don't think it has been suggested or brought up before ... but how about having a torrent setup for the roms ...
There are a lot of people (including me ) who are willing to help and share as much as possible ... ideas/comments/suggestions ?
p.s. I hope this isn't against any rules ... correct me if I'm wrong
Well, the problem with torrents is that they have to be on all day or at least until they get an ample amount of seeders so they can stop hosting it. There is a lot of people that have a limited connection and that would make it worse. For those of us who have good internet connections, and can host torrents, then this would be a good idea, but some people cant. Unless they get help from people who have good internet connections.
I've posted most of the files on my site..
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/KaiserFiles
.. and torrent sucks.
I wouldnt download these from a torrent, or anyone elses site other than the authors published links.
How do I know you haven't tampered with it prior to uploading it??
Maybe if the cooks list the MD5 for each release, then I *might* be tempted.
What if xda-devs set up a private tracker?
My torrent client is always running on my pc at home only for private trackers. its not worth having a bunch of leachers and hit and runners if they were hosted on public torrent sites.
f1ip said:
I've posted most of the files on my site..
http://f1ip.net/Downloads/KaiserFiles
.. and torrent sucks.
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I like torrents but still... here my link to the files.... see my signiture:
guys ... use 4shared.com ... no wait ... 5gb ... only max 100mb file limit!
If I am at home well supported torrents are MUCH faster. I think torrents would be a great idea and an MD5 is easy enough to generate.
4shared.com is one of my favorite download sites used on here. It works well when I am at work or on someone else's network that doesn't have the ports set up for bittorrent. But I have never seen the speeds from 4shared.com that I get from bittorrent.
I have flashed a LOT of roms on the forums and the worst thing for me is when rapidshare says "Wait another hour to download". I can tell you that I would seed the ROMs
Just my 2 cents
why
My internet sucks, my wife is always angry that I am here and not talking to her, personally I would like for you all to only host files any place that the cook would like. Really it is up to them. This is a good idea though.
This way I can stare at XDA even longer waiting for the new rom to be placed on my phone.
tilt
Rom..dualtouch v4
radio 1.27.15.32
8525
gave to my wife
now it is a cute paper wait
No torrents for me. I tried downloading a previous ROM from one and it took two hours versus a very quick download with the free rapidshare or megaupload...
(384K DSL)
Just about anything other than rapidshare is better. Latest ones I've used are 2shared.com and 4shared.com. Also Sendspace isn't too bad.
I used to put roms up on Torrents via piratebay and had a box that I left online to seed them. Problem was I saw people pulling, but nobody else was seeding. So the only way torrents will work is if you get others that are willing to pull and share, and not just pull.
why cant you post it on usenet and make a nzb file out of it so anyone can download it fast with grabbit or something and just post the nzb file here thatway people like mfrazzz dont have to seed endlessly and everyone can download the rom fast
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why cant you post it on usenet and make a nzb file out of it so anyone can download it fast with grabbit or something and just post the nzb file here thatway people like mfrazzz dont have to seed endlessly and everyone can download the rom fast
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I second this idea!
It's been a while since I patroled the NNTP servers... is there an appropriate group for posting these type of files?
start a new group alt.binairies.xda.kaiser??? for our roms or alt.binairies.xda for all roms posted on this site like the ftp sever before microsoft bashed it
use this forum for nzb posting and the usenet for all the pars and rars so people only need to install a newsreader and download a nzb file not search for all the pars rars manually
keep the acces to the usenet group closed for cookers only so that not anyone can subscribe to the group
the only thing the cookers have to do is upload the file's to the group and create a nzb post it in the forum and everyone is happy
I think torrents are much better idea.
But the tracker should be in xda site and accessible only to registered members of the forum.
If everyone will keep the golden rule of 1.1 ratio, then there are no problems and It will be much better that all free upload sites. rAPIDHSARE sux...
Whatever the case is I think its worth a try...
Great Idea! Also, have a point system based on the ip you use most on here, so when ever you don do your share you loss points and a certain amount of points is required to download certain things! If you cant seed for certian reasons then you will be the excpetion? Eh, good idea?
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start a new group alt.binairies.xda.kaiser??? for our roms or alt.binairies.xda for all roms posted on this site like the ftp sever before microsoft bashed it
use this forum for nzb posting and the usenet for all the pars and rars so people only need to install a newsreader and download a nzb file not search for all the pars rars manually
keep the acces to the usenet group closed for cookers only so that not anyone can subscribe to the group
the only thing the cookers have to do is upload the file's to the group and create a nzb post it in the forum and everyone is happy
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Chainfire already did this, it didn't take off at all and it's been a link on the wiki for quite some time now. http://www.jongma.org/xda-nzb/
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Great Idea! Also, have a point system based on the ip you use most on here, so when ever you don do your share you loss points and a certain amount of points is required to download certain things! If you cant seed for certian reasons then you will be the excpetion? Eh, good idea?
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Torrents, a bunch of mirrors, mirrored mirrors and all sorts of things have been discussed in the past. None of them got past the talk stage. If/when they have, they've been completely *OWNED* by the bandwidth usage.
There are hundreds of people downloading these files and you'll be lucky to have a 100:1 ratio for seeding vs. downloading. That means that everyone will get around 2KB/s each, 7x to 21x slower than the typical 15 to 45KB/s download from RapidShare or MegaUpload.
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Torrents, a bunch of mirrors, mirrored mirrors and all sorts of things have been discussed in the past. None of them got past the talk stage. If/when they have, they've been completely *OWNED* by the bandwidth usage.
There are hundreds of people downloading these files and you'll be lucky to have a 100:1 ratio for seeding vs. downloading. That means that everyone will get around 2KB/s each, 7x to 21x slower than the typical 15 to 45KB/s download from RapidShare or MegaUpload.
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Torrents are really only good for 1gb files and up.
Torrents would work fine if it was done on a credits-based system with a private tracker (private meaning you must create an account, not invite only - could be tied together w/forum accounts)
The tracker would enforce at least a 1:1 ratio beyond the first 'free' download, and in the case a torrent gets orphaned the tracker could also hold a local mirror of the files, so when seeds becomes < 1, it kicks on as a seed and finishes at least one person off to keep the torrent alive..
As far as torrents being only really good for 1gb files and up, that holds true for public torrents, but on a private credit based system, arbitrary sizes work fine
Plus people in general have a fixation with making a number grow larger and larger, so a credit-based system has it's own built in motivational driver. It's the basis for most video games out there! (score, xp, level, etc!) You could even give each forum user a special icon or access to a custom tagline, etc. depending on their current level of credits, for another motivational driver to keep seeding up.
I've noticed that many developer use Rapidshare, Megaupload, etc to share their ROMs, however these sites are very annoying in that they throttle bandwidth, force you to wait, force one download at a time, etc - unless of course you are willing to pay.
I have attempted to help a number of ROM developers by granting them FTP access to my hosting - but I have realised that this is only a temporary measure - and that a better way must exist.
So the solution it here - Xda Uploads - http://xdauploads.vidmes.com
Developers can upload their ROMs to a temporary location on my site via FTP then, using Xda Uploads, they can move the file into their own folder in the http://vidmes.com/xda/ folders.
At the moment it is still in beta, and a number of features are missing - but, depending on the feedback from developers, features will be added and bugs fixed.
So, Xda Upload!
NOTE: All those who already have FTP accounts from me are welcome to keep them and assist in moderating\maintaining the xda folders
Excellent!!!
How about adding some of the originial roms like the WM5 OEM/Operator ROMS as well ...or is there a legal issue there?
rdosti said:
How about adding some of the originial roms like the WM5 OEM/Operator ROMS as well ...or is there a legal issue there?
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Go for it
If there is a legal issue, then I'll get an email from my hosting company and I'll pull the offending material down. Worst case, my site goes down for a couple of days (and this has happened before...).
btw. I haven't seen anyone sign up yet :'( (but that isn't an excuse for anyone to register - I'd rather keep this as a Dev\Cook\Senior Member service...)
Hello Android users and devs!
First of all I want to apologize for posting in the General Discussion, but I do not have enough posts to do it in the Development Section.
Also I am not aware whether this has been already discussed or is it forbidden (I didn't found such restrictions in the rules)
Anyway, since I got my Desire S this forum is the primary source of information for me, as well as for all the other visitors around.
And especially when it comes to custom rom files there are troubles with dead links, crappy file sharing sites with stupid limitations, etc.
So I think it will be much more convenient for everyone (devs and users) to use the torrent system via magnet link (combined with QR scan maybe) for all the files that are posted around here. The download speed will be much better and all that have downloaded the file once will contribute by seeding it to the others. And of course via the appropriate client the files can be downloaded directly to the SD Card (this is of course possible now through the phone web browser, but a lot of steps are required - waiting, human security check forms, etc.).
Looking forward to your comments.
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Hello Android users and devs!
First of all I want to apologize for posting in the General Discussion, but I do not have enough posts to do it in the Development Section.
Also I am not aware whether this has been already discussed or is it forbidden (I didn't found such restrictions in the rules)
Anyway, since I got my Desire S this forum is the primary source of information for me, as well as for all the other visitors around.
And especially when it comes to custom rom files there are troubles with dead links, crappy file sharing sites with stupid limitations, etc.
So I think it will be much more convenient for everyone (devs and users) to use the torrent system via magnet link (combined with QR scan maybe) for all the files that are posted around here. The download speed will be much better and all that have downloaded the file once will contribute by seeding it to the others. And of course via the appropriate client the files can be downloaded directly to the SD Card (this is of course possible now through the phone web browser, but a lot of steps are required - waiting, human security check forms, etc.).
Looking forward to your comments.
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I'd suggest that you post this question within this the XDA forum in the chance that one of the mods will answer as this relates to rules and policy and isn't something that a member can answer.
Thank you for your reply! I agree on the policy matter, but my general idea was to start a discussion on this topic. In my opinion the torrent system is much more friendly when it comes to file sharing and I was curious is there people around that agree on that, especially the regular users like me and also the developers that are posting files all the time. One of the advantages as well is that on single torrent there can be multiple files attached.
So what do you think?
Sounds like a great idea
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Thank you for your reply! I agree on the policy matter, but my general idea was to start a discussion on this topic. In my opinion the torrent system is much more friendly when it comes to file sharing and I was curious is there people around that agree on that, especially the regular users like me and also the developers that are posting files all the time. One of the advantages as well is that on single torrent there can be multiple files attached.
So what do you think?
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I totally agree with you, but unfortunately if the people here at XDA don't then its a wasted discussion.
Ok, there is the new thread. Let's see what will be the verdict
Bitdroid - Home | Bitroid - Tracker | Bitdroid - Forum
Introducing Bitdroid! The dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs!
After a couple of weeks of trial-and-error, I have finally got a torrent tracker site setup and running for Android ROM developers; a place for them to create and track a torrent for their ROMs.
Why use a torrent tracker like Bitdroid.org versus regular download links? Easy: better flow of download traffic, which equates to faster downloads!
Peer-2-Peer, or P2P, (torrents in this case) are better for high-flow traffic compared to normal HTTP (sites like Mediafire) or FTP. In HTTP or FTP, users can only download, and it's only from a single server. The more people downloading a file from a single server, the slower the download for everybody on that server requesting the same file. This is not the case for P2P connections. Every user that's downloading, downloads from another user. All of the users download are also uploading to other users, so the traffic is not coming from a single source. It is coming from many sources, alleviating slow downloads, enabling higher traffic. P2P is a much superior way to distribute large files (such as Android ROMs).
So where did this idea come from? After the release of several popular ROMs, I saw people complaining about slow download speeds, and having to upload to several different download mirrors for others to download at a fast pace again, until those became "clogged" for a while as well. P2P, as previously mentioned, would have alleviated this and reduced (or even eliminated) the need for several HTTP / FTP mirrors. HTTP download links could still be provided, but torrent links could also be provided to help alleviate high traffic, congested downloads.
P2P also allows tracking and stats of an individual download. Each file is tracked by the amount of seeders (people uploading), leechers (people downloading), and total downloads.
I've searched, and I couldn't find a dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs; I could only find trackers for general use, or other specific uses (movies, games, etc.), of which not all of these are completely safe due to concern of possible copyrighted content. With Bitdroid, only Android ROMs are allowed, and it is preferred that the original developer of the ROM uploads the file (or with permission from the developer, a 3rd-party user could upload the ROM). Since Android is open-source, there aren't any legal concerns of piracy and such due the open-source licensing of the Android OS.
For an added layer of "security" only an approved member group is allowed to upload files. You must be manually added to the group before being able to upload torrents, to try and further discourage potential piracy or unauthorized uploading of ROMs.
I currently have a splash-page setup, that links to the actual tracker, as well as a forum (work-in-progress).
If you're a developer or know a developer, please sign up on the torrent tracker and/or forum and I can get you setup to upload your torrents, and don't forget to spread the word!
If you have any questions or comments, please either post here or on the website! Come and check it out!
Note: I have permission from YZ to post this.
Bump. Got mixed reviews in the Rezound forum about this; not much response from Dev's yet (which is what I would like the opinion of as well).
I think this is awesome!
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News page, forum what next apps we have to pay ?
The idea is great but you should respect the word *torrent*.
this is a brilliant idea, its annoying having to navigate through those nasty ad filled, speed restricted file hosting sites, i hope it grows and grows
my signup email conformation hasnt come through though
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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tarekkkkk said:
News page, forum what next apps we have to pay ?
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Wait what? That's not a real sentence.
Oh finally i become a reality.
erktheerk said:
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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check your spamfolder!
Check out some of my work and ths work of my team mates in the sprint epic4g touch section. Let me know If we qualify.
BRING IT ON! I'll seed like a mofo!!!
Always been intrigued why no Android ROM developer uses torrent technologies... Even on questionable tracker as Pirate Bay (Yes, you can find legal stuff there ^^).
Now there is no excuse ! With this tracker, we can download almost eyes closed. And now, every body can help, even if no developer, even without giving money. Let's seed !
I'll warm up my seed box this evening !
we can only say you THANK alot and good job . but one thing ..
it is for every Rom ( custom and shipped rom ) or just rom leaked by private developers ?
ps : I haven't paypal from me ( Country's restricted ) , sure I would donate you some $$ ...
awesome news !
guys pay alot for hosting 300mb allinone roms on their hosting , torrent solution rocks!
Any Torrents with this Symbol are Ratio Boosters. Only your Upload is Recorded!!
This is a Great way to Boost your Ratio. Normal Site Seeding Rules Apply.
Seed to 1.0 or 36 hours to avoid Hit and Runs.
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The idea is good, however i think having a ratio system on the site will do it more harm than good.
Unless you download the rom soon after its uploaded your probably going to struggle to seed it back, especially if its from a developer who updates the rom every couple of days. I think its very unlikely someone would download the older version once the next build is out.
Wow, my site made the front page news! Awesome .
Emba4 said:
this is a brilliant idea, its annoying having to navigate through those nasty ad filled, speed restricted file hosting sites, i hope it grows and grows
my signup email conformation hasnt come through though
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Hmm, weird. Like previously mentioned, check your spam folder. I'll see what I can do later when I get off work.
erktheerk said:
Donated $3 has not shown. Still Says Zero. Also been waiting on a confirmation email...It's new. Kinks to work out. Hope my $3 helps is the most I can spare.
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Wait what? That's not a real sentence.
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Yeah, there's kinks to work out (new to PHP as well so that doesn't help lol). Not sure why the donation thing isn't updating... I'll have to look into that.
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Check out some of my work and ths work of my team mates in the sprint epic4g touch section. Let me know If we qualify.
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Sure! Just post a thread in the Bitdroid forums in the Uploader Request board!
djibrilcoulibaly said:
we can only say you THANK alot and good job . but one thing ..
it is for every Rom ( custom and shipped rom ) or just rom leaked by private developers ?
ps : I haven't paypal from me ( Country's restricted ) , sure I would donate you some $$ ...
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It's for any ROM. There's categories for stock ROMs, custom ROMs (from developers), or 'Other' (for kernels or something like that). I can always add more categories as well if anybody has suggestions!
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The idea is good, however i think having a ratio system on the site will do it more harm than good.
Unless you download the rom soon after its uploaded your probably going to struggle to seed it back, especially if its from a developer who updates the rom every couple of days. I think its very unlikely someone would download the older version once the next build is out.
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I've disabled ratio restrictions on the site. Where did you find that tidbit at? Was it in the rules/FAQ? If so, that's just because I haven't really had any time to update that at all, due to classes starting up again.
Worry not, ratio is not a concern (but sharing what you download always looks good ).
if so it's better thank once more .
It's for any ROM. There's categories for stock ROMs, custom ROMs (from developers), or 'Other' (for kernels or something like that). I can always add more categories as well if anybody has suggestions!
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No problem. The categories I currently have:
- AOSP / AOKP
- Other
- Proprietary GUI (for ones like Sense, TouchWiz, etc.)
- Stock (Rooted)
- Stock / RUU's
Would just like to thank everybody for their support!
Unable to register. It claims that I'm not matching the CAPTCHA (I think...)
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The confirm code you entered is too short.
The confirmation code you entered was incorrect.
There is no CAPTCHA, and I have filled out all 5 fields that are shown on the registration page properly.
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Unable to register. It claims that I'm not matching the CAPTCHA (I think...)
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The confirm code you entered is too short.
The confirmation code you entered was incorrect.
There is no CAPTCHA, and I have filled out all 5 fields that are shown on the registration page properly.
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Are you trying to register through the forum or the tracker?
If you're trying through the forum, try registering through the tracker instead. Another user PM'd me with a similar error I believe, and he was trying to go through the forum.
Alright, sorry about the issues registering on the forum guys. There was a conflicting option turned on that I missed when setting up the forum.
It should be working now for registration.