I called Samsung today to get my Stereo Headset replaced and the guy said my Nexus S 4g is already out of Warranty. Now of course i didn't tell him i rooted my phone but wtf I just bought it 12/21/2011. Anyone?
Maybe they were BLUFFING, because lots people buy this phone is because this is Google's son, pure blood of android, we can say 9 of 10 nexus were unlocked and rooted
So it won't be surprised that they assuming you unlocked and rooted it...
Even somehow nexus s has background transmission to them and tell them status, how can they possibly know that unlocked rooted phone is yours?
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qtwrk said:
Maybe they were blushing, because lots people buy this phone is because this is Google's son, pure blood of android, we can say 9 of 10 nexus were unlocked and rooted
So it won't be surprised that they assuming you unlocked and rooted it...
Even somehow nexus s has background transmission to them and tell them status, how can they possibly know that unlocked rooted phone is yours?
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Yeah your right, they were probably "bluffing" and thats true lol 9 out of 10 Nexi 4g were rooted lol
treyweez11 said:
Yeah your right, they were probably "bluffing" and thats true lol 9 out of 10 Nexi 4g were rooted lol
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yes yes , BLUFFING, that's the word i wanted to say , i just heard it sometimes from movies , so i don't know how to split it
this is embarrasing
qtwrk said:
yes yes , BLUFFING, that's the word i wanted to say , i just heard it sometimes from movies , so i don't know how to split it
this is embarrasing
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LMFAO its all good
I don't know if Samsung can tell, but since we're talking about Google Experience devices, I know Motorola can tell if you've ever unlocked the bootloader on your Xoom. If you boot a Xoom into the bootloader's fastboot mode and type "fastboot getvar all", there's a variable there called "IsWarrantyVoid". Out of the factory, it's set to "no", but as soon as you unlock the bootloader for the first time, it changes to "yes". Once IsWarrantyVoid is set to yes, no amount of re-locking will ever get it to change.
The Nexus S doesn't have this fastboot variable, but there could be something stored in the bootloader somewhere that we can't see; something that can tell Samsung if the bootloader has ever been unlocked before. Sounds kinda fishy to me.
my point is , even they know the phone is unlock unrooted , how can they possibly know it is your phone ?
just like 10 people buy a same phone at same time in same place and 9 of them unlocked unroot , and the one who didn't unlock , didn't root calls for help and be told his warranty is avoided ...
or in USA you buy a phone need to binding with your personal ID ?
phone's IMEI matches with personal ID ????
I'm pretty sure it will show up even if you relock it. I unrooted my phone once and it still displayed the unlocked padlock on the bootloader screen.
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my point is , even they know the phone is unlock unrooted , how can they possibly know it is your phone ?
just like 10 people buy a same phone at same time in same place and 9 of them unlocked unroot , and the one who didn't unlock , didn't root calls for help and be told his warranty is avoided ...
or in USA you buy a phone need to binding with your personal ID ?
phone's IMEI matches with personal ID ????
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I don't think they would know it's your phone but they can know if you've unlocked and relocked the bootloader to skirt the warranty issue.
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WFT..???
he said "I called Samsung" ???? call ??? like telephone call ???????? they can see through you through telephone line ????? or there is other meaning of word "call" ????
treyweez11 said:
I called Samsung today to get my Stereo Headset replaced and the guy said my Nexus S 4g is already out of Warranty. Now of course i didn't tell him i rooted my phone but wtf I just bought it 12/21/2011. Anyone?
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Maybe you are actually out of warranty... did you buy it *new* 12/21/2011?
*if you didn't wipe /system and /boot it is NOT A FULL WIPE* (relax, it's a signature)
I think even if they do track the nexus's that are rooted or stock they cannot identify your device without checking the IMIE or something ...
irizwan said:
I think even if they do track the nexus's that are rooted or stock they cannot identify your device without checking the IMIE or something ...
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yeah ... you clear it what i can't state clear in 1 page
Yeah i called Samsung as in on the phone and this forum just got tooo technical for me lol
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Has anyone thought that maybe google has made 2.3 unrootable? Scary thought i know, but its kind of like a cat and mouse game with the developers and google/manufacturers with root patches.
Maybe google finally will put the nail in the coffin here?
WOOT. It's rooted, im happily wrong.
It's a developer phone, so why would Google want to make devs waste time trying to root.
could it be possible that Google enable root access by default, then?
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could it be possible that Google enable root access by default, then?
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Definately not.
Dev phones have always been rootable, i doubt that will change.
The phones that have trouble being rooted are always manufacture customized ones.
it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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I'd bet that it will be rooted BEFORE!
The developer build on my Nexus One is already rooted. I don't imagine the release build will be any different from all of the previous OTAs.
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it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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You are correct.
Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
fastboot oem unlock
FPRobber said:
Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
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Your right, as of now I don't think Samsung locked any of their phones, but the only thing Samsung has on this phone is the hardware aspect. All the software aspect is by Google.
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Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
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Then how do you explain threads like this (on the samsung galaxy sub forums):
[HOWTO] [REF] [FAQ] [Guides] [Tutorials] Flash/Root/ADB/ROM [MUST READ!]
It seems like you have carrier/sim lock and root confused. Just like nearly every phone on the market, they are locked. You will also need root to do anything that says "please root your phone". They do not ship this way...
I'm sure it will be rootable... Google doesn't want to block out developers
Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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Very true
Look right above the Youtube icon.... http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
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Look right above the Youtube icon.... http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
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that's unlocked for carriers with gsm...that's not root. Simply meaning it will work with at&t or tmobile by changing the sim card. Root lets you edit system files and a custom recovery to flash roms
Lmao no one so far in this thread should get one of these developer phones as you plainly do not understand what you are doing here when it comes to deciding what the difference is between root permissions and unlocked to all networks.
lets put it this way, if you are one of the above who are having trouble, dream on and steer clear from the prospects of rooting all together
unless that is you fancy yourself a very expensive paperweight?
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Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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This command unlocks your bootloader on the N1/N-S allowing you to flash custom roms, but visibly voids your warranty (bootloader screen shows that it's unlocked)
Hi all
I'm new to this site
I'd like to have some info
my nexus 5 is coming from US tomorrow , i 'm told by google that the phone is unlocked so i could use it on any carrier in Canada .
Id like to know that do i need to Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery and Root ?
I'm going to use it for call , internet , play some game ...
Thanks for your time
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Hi all
I'm new to this site
I'd like to have some info
my nexus 5 is coming from US tomorrow , i 'm told by google that the phone is unlocked so i could use it on any carrier in Canada .
Id like to know that do i need to Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery and Root ?
I'm going to use it for call , internet , play some game ...
Thanks for your time
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Do you NEED to? No, and most certainly not for the uses you've just mentioned.
Should you?
Decide for yourself!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2508292
alexmyan said:
Hi all
I'm new to this site
I'd like to have some info
my nexus 5 is coming from US tomorrow , i 'm told by google that the phone is unlocked so i could use it on any carrier in Canada .
Id like to know that do i need to Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery and Root ?
I'm going to use it for call , internet , play some game ...
Thanks for your time
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I am sure there are plenty of people that have bought the phone that don't even know xda exist or what rooting/ unlocking the boot loader means which is fine. But since you are here yes do it you won't be sorry.
Follow the above URL instead of using chainfire or whatever Google comes up with in the first search results. It has been causing problems and goofy things.
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Id like to know that do i need to Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery and Root ?
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No you don't and also, no you shouldn't. Not unless you identify the need to. People jump into root for no reason and without understanding. These people often break their phones. Don't let this be you.
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Hi there
I think that i have to know the phone first , then will decide what to do ,
sure that i'll have more question in future about the phone
Thanks for your time to help me
alexmyan said:
Hi there
I think that i have to know the phone first , then will decide what to do ,
sure that i'll have more question in future about the phone
Thanks for your time to help me
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Even if you don't decide to root right away, I would suggest at the very least unlocking the bootloader before setting up your phone. When you unlock, it wipes all your data so it's best to get it out of the way before you invest too much time setting up your phone. If you unlock but never decide to root, it's no big deal, but at least you're covered if you do decide to take the plunge.
I just bought Nexus 5 yesterday .
the retailer shop said that my warranty will be void if i root the device .
the guy also said he can check my phone whether the phone have been rooted or not even if i unroot it .
So my question is, Is it possible to check the phone used to be rooted even if i unroot it?
or he just bluffing ?
Sorry for my bad english .
If you flash the factory images, lock the bootloader and reset the tamper flag, they wont be able to know if it was ever rooted.
nooneknow21 said:
I just bought Nexus 5 yesterday .
the retailer shop said that my warranty will be void if i root the device .
the guy also said he can check my phone whether the phone have been rooted or not even if i unroot it .
So my question is, Is it possible to check the phone used to be rooted even if i unroot it?
or he just bluffing ?
Sorry for my bad english .
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Even if you Root and unlock the boot loader, you can revert back to previous state which your warranty statement claims by following this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513701
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nooneknow21 said:
I just bought Nexus 5 yesterday .
the retailer shop said that my warranty will be void if i root the device .
the guy also said he can check my phone whether the phone have been rooted or not even if i unroot it .
So my question is, Is it possible to check the phone used to be rooted even if i unroot it?
or he just bluffing ?
Sorry for my bad english .
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why would u even say anything about root to him anyways?
P.Mobile said:
why would u even say anything about root to him anyways?
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I didnt say anything about rooting. The guy told me himself.
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I didnt say anything about rooting. The guy told me himself.
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If you do as @Chromium said above warranty is fully restored.
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If you do as @Chromium said above warranty is fully restored.
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Thanks. Glad to hear that
You`re welcome
I purchased a Verizon htc one m8 off some guy and i went home erased the phone a 2nd time and realized something called SuperSu was installed and i knew right then & there this fool gave sold me rooted phone so i click the app and pressed full unroot then restarted the phone the app was erased... Restarted the phone in bootloader mode or what ever and the top says Unlocked and S-off but no tampered sign and the software status says official so the questions i have are
1) Do i have to re root this phone in order to lock the bootloader and return to S-on?
2) Will re locking the bootloader or returning to S-on brick my device or any chance of bricking my device ?
3)If my software status says official is that good or bad ?
4) Will i be able to install future updates at all if i leave the device like it is now ?
Thnak you for taking your time to read this.
Why would you want to relock it? Learn how to do things this way and take advantage is the fact that you aren't locked down to Verizon's chains.
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silver04v said:
Why would you want to relock it? Learn how to do things this way and take advantage is the fact that you aren't locked down to Verizon's chains.
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well i pay 11 dollars for a warranty i need my warranty lol...
MH1994 said:
well i pay 11 dollars for a warranty i need my warranty lol...
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Verizon doesnt care if its rooted or S-OFF.
If I have to send a phone back I send it with my own ROMS on them.
They have never said anything.
As well, I dont recommend turning S-On as you have a much greater chance of bricking the phone.
I would just leave it as it is... Well, actually... I would load my ROM
Well lol
scrosler said:
Verizon doesnt care if its rooted or S-OFF.
If I have to send a phone back I send it with my own ROMS on them.
They have never said anything.
As well, I dont recommend turning S-On as you have a much greater chance of bricking the phone.
I would just leave it as it is... Well, actually... I would load my ROM
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well software wise i think they would i mean if my software messed up it would be "my fault" lol...i dont think they would replace my phone
Just got mine today and it looks like the value is NO even I have allowed OEM unlock in developer options. A quick search showed if the value is no, you will never be able to unlock.
A very bad news for me. A few questions:
1. is that really not possible to unlock it? Who shall I contact? Sony or Carrier?
2. Can I root with locked Bootloader? And flash TWRP and ROMs?
Thanks
Kan
No, there is no way to root or unlock your bootloader if it reads 'No' on 'bootloader unlock allowed?'
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Just got mine today and it looks like the value is NO even I have allowed OEM unlock in developer options. A quick search showed if the value is no, you will never be able to unlock.
A very bad news for me. A few questions:
1. is that really not possible to unlock it? Who shall I contact? Sony or Carrier?
2. Can I root with locked Bootloader? And flash TWRP and ROMs?
Thanks
Kan
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I would RMA the device if it's not unlockable.
Unless u don't want to modify anything ever.
Did u got it branded from your network provider?
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I would RMA the device if it's not unlockable.
Unless u don't want to modify anything ever.
Did u got it branded from your network provider?
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
DannyCanuck said:
No, there is no way to root or unlock your bootloader if it reads 'No' on 'bootloader unlock allowed?'
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I had lots of devices before. Most of them allow root with unlock bootloader. Sony is an exception?
seanwuk said:
I had lots of devices before. Most of them allow root with unlock bootloader. Sony is an exception?
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Yes it is.
On older Z series it was possible to root on stock kernel and therefore Unlocking bootloader wasn't required for rooting.
Since Z5, they implement Sony RIC and DM-VERITY, which prevents modification to system and therefore root.
To root, we need a kernel supporting root inside the boot image.
We can't flash any kernel other than stock (signed by Sony) on locked bootloader.
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
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That's a bumm.
RMA means sending phone back and receive the money in return.
Did the seller told u it's carrierlocked phone?
Mostly on carrier locked phones there's no sticker or logo from the carrier visible on the outside.
U can try to contact Bell and explain them what's the problem. In some cases a carrier can unlock it for u. (they might charge a little fee for it)
Good luck!
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
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If you've got the Bell Z5 then you're in the same boat as myself. No way to unlock the bootloader, thus no way to root, meaning I can have ZERO fun with this device. I even paid Bell for a SIM Unlock thinking it might trigger the bootloader unlock option to change to 'Yes' Allowed, but no such luck.
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If you've got the Bell Z5 then you're in the same boat as myself. No way to unlock the bootloader, thus no way to root, meaning I can have ZERO fun with this device. I even paid Bell for a SIM Unlock thinking it might trigger the bootloader unlock option to change to 'Yes' Allowed, but no such luck.
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So I guess you have contacted Bell for unlocking it but no success? Even we would like to pay a fee for it?
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Yes it is.
On older Z series it was possible to root on stock kernel and therefore Unlocking bootloader wasn't required for rooting.
Since Z5, they implement Sony RIC and DM-VERITY, which prevents modification to system and therefore root.
To root, we need a kernel supporting root inside the boot image.
We can't flash any kernel other than stock (signed by Sony) on locked bootloader.
That's a bumm.
RMA means sending phone back and receive the money in return.
Did the seller told u it's carrierlocked phone?
Mostly on carrier locked phones there's no sticker or logo from the carrier visible on the outside.
U can try to contact Bell and explain them what's the problem. In some cases a carrier can unlock it for u. (they might charge a little fee for it)
Good luck!
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Thanks for sharing with me. You are very knowledgeable. I bought from a guy who bought from Bell. I doubt Bell will actually support my request. I will try to use it for a bit and resell if I cannot live without root. I have been using root devices since HTC G1.
All phones from carriers usually have locked bootloaders, except for nexus devices. This is why you never buy from a carrier if you want custom roms.
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Thanks for sharing with me. You are very knowledgeable. I bought from a guy who bought from Bell. I doubt Bell will actually support my request. I will try to use it for a bit and resell if I cannot live without root. I have been using root devices since HTC G1.
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It's worth trying, just see how they react
I got pretty used to root too, since my first Android a galaxy S i9000 lol
Though, when I bought this phone (my second Sony) I decided to use it without root too and in the beginning it was a bit of a struggle but later I didn't miss it at all.
I only unlocked my bootloader after a few months, just to use another kernel.
You can disable most (if not all) bloatware via settings.
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It's worth trying, just see how they react
I got pretty used to root too, since my first Android a galaxy S i9000 lol
Though, when I bought this phone (my second Sony) I decided to use it without root too and in the beginning it was a bit of a struggle but later I didn't miss it at all.
I only unlocked my bootloader after a few months, just to use another kernel.
You can disable most (if not all) bloatware via settings.
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I think Android 6 did a good job controlling app permissions. But thats the thing as you mentioned, you cannot try variety of optimizations from community. sigh.
My boootloader unlock status is also NO.
Is there anyway to flash Androplus kernel with own recovery via fastboot flashtool to get recovery and than trough him install super su zip and with that way root Z5?
Allek84 said:
My boootloader unlock status is also NO.
Is there anyway to flash Androplus kernel with own recovery via fastboot flashtool to get recovery and than trough him install super su zip and with that way root Z5?
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If this or anything simmilar possible?
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If this or anything simmilar possible?
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Unfortunately not only way is change the device to one that says Bootloader unlock allowed YES the only carrier/network I know of that supply devices with unlockable Bootloaders for all there handsets whether payg or contract is three UK+Ireland as they only supply devices that are sim free network unlocked devices like what you would get from Sony store one of the main reasons I'm with them