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Samsung/XDA part2

I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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SamsungJohn said:
I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
Thanks
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I'm not sure there are a lot of expectations here to be let down. We know that in most cases you probably wouldn't be able to offer us beta, or even alpha firmware and software to develop with or on. RC firmware and software would be just as much out of the question so we're down to what is already out, or something that is leaked by people friendly to the development communities that take the chance of getting in to a lot of trouble. So I don't really know what you have to offer yet. I am curious to find out, though.

Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
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"IF" this where to happen it would be a good thing for both samsung and xda for the simple fact that it would help us make better mods for the samsung community and would allow samsung to release things that are more open to modding and customizations that all of us around here love and enjoy making (or in my case learning to make)...hope all goes well with this.

I am a dubious person and do not have expectations as I am still uncertain as to your intentions and more importantly you identity.
But if all is as you say I would take back to the powers that be, many are obviously unhappy with having to run outdated software in the form of the OS on what was at the time of purchase cutting edge hardware.
Give us a option. Give us a way to open the phone up and flash a AOSP option. A more Nexus-ish approach would be fantastic.
The Mainstream will have what they require in a stock configuration and we the ones that know what the potential of the device is can help you in pushing it to its limits.

Well I'm trying to get my post count up so I can comment in development. Anywho kudos to samsung.

Thanks again John, I'm excited and look forward to hearing your announcement!
For those skeptics, he's been trying to prove that he's legit;
http://img602.imageshack.us/i/20110211164013.jpg/
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/20110211205159.jpg/
http://img46.imageshack.us/i/20110211205212.jpg/
http://img841.imageshack.us/i/20110211205219.jpg/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11300099&postcount=78
He already posted these in the captivate forum, let's show him a better welcome while we wait for final details!

mesmerbelly said:
Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
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Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.

akellar said:
Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.
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maybe samsung will use us for testing and maybe some tweaking...that would give us a chance to develop on it before its officially released and we would just plain out have it early, cause if you give the devs here like 2 weeks with just about anything it will be fully modded and running to its full potential!!!
props to xda devs!!!

Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
TwitterSamsungJohn

Hopefully their next approach works out better, they should have known better than to open a topic up to the entire forum
They should probably have moderator's from each device take questions from their users, then they could collaborate and get only the good questions answered. (and you wouldn't have to deal with trolls/flames/etc.)

SamsungJohn said:
Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
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I suppose the question *since we can't ask specifics* is....
What can you do to help us and or what tools can you provide to the DEVs to help us get every bit of Awesome out of the device that we can.
Put the ball in your court.

Glad THIS thread is still open...
(Does SamsungJohn know how forums work?!?)
ANYhoo... I'm a give 'em enough rope to hang themselves kinda guy and I've actually been recommending the Mesmerize & Fascinate to friends that need new phones based solely on the great XDA community and what they can get those phones to do using only a bread tie, three pennies, and a jar of Cheez Wiz. Kudos to the devs once again!
I had no delusions that Samsung was a great manufacturer... my TV and DVD/home theater unit have had their share of problems... and I was also aware of the OS update delays in other product lines before I got my phone so that wasn't a big surprise either. BUT, I got in on the free phone thing through USCC and (if I EVER get my $80 rebate) I'll still consider being a Mesmerize owner/user a WIN.
What I see here is a classic example of a company that has the OBVIOUS solution within their grasp and they are actively choosing to find an alternative to it that will provide them SHORT TERM monetary gains. They have set themselves up for failure and they have only themselves to blame. Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing

Guys if you haven't read through it, that topic was closed by a moderator because it was an experiment that failed miserably. (because the general XDA population isn't very good at reading and following instruction, and it turned into a huge flamefest.)
John has been confirmed by several sources to be who he says he is (at least works for samsung) and is here working with the XDA administration to (in an organized way) swap feedback with the developing community (on all samsung products).
On a side note Supercurio has been in correspondence with Korean Samsung and has been also pushing for this very thing to happen, but from what I've read i'ts pure coincidence that John arrived when he did.
Anyway, sounds to me like we need to be patient as information IS coming as soon as they figure out the best way to go about this whole thing. This is how I've taken things from what I've read today, don't quote me....

monthlymixcd said:
Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing
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In all fairness Crowdsourceing is what the whole AOSP is about. Android was and is developed to be Open Source. So if a company is reaching out to the community it can't be all bad.
I just think that for the most part a lot of us here are end users.
While I am sure that others like me want to, and strive to learn more, we simply will not be on a par with the current crop of DEVs as they progress as well.
I think the idea of a couple DEVs from each of the respective forums of the variations of the SGS platforms being in contact is a smart idea.
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
In fact a meeting of the minds in a channel of choice with only participants having voice would be nice as well.
I do understand and hope that SamsungJohn does know as well that most here are simply end users and just wanna know when we will get xxx or yyy ..
I will now go back to my corner get my Java Text out and see if I can learn, learn, learn....

If samsung really wants to get in good with the developement community, they would be wise to make it entirely official, and go to engadget or someone with a press release. If you want to gain our trust, give everyone the AOSP build.
Do I want sammy to be community-minded? Absolutely.
Am I going to trust one guy who says he works for our manufacturer? Well, let's get to the root of that. Do I trust the company who created out hardware? Not at all.

Sighcosis said:
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
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Yeah I frequent the irc with those guys and we're always willing to help people... I think a lot of people come to forums just to get help and information rather than to develop and theme and stuff like we do. It would probably be more beneficial for Samsungjohn to maybe set up a date on the irc and say like "I will be on from x time to y time" and then people can get on and ask questions and talk about things, and more of the power users who use the irc regularly will get a chance to maybe learn some stuff or help out Samsung.
It would also make it much easier to control, if things get out of hand then the OPs can simply kick or ban the culprits.
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[Q] ICS on infuse 4G?

is there any possibility that ICS rom is ported to INFUSE 4G?

Fail...you know what, I'm not going to flame you. How about you go to the other bajillion threads on noobs asking for ICS and consider the flaming there "yours."
And you'd think after being a member since 09, you would read first...

xIC-MACIx said:
Fail...you know what, I'm not going to flame you. How about you go to the other bajillion threads on noobs asking for ICS and consider the flaming there "yours."
And you'd think after being a member since 09, you would read first...
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Will Samsung release an ICS update For us

No
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What about a "leak"

No...lol
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aly_hosny said:
What about a "leak"
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You can't have ice cream until you're done eating yogurt. When you're full, you can have gingerbread. After gingerbread, you can trade it in for a Captivate and put ice cream on it.

Or just buy a phone that is actually supported by samy... Us Infusers are just going to be perpetually left out of the freezer... No sammiches for us

problem around here is the developers never wanted to work with what we have. froyo alone has a ton of potential left in it but with Sammy dangling gb in our faces the devs that made the infuse what it is just got to a point that it was a waiting game and they got tired of waiting. I think the best plan is to work with what we have and make the most out of it. stop jerking around wanting what's not there and just make the most of what is there. froyo on the galaxy s was miles beyond the infuse to the point I was uneasy about upgrading to gb on my cappy.
infuse owners have to realize the infuse has an expiration date. next time get an international flasgship or something closely related to it, that or a nexus where you will have updates for several years coming.

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Dani897 said:
problem around here is the developers never wanted to work with what we have. froyo alone has a ton of potential left in it but with Sammy dangling gb in our faces the devs that made the infuse what it is just got to a point that it was a waiting game and they got tired of waiting. I think the best plan is to work with what we have and make the most out of it. stop jerking around wanting what's not there and just make the most of what is there. froyo on the galaxy s was miles beyond the infuse to the point I was uneasy about upgrading to gb on my cappy.
infuse owners have to realize the infuse has an expiration date. next time get an international flasgship or something closely related to it, that or a nexus where you will have updates for several years coming.
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Hey, everyone, I just thought I'd help translate some jargon for the n00bz ... It'd look amateur without it, like a map without a color key, you know?
around here: xda-developers.com, one website and, really, only a little section of it.
froyo: three versions ago in the operating system of topic
jerking around wanting what's not there: asking for current software (...the nerve!!)
sammy: Samsung Electronics Co., or its $220bn parent company Samsung Group (total 2010 revenue)
dangling gb: Samsung's apparent plans to produce, release, and support Android v.2.3, Gingerbread ("gb")
cappy: Samsung Captivate, released July 2010 in U.S.
"froyo ... miles beyond the infuse" : Unintelligible
Okay, I hope I did a good job. Now, if the n00bz keep asking questions, we can do them the service of making our language transparent! Why they won't just get it is astounding... I mean, who would ask questions about new software, anyway?? Just blows my mind... and who could make the mistake of thinking there might be a straight answer about something promising, that is, the new practical features of Ice Cream Sandwich (Android v.4) on a forum dweller's tongue is just plain offensive! Enduring such ignorance is hard, but I suppose it's a must. Live & let live... keep up the tolerance, fellow Infusers.

point taken I guess. what is annoying is the xda moderators have 2 search engines. on is xda wide Google assisted and the other is forum/thread based, not only that but when you create a new thread it suggests threads on similar topics you should read before posting the thread right in your face. yet this will not be the last ics request or "is it available" thread... but I wasn't gonna go there.
as far as ics. it needs a really talented dev to find ways to interface the proprietary stuff from gb to ics. even if we got a bootable version it would possibly be months before it was usable as more than a music player. the galaxy s is very lucky to have a number of talented devs and a closer relationship to the nexus s. even though the rom end could be taken from the galaxy s the kernel would be a big undertaking due to different GPS, Bluetooth, radio, screen, and other componants.

Hm .. lots to think about, there .
Holding these abandoned devices in your hand makes you pine daily for updates on developers' progress toward what would appear to be inevitable. If it isn't, it is a commercial atrocity
By "interface," there, do you mean device emulation or rewritten device drivers? i'm attempting to assess the nature of the challenge, less so its magnitude. i do appreciate both this and the frustration with lazy users.
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physivic said:
Hm .. lots to think about, there .
Holding these abandoned devices in your hand makes you pine daily for updates on developers' progress toward what would appear to be inevitable. If it isn't, it is a commercial atrocity
By "interface," there, do you mean device emulation or rewritten device drivers? i'm attempting to assess the nature of the challenge, less so its magnitude. i do appreciate both this and the frustration with lazy users.
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it could be emulation or I guess some kind of wrapper. like how Linux can use windows wifi drivers on a PC. driver rewrites need source code and/or documentation I would think.
I don't know the technical details but I know entropy has brought up things that have changed that may be hard to port. maybe if the cm9 team actually had an infuse. they have some real talent but the problem is getting it in the hands of an interested member of the team.
we lucked out with Linux bozo but I don't think its typical for a device to get a cm port without the cm team having involvement if the kernel is unique. on many older HTC phones kernels are somewhat cross compatible so those phones are a little more able to share development.

who releases kernels
! Who is responsible for developing/releasing kernels ???

For ics, no one
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jimjcollins said:
For ifs, no one
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If someone could come to us, then it would be great. I was thinking maybe we could get DA_G to come over, except idk if he would want to deal with such hard hardware. And to people saying cm9, we do not necissarily need that. Any kind of aosp would be nice.

Ryanscool said:
If someone could come to us, then it would be great. I was thinking maybe we could get DA_G to come over, except idk if he would want to deal with such hard hardware. And to people saying cm9, we do not necissarily need that. Any kind of aosp would be nice.
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I know but come on really, I mess around with what others build and I have also have a sky, I don't submit my stuff because frankly half the time it sucks, and I don't have the time to mess with bugs, I've been building rom since windows 5.1 and I can tell you that ics would suck on this phone, not enough ram, yes you can do it but, it would suck
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Zeus 6 with ics revamped theme, or are you looking for legit ics?
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jimjcollins said:
I know but come on really, I mess around with what others build and I have also have a sky, I don't submit my stuff because frankly half the time it sucks, and I don't have the time to mess with bugs, I've been building rom since windows 5.1 and I can tell you that ics would suck on this phone, not enough ram, yes you can do it but, it would suck
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432100 proof it can be done... and it looks nice haha.

I know it can, but it seems pointless, but I guess we are here to test, so I was wrong in my comment
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Requesting binary ics drivers from nvidia

Hey guys as many of us are aware, us relying on carriers and handset manufacturers to release os updates is almost pointless. There are many other devices that are ics capable yet won't be upgraded do to carriers and phone manufacturers. What the sgs2 community did was request drivers from qualcomm and they provided. I think with enough community support nvidia will as well. We are one driver away from complete ics goodness, no more crashes or bugs. I searched Google and saw that this community has already contacted nvidia here: http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/1726/tegra-2-source-code/p1 and here: http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/comment/3236?Sort=popular
So let's group together and work as a team to convince nvidia they will be doing a great service to our community, it will only strengthen their presence in the android community by doing so.
Any developers here have suggestions on persuading nvidia to support us and have them notice us? I think their dev forum is a good start, also social media may help. I wonder how many g2x owners are still out there?
lets make our voices heard and finish what we started.

Ya we tried, search around.
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mt3g said:
Ya we tried, search around.
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Exactly which means we need to keep trying
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It does not hurt to try, plus it's free.

Have at it
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mt3g said:
Have at it
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NVIDIA doesn't give a damn.

I tried, but I don't think Nvidia will really care.
Their revunue in 2010 is like 3.2billion..
I don't think our million $ of phone on XDA even matter to nVidia.

Nvidia doesnt give a ****... they never release binaries for their video cards or other hardware either regardless of countless requests...

Nvidia I think wont waste their tine on phones. they have graphic cards for pcs
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JHaste said:
Nvidia doesnt give a ****... they never release binaries for their video cards or other hardware either regardless of countless requests...
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Hey, watch the language please. Kids use these forums too.

Mr. Apocalypse said:
Hey, watch the language please. Kids use these forums too.
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yea and they are usually the ones that "brick" their phones and play ten thousand questions trying to fix it because they cant follow a simple guide... or make a thread when there are three threads on the same page addressing the same thing
I kept it PG13 anyway

Mr. Apocalypse said:
Hey, watch the language please. Kids use these forums too.
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You say that while your avatar is flipping us off!
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aloxotls said:
You say that while your avatar is flipping us off!
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Lol didn't even realize that.
Anyways I tried as well way back when asking for drivers for the gTablet as well, Nvidia doesn't care. Hence why I'm going Samsung for phones, and ATI/AMD for graphics on the PC next time.
---------- Post added at 04:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:06 AM ----------
Quick edit, did anyone else notice the guy saying that Nvidia is trying to release the binaries for Tegra 2 Dual Cores in 2012? He posted this in November 2011:
Hello Android Development Community
We appreciate all the interest and passion surrounding the NVIDIA Tegra Platform and we take our support for the development community seriously. NVIDIA has been working with Google and Motorola to provide the open source community with the required drivers and other binary code to build full Android OS images for the Tegra 2 powered "Motorola Xoom". We expect Google to make those components available as part of the Android Open Source Project soon.
In addition, NVIDIA is working on a full release of Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) for our Tegra 2 Dual Core and Tegra 3 Quad Core reference devices to be made available early next year. This release package will comprise of binary code, drivers developed on our reference platforms and any patches necessary to ensure stability & performance with ICS. We hope the open source community can leverage this release for their work on all Tegra devices.
Andrew Edelsten
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But I'm a little confused, why, then, is everyone worried about receiving these binaries? Or am I not reading this correctly?
Sorry for my ignorance, I do not know much about the driver development with regards to linux/android/ICS, going to google this a bit now.

aloxotls said:
You say that while your avatar is flipping us off!
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That's all right tho, he's flipping you off in a friendly manner
Mr. Apocalypse == very, very, nice & friendly guy

Mr. Apocalypse said:
That's all right tho, he's flipping you off in a friendly manner
Mr. Apocalypse == very, very, nice & friendly guy
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Only in public, he'll curse you a storm in pm's lol.
Just kidding he really is nice .

Core Memory said:
NVIDIA doesn't give a damn.
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I agree... I'm not gonna stop him from wasting his time tough, especially if he is going to annoy a company I'm a little upset with lol.

mt3g said:
I agree... I'm not gonna stop him from wasting his time tough, especially if he is going to annoy a company I'm a little upset with lol.
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The same issue has been beaten to death on XDA and elsewhere. I am pissed-off that those who newly raise this issue haven't done their homework, they just ignorantly post what has already been dealt with and are using up/wasting bandwidth and storage. The same for others who ask without researching/looking first to determine if the answer to their question exists before they ask. I've stopped answering questions which have been answered many times already. That may be perceived by some as arrogant/harsh/mean/etc. but that's OK, they can keep answering the same questions over and over and over and over and over... again.

Core Memory said:
The same issue has been beaten to death on XDA and elsewhere. I am pissed-off that those who newly raise this issue haven't done their homework, they just ignorantly post what has already been dealt with and are using up/wasting bandwidth and storage. The same for others who ask without researching/looking first to determine if the answer to their question exists before they ask. I've stopped answering questions which have been answered many times already. That may be perceived by some as arrogant/harsh/mean/etc. but that's OK, they can keep answering the same questions over and over and over and over and over... again.
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this sounds like a rant that i approve of!

JHaste said:
this sounds like a rant that i approve of!
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I've made many post about this that I wish mods would step in and just conjoin all the "ics" and "f u LG" threads all into one 2000 post thread, the mods barely do anything here.
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mt3g said:
I've made many post about this that I wish mods would step in and just conjoin all the "ics" and "f u LG" threads all into one 2000 post thread, the mods barely do anything here.
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Yes sir, that's why we vote you to be mod haha.

The Dude Thread. For dudes and dude-like humor.

Enjoy, everyone! This is meant to be a free-for-all of awesomeness.

estallings15 said:
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
Let the flaming commence!
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Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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No flame wars and thread will stay open .
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I know you devs, & also the ones that port the roms work hard, & do your best to provide stable roms for all to enjoy. You do it basically for free and I would hope people like me, that use them, would simply say thank you. I will be honest, & let you all know that I am currently laid off from my job, and I can barely provide for my wife & son, therefore I have not been able to donate any money to help keep yalls moral up, but I hope that in the near future I can. But at the very least, I can say thank you for all you do. I have fun reading & learning from u guys, & as far as the people that complain...I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you, because there are A LOT more satisfied people than there are complaints!
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estallings15 said:
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
Let the flaming commence!
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Amen

Ahhhh! The joys of life
We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free

trofmoc said:
We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free
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Agreed. Constructive critism should always be welcome. The key word, though, is contsructive.
Thank you for you input.

invasion2 said:
Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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tristan6100 said:
YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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invasion2 said:
Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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invasion2 said:
Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.

True dat

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invasion2 said:
Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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I totally feel you man I'm 15 and am on the drumline. But I spend all my free time on here always learning something new. Thanks for the input and inspiration.
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Resurrected!

saranhai said:
but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.
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oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.

NeuroticallyYou said:
oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.
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Wow. Well, people are a little nicer around here, and you can always PM someone. But, like you said, if you learn on your own it's even better.

I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
Teach yourself and get advice is the best way.
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sckboy78 said:
I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
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I did that the other day. My wife keeps the extra rolls in the hallway, so I had to do the ****e shuffle out to the hallway cabinet. Suuuucks.

Discussion by Newbs for Newbs. SGS4g Only.

Ok guys So you own a SGS4g now what? Well lets just air out a few thing that get Devs absolutely fired up.
1) Requesting ROM features.
2) Ordering them to do something.
3) Repeatedly asking the same question.
4) Demanding
5) Complaining
6) Asking for a ETA on Alphas
7) Harassing
8) Threatening
I could keep going on about what makes them mad but there is already a thread about that. This thread is to Distract Noobs away from bugging the Devs by discussing ROMS with each other and answering each others questions that would normally bug Devs. Yes Devs are welcome here, but mainly this is thread to prevent Noobs from pestering the Devs about things that can be answered by other Noobs (or Google). Noobs feel free to ask, discuss, and converse away. Just remember flaming is bad so just don't do it. If you honestly don't understand the difference between positive criticism and negative then just don't criticise anyone. Better yet lets keep negativity to ourselves.
Lets get a few Questions out of the way.
Q) Does the SGS4g have an ICS ROM yet.
A) Yes There are several
Q) Who's fault is it if I brick my SGS4g?
A) YOURS, Obviously you failed to follow instructions.
Q) What's the difference between a soft brick and a hard brick.
A) One is ceramic and one is foam!! JK

DEFINITIONS you need know as a NOOB
NOOB A person only intent in serving on their own self interest.
Newb Person new to XDA
Member A person who has joined XDA
Dev Developer
RD recognised developer
MOD Modification/Moderator
ROM Read only memory
WIP work in progress
CWM Clock work mod recovery

Lol awesome and no offense but 8 threatening is worse than 1 lol just saying I'd rather have people request features than threatening me haha

erikmm said:
Lol awesome and no offense but 8 threatening is worse than 1 lol just saying I'd rather have people request features than threatening me haha
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True Enough LOL, Now only if people would use this thread. There Is something disturbing about a forum By noobs for noobs and first comment is from a DEV Oh well we will see if it works.

Who posted before me? I see no devs here lol just a couple of senior members

erikmm said:
Who posted before me? I see no devs here lol just a couple of senior members
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Fare Enough Lol.

Not a noob but... ICS for the 4g? OTA? Or a mod / port?
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Port. I wouldn't hold my breathe for Samsung to release it.

gabrielshaste said:
Not a noob but... ICS for the 4g? OTA? Or a mod / port?
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Of course it will be a port dude ^^ and be patient and enjoy GB roms as I know team acid and kickass are doing perfect jobs on more even bigger things for us <3
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on OTA ICS well google, all the electronics companies, and the air carriers made an 18 month agreement to upgrade all devices made in the last 18 months that can be upgraded. As to whether or not they abide by the agreement is up in the air. We have to wait until they are ready to update our phone, aka when S2 sales fall, before we see an upgrade. Its all about keeping us from buying a competitors phone.
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bot42 said:
on OTA ICS well google, all the electronics companies, and the air carriers made an 18 month agreement to upgrade all devices made in the last 18 months that can be upgraded. As to whether or not they abide by the agreement is up in the air. We have to wait until they are ready to update our phone, aka when S2 sales fall, before we see an upgrade. Its all about keeping us from buying a competitors phone.
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Motorola got around that by stating certain devices will not operate any better on ICS than GB. There is many ways to get around that agreement. If there wasnt none of them would have agreed to it.

Alright I'm starting to get weirded out by the misspelling in the thread title. OP, I'll hit the thanks button if you fix it.

FBis251 said:
Alright I'm starting to get weirded out by the misspelling in the thread title. OP, I'll hit the thanks button if you fix it.
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Nice catch FB.
(off topic) I've been on IRC on and off all week and haven't found you FB lol.

FBis251 said:
Alright I'm starting to get weirded out by the misspelling in the thread title. OP, I'll hit the thanks button if you fix it.
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I was going to say, it's kind of funny a guy starting a thread for "noobs" and he can't even spell discussion. Lol.
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There you go thanks. I tend to be a little sleep deprived when I can get a chance to steal the computer away from the kids.

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Motorola got around that by stating certain devices will not operate any better on ICS than GB. There is many ways to get around that agreement. If there wasn't none of them would have agreed to it.
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True but it's all about sales, if they feel that upgrading your phone will prevent you from buying the competitor, especially if the competitor releases a phone that is cheaper then their current market topper. It only makes perfect business sense if you can't sell them something new, prevent them from buying from someone else. If you have noticed that's why updates tend to always be released/leaked around the same time as a new competitors phone is released.

I would like to apologize to Lumin and fb I made and guide that was based off incorrect info, they stuck by there guns in correcting me. I was wrong as happens sometimes. The guide should be removed soon.
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No need to apologize. Just glad you finally listened

I am not about to let someone brick their phone. Just because I was stubborn.
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For those now on ICS
I have found an awesome new version of the XDA app, no I didn't develop it I found it.
It is an ICS themed blue XDA Developers APK Developed by Whiskey103.
It is the free version but if you are OCD and love colors to match then here you go.
Click here:laugh: