Can anyone please explain the choppiness effect we have on the Sensation cameras (stock and modded)?
While recording the video it's not fluid at all, but the recorded material seems allright.
Just start up camera app on a Sensation vs Galaxy S2 (or even S1, LG Optimus, etc.) and pan around without recording...you'll see what i mean.
You don't have to be in video shooting mode, photo mode has the same behavior.
Once the issue is pinned down, any chance to get it fixed?
Thanks!
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I don't have this issue. I used to, and then when I changed roms (played around testing other roms like InsertCoin/Bulletproof) the camera worked GREAT recording 1080p. I used to have that really bad choppiness effect.. couldn't even record in 1080p. Try a 3.5 rom, the camera is 100x better in sense 3.5 and EVEN better with amaze camera
KAwAtA said:
I don't have this issue. I used to, and then when I changed roms (played around testing other roms like InsertCoin/Bulletproof) the camera worked GREAT recording 1080p. I used to have that really bad choppiness effect.. couldn't even record in 1080p. Try a 3.5 rom, the camera is 100x better in sense 3.5 and EVEN better with amaze camera
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i am running a custom rom based on Sense 3.5 leaked....in fact Insertcoin 3.3.2 with Amaze camera....
but that's not the issue...it is why the recorded video plays back perfectly smooth, but when recording it it looks choppy?!
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i am running a custom rom based on Sense 3.5 leaked....in fact Insertcoin 3.3.2 with Amaze camera....
but that's not the issue...it is why the recorded video plays back perfectly smooth, but when recording it it looks choppy?!
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That makes sense, though. When you are recording a video you are actually saving the information to the SDcard then immediately playing it back as well. Lots of processing power and lots of disk i/o at once.
It isn't quite as much when it is just playing 1080p video.
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Here is my sample .. I experience the Same Choppiness especially when you are moving the camera .. its not much when the camera is still...
My ROM is Stock Sense 3.5 by Eddy
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http://youtu.be/BU25BxI2I4E
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http://youtu.be/4etyIYumhaU
So i was wondering if someone can tell me how much is the picture quality difference between cm9 camera and the stock sense 4 camera. Can you improve cm9 camera further somehow?
Only thing stopping me to use cm9/aokp/paranoid is camera. Would like your review.
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So i was wondering if someone can tell me how much is the picture quality difference between cm9 camera and the stock sense 4 camera. Can you improve cm9 camera further somehow?
Only thing stopping me to use cm9/aokp/paranoid is camera. Would like your review.
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It's really all preference, I mean yes sense camera is better, but your best bet wod be to backup current rom and give one a try to see for yourself.
We could give you opinions all day, but until you try it for yourself you will never truly know.
Plus the benefits of aosp roms outweigh the camera for most.
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Camera is a pretty big deal for me. Of the AOSP based ROMs, I only tried AOKP, and only for a short time. But from my experience, the picture quality itself is actually not that different, if at all. For picture quality, the software doesn't make as much difference as the sensor and the optics, which of course is all there in CM9 as well as Sense.
What is different/lacking, is that the autofocus takes longer on AOSP (and the near zero "shutter lag" on this phone is to me one of the best features). Plus, the interface on the Sense camera is far superior IMO (more functional layout). Also, I believe AOSP does not have a widescreen mode that takes a picture that fills the whole screen (at full resolution). One of the modes has an aspect ratio that fills the screen, but I think at a lower resolution.
Also, related to camera, the camcorder is still pretty much busted (gives garbled output almost half the time). If you use the camcorder and significant amount, this is pretty much a deal breaker. But hopefully that will get sorted out soon, now that kernel source is released.
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Camera is a pretty big deal for me. Of the AOSP based ROMs, I only tried AOKP, and only for a short time. But from my experience, the picture quality itself is actually not that different, if at all. For picture quality, the software doesn't make as much difference as the sensor and the optics, which of course is all there in CM9 as well as Sense.
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This is incorrect. The sensor and optics only record light intensity. How that gets converted into color is a combination of hardware encoded algorithms and software code. This is one of the reasons Nikon cameras running on Sony sensors practically always produce truer colors and lower noise signals that Sony cameras using the very same sensor. There are numerous examples of this, but Google ot
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This is incorrect. The sensor and optics only record light intensity. How that gets converted into color is a combination of hardware encoded algorithms and software code. This is one of the reasons Nikon cameras running on Sony sensors practically always produce truer colors and lower noise signals that Sony cameras using the very same sensor. There are numerous examples of this, but Google ot
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Thanks for the more technical point of view. At least as far as CM/AOSP based ROMs versus Sense, or versus 3rd party photo apps (which people often claim as "better" pic quality), I've never seen much of a difference in resulting picture quality for the 2 Android phones I've owned. Possibly the hardware coded algorithms you mention play a big role regardless of what is on the software side? Also, while I can believe that software plays some role, I still don't believe that optics are not also important. The quality of the optics (lens) obviously plays a big role on any camera. Given, the lens is tiny on a camera phone, but it still must play a major role.
Related to the quality difference between the two cameras: the main thing I noticed that bugs me the most is that the Sense camera uses the full screen for the photo aspect ratio while the AOSP camera cuts off about 1/4 of the frame with it's giant gray button area.
The full screen camera just felt really good, and then looking though the photos I took they would all perfectly fit the screen.
I can't say I really understand this choice by Google. Does anyone know of a way to force a different aspect ratio? Or perhaps recommend a camera app that will fill the screen?
Does anyone else feel this way or have an argument in favor of the AOSP camera?
Okay I had to go though this for an event and wanted the best picture quality I had to flash 4.5clean +HQ mod. vs cm9 with the best setting and ICS+ below is the comparison.
CM9 1st then 4.5 CleanROm
How ever I use cm9 as my DD and cleanrom if I need o use the Cam
The sensor for the camera in the HoX has. 4:3 aspect ratio. So the pictures that cm9 takes actually use the whole sensor. The sense rooms actually take the 4:3 aspect and cut off the top and bottom to make it 16:9 and then it appears full screen. Cm9 actually gives you a picture with "more detail" in it.
As for the HQ mod for sense cameras, it increases your video quality but decreases still cam, so if you want the best sense cam, don't use HQ.
As for straight quality, they are basically the same. HTC just applies a couple more adjustments to the pic than cm9, but I would rather have the original pic and edit it myself cause I can do better than what HTC auto adjusts
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The sensor for the camera in the HoX has. 4:3 aspect ratio. So the pictures that cm9 takes actually use the whole sensor. The sense rooms actually take the 4:3 aspect and cut off the top and bottom to make it 16:9 and then it appears full screen. Cm9 actually gives you a picture with "more detail" in it.
As for the HQ mod for sense cameras, it increases your video quality but decreases still cam, so if you want the best sense cam, don't use HQ.
As for straight quality, they are basically the same. HTC just applies a couple more adjustments to the pic than cm9, but I would rather have the original pic and edit it myself cause I can do better than what HTC auto adjusts
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The 4.5 cam is posted in the apps forum. Significant improvement over both 4.0 stock and HQ
So, after much internal debate, I went back to Gingerbread for the old camera and stability.
My goodness I forgot how good we had it! With all the "auto" stuff and "widescreen" ticked off, this camera takes a ridiculously good picture. I tested it out at this particularly dark room on the house, and the picture turned out perfect. I forgot how great our camera was.
To anyone on ICS, do you ever miss the old camera?
Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Isn't that what makes nandroids and having S-Off SO wonderful?
I hear this a lot but I have to say something. It's the same physical camera so this is a software issue. Try this on ICS: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id= com.moblynx.cameraicsplus or this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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Hey, no problem! It's an oldie but goodie I'd recommend using Macro for the focus setting. Seems to work more like stock auto focus that way for some strange reason. Otherwise, everything else is pretty self explanatory. Lots of filters and editors to play with! Enjoy!
So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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I have to agree. I've taken comparison pics (done at the same time of the same subject) with my MT4GS on stock-based ROM (Miktouch) and CM9.1r5 (thank you nandroid backup!), an iPhone 4S, and a Droid RAZR. Loading the photos on a computer and viewing on a high-res monitor it is obvious that the MT4GS on the stock ROM is superior in every way. Why T-Mobile/HTC didn't market this phone better, I don't know.
+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
I'm sure I could get a DSLR that would blow away the doubleshot - and i'm equally sure it won't fit in my pocket and in turn rarely be with me.
I am a man of many pockets, a typical comment to me would be 'jeez, you have enough pockets?' ... and my answer is always no, because there is always something I had to leave behind.
I would never give pocket space for a standalone point and shoot when I could take the DS instead and also be able to turn the pictures into a photo montage, edit them in other ways, zip them all up, throw them in my dropbox and have them backed up to a multitude of physical machines scattered around the USA, then email them to someone...et all, the point and shoot dies on the drawing board when put against that.
Camera is now a primary use of the device for me, and i'm just blown away by how well HTC got it right.
I'd also be interested in seeing some of those pics from the xperia pro, is that a camera or a phone? Doubtless there are devices out there that will outdo the doubleshot, especially at a year old, but i'd be curious to know which.
One thing that gives a leg up on a lot out there, optical zoom. S3 has none, so that in itself is a huge asset in favor of the doubleshot.
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+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
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Again on the low level shots, definite agreement here.
Our flash is limited in power and when you can use it in the kernel at least, not sure of any other limiters (within the camera app itself, et al ) but they may yet be there. Anyone else got any info on it they want to drop here? I'll see if I can dredge up everywhere I found camera stuff in kernel code.
This seems a good place to drop misc. camera tidbits as I come to them, good title and start.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
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The size of the sensor is indeed a big part of the picture (pun intended). However, the sensor in our phone is a 8MP 1/3.2" with 1.4µm backside illumination. That bests nearly every other phone on the market and some cheap point & shoot cameras. Of course, the sensor in a DSLR is far larger, so you get much more detail.
The low-light capability for our phone is due to the backside-illumination sensor (for background info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-illuminated_sensor). Ours was the first phone in the US to incorporate such a sensor, later to be followed by the iPhone 4S. The iPhone, of course, got huge media attention for the camera, but our phone which had the exact same sensor and came out much earlier and had far better software to run it, got little attention.
I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
Back to the point though, I was blown away when I first used the camera on the stock rom. I use this phone heavily for it's sick camera and the keyboard, which kept me on stock for a short bit and then bulletproof until May. That's when ICS was far enough along for me that I gave Virtuous Inquisition a shot since it retained the sense camera but removed most other sense components. I recall being slightly disappointed in a few minor changes/things at first by the sensation camera software, but having used the camera on CM9 and its derivatives I find that there really is no comparison in the quality that HTC brought to the table with theirs. You could get a comparable picture I'm sure, but the usability is night and day for me. As far as alternative apps, I've messed around with Camera Zoom FX pro a bit and I'd say it is almost as good as the stock ds and sensation offerings but not quite there. It does well for me when I decide to run CM or paranoid android on bootmanager.
Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
If anyone is interested in pictures I can dig through my archives and put some examples up.
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
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Thank you. I believe I have one with the Sony sensor, as well. I will look for the HQ package. The camera issue is one of the main things that keeps me coming back to Miktouch. Man, I wish HTC would just do the right thing and produce an ICS or JB for this phone.
EDIT: Ah, I see the HQ packages are only for Sense 3.6 or Sense4 ROMs. I've given up on those for now, just too many annoying quirks for my use.
Ok just came back from vacation will do a shootout later and Xperia Pro is a phone made by sony.
With regards to low light pictures it boasts it's own exmor R sensor which was made by sony specifically for low light capturing.
Here's a quick info of what it is.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html
And here's Xperia Pro
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php
I would like to know why does the Sense based camera do such a much better work whe it comes to focusing, or actually the whole quality of the image. Why? I get so much more detail and a better focus on the sense camera. That's the only reason at all I stay with sense roms, because of the camera. It also has better stock effects, while the AOSP camera comes with some ugly ones like sepia aqua like yeah there are some cool ones depending on which type of photo you're trying to take but the sense camera comes with the country effect which just takes amazing quality photos on the effect.
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I would like to know why does the Sense based camera do such a much better work whe it comes to focusing, or actually the whole quality of the image. Why? I get so much more detail and a better focus on the sense camera. That's the only reason at all I stay with sense roms, because of the camera. It also has better stock effects, while the AOSP camera comes with some ugly ones like sepia aqua like yeah there are some cool ones depending on which type of photo you're trying to take but the sense camera comes with the country effect which just takes amazing quality photos on the effect.
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Sense includes software tweaks? I don't notice very much of a difference myself *shrug*
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Sense includes software tweaks? I don't notice very much of a difference myself *shrug*
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Yeah, the only real difference I notice is slightly faster focus and (obviously) the near ZSL
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Yeah, the only real difference I notice is slightly faster focus and (obviously) the near ZSL
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Well yeah it actually is just a little difference but when it come to the country effect it's just astonishing the pics I can take with it. When I take a picture on the country effect it looks like they've been taken from a DSLR camera. Is there any way that effect can be ported to AOSP ?
Hi I need some help, is it just me or the sense roms camera app shots better pictures? What I mean its that the quality of the pictures is better than the aosp roms. what do you guys think?
Its totally subjective, of course. But you asked . . . I think you are wrong. There was a thread comparing the Sense camera versus AOSP a while back, with some pics posted by myself and others. The short story is that there isn't much difference, and in fact some thought the pics taken on the AOSP camera were better.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32953601
Given, this was back on ICS. The camera app has been updated on both Sense and AOSP builds since then. But nothing too drastic, IMO.
The layout and functionality of the Sense camera is superior, IMO. And that is one of the reasons I prefer Sense ROMs. But the actual difference in photo quality is negligible (possibly slightly better on AOSP). But of course, its completely subjective.
I find that the AOSP camera takes better pics at ISO 400. It takes a lot of the grain out, But both are close in quality.
The one problem with the AOSP cam over Sense cam is that AOSP cant take pics in 16:9. Or, at least I haven't found a solution to do so.
Something I've noticed is that the aosp camera seems a lot better balanced. It's better at taking indoor photos, and better at taking photos on a sunny day. Sense is much better at outdoor photos in low light though.
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