I would like to know why does the Sense based camera do such a much better work whe it comes to focusing, or actually the whole quality of the image. Why? I get so much more detail and a better focus on the sense camera. That's the only reason at all I stay with sense roms, because of the camera. It also has better stock effects, while the AOSP camera comes with some ugly ones like sepia aqua like yeah there are some cool ones depending on which type of photo you're trying to take but the sense camera comes with the country effect which just takes amazing quality photos on the effect.
Jimmyriel said:
I would like to know why does the Sense based camera do such a much better work whe it comes to focusing, or actually the whole quality of the image. Why? I get so much more detail and a better focus on the sense camera. That's the only reason at all I stay with sense roms, because of the camera. It also has better stock effects, while the AOSP camera comes with some ugly ones like sepia aqua like yeah there are some cool ones depending on which type of photo you're trying to take but the sense camera comes with the country effect which just takes amazing quality photos on the effect.
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Sense includes software tweaks? I don't notice very much of a difference myself *shrug*
exad said:
Sense includes software tweaks? I don't notice very much of a difference myself *shrug*
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Yeah, the only real difference I notice is slightly faster focus and (obviously) the near ZSL
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Yeah, the only real difference I notice is slightly faster focus and (obviously) the near ZSL
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Well yeah it actually is just a little difference but when it come to the country effect it's just astonishing the pics I can take with it. When I take a picture on the country effect it looks like they've been taken from a DSLR camera. Is there any way that effect can be ported to AOSP ?
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I was just wondering if there were any hacks that can be done to the camera. Like speed and quality. The camera doesnt seem like it put out '5mp' quality images.
mroneeyedboh said:
I was just wondering if there were any hacks that can be done to the camera. Like speed and quality. The camera doesnt seem like it put out '5mp' quality images.
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You can change the quality via settings...
what hes asking is if you can change the shutter speed, not the image quality settings.
mroneeyedboh said:
I was just wondering if there were any hacks that can be done to the camera. Like speed and quality. The camera doesnt seem like it put out '5mp' quality images.
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try to understand that its not a camera but a phone, the camera is a 5mp sensor but the quality of the sensor and the rest of the optics are not going to be on par with a 5mp point n shoot dedicated camera. software tweaks will only do so much given what they have to work with. you can get pleasing snap shots in good lighting conditions when you're without a proper camera.
some phones will focus(no pun intended) on the camera feature(of the PHONE) and you will get better images. for example my nokia n95 takes much better photos than my hero, and the new experia x10 supposedly has a really good camera(for a PHONE) although i haven't used it first hand im told it can almost replace your point n shoot cam.
so in short you should lower your expectations a notch or two.
Like the above poster said, I mean you've got plastic optics and a fixed focal point--you aren't going to be taking awesome pictures.
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Like the above poster said, I mean you've got plastic optics and a fixed focal point--you aren't going to be taking awesome pictures.
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Wait..what? I have been waiting for HTC to release a 70mm-300mm zoom lens with image stabilization for the Hero.. Are you saying that I will have to wait forever?
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Wait..what? I have been waiting for HTC to release a 70mm-300mm zoom lens with image stabilization for the Hero.. Are you saying that I will have to wait forever?
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its coming with the 2.1 update.
I only wish the shutter speed was a little faster, but this goes for ALL phone cams. You can never get a steady picture if you have shaky hands or are trying to snap a shot of a 2 year old.
bring the came close to your body and slowly exhale when taking your photo. try stabilize yourself better. the shutter speed is pretty slow cause the sensor is not all that sensitive so more light exposure is needed.
as for getting kids to stay still, good luck.
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I only wish the shutter speed was a little faster, but this goes for ALL phone cams. You can never get a steady picture if you have shaky hands or are trying to snap a shot of a 2 year old.
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Try ISO 400 or 800, you'll get more image noise but you should get better results with fast moving targets....3 and 6 year old, here
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ASULutzy said:
Like the above poster said, I mean you've got plastic optics and a fixed focal point--you aren't going to be taking awesome pictures.
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Wouldn't the fact that it has autofocus infer that it is not a fixed focal length? There is a mechanical autofocus lens in the camera. Still not as good as any real camera, but it is the best phone camera I have ever had.
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hahaha, I wasnt looking for photography quality. 'but I see now what your saying about its a sensor and what it has to work with isnt great. Thats all I wanted to hear. I know its not guru style ish, just a camera phone. Just looking to see if there was anything you could do to it, but guess not. Thanks.
Are there any mods/apps/tweaks that make the Nexus S take better photos/videos?
I mean the hardware is something you guys can't control, but what about the software side, have any improvements been done there?
Thanks.
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Are there any mods/apps/tweaks that make the Nexus S take better photos/videos?
I mean the hardware is something you guys can't control, but what about the software side, have any improvements been done there?
Thanks.
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What kind of improvements are you looking for? The actual quality of the pics, or the UI on the camera?
I've got three different camera apps on my phone (stock, Camera360 pro, Vignette pro), they each have their strengths, but in the end, the camera lens and sensors are what will matter in terms of how good a picture can look.
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What kind of improvements are you looking for? The actual quality of the pics, or the UI on the camera?
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Def not the UI; I meant the image quality.
From what I understood, iPhone 4's images undergo a few post-processing effects that improve the final result... (which is kinda weird since I thought any post-processing effects make the quality worse)
Are there any apps that control the flash intensity? I find the Nexus S' flash to be so strong, it whitens out so many pictures in the dark.
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Def not the UI; I meant the image quality.
From what I understood, iPhone 4's images undergo a few post-processing effects that improve the final result... (which is kinda weird since I thought any post-processing effects make the quality worse)
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I mentioned the other camera apps I use because I believe they have options for doing some processing on the pics...they both have free versions and might offer some improvement.
Personally, I'd just rather tweak my pics myself with an app or on the computer. I thought the iPhone only did the processing when you selected the HDR feature on the camera, which I have to admit, makes some really good pictures.
So i was wondering if someone can tell me how much is the picture quality difference between cm9 camera and the stock sense 4 camera. Can you improve cm9 camera further somehow?
Only thing stopping me to use cm9/aokp/paranoid is camera. Would like your review.
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jags_the1 said:
So i was wondering if someone can tell me how much is the picture quality difference between cm9 camera and the stock sense 4 camera. Can you improve cm9 camera further somehow?
Only thing stopping me to use cm9/aokp/paranoid is camera. Would like your review.
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It's really all preference, I mean yes sense camera is better, but your best bet wod be to backup current rom and give one a try to see for yourself.
We could give you opinions all day, but until you try it for yourself you will never truly know.
Plus the benefits of aosp roms outweigh the camera for most.
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Camera is a pretty big deal for me. Of the AOSP based ROMs, I only tried AOKP, and only for a short time. But from my experience, the picture quality itself is actually not that different, if at all. For picture quality, the software doesn't make as much difference as the sensor and the optics, which of course is all there in CM9 as well as Sense.
What is different/lacking, is that the autofocus takes longer on AOSP (and the near zero "shutter lag" on this phone is to me one of the best features). Plus, the interface on the Sense camera is far superior IMO (more functional layout). Also, I believe AOSP does not have a widescreen mode that takes a picture that fills the whole screen (at full resolution). One of the modes has an aspect ratio that fills the screen, but I think at a lower resolution.
Also, related to camera, the camcorder is still pretty much busted (gives garbled output almost half the time). If you use the camcorder and significant amount, this is pretty much a deal breaker. But hopefully that will get sorted out soon, now that kernel source is released.
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Camera is a pretty big deal for me. Of the AOSP based ROMs, I only tried AOKP, and only for a short time. But from my experience, the picture quality itself is actually not that different, if at all. For picture quality, the software doesn't make as much difference as the sensor and the optics, which of course is all there in CM9 as well as Sense.
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This is incorrect. The sensor and optics only record light intensity. How that gets converted into color is a combination of hardware encoded algorithms and software code. This is one of the reasons Nikon cameras running on Sony sensors practically always produce truer colors and lower noise signals that Sony cameras using the very same sensor. There are numerous examples of this, but Google ot
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This is incorrect. The sensor and optics only record light intensity. How that gets converted into color is a combination of hardware encoded algorithms and software code. This is one of the reasons Nikon cameras running on Sony sensors practically always produce truer colors and lower noise signals that Sony cameras using the very same sensor. There are numerous examples of this, but Google ot
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Thanks for the more technical point of view. At least as far as CM/AOSP based ROMs versus Sense, or versus 3rd party photo apps (which people often claim as "better" pic quality), I've never seen much of a difference in resulting picture quality for the 2 Android phones I've owned. Possibly the hardware coded algorithms you mention play a big role regardless of what is on the software side? Also, while I can believe that software plays some role, I still don't believe that optics are not also important. The quality of the optics (lens) obviously plays a big role on any camera. Given, the lens is tiny on a camera phone, but it still must play a major role.
Related to the quality difference between the two cameras: the main thing I noticed that bugs me the most is that the Sense camera uses the full screen for the photo aspect ratio while the AOSP camera cuts off about 1/4 of the frame with it's giant gray button area.
The full screen camera just felt really good, and then looking though the photos I took they would all perfectly fit the screen.
I can't say I really understand this choice by Google. Does anyone know of a way to force a different aspect ratio? Or perhaps recommend a camera app that will fill the screen?
Does anyone else feel this way or have an argument in favor of the AOSP camera?
Okay I had to go though this for an event and wanted the best picture quality I had to flash 4.5clean +HQ mod. vs cm9 with the best setting and ICS+ below is the comparison.
CM9 1st then 4.5 CleanROm
How ever I use cm9 as my DD and cleanrom if I need o use the Cam
The sensor for the camera in the HoX has. 4:3 aspect ratio. So the pictures that cm9 takes actually use the whole sensor. The sense rooms actually take the 4:3 aspect and cut off the top and bottom to make it 16:9 and then it appears full screen. Cm9 actually gives you a picture with "more detail" in it.
As for the HQ mod for sense cameras, it increases your video quality but decreases still cam, so if you want the best sense cam, don't use HQ.
As for straight quality, they are basically the same. HTC just applies a couple more adjustments to the pic than cm9, but I would rather have the original pic and edit it myself cause I can do better than what HTC auto adjusts
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The sensor for the camera in the HoX has. 4:3 aspect ratio. So the pictures that cm9 takes actually use the whole sensor. The sense rooms actually take the 4:3 aspect and cut off the top and bottom to make it 16:9 and then it appears full screen. Cm9 actually gives you a picture with "more detail" in it.
As for the HQ mod for sense cameras, it increases your video quality but decreases still cam, so if you want the best sense cam, don't use HQ.
As for straight quality, they are basically the same. HTC just applies a couple more adjustments to the pic than cm9, but I would rather have the original pic and edit it myself cause I can do better than what HTC auto adjusts
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The 4.5 cam is posted in the apps forum. Significant improvement over both 4.0 stock and HQ
It doesn't have the instant photo with no shutter lag, right? And I see from CM10 that in JB recording is only mono, and there's no HDR mode.
It takes photo's instantly, no difference than the touchwiz camera in that regard. As far as features there are a few missing, but for the most part they are all there. Me personally it takes great photos for what i do, i never bought into all of the gimmick features like best shot and HDR mode
After coming from the GNex I don't know if I want the AOSP camera is my only issue. It seems the AOSP software ruins the cameras and makes for worse photos overall.
Hi I need some help, is it just me or the sense roms camera app shots better pictures? What I mean its that the quality of the pictures is better than the aosp roms. what do you guys think?
Its totally subjective, of course. But you asked . . . I think you are wrong. There was a thread comparing the Sense camera versus AOSP a while back, with some pics posted by myself and others. The short story is that there isn't much difference, and in fact some thought the pics taken on the AOSP camera were better.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32953601
Given, this was back on ICS. The camera app has been updated on both Sense and AOSP builds since then. But nothing too drastic, IMO.
The layout and functionality of the Sense camera is superior, IMO. And that is one of the reasons I prefer Sense ROMs. But the actual difference in photo quality is negligible (possibly slightly better on AOSP). But of course, its completely subjective.
I find that the AOSP camera takes better pics at ISO 400. It takes a lot of the grain out, But both are close in quality.
The one problem with the AOSP cam over Sense cam is that AOSP cant take pics in 16:9. Or, at least I haven't found a solution to do so.
Something I've noticed is that the aosp camera seems a lot better balanced. It's better at taking indoor photos, and better at taking photos on a sunny day. Sense is much better at outdoor photos in low light though.
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