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Can sense be avoided with another launcher?

Im going to be switching to T-Mobile and the Sensation looks like the top phone at the moment. Unfortunately, sense slows this phone BIG TIME. Can i just bypass that with another launcher?

Yes, just install one from the market, push home and it will give you an option. that's just the launcher tho, not the whole system sense integration. But this phone was made for sense (interface not launcher, I personally use go launcher), I haven't noticed any lag.

r3dlined said:
Im going to be switching to T-Mobile and the Sensation looks like the top phone at the moment. Unfortunately, sense slows this phone BIG TIME. Can i just bypass that with another launcher?
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Yes and no. The problem most people have isn't with the interface but with how much resources it takes up. If you add another launcher you don't reduce the usage of sense. If you just want a different interface then yes you can drop another one on top. From my experience ADW is slow as dirt on this device so i wouldn't recommend that one but i've heard people have had success with launcher pro

For me launcher pro and adw are slow. The but go Launcher runs great. Very smooth.
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Its quite sad as the hardware is pretty solid. They killed the phone with the overhead of sense 3.0 though

Bxsteez said:
Yes and no. The problem most people have isn't with the interface but with how much resources it takes up. If you add another launcher you don't reduce the usage of sense. If you just want a different interface then yes you can drop another one on top. From my experience ADW is slow as dirt on this device so i wouldn't recommend that one but i've heard people have had success with launcher pro
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Yeah even though they are simply overlays and would only take up more resources, I tried both ADW and Launcher Pro (my usual) on my Sensation... both were ridiculously slow to the point of "Well screw this I'm sticking with Sense till they root this thing!"

themoebius said:
Yeah even though they are simply overlays and would only take up more resources, I tried both ADW and Launcher Pro (my usual) on my Sensation... both were ridiculously slow to the point of "Well screw this I'm sticking with Sense till they root this thing!"
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Im sad to hear that as this is the phone to get with T-Mobile currently. I couldn't believe how laggy it was in the store after a reset.

r3dlined said:
Im sad to hear that as this is the phone to get with T-Mobile currently. I couldn't believe how laggy it was in the store after a reset.
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Well hang on there a sec, I didn't say the phone itself was laggy... in fact quite the opposite this thing flies. It was only ADW/Launcher Pro that lagged it out. I have had NO complaints with it's snappiness at all, and I'm harsh on judging my phones! This one has given me no reason to ***** about the speed... I just prefer stock Android over Sense, which even though it has some great features, still bugs me aesthetically.
I too was worried after I played with an in-store unit and noticed it laggy, but I think that is a simple result of everyone and their mother going in there and messing with it. All I can say is don't take the in-store performance too seriously... mine has acted nothing like the store unit did.

themoebius said:
Well hang on there a sec, I didn't say the phone itself was laggy... in fact quite the opposite this thing flies. It was only ADW/Launcher Pro that lagged it out. I have had NO complaints with it's snappiness at all, and I'm harsh on judging my phones! This one has given me no reason to ***** about the speed... I just prefer stock Android over Sense, which even though it has some great features, still bugs me aesthetically.
I too was worried after I played with an in-store unit and noticed it laggy, but I think that is a simple result of everyone and their mother going in there and messing with it. All I can say is don't take the in-store performance too seriously... mine has acted nothing like the store unit did.
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Cool thanks for that. I am trying to get over sense being just too much(I have an X now) as I like more clean and mean. Yeah, pure google does lack a lot. If the galaxay II doesn't hit sensation it is.

I have been VERY happy with mine and I don't regret not waiting for the Hercules at all.

Sense is an entire UI integration made by HTC. It is not just a simple home app that you can replace (although you can replace the Sense launcher with something better like ADW). Unless you install an AOSP ROM like CyanogenMod when the phone is rooted you will NEVER be rid of Sense no matter how many bloatware apps you remove or HTC components you freeze. Period. End of story.
Is there anything about that you didn't understand?

TheBiles said:
Sense is an entire UI integration made by HTC. It is not just a simple home app that you can replace (although you can replace the Sense launcher with something better like ADW). Unless you install an AOSP ROM like CyanogenMod when the phone is rooted you will NEVER be rid of Sense no matter how many bloatware apps you remove or HTC components you freeze. Period. End of story.
Is there anything about that you didn't understand?
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Got it thanks.

I really have to laugh at those who say ADW is slow on the Sensation. Maybe you all don't know how to optimize the settings gs but you couldn't be more wrong. I have been running ADW for the past month and everything in the UI is instant and much faster than Sense. I will make a video tomorrow night so there is no issue of he said, she said. Ill just be right and you'll be wrong.
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jrwingate6 said:
I really have to laugh at those who say ADW is slow on the Sensation. Maybe you all don't know how to optimize the settings gs but you couldn't be more wrong. I have been running ADW for the past month and everything in the UI is instant and much faster than Sense. I will make a video tomorrow night so there is no issue of he said, she said. Ill just be right and you'll be wrong.
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I love to see a post with a mature, dignified, helpful approach... So, what approach were YOU going for?
Listen bud... try to imagine a world where posting unnecessary (ie completely unhelpful and rude) garbage like this does NOT in fact impress anyone. I know man... I sure wish it did too. I'm super glad that ADW runs buttery smooth for you, and had you responded with a helpful "Hey ADW runs great for me, here's how I have it configured..." I would have listened and actually could have respected you. Instead, you post trash like "I laugh at those, I'm right you're wrong" etc... As such I couldn't care less what you have to say.
Mm'kay? Thanks buddy...

Would setting Go Launcher as the default launcher, then freezing HTC Sense via Titanium Backup work or would it cause me to have to factory reset?
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sorry if this is a little off topic... but when there is a bunch of sense-free roms out... can you then just find an apk of the launcher, etc and install that to rid the rest of the bloat? as i find the menu layout of sense a little better than the menu/quick buttons of things like ADW, etc

joshndroid said:
sorry if this is a little off topic... but when there is a bunch of sense-free roms out... can you then just find an apk of the launcher, etc and install that to rid the rest of the bloat? as i find the menu layout of sense a little better than the menu/quick buttons of things like ADW, etc
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I would think you if you like sense then you wouldn't get a sense free rom. Or do you want sense on something like CM7?
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BlackElvis79 said:
Would setting Go Launcher as the default launcher, then freezing HTC Sense via Titanium Backup work or would it cause me to have to factory reset?
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I use go launcher and froze sense using viperbloat and it is works. Not sure how titanium works but you can also use viperbloat to enable sense again.
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missing2 said:
I use go launcher and froze sense using viperbloat and it is works. Not sure how titanium works but you can also use viperbloat to enable sense again.
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Were there any side affects from freezing Sense? Crashes or freezes?
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BlackElvis79 said:
Were there any side affects from freezing Sense? Crashes or freezes?
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None at all.
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Old market

Hello, my market is the new 3.0something market, how can I go back to the original market? Help!

if you installed the apk, you can just uninstall it from applications otherwise i don't think you can. Even if you do manage to do it it would probably update itself again.

You can download the original apk from here and install it in recovery.
Ciao

i hope they will bring out an update for the new market soon, i think it's pretty pretty slow!

I agree it would update itself. nothing to do

The new market has some nice features, but I agree that out is pretty slow.I noticed that using SSH tunnel speeds up things.probably three amount of DNS requests is pretty high and handled quicker this way not using wifi.anyways a upgrade is really required and I am sure they will speed things in the best future (hopefully).
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Initially i installed new market as soon as it was out via APK and it was a bit painful to say the least. I went back to the old one and gave it a month then the auto update came through and it's been ok since. Must have ironed out the earlier crinkles before final rollout?

I'm still waiting for the auto update. Seems to be a very slow process.

The APK into SYSTE \ APP

I like the old market.

Saw this on XDA today
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/get-your-old-android-market-back/

Have not got the new market yet, but think it looks cool. Maybe you just have to get used to it?
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Fidoble said:
Have not got the new market yet, but think it looks cool. Maybe you just have to get used to it?
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I've given it a week. I couldn't take it any more! I may have been able to overlook the lag, but the added annoyance of the missing 'update' button for new app updates was just too much. Every day having to clear data before updates worked. Trust me the new looks wear thin quickly!
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i also like the old one

Where the hell is my OTA market update

It has to be about 2 months now and i haven't received a OTA notification for the 3.x update of the market app I'm still running the stock 2.3.6 version, anybody know what's up with this?
And yea i know i can get a ripped .apk from just about anywhere dealing with android info, but I'm trying to not do that this time around
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gguy1 said:
It has to be about 2 months now and i haven't received a OTA notification for the 3.x update of the market app I'm still running the stock 2.3.6 version, anybody know what's up with this?
And yea i know i can get a ripped .apk from just about anywhere dealing with android info, but I'm trying to not do that this time around
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good luck with waiting

I am in the same boat with you still have not gotten a market update from the default.

Be grateful guys and enjoy the good old market. New one simply sucks and lags as mad!

messer19 said:
Be grateful guys and enjoy the good old market. New one simply sucks and lags as mad!
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+1.
New market is just painfully slow. Sure it looks nice but even with good 3G/4G or WiFi it takes forever to load sometimes.

Not for me...
DeoreDX said:
+1.
New market is just painfully slow. Sure it looks nice but even with good 3G/4G or WiFi it takes forever to load sometimes.
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I don't know why you've got lag. I'm using baadnewz insertcoin ROM with the new market, and it's fast as ****. Perhaps you should change to a better ROM

grahamkdt said:
I don't know why you've got lag. I'm using baadnewz insertcoin ROM with the new market, and it's fast as ****. Perhaps you should change to a better ROM
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Funny I'm using Insertcoin 3.4.0 that you have listed in your sig. It's just the new market is much more image intensive and take a while to initially load. I speed test in the 4-6mbps range with my HSPA+ and it still takes a few seconds of watching the "loading" screen when I first launch market. On edge it can take 10-15 seconds.

I wasn't aware that the market actually notified you about there being the actual market updates, I thought it updated itself silently behind the scenes.
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it probably doesn't notify but i haven't even received the behind the scenes update... it's kind of ridiculous to wait this long when they've already updated the new version 2 times over....
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gguy1 said:
it probably doesn't notify but i haven't even received the behind the scenes update... it's kind of ridiculous to wait this long when they've already updated the new version 2 times over....
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The new market has the same apps as the old market. U mad.
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[Q] Newer Market coming?

Does the MT4GS stock have a chance of getting a market update? A friend has a MT4G and it got the new market a while back.
Newer market has a few features I am looking for and this older market is not cutting it.
Any information is helpful.

It should automatically update. There should be a way to sideload the market if it doesn't update automatically.

@Lime - Right I saw it automatically update on the MyTouch 4G and thought maybe the Doubleshot would get the update soon. It hasn't. It's been months.
When you visit the market there is no "market" to update. As it is a system app.
Please keep the thoughts coming.

It is a known bug that market updater is broken on the 4G Slide. I am not sure if the 1.55 update fixed it but it doesn't seem so.
Edit: ok so I uninstalled the updates and cleared cache. It went back to the old market and it updated but not to the new one though. But 1.55 did fix the market updater. So if you don't grab the newest version below it should update eventually.
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That link doesn't work. But it auto updated. If you go to apps and uninstall updates and clear cache it should update to the new one. It just did for me.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
That link doesn't work. But it auto updated. If you go to apps and uninstall updates and clear cache it should update to the new one. It just did for me.
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I went to Home, Menu, Settings, Applications, Manage Applications,All Tab and scrolled to "Market"
There are three -
Market 2.3.4, 3.57 MB
Market Feedback Agent 2.3.3, 120 kb
Market Updater 1.0, 4 kb
I cleared cache. There was no way to uninstall any of them or uninstall updates that I could tell.

Clear data on the market
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Drzfr3shboialex said:
Clear data on the market
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How? The Clear Data button is greyed out. There is 2.37MB of data. Happy to clear it. Not sure how too.

I didn't do anything. I just launched the Market App and got a notification for update to Google Play. Didn't do anything to cause it. I am running Pyrosense.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement.

I am sure updating to Play is automatic but likely you already had the newer market. In this case I am stuck in the older market, no books, movies, or music, just apps.
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rdrrlabs said:
I am sure updating to Play is automatic but likely you already had the newer market. In this case I am stuck in the older market, no books, movies, or music, just apps.
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I was running 3.4.4 IIRC.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement.

Coug76 said:
I was running 3.4.4 IIRC.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement.
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3.4.4 Market? Android?
I am running 2.3.4 Android OS & Market, 3.0 Sense.

Play Store here. Why did they change it?
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AgentCherryColla said:
Play Store here. Why did they change it?
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Google Play is likely a less confusing name than "market" plus as not everything costs money it is a softer sound. Also likely some arguement can be made that games, movies, books, and music are all more "play" oriented.
Now if I could just get the last market to update...I'm not even worried about play right now.

rdrrlabs said:
3.4.4 Market? Android?
I am running 2.3.4 Android OS & Market, 3.0 Sense.
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I had been on Market 3.4.4. Running PyroSense 1.1.0 android ver 4.0.3 with Sense 3.6 as produced by TBalden.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement.

http://www.theandroidsoul.com/android-market-updated-to-v3-4-4-apk-file-available-for-download/
this has the market apk for download and instructions for installing

Can anyone else verify the safety of The Android Soul site? Market is not something to take a chance with no matter how much I want the update.

rdrrlabs said:
Can anyone else verify the safety of The Android Soul site? Market is not something to take a chance with no matter how much I want the update.
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Here try this. i just searched the forums and it was the first to pop up
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391170

mattlowry said:
Here try this. i just searched the forums and it was the first to pop up
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391170
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This worked and provided the most important thing I was looking for: multi-account access. Awesome.
Installed, and seconds later saw multi-account access.
Extra thanks to @mattlowry for finding a trusted source after the first was something *I* was nervous about.

Can the OP mark this question as answered? Didn't see a way to do so.

Multitasking Bug

So apparently HTC broke Multitasking on Sense 4.
Lets say your watching a youtube video. Press pause, hit home and then go into your messaging app. Now hit the multitasking button and then try to go back to your youtube video.
But heres the problem.
IT REFRESHES!
WHY!?!?!
thats not how multitasking is supposed to work...
how can we get this fixed?
my tmo sgs2 never did this to me.

PC Jona said:
So apparently HTC broke Multitasking on Sense 4.
Lets say your watching a youtube video. Press pause, hit home and then go into your messaging app. Now hit the multitasking button and then try to go back to your youtube video.
But heres the problem.
IT REFRESHES!
WHY!?!?!
thats not how multitasking is supposed to work...
how can we get this fixed?
my tmo sgs2 never did this to me.
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The only fix is to not use sense.

PC Jona said:
So apparently HTC broke Multitasking on Sense 4.
Lets say your watching a youtube video. Press pause, hit home and then go into your messaging app. Now hit the multitasking button and then try to go back to your youtube video.
But heres the problem.
IT REFRESHES!
WHY!?!?!
thats not how multitasking is supposed to work...
how can we get this fixed?
my tmo sgs2 never did this to me.
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There are many threads and posts on this issue. There's a script somewhere that fixes it...
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invasion2 said:
There are many threads and posts on this issue. There's a script somewhere that fixes it...
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could you help me find that?
it should be built in to every rom
thats such an inconvenience

invasion2 said:
There are many threads and posts on this issue. There's a script somewhere that fixes it...
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There is a script that improves it... I would hesitate to say fixed

WCCobra said:
There is a script that improves it... I would hesitate to say fixed
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please link me =[ im searching and i cant find anything...

PC Jona said:
So apparently HTC broke Multitasking on Sense 4.
Lets say your watching a youtube video. Press pause, hit home and then go into your messaging app. Now hit the multitasking button and then try to go back to your youtube video.
But heres the problem.
IT REFRESHES!
WHY!?!?!
thats not how multitasking is supposed to work...
how can we get this fixed?
my tmo sgs2 never did this to me.
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For youtube it always does this.
The issue in terms of multitasking is really just a lack of RAM. I know that the One XL got an update where they managed to get another 100 mb of RAM out of it to improve multitasking, but who knows...

Hunt3r.j2 said:
For youtube it always does this.
The issue in terms of multitasking is really just a lack of RAM. I know that the One XL got an update where they managed to get another 100 mb of RAM out of it to improve multitasking, but who knows...
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i hate that youtube refreshes. that should be one of the main things that it DOESNT do.
why would u pause a video and do something else, then go back to the video just to have it refresh and loose my place.
idiots at htc im telling you.
and it doesnt make sense that its a lack of ram. my sgs2 had the same amount of ram and didnt do this crap.
BS

PC Jona said:
please link me =[ im searching and i cant find anything...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1706832&highlight=multitask

It's not broken. And its not a bug. It's how it was made..
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yes it's how it was made (scripts don't work, needs to be fixed on kernel level) and i can't wait till we get a proper "fix" for it.

PC Jona said:
i hate that youtube refreshes. that should be one of the main things that it DOESNT do.
why would u pause a video and do something else, then go back to the video just to have it refresh and loose my place.
idiots at htc im telling you.
and it doesnt make sense that its a lack of ram. my sgs2 had the same amount of ram and didnt do this crap.
BS
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Youtube always dumps the stream cache when you leave the app, is this supposed to be new?
The GS2 has something like 200 more megs of RAM to use compared to the One S, which might as well be the difference between multitasking that works and one that doesn't at all.
So far the only phone that doesn't have multitasking issues that launched with ICS is the US variant Galaxy S3.

Hunt3r.j2 said:
Youtube always dumps the stream cache when you leave the app, is this supposed to be new?
The GS2 has something like 200 more megs of RAM to use compared to the One S, which might as well be the difference between multitasking that works and one that doesn't at all.
So far the only phone that doesn't have multitasking issues that launched with ICS is the US variant Galaxy S3.
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my sgs2 on cm9 never dumped the cache when i left the app.
so thats new to me.
dont remember it happening to me on other phones either (sensation, epic4g, evo)

PC Jona said:
my sgs2 on cm9 never dumped the cache when i left the app.
so thats new to me.
dont remember it happening to me on other phones either (sensation, epic4g, evo)
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Because HTC made it this way.... It's not a bug or anything. It's meant to be this way. Doesn't mean anyone likes it, but then again, it doesn't really bother me.
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xxquicksh0txx said:
Because HTC made it this way.... It's not a bug or anything. It's meant to be this way. Doesn't mean anyone likes it, but then again, it doesn't really bother me.
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That's all fine and good, but they should not be allowed to advertise 1gB of RAM if you can only keep one program in memory at a time.
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PC Jona said:
my sgs2 on cm9 never dumped the cache when i left the app.
so thats new to me.
dont remember it happening to me on other phones either (sensation, epic4g, evo)
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I just tried it on a Desire HD. I went from a youtube video, to messaging. When I got back to youtube, it dumped the cache and had to buffer the video for a while before it started again. Is that what you're experiencing?

On my One S, when I leave the YouTube app the video pauses. When I go back into the YouTube app, it starts replaying from where it left off. It does take a second or two for it to prepare the video for playback, but overall it is pretty seamless. Compare that to my laptop where the YouTube video replays instantly (at least the sound does) but the video is all choppy for several seconds until it catches up.

One of the main new developments of android ICS was the improved multitasking functionality, and manufacturers have poorly understood the concept. To have more fluid multitasking your priority lies on increasing RAM over having a fancier quad-core processor! Something well shown by the HTC one S with is S4 dual-core that is able run apps very smoothly, rivalling the One X, but cant run many of them.

hm so i should have gotten the s3 then lol.
but after feeling how this phone is and just the quality and how nice htc sense is idk if i can go back.
they just need to give the next phone 2gbs of ram!

If you install a stock ics or jb rom you won't have this issue. I didn't mind Sense on this phone but the multitasking is brutal. I can't take it... The recent apps implementation is brutal and more time consuming than just going back to the home screen and app drawer. Never mind that it won't cache apps properly..
All the talk of stream lining Sense 4.0 is a joke. A sense rom is almost half a gig, I stock rom is a third of that, come on!
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