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Hi everyone I am starting this thread as i am at war with samsung after being pissed off by the quality of their devices. I bought a Note 10.1 over ipad 3 though both cost approximately the same since i preferred the spen for my day to day tasks. By profession i am a systems designer and i draw a lot of data flow and other diagrams.So i thought the spen will be a good investment. After 2 days of using the note 10.1 i noticed that my gestures were not being tracked properly in the area just below the front facing camera. I initiated a thread in the qa forum here and came to know that another person was also facing the same issue.
Actually it might be there in other note 10.1s as well only might have escaped your discovery.
I also noticed that my device was made in vietnam, and i started to think whether the entire S2 episode didnt enforce stricter quality control at the vietnam facility. I took my device to the service center and they offered a replacement. On recieving the replacement i noticed it was also made in vietnam. On further inspection i noticed the replacement handset's blue colours were more whitish and not as crisp as the blues on my previous handset. I also noticed that the loudspeaker output was a little less. On bringing the above pohints to their notice they bluntly replied that those were differences in perception and cannot be considered as deffects. Anyways understanding that in India quality system is not as stringent as in US i reluctantly accepted the replacement as the spen was working fine. Just after a day of use the replacement handset also started giving the same spen issues.
Now my points :
1. Display difference
I told the technical rep about apple and asus and how they had handled similar issues. How is samsung expecting to compete with a brand who guarantee that their products are of the same quality irrespective of their place of origin or purchase.And its not that the samsung products are much cheaper than apple these days.I could have easily bought a ipad 3 for 40k INR than spending 37k on this device. Is samsung's quality assurance like this across the globe or is it in India only?
2. Made in Vietnam
When i told them about the made in vietnam fiasco of S2 they agreed that it was there. So how come another top of line device is being manufactured there? Or is it that it now caters to nations with les stringent quality standard? I had seen a poll in xda about origin of the devices and most of the us users had reported made in china or korea. They wanted documented proof so i told about the xda threads.
I am holding a high level meeting with the honchos at samsung india and i want to be prepared with all documentation to substantiate my points. Request all xda members and owners of samsung devices particularlyNote 10.1 to update the thread with their observations, issues, concerns etc mentioning the device and place of make.
This is our time especially with the aggression dispalyed by samsung to take on apple.
Its time they understand that it takes more on quality than quantity to take on the market.
I had trusted samsung yet again after a harrowing experience with the wave 1 thinking their competition with apple would have improved their standards but alas.
They need to understand that quality statements should hold good irrespective of countries. They should understand it should be one brand one standard.
Looking forward to your thoughts and inputs.
Thanks
The Note is my fifth Samsung device. I've owned HTC, LG, and Motorola Android devices too. In comparing them and being on their respective forums on XDA the Samsung devices have had far fewer build and QC issues than the others. I've never had a Samsung device not built in Korea or China so maybe the Vietnam thing is a specific issue. Good luck with your crusade even though I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish and for who.
I'm not clear on how y9u know it was made in Vietnam... I've never seen one that wasn't stamped as Korea made...
That being said I have a white 16, and just received the upgraded 32 (only comes in blue).
What bugs me though is that the 32 gig screen has a yellow tint to it. It seems to make the colors look a little richer but it's not as bright as the white one...
That being said the white one is brighter but colors can look washed out at times.
I don't know if I should order another 32 gig to see if this one has a bad display, or if the white one had the bad display...
I also noticed the app 'phone info' reports the 32 gig battery is pushing a higher voltage often 200mv more.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The Note is my fifth Samsung device. I've owned HTC, LG, and Motorola Android devices too. In comparing them and being on their respective forums on XDA the Samsung devices have had far fewer build and QC issues than the others. I've never had a Samsung device not built in Korea or China so maybe the Vietnam thing is a specific issue. Good luck with your crusade even though I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish and for who.
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Thanks for your reply.
Since you are based out of US the world of dual standards will be a totally unventured one for you.
Companies take advantage of slack quality norms in India to sell their sub standard products at same or higher prices.
For example if i was in US i could have purchased it for a little more than 500 USD as i have the 3G version here in India.
So that translates to a INR value of around 25K.
But inspite of paying a higher premium of 37K in INR which is equivalent to 740 USD we get sub par quality.
I used to think that companies do this to maintain profit margins as taxation is not in their hands.
But Apple has shown that companies can maintain quality if they want to.
Ipad 3 retails for 40K INR in India which is approx 800 USD but they maintain their quality standards and service level promises.
I was a hardened Apple hater because of their prices and software rigidity.
But their quality policy has really left me no choice but to be impressed.
Samsung has a huge user base in India but they have taken all of them for granted.
Now to answer your point of what i am trying to achieve:
I am trying to make Samsung understand that though i am from India i wont settle for a product with functionality and quality which is not at par with devices shipped to US or other countries.
My money is as dear to me as money to users from US and other parts of the world and i want every pennys' worth from the product.
androidjobe said:
I'm not clear on how y9u know it was made in Vietnam... I've never seen one that wasn't stamped as Korea made...
That being said I have a white 16, and just received the upgraded 32 (only comes in blue).
What bugs me though is that the 32 gig screen has a yellow tint to it. It seems to make the colors look a little richer but it's not as bright as the white one...
That being said the white one is brighter but colors can look washed out at times.
I don't know if I should order another 32 gig to see if this one has a bad display, or if the white one had the bad display...
I also noticed the app 'phone info' reports the 32 gig battery is pushing a higher voltage often 200mv more.
Sent from my GT-N8013 using XDA Premium HD app
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Thanks for the reply.I understand that you have never seen a Samsung box which is not marked as made in Vietnam since you must be based out of US.
They refrain from sending made in Vietnam products to US as those will get badly lambasted by the strict QC department and agressive customers.
Please be sure to check the spen sensitivity in the area below the front camera in potrait mode.
I will upload a picture of the original tablet and the replacements' box with the Made in Vietnam marking.
I have also seen loads of Made in Vietnam S3s coming into the service center during my trips.
Thats why i have started this thread.
Its a gross abuse of a customer base.
adneo said:
Companies take advantage of slack quality norms in India to sell their sub standard products at same or higher prices.
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Do you know this for a fact? All the components are the same or Indian ROM's wouldn't be usable on non-Indian devices and vice versa. The JB leak was an Indian version which doesn't make sense if you guys are so taken advantage of and abused. From a pricing stand point I know what you're saying is true. Samsung has one distributor in Israel and prices there are 25% higher adjusted for currency than the EU. They also make sure that only Israeli shipped ROM's support the Samsung Hebrew keyboard and have had XDA remove custom ROMs that have included it. Sadly, India's probably treated the same way and you're not going to get much sympathy from Samsung because it's operating the way they've designed it.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you know this for a fact? All the components are the same or Indian ROM's wouldn't be usable on non-Indian devices and vice versa. The JB leak was an Indian version which doesn't make sense if you guys are so taken advantage of and abused. From a pricing stand point I know what you're saying is true. Samsung has one distributor in Israel and prices there are 25% higher adjusted for currency than the EU. They also make sure that only Israeli shipped ROM's support the Samsung Hebrew keyboard and have had XDA remove custom ROMs that have included it. Sadly, India's probably treated the same way and you're not going to get much sympathy from Samsung because it's operating the way they've designed it.
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Its not only me every indian knows that the standards of good shipped to india by international brands are way low.
Let alone electronics.
I had a pair of adida supernova sequence shoes purchased from US and i was so impressed i bought another pair in India and guess what the pasting came off within a month or so!
Component can be same but it depends on the fabrication facility how stictly they have controlled the quality of the component.
There is already know issues with the Vientnam facility.
Thats why i have never heard anyone is US getting a Made in Vietnam Samsung product as the company would get thrashed by the strict QC policies of the US.
Its not that the functionality was designed like this it that the quality control of the manufacturing process at the Vietnam facility is pathetic.
adneo said:
Hi everyone I am starting this thread as i am at war with samsung after being pissed off by the quality of their devices. I bought a Note 10.1 over ipad 3 though both cost approximately the same since i preferred the spen for my day to day tasks. By profession i am a systems designer and i draw a lot of data flow and other diagrams.So i thought the spen will be a good investment. After 2 days of using the note 10.1 i noticed that my gestures were not being tracked properly in the area just below the front facing camera. I initiated a thread in the qa forum here and came to know that another person was also facing the same issue.
Actually it might be there in other note 10.1s as well only might have escaped your discovery.
I also noticed that my device was made in vietnam, and i started to think whether the entire S2 episode didnt enforce stricter quality control at the vietnam facility. I took my device to the service center and they offered a replacement. On recieving the replacement i noticed it was also made in vietnam. On further inspection i noticed the replacement handset's blue colours were more whitish and not as crisp as the blues on my previous handset. I also noticed that the loudspeaker output was a little less. On bringing the above pohints to their notice they bluntly replied that those were differences in perception and cannot be considered as deffects. Anyways understanding that in India quality system is not as stringent as in US i reluctantly accepted the replacement as the spen was working fine. Just after a day of use the replacement handset also started giving the same spen issues.
Now my points :
1. Display difference
I told the technical rep about apple and asus and how they had handled similar issues. How is samsung expecting to compete with a brand who guarantee that their products are of the same quality irrespective of their place of origin or purchase.And its not that the samsung products are much cheaper than apple these days.I could have easily bought a ipad 3 for 40k INR than spending 37k on this device. Is samsung's quality assurance like this across the globe or is it in India only?
2. Made in Vietnam
When i told them about the made in vietnam fiasco of S2 they agreed that it was there. So how come another top of line device is being manufactured there? Or is it that it now caters to nations with les stringent quality standard? I had seen a poll in xda about origin of the devices and most of the us users had reported made in china or korea. They wanted documented proof so i told about the xda threads.
I am holding a high level meeting with the honchos at samsung india and i want to be prepared with all documentation to substantiate my points. Request all xda members and owners of samsung devices particularlyNote 10.1 to update the thread with their observations, issues, concerns etc mentioning the device and place of make.
This is our time especially with the aggression dispalyed by samsung to take on apple.
Its time they understand that it takes more on quality than quantity to take on the market.
I had trusted samsung yet again after a harrowing experience with the wave 1 thinking their competition with apple would have improved their standards but alas.
They need to understand that quality statements should hold good irrespective of countries. They should understand it should be one brand one standard.
Looking forward to your thoughts and inputs.
Thanks
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im from pakistan dude. so conditions in pak and india are not that different. i have like 3 of my friends who have this note 10.1. i also own a note 10.1 3G version. blue color. all 4 of our friend's notes are made in vietnam and would u believe, all of our 4 notes have slightly different colors. just a little tint difference. i am a sam boy. i have all of my electronics made by samsung. i also have an S3. the issue with the S3 is that the volume rockers get jammed in when pressed. the screen has light bleeding from inside. the super amoled panel of the phone has like 7 visible ink spots.....i have replace 3 S3. means the one that i have now is my 3rd S3! all the previous had the same issues.
this Note 10.1 has really really disappointed me a lot! the volume rockers also get pressed inside when pressed. the color is very very dark blue its like f--ing blue.... not greyish blue... it has light bleeding issues on the top end. now that samsung has announced the nexus 10 i would sell my note 10.1 and get the nexus 10. i have already sold my S3 for PAK Rs 16k loss.... i had used S3 for only 3 weeks. i got that for 56k and sold for 40k.
my suggestion for u is to sell the note 10.1 as soon as possible cause when nexus 10 would be released the price of note 10.1 would drop and YEAH FORGET THAT SAMMY WOULD UPDATE NOTE 10.1 TO JELLY BEAN OFFICIALLY BEFORE NEXT YEAR.....
Ok I also bought this in India and mine is manufactured in Korea, mine though is the grey color one and I have had no issues with the tablet as far as the pricing is concerned please forget the pricing of US they will always be lower even the Nexus 7 which was for 199 in US was around 15k in Singapore. Also please remember the US version does not have sim card which again makes a difference in cost. I am not sure but I think UK version has sim card can anyone be kind enough to post the costing.
Again even Apple has had quality issues with their trademark product Iphone earlier with the antenna now with some of the pieces being scratched so no one is perfect I know Samsung has policy of DOA if a device is reported to them within i think 7 days for any mechanical fault and it is replaced with a new one without questions asked. I had done that with one of my cell phone.
I got my galaxy for 34200 around a month back I do not know what price you paid but when I look at the screenshot you have posted my model number is totally different with yours may be yours is white that why.
Anyways even Apple is maufactured in China so does that make it an inferior device no so how does a device from vietnam makes inferior and Samsung is the leading phone manufacturer in the world and hence it will have different production units spread across. Again may be its one of case and you should get it replaced
I'm tired of the number of people motivating others to sell the note 10.1 in favor of nexus 10, this negative attitude irritates allot of people, if you have a problem with your note just sell it or get it replaced. But whenever I enter the general forum I see threads started every day complaining about note and motivating others to sell it , it is not our business that you hate your tab and you are going to sell it and I think the general discussion forum isn't intended to make people hate their devices and sell it
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I agree there is a lot of discussion related to either nexus 10 or W8 or people hating the tablet i agree with you if they want to switch to another tablet please go ahead and start posting your reviews over there. No one is a kid over here people can make their own choices.
I would also request all those who say they are facing issues can they post an image or video to show us, some of us who are geniunely intrested in finding a solution do that but there are some who just want to critisize and for me until they proof what they are saying they are just bunch of liers I am going to start ignoring
adneo said:
Thanks for the reply.I understand that you have never seen a Samsung box which is not marked as made in Vietnam since you must be based out of US.
They refrain from sending made in Vietnam products to US as those will get badly lambasted by the strict QC department and agressive customers.
Please be sure to check the spen sensitivity in the area below the front camera in potrait mode.
I will upload a picture of the original tablet and the replacements' box with the Made in Vietnam marking.
I have also seen loads of Made in Vietnam S3s coming into the service center during my trips.
Thats why i have started this thread.
Its a gross abuse of a customer base.
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I have a slightly less sensitive area about 1 inch to the left of the camera. The spot itself is about 1/2 long and 1/8 in deep.
Frankly what bothers me more is the yellow hue of the screen. Went to exchange it at best buy and they tell me they will not longer carry the 32 gig model?is this because of quality issues I wonder?
androidjobe said:
I have a slightly less sensitive area about 1 inch to the left of the camera. The spot itself is about 1/2 long and 1/8 in deep.
Frankly what bothers me more is the yellow hue of the screen. Went to exchange it at best buy and they tell me they will not longer carry the 32 gig model?is this because of quality issues I wonder?
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Sorry for the late reply, could not reply earlier as i was travelling.
For everyone's benefit i have uploaded a video i took of the issue on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccsh8X2JyGg
Please refer to the video above and also incase you notice differences or anomalies with your note 10.1 , i suggest you take it up with Samsung.
I believe that you should get full value for your investment made in the product.
For all other people who thought i was some sort of Apple marketing exec or trolling the forums.
Please check the video and that should answer your queries.
adneo said:
Sorry for the late reply, could not reply earlier as i was travelling.
For everyone's benefit i have uploaded a video i took of the issue on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccsh8X2JyGg
Please refer to the video above and also incase you notice differences or anomalies with your note 10.1 , i suggest you take it up with Samsung.
I believe that you should get full value for your investment made in the product.
For all other people who thought i was some sort of Apple marketing exec or trolling the forums.
Please check the video and that should answer your queries.
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Mate, did that test with mine and had NO dead spots... I'd take that back to the shop you bought it from as that is ridiculous... I did one better than you though, I tested the entire screen from outside all the way in. As I said, no problems. That looks like a warranty job to me...
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Mate, did that test with mine and had NO dead spots... I'd take that back to the shop you bought it from as that is ridiculous... I did one better than you though, I tested the entire screen from outside all the way in. As I said, no problems. That looks like a warranty job to me...
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Thanks for your time for checking and reverting.
I know its a manufacturing defect and detected the same issue in 3 replacement units.
The only common factor in all of them was that they were made in Vietnam.
I have submitted a refund claim , as i am totally pissed with their quality control.
It for the benefit of other people who might still be in the dark that they actually dont have a fully functional product.
We need to take issues up like this straight to the companies as they take us for granted.
You know what the samsung rep told me when i told them about the different colour saturations and quality of reproduction between the replacement tablets?
"That cannot be taken as a defect as its a difference in perception"
This is a level of quality control atleast by Samsung India.
Looking forward to others' feedback.
ok my tab is very good quality but when i touch the pen when i didnt use it , it make a sound , and i have light bleed in the lower left corner behind home button but it didnt bother me
I don't think your Made in Vietnam theory is necessarily valid. I just bought mine today (I'm in Kenya and it's made in Vietnam) and I'm extremely happy with it. I watched your video and my entire screen is perfect. No pen hassles at all.
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The less sensivity near the camera is I think more an issue with some interferance from an internal part like the camera or may be some wireless transmitter is present over there
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The less sensivity near the camera is I think more an issue with some interferance from an internal part like the camera or may be some wireless transmitter is present over there
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Yes you are right.The wifi module resides in that area.The weird part is the sensitivity was ok when i opened the box and till the time i didnt switch on wifi.The moment i started using wifi i noticed that area on the screen getting warm and the sensitivity issues popped up.
It was the same for all the replacements.
Ideally there should some kind of em shield to enable wifi operation without obstructing the magnetic digitizers.
Thats why i am so pissed at samsung's QC.
I had come across a mail to CEO link in the samsung website, out of curiosity i had fired a mail from the link stating the situation i was in.
To my surprise i got the below reply:
Dear Mr. Ghosh,
Samsung Namaskar!
We thank you for contacting CEO’s office and for giving us a chance to assist you.
In reference to your mail regarding the Samsung Handset, we would like to inform you that we do a quality testing and quality checks before bringing the product into the market. However there may be a case in which Handset may have some minor problem and for that Samsung provides a year warranty.
Our main focus is on the quality of the product that we launch in the market. However we have acknowledged & accepted the feedback given by you.
Please be advised that your feedback/suggestions are important to us and are being reviewed carefully.
Thanking and assuring you for best services always.
With warm regards,
CEO’s Office
Samsung India Electronics Pvt. Ltd.
I am not sure as to what the person's capacity is who drafted the response, but he has used the CEO's office signature.
It seems samsung is more concerned about the quality of a product before launching it into market and has not stated anything in the reply which talks about quality control in day to day production lines.
The reply goes to extent of mentioning the warranty provided.
I always thought that any reputed company's target should be that customer need not invoke the warranty of their products.
Its also noteworthy that in the reply the defects , which included the difference in colour reproduction, and volume levels from the external speaker and the spen issue i had discussed earlier, are referred to as minor defects.
It seems Samsung India atleast doesnt bother about their customer losing their time and trust as they run around with their samsung products to get them fixed by invoking warranty.
My point is the Note 10.1's USP was buisness productivity and rather than ensuring that the company is saying, "oh well there is a defect and we dont care if you gotta miss a meeting or draw schematics on paper , if you want the product to work you need to run around our service centers as we gave you a 1 year warranty!!!!"
I am looking forward to your views on this.
I have loved and used Samsung phones since I switched from HTC's fuze.
I had a Captivate, a Galaxy S, Note, Galaxy S3 and was planning on getting a Note 3. The Captivate and Note where grey imports and the Note 3 was going to be one. Another thing that I liked is that you could flash the latest rom from any region and use the modem from your region, did this with all of them.
Now with all the bootloader locking, Knox warning after rooting and now region locking it's very doubtful I'll get the Note 3.
Now this thread is here not to defend the Note 3, or to rant and vent against Samsung, but to provide alternatives to it. It should be a better phone that the Note 1
What would you recommend or what are you planning on doing?
Any recommendation should be unlockable, flashable and rootable as Samsung's phones USED to be.
So, do you guys have any thoughts on the following phones? Pros, cons against the Note 3?
HTC One Max? When will this phone be announced and available?
Sony's Xperia Ultra?
$769.50 Unlocked
Pros: Bigger screen
Cons:
No stylus
No flash on the back
Glass on the back
Screen seems to pick up scratches if you use a pencil and touch is not pressure sensitive. See Ericka Griffin's review
Note 8
$477.50 3G Unlocked
$589.50 LTE Unlocked
Pros:
Even bigger screen
Cons:
Probably would need a BT handset like Sony's SBH52 or Samsung HM5000 Pen Type Bluetooth 3.0 Headset
Outdated S3 hardware and lowres screen
Note 3 Developer's edition
Has anyone used the Note 2 Dev edition? Pros, cons?
Cons:
Really don't know if this will be available, and if it becomes available what capabilities it will or won't have.
So, any thoughts?
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jgaviota said:
I have loved and used Samsung phones since I switched from HTC's fuze.
I had a Captivate, a Galaxy S, Note, Galaxy S3 and was planning on getting a Note 3. The Captivate and Note where grey imports and the Note 3 was going to be one. Another thing that I liked is that you could flash the latest rom from any region and use the modem from your region, did this with all of them.
Now with all the bootloader locking, Knox warning after rooting and now region locking it's very doubtful I'll get the Note 3.
Now this thread is here not to defend the Note 3, or to rant and vent against Samsung, but to provide alternatives to it. It should be a better phone that the Note 1
What would you recommend or what are you planning on doing?
Any recommendation should be unlockable, flashable and rootable as Samsung's phones USED to be.
So, do you guys have any thoughts on the following phones? Pros, cons against the Note 3?
HTC One Max? When will this phone be announced and available?
Sony's Xperia Ultra?
$769.50 Unlocked
Pros: Bigger screen
Cons:
No stylus
No flash on the back
Glass on the back
Screen seems to pick up scratches if you use a pencil and touch is not pressure sensitive. See Ericka Griffin's review
Note 8
$477.50 3G Unlocked
$589.50 LTE Unlocked
Pros:
Even bigger screen
Cons:
Probably would need a BT handset like Sony's SBH52 or Samsung HM5000 Pen Type Bluetooth 3.0 Headset
Outdated S3 hardware and lowres screen
Note 3 Developer's edition
Has anyone used the Note 2 Dev edition? Pros, cons?
Cons:
Really don't know if this will be available, and if it becomes available what capabilities it will or won't have.
So, any thoughts?
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I don't see them releasing a developer edition for this phone as much as I would get one it is all about the Spen in Samsungs eyes but you never know
How are Sony's, HTC's and LG's attitudes to rooting now?
Acer Liquid S2 looks very interesting.
Almost same great specs as Note 3:
snapdragon 800 quad core 2.2, Adreno 330, 13mp camera (4K video rec), 1080p Corning Gorilla Glass (lcd) display, 2gb ram.
but with larger screen 6", 4 led ring flash (powerful flashlight), stereo speakers, microSD, up to 128 GB, and... fm radio!
Lte support: 800 / 1800 / 2600.
They haven't published a weight for it yet. No Knox or Region lock! I'm guessing hoping an unlocked boot loader! I have a new crush!
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keeping my note 2 and buying the refreshed version of this W3 Windows x86 Desktop OS tablet for 280$
http://www.staples.com/Acer-ICONIA-W3-810-1600-81-32GB-Tablet/product_48343
because no phone or phablet will be 8.1" in display size
or have a real desktop OS that runs .exe files
and just use it in tandem using my note 2 to tether unlimited verizon 4G to the windows tablet. and keep the note 2 for calls, messages, notifications, GPS.
both in either pocket.
I was SO getting a Note3 to replace my Note2 as quickly as possible but recent events have turned me off and I'm in no hurry whatsoever anymore. I'm going to sit tight and follow how things develop.
If you're into Samsung have a look at the Mega which I had for about a week. It was really nice but I ended up returning it because when I set the brightness to 100% it would often "auto-dim" due to overheating.
Right now I'm keeping my Note2 but have actively started to look at other brands (I'm only one person and Samsung could care less about my business, but if bad reputation spreads things could change quickly).
Personally the only other phone alternative I would consider is HTC Max which I think is being launched on 15th Oct.
both ultra and mega are sluggish in comparison to Note 3 so a no no for me, and mega is plastic. Note 3 is lovely phone with good features but the beast is caged in cheap looking plastic and the bezel is ugly. The design has put me off somewhat but I love the features. So not sure what I'll do with it I've been offered iPhone 5s 64gb to swap, I'm considering it.
Xperia Z Ultra is the best alternatives.
How about HTC One MAX which will be coming soon?
Fact of the matter is none of the other large size screen phones are considered alternatives to the Note. An alternative or a substitute is something that fulfills the same benefit. Even now after two years of launching the note, there is no phone that provides you with same or equivalent multi tasking features and the S-pen.
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The Xperia Z Ultra is too big with the bezels. I had it for awhile. And it scratches so easily.
If I wasn't getting the Note 3 it would be the LG G2. Nice big display and fast. I also had it for awhile to test. Great phone.
The Oppo N1 is the only interesting phablet alternative.
yes +1 for Oppo N1.
http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_n1-review-990.php
Tubgirl said:
I was SO getting a Note3 to replace my Note2 as quickly as possible but recent events have turned me off and I'm in no hurry whatsoever anymore. I'm going to sit tight and follow how things develop.
If you're into Samsung have a look at the Mega which I had for about a week. It was really nice but I ended up returning it because when I set the brightness to 100% it would often "auto-dim" due to overheating.
Right now I'm keeping my Note2 but have actively started to look at other brands (I'm only one person and Samsung could care less about my business, but if bad reputation spreads things could change quickly).
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riz157 said:
Personally the only other phone alternative I would consider is HTC Max which I think is being launched on 15th Oct.
both ultra and mega are sluggish in comparison to Note 3 so a no no for me, and mega is plastic. Note 3 is lovely phone with good features but the beast is caged in cheap looking plastic and the bezel is ugly. The design has put me off somewhat but I love the features. So not sure what I'll do with it I've been offered iPhone 5s 64gb to swap, I'm considering it.
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Regarding the Galaxy Mega, Samsung missed a HUGE (pun intended) opportunity with that device. I checked it out in person at an AT&T store. The first thing I thought was 'Holy Jesus, this thing is huge' (and i'm a pretty big guy, but even I was surprised at the size). The second thing I thought as I played with it was how laggy it was. I know they were just testing the waters, but they went too low-spec with that device. I think people like us (nerds and technophiles) could deal with the lower-res screen and the plastic feel of the phone, but the internals of the device killed it. If they had done slightly better specs (I'm talking maybe Note 2 range) and a slightly smaller screen (6"), there would have been people jumping all over that phone.
That being said, if they come out with a Galaxy Mega 2 next year that is actually speedy and a little bit smaller, then I might seriously consider buying one.
After a quick research I decided that I will wait for HTC ONE Max,My experience with my old HTC HD2 ,which is still my backup device,is very good.
Ascend Mate?
I used Huawei Ascend Mate for a while. It's a pretty good device, quad core, 2GB RAM, 6.1 inch, nice screen, good quality, and the price also. (I paid 350 euros for it in France, which is very cheap compared to the 750 euro price tag of the Note3). The cons were, only 8GB of inner storage (there's a slot for external SD card though), no stylus (this bothered me the most), not really good camera, and -well it isn't really important to every user- no custom software development. Rootable, so u can at least remove the bloatware. I've heard about some MIUI custom ROM for it, though, but never tried it.
hagba said:
After a quick research I decided that I will wait for HTC ONE Max,My experience with my old HTC HD2 ,which is still my backup device,is very good.
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Good luck. They botched the launch of the One and now the One Mini whose design (at least in China) the One Max shares. Not to mention their precarious financial condition.
azzerc said:
Hi guys.
I have recently upgraded to the HTC One Mini and I have to say that I'd love this handset if it wasn't for the fact that the plastic edge/chassis keeps cracking. I am on my second handset as Vodafone were happy enough to replace my first one when I reported this issue to them but it has happened again on my second. These small cracks were not there when I first got either of the two handsets but seemed to appear after a few days of use. I have been back to the store again and they will replace the handset or let me change to a different model/brand so there is no issue there. My question are: Has anyone else had this issue? As I can't seem to find any info on other instances. And, Does it's big brother the HTC One have the same issue as I may upgrade to that?
Cheers guys any info would be appreciated.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45061270#post45061270
HTC Corp is facing supply constraints on its latest smartphone, sources familiar with the matter said, piling pressure on already disappointing sales and increasing the likelihood the firm will post its first net loss this quarter.
The problems with the HTC One Mini, launched in mid-July to generally positive reviews, come partly from a casing shortage arising from design difficulties that are crimping production rates, one of the sources said.
The casing troubles come hot on the heels of shortages associated with the flagship HTC One model's camera module, indicating the Taiwanese company is still struggling to overcome supply chain difficulties which delayed the One's full launch and contributed to a record low first-quarter net profit.
Another source said consumer and telecom demand for the One Mini could not be met at the moment, even though analysts estimate that the company plans to ship only around 200,000 of the devices each month.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/24/htc-shortage-idUSL4N0HK18P20130924
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Good luck. They botched the launch of the One and now the One Mini whose design (at least in China) the One Max shares. Not to mention their precarious financial condition.
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who knows my humble contribution may help them with their finacial situation!,besides since I dont have a marriage arrangment with Samsung I see no harm in flirting around a bit!!.
Galaxy Note 2 hands down.
Hi there.
A simple question, I got an invite to buy a Sandstone Black OnePlus One today. I'd probably take it in an instant if it weren't for the yellow band.
Tell me, are the new batches any better or is one of the software fixes working well enough to make it not so much of an issue?
I haven't had any issues. I think there is a vocal minority with the yellow band. The touch screen issues are absolutely fixed it the latest firmware versions (not in stock yet, but in franco kernel)
There really aren't that many phones around with a yellow band...
That is encouraging. It seems there are a lot of people who are pleased.
Have you had any issues with the signal when on 3G/LTE/WiFi/BT? That is the only other area I can say I am concerned. I have an SGS3 fight now and the lack of LTE support is killing me. Well that and how crushingly slow it can be to multitask at times, it is actually struggling with XDA right now lol
I guess with all hardware there are risks associated, I had a perfect S3 but I know of people who have had dead motherboards and a line down their camera so it is not uncommon with a £500 flagship to have glaring defects.
I get better reception with my opo than my note 3.
Anyway, for the price, it can't be beat.
I have not had any issues at all and have owned the one+ since July now. The sandstone case is the only thing which bothers me, it's very easy for it to show signs of wear.
I just got 2 one plus one last week
No problem here at all. Highly recommended.
Will never go back to my note 3 again
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let me say, all three of my friends, including me bought the OPO around late august and ALL of us got the yellow band, BUT after a week or less than a week, for some reason it all disappeared on ALL of our phones.
Interesting that you say it went. Most people said it didn't, but the software trick might do it then. It might even be slightly region specific.
So, I may bite the bullet.
I bought mine mid august and it definitely still has a slight yellow band at the bottom. But it does not annoy me at all. You can only see it when the screen is white and even then it looks like an effect of the application rather than something wrong with the screen. When the screen is any other colour, you can't see it at all.
If this is your only reason for not buying it, then you should get it now. It's a non-issue for me (and most other people I think).
And even if it is a problem, look into the Android development forum as there's a app that creates a filter to make the yellow go away. It's a workaround to the problem.
asking for an invite of 64gb
can i get an invite please i really wanted to buy one but i haven't invited till now
Well, I bit the bullet and did it. Went for express delivery so should hopefully see it soon. Wish me luck!
Good decision. I also went from an S3 to a OPO just last week. Other than the size, which is borderline for me, it smashes the S3 out of the park. Honestly it is pretty much flawless - the screen is fantastic (with no band for me), the performance on another level, and the battery is ridiculous - couldn't be happier with it, and the price is the cheery on top
I confirm that Oneplus is a great piece of kit if you are one of the fortunate to get a device with no issues. The one thing I don't understand is how people can even compare this to a Note 3. I have both, of course the Note is mine and the Oneplus has been a surprise gift for my wife.
She still didn't make the full transition to the 1+ and I am impressed with the specs sheet, however the Note 3 is better in almost every way. The only thing that someone can say about Note 3 is that the CPU is 1 generation behind as the 1+ uses the new 801 vs the 800 which is basically a +/-300Mhz OC if I understood that correctly.
With the Note 3 you get a removable battery, a microsd card and the same amount of RAM and screen resolution. Furthermore you get the S pen which is actually a useful addition, Samsung support (invaluable if you have any issues with your new gadget), and a ton of high quality cases that will protect it from harm.
I'm not saying that 1+ is not a great smartphone for the price, however I don't get people switching from a Note 3 to 1+ and criticising Note 3. Is the Snapdragon 801 that much better?
Just my 2 euro cents, take it with a grain of salt
Hello everyone. I currently own an Iphone 6s Plus 128Gb, which I bought two weeks ago in Canada to be able to sell it for more money in my country.
I am looking for an Android device to switch to, and I consider s7/s7 edge would be good choices.
I come from owning an international S3 (i9300 with Exynos) since 2012 (still working) and I want to switch to an equivalent device of this generation. I don't really like to constantly buy new technology, but prefer to make my research and buy devices that are worth the money in the long run.
What I really like about the S3 is that even after all these years it still has updated ROMs released for it and its hardware holds up pretty well despite the time passed since release. The only reason I stopped using it as my main device is that I had the chance to get an Iphone which in my country sells for more than I bought it for, and the fact that my S3 is getting pretty worn out after these years, with malfunctioning USB connector, power button not working, etc.
I am therefore looking for a device (among all versions of s7/edge) which is expected to have the best development activity when it comes to ROMs in the next few years, at least comparable to the S3's even after 2 years since Samsung stopped its official support.
I know there are variants (s7 vs Edge, Qualcomm vs Exynos). Other reason I chose the s7 is the water resistant properties and good feedback from people I know that own one.
Which one would you recommend that you think will have the best community support in the next few years?
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Hello everyone. I currently own an Iphone 6s Plus 128Gb, which I bought two weeks ago in Canada to be able to sell it for more money in my country.
I am looking for an Android device to switch to, and I consider s7/s7 edge would be good choices.
I come from owning an international S3 (i9300 with Exynos) since 2012 (still working) and I want to switch to an equivalent device of this generation. I don't really like to constantly buy new technology, but prefer to make my research and buy devices that are worth the money in the long run.
What I really like about the S3 is that even after all these years it still has updated ROMs released for it and its hardware holds up pretty well despite the time passed since release. The only reason I stopped using it as my main device is that I had the chance to get an Iphone which in my country sells for more than I bought it for, and the fact that my S3 is getting pretty worn out after these years, with malfunctioning USB connector, power button not working, etc.
I am therefore looking for a device (among all versions of s7/edge) which is expected to have the best development activity when it comes to ROMs in the next few years, at least comparable to the S3's even after 2 years since Samsung stopped its official support.
I know there are variants (s7 vs Edge, Qualcomm vs Exynos). Other reason I chose the s7 is the water resistant properties and good feedback from people I know that own one.
Which one would you recommend that you think will have the best community support in the next few years?
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Well, currently the exynos versions have the best development. And the edge model always gets the new roms first, though the regular one gets them pretty quick also. As of now there are no roms for the Qualcomm version, since there is no stable root for it yet. It basically comes down to your personal preference, but I'd go with the Edge model (Exynos)
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Well, currently the exynos versions have the best development. And the edge model always gets the new roms first, though the regular one gets them pretty quick also. As of now there are no roms for the Qualcomm version, since there is no stable root for it yet. It basically comes down to your personal preference, but I'd go with the Edge model (Exynos)
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Thanks for replying
Is there any actual reason for the edge model always getting the roms first?
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Thanks for replying
Is there any actual reason for the edge model always getting the roms first?
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Not too sure, but I think it's because it's better than the regular s7 (more battery, larger screen, curved screen, pricier) It just appeals to developers more, then the regular model. But thankfully they have the same chipset and software, which means porting roms from one device to another is no problem.
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Thanks for replying
Is there any actual reason for the edge model always getting the roms first?
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But you can flash a S7 Flat kernel and it should works fine
So, you can buy the Flat Model too:good:
So I've seen most people order from Wonda mobile to get the snapdragon version.
My question is how has your overall experience been with the phone and have you come across any issues?
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So I've seen most people order from Wonda mobile to get the snapdragon version.
My question is how has your overall experience been with the phone and have you come across any issues?
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I was one of the first members of this forum who got the phone from Wonda.
I made a pre-order, the phone launched somewhere at the end of the August and I got it around 5th of September (don't remember the exact date but it was less than a week). I did have an issue with my local postal service (they delivered the package to a wrong place) but this has nothing to do with Wonda.
The phone itself was brand new and factory sealed so no one ever opened it. The package was securely packed.
I've got headphones, charger, phone case and manuals in the box. Also, there was a pre-installed screen protector as well as preinstalled protectors on the back, top and bottom of the phone, all preinstalled ideally and by Samsung. This is a huge plus for me as I didn't need to buy any screen protector and the phone was protected from all sides. I always use Spiegen cases and the phone fitted in perfectly.
I removed the bottom protector recently as it peeled off a little and was annoying but all other protectors are still installed. Also the main screen protector developed a small bubble recently. Not a big deal but a bit annoying.
All worked flawlessly, out of the box - I popped in my UK sim card and it just worked.
Pretty much every feature works: 5G, VoLTE, WiFi calling, Samsung Pay (it does have Chinese promos though), Hiyya spam call filter. No bloatware installed.
The only thing that I didn't like is that stock Samsung Keyboard is different from Exynos version and much less comfortable as it is adapted to Chinese layout. So I had to install a 3rd party keyboard for the first time in 6 years.
Everything else works as expected, no Chinese symbols in any app, menus, etc. All is in English.
Also, no green tint or camera fog issue. No dead pixels.
I am not a gamer so can't tell anything about gaming but the phone itself works really well, no heating issues or micro lags. All just works and benchmark scores also match other Snapdragon Notes.
If you go with this device, bear in mind it has slower updates than Exynos version. Also, the camera seems to be a little better on Exynos as some people reported. For me, the camera is great, especially 5x optical zoom and 10x hybrid zoom in videos and photos. Its a killer feature.
I was a bit disappointed that there is no 2x-4x optical zoom. I thought everything up to 5x is optical but this is not correct - only 5x is optical, everything below and above is digital. Also bear in mind optical zoom and ultra wide mode don't work in 60fps video mode and 104mpx photo mode, only in 12mpx/30fps mode. I couldn't find a difference between 104mpx and 12mpx though, moreover, 12mpx looks better for me.
All in all I can't fault this device and definitely recommend it. Its a great phone and Wonda's service was really good.
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So I've seen most people order from Wonda mobile to get the snapdragon version.
My question is how has your overall experience been with the phone and have you come across any issues?
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I've had my N20 Ultra Snapdragon from WondaMobile for a few months now as I sent the Exynos version back to Samsung UK due to issues.
I can tell it's a more powerful version and am very happy with the phone on all levels. It optimises much better than the Exynos version.
The only issue if you can call it that is the language was Chinese out of the box which is changed by the press of a button.
I removed the pre installed plastic screen protector as I prefer the Whitestone Dome Glass Screen Protector.
I don't use Samsung Pay as I prefer Google Pay.
I'm using an o2 sim card which is payg do I can't comment on 5G as I can't get it on my payg account.
It is dual sim.
WondaMobile apply a 12 month warranty.
Samsung Uk may not offer support to an imported Samsung phone as per their manufacturing warranty which to be honest is lame. It's about time they offered Snapdragon versions in the UK as a choice.
My phone is also covered by my Home Contents insurance.
It's good to see they've started this with the Samsung s20 fe albiet at £100 more than the Exynos version. I know it has 5G too but still !
Samsung know how to capitalise on people wanting the Snapdragon version !
WondaMobile are a reputable company and kept me informed along the way and delivered within a week.
The box is retail and was sealed and had all the accessories including the original eu i.e 3 pin Samsung Charger Brick inside. And a tpu case is inside which you don't get with the UK version. Winner winner.
Very happy.
Thanks so much for answering my questions. I'll probably order it when I get home. I know the new S21 ultra is out in January but I have no interest in it to be honest. I loved my note 4 and 8
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Thanks so much for answering my questions. I'll probably order it when I get home. I know the new S21 ultra is out in January but I have no interest in it to be honest. I loved my note 4 and 8
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Worth looking into the 5g issues. I have the 9860, and like plenty of other people it will not connect to 5g.
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So I've seen most people order from Wonda mobile to get the snapdragon version.
My question is how has your overall experience been with the phone and have you come across any issues?
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True but right now 5G doesn't bring enough for me to be a deal breaker.
Faster downloads with 5G isn't a biggie.
VirtualWaver said:
I was one of the first members of this forum who got the phone from Wonda.
I made a pre-order, the phone launched somewhere at the end of the August and I got it around 5th of September (don't remember the exact date but it was less than a week). I did have an issue with my local postal service (they delivered the package to a wrong place) but this has nothing to do with Wonda.
The phone itself was brand new and factory sealed so no one ever opened it. The package was securely packed.
I've got headphones, charger, phone case and manuals in the box. Also, there was a pre-installed screen protector as well as preinstalled protectors on the back, top and bottom of the phone, all preinstalled ideally and by Samsung. This is a huge plus for me as I didn't need to buy any screen protector and the phone was protected from all sides. I always use Spiegen cases and the phone fitted in perfectly.
I removed the bottom protector recently as it peeled off a little and was annoying but all other protectors are still installed. Also the main screen protector developed a small bubble recently. Not a big deal but a bit annoying.
All worked flawlessly, out of the box - I popped in my UK sim card and it just worked.
Pretty much every feature works: 5G, VoLTE, WiFi calling, Samsung Pay (it does have Chinese promos though), Hiyya spam call filter. No bloatware installed.
The only thing that I didn't like is that stock Samsung Keyboard is different from Exynos version and much less comfortable as it is adapted to Chinese layout. So I had to install a 3rd party keyboard for the first time in 6 years.
Everything else works as expected, no Chinese symbols in any app, menus, etc. All is in English.
Also, no green tint or camera fog issue. No dead pixels.
I am not a gamer so can't tell anything about gaming but the phone itself works really well, no heating issues or micro lags. All just works and benchmark scores also match other Snapdragon Notes.
If you go with this device, bear in mind it has slower updates than Exynos version. Also, the camera seems to be a little better on Exynos as some people reported. For me, the camera is great, especially 5x optical zoom and 10x hybrid zoom in videos and photos. Its a killer feature.
I was a bit disappointed that there is no 2x-4x optical zoom. I thought everything up to 5x is optical but this is not correct - only 5x is optical, everything below and above is digital. Also bear in mind optical zoom and ultra wide mode don't work in 60fps video mode and 104mpx photo mode, only in 12mpx/30fps mode. I couldn't find a difference between 104mpx and 12mpx though, moreover, 12mpx looks better for me.
All in all I can't fault this device and definitely recommend it. Its a great phone and Wonda's service was really good.
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What sim card are you using.
How did you get 5G, VoLTE, WiFi calling, all to work?
FWIW I bought my N9860 from T-Dimension in the UK. Price is lower than Wonda and delivery took nine days, but otherwise the experience is as above. I can't test for 5G service with my SIMs as none support 5G. Word is that Vodafone should be OK, but EE 5G is not working. There is a separate thread on this topic.
Members app was Hong Kong oriented on arrival, but is now behaving more like UK. No beta sign-up possible though.
Hows the battery life how long does it last between charges
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Hows the battery life how long does it last between charges
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I typically charge my phone up while powered down overnight every night but with my set up and preferences I'd easily get two days usage.