Just wondering how all of you are finding battery life on CM7 (or possibly other AOSP based ROMs)
One of the main reasons I decided to ditch Sense 3.5 and use CM7 was the battery gain (as Sense is known to be a heavy resource hog)
The speed is amazing. Much faster than Sense, no doubt.
But I'll be honest. I'm not too impressed so far. Battery seems to be more or less the same for me on CM7 as on Sense ROMs. I thought many people said it was better?!
I was using Endymion Sense ROM 3.2 before.
What about everyone else? Is battery life for you good or bad on CM7?
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olyloh6696 said:
Just wondering how all of you are finding battery life on CM7 (or possibly other AOSP based ROMs)
One of the main reasons I decided to ditch Sense 3.5 and use CM7 was the battery gain (as Sense is known to be a heavy resource hog)
The speed is amazing. Much faster than Sense, no doubt.
But I'll be honest. I'm not too impressed so far. Battery seems to be more or less the same for me on CM7 as on Sense ROMs. I thought many people said it was better?!
I was using Endymion Sense ROM 3.2 before.
What about everyone else? Is battery life for you good or bad on CM7?
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Say what you may oly... There are only two ways to go for you... I've been there and done that... And I know how you use your phone... It's either going to be Endymion or ICS for you. Nothing else will keep you happy!!! It's only a matter of time before you restore that nandroid!!! Lol. Wanna bet?
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I found the same with cm7. People kept going on about amazing battery life and I got about a day. But yeah I think enigmaamit is right
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Thanks guys!
Damn you read my mind, enigmaamit hehe!
Was just considering that!
Well how do you personally find it?
If my memory serves me right, I recall you telling me when you were on MIUI (CM7 based) you got better battery life than Endymion?
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CM7 increased my battery life quite alot. I usually get 2-3 days out of it. I think that the main advantage to CM7 is that it turns off my wireless when I'm not using my phone, which saves alot of battery drain.
olyloh6696 said:
Thanks guys!
Damn you read my mind, enigmaamit hehe!
Was just considering that!
Well how do you personally find it?
If my memory serves me right, I recall you telling me when you were on MIUI (CM7 based) you got better battery life than Endymion?
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Oly, battery consumption figures will only differ significantly between good ROMs in their sleep state, and not really that much during the "awake" state. What i mean is that if a ROM is properly compiled, and there is no undue drain element, then most ROMs have a relatively stable, characteristic baseline battery drain, which usually remains constant for that ROM.
You have to remember that the difference between battery life of any ROM stems from 3 main variables, if app usage (games etc) and call usage are kept constant...and these are :
1) Active Radio Stacks : Network [Signal strength, Data type (3G>2G>WiFi)]; Bluetooth; GPS
2) Screen (On time and Brightness)
3) Data Traffic (Auto-Sync, polling frequency and net data transferred)
and maybe add Sensor polling frequency to the above (light sensor, proximity sensor, accelerometer, etc - i do not have conclusive evidence how much these affect the battery actually)
So if you do not use a phone too much, and it is in sleep state most of the time, the overall battery consumption values, and consequently the battery life, for different ROMs may differ significantly. But if you start using your phone, with apps launching, screen on, data traffic, etc... there is not much difference there...all ROMs will eventually die within a couple of hours of each other with normal usage (provided you dont mess around with CPU clockspeeds)
So when people report insanely high battery life like 6 days (on CM, etc), it's all mostly spent in sleep (confirmed by analyzing the screen-shots of their battery graph, looking for "awake" and "screen on" states)
With Endymion, I've realized that Sense is no longer the kind of battery guzzler it has had the misfortune of being labelled previously. It gives me a sleep state drain of 6-9 mA. MIUI has always given me a sleep drain of around 5-8 mA, and i don't really care for CM drain, as it looks too.....eh ugly. (No disrespect to CM users... but GB is not ICS, and it does look kinda retarded after using Sense and MIUI) So eventually, all of them get me through to the end of my typical day. But even if there is only 10% battery remaining on the Sense ROM, 15% on MIUI and 20% on the CM, what good will it do me? I still need to charge all of them at night to meet my requirements for the next day of regular use!
If you use your phone like a smartphone is meant to be use, you WILL run out of battery by the evening, so get into the habit of top-up charging. And if you want to use it as a paperweight....does it really matter how many days it can go without a charge? What's the point?
P.S. : BTW Oly, Congrats on the new Advent Vega!!
Cheers enigmaamit!!!
I really appreciate your lengthy explanation! I sort of understand where your coming from too
I end up charging my phone every night too, so I guess it doesn't make much of a difference whether my battery is 10%, or 20% on either ROM
I remember feeling like you at first about CM. It is ugly, Gingerbread lacks the Polish on ICS
However with a little tweaking, it can become a beautiful UI
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Here is my current set up I think it looks nice IMO! !
As you can see it quite themeable like MIUI, with the built I'm Theme Chooser App. I have given it a sense look
I think in standby usage, CM has better battery life than Sense, although, I haven't done any battery measurements so far!
Haha, what make you think I got a Advent Vega?
Haven't got it yet, but I'm looking to get one!!
They are dirt cheap At the moment, going for £129 here in UK.
They are awesome! It can run ICS and Honeycomb, and its dualcore 10"
Fantastic!
Cheers buddy!
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Cheers enigmaamit!!!
I remember feeling like you at first about CM. It is ugly, Gingerbread lacks the Polish on ICS
However with a little tweaking, it can become a beautiful UI
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Here is my current set up I think it looks nice IMO! !
As you can see it quite themeable like MIUI, with the built I'm Theme Chooser App. I have given it a sense look
I think in standby usage, CM has better battery life than Sense, although, I haven't done any battery measurements so far!
Haha, what make you think I got a Advent Vega?
Haven't got it yet, but I'm looking to get one!!
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So let me see.... You take CM, then load up a gazillion themes and third party apps and widgets and finally make CM look like....let me guess, SENSE!!!
But it's still CM right? And when you see a slightly better looking Sense-like app or widget, you download and install it, right? To take it that one step closer to actual sense...? Why i'm sayin all this Oly, is because i've already jumped through these hoops a long time ago... There is nothing like SENSE. If you like CM/Stock GB look, you'll never bother to load it up to look like sense. But if you are trying to make and AOSP look like Sense, it means YOU WANT SENSE! And since you are lucky enough to own an HTC device, just use the real damn thing, man!!
CM should look like CM, and Sense should look like the visual orgasm that it is... (just my opinion) - at least for HTC device owners. For the other poor souls out there with the Sammys and LGs and what not, i can understand them trying to shave their balls and get all sense-shiny, but we are the chosen ones with the choice to use the Original thing! Have you ever wondered why everyone wants to port Sense to non-HTC devices, despite epic failures? How practically all launchers in the market have so many Sense-like themes? It's because those who can't have it, want it bad... And it's just not the visual bit...Sense is actually more intuitive than anything i've ever come across on a phone (toughest competition being MIUI)
Of course that's all just a matter of opinion. But it does make Sense. [snicker, snicker]
I just take the short route and just use SENSE itself !! LoL
P.S. : You had mentioned in passing about wanting to get the Vega some time ago... and yesterday on your profile page, it said you were viewing the Advent Vega General forum, so i thought you'd have gotten one by now. Quite a bit of Sherlock Holmes down the drain!! [facepalm]
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So let me see.... You take CM, then load up a gazillion themes and third party apps and widgets and finally make CM look like....let me guess, SENSE!!!
But it's still CM right? And when you see a slightly better looking Sense-like app or widget, you download and install it, right? To take it that one step closer to actual sense...? Why i'm sayin all this Oly, is because i've already jumped through these hoops a long time ago... There is nothing like SENSE. If you like CM/Stock GB look, you'll never bother to load it up to look like sense. But if you are trying to make and AOSP look like Sense, it means YOU WANT SENSE! And since you are lucky enough to own an HTC device, just use the real damn thing, man!!
CM should look like CM, and Sense should look like the visual orgasm that it is... (just my opinion) - at least for HTC device owners. For the other poor souls out there with the Sammys and LGs and what not, i can understand them trying to shave their balls and get all sense-shiny, but we are the chosen ones with the choice to use the Original thing! Have you ever wondered why everyone wants to port Sense to non-HTC devices, despite epic failures? How practically all launchers in the market have so many Sense-like themes? It's because those who can't have it, want it bad... And it's just not the visual bit...Sense is actually more intuitive than anything i've ever come across on a phone (toughest competition being MIUI)
Of course that's all just a matter of opinion. But it does make Sense. [snicker, snicker]
I just take the short route and just use SENSE itself !! LoL
P.S. : You had mentioned in passing about wanting to get the Vega some time ago... and yesterday on your profile page, it said you were viewing the Advent Vega General forum, so i thought you'd have gotten one by now. Quite a bit of Sherlock Holmes down the drain!! [facepalm]
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Damn man, haha!!
Your tempting me to go back to Sense!!
Very good point there, that HTC devices are unique with Sense...
Maybe I should go back afterall...?
The Sense UI is just too pretty
Here was my CM look a day before loaded the Sense Theme.
Less Sense like. But after a day on CM7, I went back and installed Sense theme with sense replacement Widgets
You made a really good point... damn... decisions.... back to sense or not
My real plus for CM though is the inherited speed. My phone feels like its young and reborn. Multitasking is like silk. Sense is very pretty, but unfortunately not as fast as AOSP.
However, I am finding each day I'm missing elements of Sense, particularly the fast boot option!
Hehe, yeah I was browsing the Vega forums yesterday, I was checking out some of the new ICS ROMs!
If you love Sense so much, is pure ICS a different story for you? That's why your using it?
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If you love Sense so much, is pure ICS a different story for you? That's why your using it?
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I'm using ICS because i like to be on the bleeding edge of things.
It helps me foster my tech hobby and teaches me more about new stuff everyday, and consequently, i can put in more input into the forum. And i like to see the look on my buddies' faces when i show them ICS casually (they're mostly doctors you see....a dumb lot when it comes to all things binary )
I am not averse to trying out new stuff Oly...if you remember, i've always led you (and a couple more unsuspecting buddies like det) into temptation with my vociferous praise and rave reviews of ROMs like the MIUI and early ICS betas. I know i don't like CM because i made that decision after flashing it and running it for a couple of days... As for ICS, i like to keep pace with the development of a new OS on my phone. (It's just too cool to miss!!). I've even tried Lowveld's nihilistically christened "Reaper" today...and while it's all good and speedy, i don't want to test fire a deep space probe using my phone, so the speed that Endymion offers me is plenty.
All things said and done, no matter how promiscuous i've been all day, in the end I find myself coming home to Sense (Endymion, to be specific)
enigmaamit said:
I'm using ICS because i like to be on the bleeding edge of things.
It helps me foster my tech hobby and teaches me more about new stuff everyday, and consequently, i can put in more input into the forum. And i like to see the look on my buddies' faces when i show them ICS casually (they're mostly doctors you see....a dumb lot when it comes to all things binary )
I am not averse to trying out new stuff Oly...if you remember, i've always led you (and a couple more unsuspecting buddies like det) into temptation with my vociferous praise and rave reviews of ROMs like the MIUI and early ICS betas. I know i don't like CM because i made that decision after flashing it and running it for a couple of days... As for ICS, i like to keep pace with the development of a new OS on my phone. (It's just too cool to miss!!). I've even tried Lowveld's nihilistically christened "Reaper" today...and while it's all good and speedy, i don't want to test fire a deep space probe using my phone, so the speed that Endymion offers me is plenty.
All things said and done, no matter how promiscuous i've been all day, in the end I find myself coming home to Sense (Endymion, to be specific)
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Fair enough
I guess I'll just stick around with CM7 for a bit longer...
If I ever want to return to Endymion I'm just a NANDroid Restore away
And battery life looks to be more promising for me today.
I guess mobile data really is a battery killer.
I'm using WiFi moderately today, and battery seems much better!
How about it CM9 is available...?
Will you ever use that?
It'll be like any other ICS ROM, but with endless amount of tweaks.
Cheers mate!
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Fair enough
I guess I'll just stick around with CM7 for a bit longer...
If I ever want to return to Endymion I'm just a NANDroid Restore away
And battery life looks to be more promising for me today.
I guess mobile data really is a battery killer.
I'm using WiFi moderately today, and battery seems much better!
How about it CM9 is available...?
Will you ever use that?
It'll be like any other ICS ROM, but with endless amount of tweaks.
Cheers mate!
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We shall see....!!
Always a pleasure talking to you buddy. Ciao.
Cm7 has variable battery life depending on kernel n governor. With the same use pattern I've had best battery out of 7.1 with tiamet n smartass v2.
But even with 7.2 and interactive then ondemand governors I get better life than sense. I've used stock, endy, lbc etc
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Cm7 has variable battery life depending on kernel n governor. With the same use pattern I've had best battery out of 7.1 with tiamet n smartass v2.
But even with 7.2 and interactive then ondemand governors I get better life than sense. I've used stock, endy, lbc etc
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Cheers!
Yeah, I'm using stable CM7.1, tiamat kernel, and smartass2
Seems better than when I first made this thread now. Ibthink the battery has calibrated itself now and is getting slightly better.
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Please help enigmaamit for the right selection between ics (Quattro) or miui weekly or sense(endymion v3.3). Thanks in advance
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Hi Raj.
Unfortunately, there is no correct answer to that question... I am not you, and consequently, my choice of ROM may not be the best one for you (Hell, i myself keep changing my ROMs more often than most people change socks!!) However, if you want a friendly advice, i have the following to say to you :
If you're new to flashing, and need your phone for daily use, i recommend you wait before flashing ICS till a fully functional ROM is released.
As for MIUI, i would again advise you to wait for MIUI v4 but still, you can flash the current one, which is still an excellent ROM, especially if you are into theming a lot... as the theming capabilities in MIUI are insane!! MIUI is basically a very good ROM with the UI specifically designed to be modded to infinity...so you'll never get bored theming it. Also it's an excellent ROM even if you just want a functional ROM and are not so much into theming... There are features like the excellent in-built file manger, lockscreen mods, the best FM Radio i have found in any ROM, etc...which you just won't find anywhere else, at least not at the level of sophistication that MIUI has managed! It is a very good all-round package, with many exclusive properties.
There is another option, the AOSP CyanogenMod 7 series, which is basically pure Android 2.3.7 muscle, minus the bloat. Undiluted vanilla Gingerbread experience. To quote a friend of mine - "CM is for power users with endless customizations with the powerful CM7 settings. Seriously. The possibilities are endless." Choose this if performance is your only addiction, and you can also modify the looks on this, although to a much lesser degree as compared to MIUI (NOTHING can touch MIUI when it comes to theming ). It's the fastest and lightest family of Android ROMs available today, and the speed and battery life are supposed to be benchmark standards for other ROMs. While there was only the main CM branch available to us until a few days ago, the options available have recently shot up, thanks to devs like shrome and Sir Lowveld (yeah, that one's special!), who have come up with a port (BlackIce) and a whole new ROM (Reaper) respectively for the Desire S...
As for Sense, there are a ton of Sense ROMs to choose from... but the idea of using Sense is a little different. It is about balance. Excellent functionality, loads of character, and killer looks, all in a stable framework. It is basically the most intuitive Android experience i have personally come across. It's like the phone actually understands what you want... it's so easy to use and completely noob-friendly. You can use it right out of the box, without even having to configure anything yourself. Sense is not just a UI...it's a philosophy. It's the way you and your phone communicate. And it's unmatched by anything else on any device or OS out there. But then again, the trade-off is that you have to pretty much use it as it is, without too many "on-the-fly" customization options (although with the new additions like RCMIX Tweaks [and derivatives thereof] and the Endymion Control Centre, that is changing rapidly), and modifications have to be done at recovery-restart level, something all users may not be very comfortable with... It's better to choose the look that you like (Endymion - Stock (with optional theme manager integrated, Coredroid - A Blue-tinged custom ROM, BinDroid - With heavily modded custom looks, etc), and then let it "settle" on you for some time. If you still want me to call out names, and you just want a stable, irritation-free experience, then from personal bias, i'd advise you to go for Endymion...
But the best way to decide which ROM is most compatible with you, is to use them all! Each has its strengths and weaknesses, and none of these ROMs is perfect. Use all of them! Stay on each ROM for a couple of days, let the ROM settle-in a little, and then decide which one you want to use on a daily basis.
Go ahead, experiment. Find your perfect match!
And then maybe give long boring answers to questions like these!!
Yeah, agree with you there!
Although you forgot to mention that CM is for power users with endless customizations with the powerful CM7 settings. Seriously. The possibilities aare endless
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olyloh6696 said:
Yeah, agree with you there!
Although you forgot to mention that CM is for power users with endless customizations with the powerful CM7 settings. Seriously. The possibilities aare endless
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Alrighty sir... post edited and your new-found love for all things AOSP put up for a grand display!!
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Alrighty sir... post edited and your new-found love for all things AOSP put up for a grand display!!
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Hehe, thanks
Its true though
Aren't you currently using ReaperMod ATM anyway? (CM based)
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Hehe, thanks
Its true though
Aren't you currently using ReaperMod ATM anyway? (CM based)
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Yeah, i am...but i'm schizophrenic man!! I keep jumping all over the ROM scene. It's my drug, my poison...and i enjoy the choice!!
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TB is my very first android, and i have come a long way, but maybe not long enough
as i can not for the life of me understand why everyone nut over the rom dubbed as cm7?
why???
I have been on almost single rom on the TB, and countless updates on each of them..
what is so special about CM7? do you prefer running linux?? why not run windows 3.1 on your quad core computers?
is it nostalgic?? or does it simply remind you of your ex girlfriend that you loved?
I know the dev team for the CM7 works very hard but so does every other dev.
So is it because cyanogen mod are simply better developers, and with their code other devs could build their rom with their findings..
i need to know, in order to get to the promise land
I guess some people hate anything other than stock android. But tbh I can't stand stock android. It is so boring and not polished.sense is so nice. But cyanogenmod is really fast and responsive. And battery life is a factor
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i'm sure a full fledged cm7 has good battery life.
not the current one. everything else seems to have better battery life
Its not bloated with extra crap. I love sense but to me CM7 always seems to be the fastest rom I run on my TB. It started out really popular with the TB because it was the only way for people to get gingerbread on their TB. It has grown so much and is finally, in my opinion nearly perfect. Its been a great trip and people have stayed with it till now and it has been well worth the wait. Stock android(for the most part) is a nice breath of fresh air.
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I guess some people hate anything other than stock android. But tbh I can't stand stock android. It is so boring and not polished.sense is so nice. But cyanogenmod is really fast and responsive. And battery life is a factor
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It's not really stock android. It's close, but there's many improvements that work well with the system. OMFGB is much more vanilla than CM7. It's also 100% opensource (unlike sense roms and aosp roms like miui) which is useful if you care about more than the rom because you like to hack around on the source and don't trust certain roms like miui (no offense, but I am not using a rom made by chinese with no source given, just too creepy for me as far as how much control you are giving them aside from the fact they give back nothing to the community).
For the OP's information, there's plenty of information out there (including articles on wired and many screen casts on youtube) about CM7, besides their own site/wiki/forums/irc channel
there is much about cm7 that you don't know.
start here for a very small list of features... http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about/features
but this list barely scratches the surface. none of my favorite features are even listed here, and the cyanogen settings menu has literally hundreds (thousands?) of additional modifications you can make to your device.
i flashed cm7 for the first time about a month ago, and i won't ever be able to run sense again. i've been converted
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there is much about cm7 that you don't know about.
start here for a very small list of features... http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about/features
but this list barely scratches the surface. none of my favorite features are even listed here, and the cyanogen settings menu has literally hundreds of additional modifications you can make to your device.
i flashed cm7 for the first time about a month ago, and i won't ever be able to run sense again. i've been converted
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yeah tons of features you only wish other roms had most of the time. I love the media track skip via the volume buttons with the screen off (similar to what blackberry does). Makes it way easier to switch songs or repeat one when you are running.
Its cause we want android without all the battery hogging and performance issues associated with crap like motoblur, sense, touchwiz etc. Plus cm7 has so much more features than being basically a asop rom. Its provides a lot of customization with your phone, which is what andrioid is all about.
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Everything just works on CM7. I can use wimotes for my emulators.
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I like the simplicity of stock-ish Android and all the tweaks and customizations CM offers. Sense is nice and all but way too heavy for my enjoyment.
I've only used CM7 on my nook color and was very impressed by its responsiveness and options. I heard of using Android OS's with overlapping UI but I figured this would only hamper on the overall user experience. I'm def open to different versions of Android for tablets. Any suggestions?
Hello my name is _________, and I'm addicted to CM7..............
Another cool factor is that it's available for so many different phones. I had CM7 on my EVO with Sprint. When I got my Thunderbolt I immediately rooted it and flashed CM7. There is a CM7 build for every major carrier in the U.S., So as long as you chose a supported phone your not stuck with some crappy user interface or an older version of Android. The main reason I chose the Thunderbolt over other Verizon 4G phones was that there was a CM7 ROM for it, but then again I'm an addict.
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Everything just works on CM7. I can use wimotes for my emulators.
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really? Then why are there all these threads about what is broken on cm7?
to prove my point of cm7 not being all that great on the thunderbolt, from page 1 of the thunderbolt general forums right now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185757
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185459
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163043
Some of my favorite features:
- skip tracks w/vol keys
- swipe notification bar to adjust brightness
- lockscreen gestures
- custom long press home/menu/search options
- long press back to kill current app
- hundreds of themes easily switched via Theme Chooser
- incoming calls in background when screen on
- permission management
- any app to sd
- built in performance and overclocking settings
...just to name a few. The real question is why do so many people have such a deep hatred of CM7? If you don't like the ROM you don't like it. Why make such a big stink out of it? If others want to like it then let them be
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i remember putting CM on the first phone i rooted, the MyTouch 3G... and it was the only one i ever used on that phone. This time around, i've experimented and tried out just about every single ROM for the TB. This time i would say that Synergy is my fav only because i managed to get better battery life with it then CM7(and its overclocked).
that plus, i know its ridiculous but i prefer for the green light to come on when the battery is at 100%, not 90%(yes i know that's just how AOSP ROMs are). im just use to going "oh green light, time to unplug".
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Some of my favorite features:
- skip tracks w/vol keys
- swipe notification bar to adjust brightness
- lockscreen gestures
- custom long press home/menu/search options
- long press back to kill current app
- hundreds of themes easily switched via Theme Chooser
- incoming calls in background when screen on
- permission management
- any app to sd
- built in performance and overclocking settings
...just to name a few. The real question is why do so many people have such a deep hatred of CM7? If you don't like the ROM you don't like it. Why make such a big stink out of it? If others want to like it then let them be
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who says we hate cm7? I just said it wasn't the best thunderbolt ROM. It's quite buggy as far as cm7 builds go.
I guess my point is that if this is your first time using cm7, would you be defending it as much.
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who says we hate cm7? I just said it wasn't the best thunderbolt ROM. It's quite buggy as far as cm7 builds go.
I guess my point is that if this is your first time using cm7, would you be defending it as much.
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Like I said, if you like it you like it. If you don't you don't. Starting threads calling out a particular ROM seems a little haterish.
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Like I said, if you like it you like it. If you don't you don't. Starting threads calling out a particular ROM seems a little haterish.
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I think he was just looking for pros and cons of the ROM more than calling it out.
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"CM7 Sucks!"
I rarely use CM, but I think it is a really good ROM, with a good team behind it. Also, basically anyone who is into rooting/romming/modding their Android phone owes something to the CM team, in one way or another. I personally don't like it because, and this is hard to explain, it is almost too good. Lol. It feels like a stock, out-of-box software. I know there are tons of settings, and it runs great often times, but it just lacks the pizazz that I'm looking for. Not like overly flashy drag your phone down kinda stuff, but just a little something extra.
That being said, I, again, really appreciate the rom. I am currently using it on my Thunderbolt until we get some ROMs based off of the OTA if it ever comes, and have also used it on my D1 and Incredible.
I know with ROMs it really comes down to personall opinion.. so what's your personal opinion, go with CM7 or insertCoin, an why did you pick what you picked!
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I know with ROMs it really comes down to personall opinion.. so what's your personal opinion, go with CM7 or insertCoin, an why did you pick what you picked!
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whenever i wanna use sense its insertcoin and CM7 when i dont wanna. i suggest using IC if you dont wanna deal with all these bugs that are present in CM7 because its only an alpha. Im not saying that CM7 isnt usable, but you might not be satisfied with some missing features
Try both, do a backup, you can always come back. I am running cm7.
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i was on ARHD and im about to flash IC.. im just too new to try CM7, maybe later.
I stick with IC because baad's releases are generally very stable and he's crazy quick to fix stuff when things aren't working. Plus his rom is as fast as any out there. I do play with the CM7 releases but find myself missing some sense stuff like the camera, keyboard, general ease of customization and proper sizing of wallpaper.
I guess CM7 is supposed to be fast, but I really haven't missed much speed with any of the sense roms tbh. As long as I can play the occasional game and emulate PSX smoothly, I really don't care if sense is running in the background and "hogging up resources".
Can i have a link on both CM7 and IC for 2.3.3 Sensation thanks!
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Can i have a link on both CM7 and IC for 2.3.3 Sensation thanks!
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Go to dev forum and find them. It isn't so hard. Or if you can't, use the search function
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It's all personal preference when it comes down to it. Sense vs. Vanilla. Honestly, I was missing Sense a lot when I switched over to CM7 a few days ago, but the only thing I really miss is the camera, and now I just replaced it with Vignette. If you need the Sense stuff then I'd say go with InsertCoin (I've never used it. I was on ARHD before I went to CM7). I don't really see any of the bugs that people are talking about for CM7 other than not being able to record 1080p without it rebooting on you. One thing I did find though is that my battery meter isn't exact and it's kind of annoying me and I can't figure out how to fix it.
Try both, and do nandroid backups. I'd say a day or two on both and you'll know which one you want.
Depends on your preferences. If you like have all the sense goodies you can flash the IC right now, expecially the new sense3.5 version is really stable and fast, else if you like have an android stock experience with low impact on your device resources and an incredible high responsive system CM7 is the way to go.
This said, i must underline the fact that in CM7 there are some thing that must be tuned up and are sightly less enjoyable and pratical compared to the Sense rom's equivalent sector. EG: the camera in CM7 does really bad when it comes to some shot that goes beyond the typical photo, and the addition of the touch to focus in the last version is not enough to close the gap, and this occurs also in social integration and some other aspect.
Generally i choose a sense rom, but i remove al the bloatware (watch, locations in primis) with TitaniumBackup and i'm just fine. With the last IC i have 190mb of RAM free in idle, and a surprisingly responsive phone, wich is great for me.
PS: i hope my english is good enough, it is some time i don't practice it up now
I am a bit new to all this. Have rooted my sensation. Looking forward using IC roms!
stanleynhan said:
whenever i wanna use sense its insertcoin and CM7 when i dont wanna. i suggest using IC if you dont wanna deal with all these bugs that are present in CM7 because its only an alpha. Im not saying that CM7 isnt usable, but you might not be satisfied with some missing features
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CM7 is basically bug free. If it were any other CM dev it'd be classified as an RC...
What are "all the bugs"?
I alternate alot between incertcoin and cm7 I just can't decide I love them both. It depends on what you like.
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Now which ROM between the two, is the way to go for speeds?
And what are the pros and Cons of each of the 2, IN YOUR OPINION!
For speed ? I would say cm7 with out a doubt
Pros about cm7. Nice interface, minimalistic design, fast, snappy ,cm7 theme chooser, Cyanogenmod settings! Close to stock and very light
Cons- still has a few bugs. Dialer ,camera
Bland compared to sense
Ic pros- has Sense , is really smooth and plenty fast for most, camera ,dialer , lockscreen,nice widgets and ui ,keyboard ,might have beats depending on the Rom you get, some other HTC apps. Nice animations and effects.
Cons- its quite heavy so not as snappy as cm7 but insert coin is really smooth.
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I've tried both and I can say I prefer IC, But after all it really comes to what features you want from your phone, I really recommend you to try both or even other great roms that are offered on XDA.
I personally prefer Sense 3.5 (Therefor IC) because of the awesome widgets and how they integrate with the system.
If you are looking for speed and speed only my advice is go and flash CM7 right now. But, if you care something about social integration, camera, better ui/animation and a set of truely useful and integrated widgets take some time on the IC and judge if it's fast enough for you
Or you can use boot manager and have the best of both worlds.
I have a 3D, but since the sensation is very similar I could honestly say cm would fly on you guys device. Not trying to be bias but on another note I think that AOSP is more healthier for are phones.
私の"DU4L C0R3 SH00T3Rは"³Dであなたを撃墜!トゥパックをねじ込みます 。
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I'd choose CM7 because I'm used to it.
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Or you can use boot manager and have the best of both worlds.
I have a 3D, but since the sensation is very similar I could honestly say cm would fly on you guys device. Not trying to be bias but on another note I think that AOSP is more healthier for are phones.
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You're probably right, but no one can make me give up my Sense.
I, I love my Sense like a love song, baby. And I keep hittin repeat peat peat peat peat
CM7 is quick, but that's like saying u slept with the uglier chick because she was skinnier.
Praos of CM7 are that it's fast, consistent, and backed with high qual developers with stringent standards.
Cons are that all of these CM7 devs are so Spartan in their barebones approach that the phone is lacking in some areas. Not having a full functioning camera that can record hd vid was a dealbreaker for me. I also found that I missed the Sense keyboard.
I had CM7 on my Sensation for one day. It was very fast, especially the boot time was very short.
The interface is ok, but not as nice as Sense. I love Sense, although it is not that fast, i dont know. As I had several reboots with CM7, I switched so the new Stock with Sense 3.5.
Later, when Lee is back, I will go back to LeeDroid. Had there some random reboots, too. Hopefully he adds Sense 3.5
I am sure some a gearing up on the ICS roms but over all there just doesnt seem to be a whole lot out there for the phone as far as roms go. I completely respect the work that has been done and am certainly grateful! However...my G2 seemed like it had a new rom out everyday with so many options to choose from. Maybe it just felt that way because it was my first Android phone but honestly I still visit those forums and see new roms coming out. For the Sensation they all seem the same with very minimal tweaks to the device. Are we still waiting on something or is this phone left in the dust with all the new phones(amaze, SGSS2, etc. etc. )? Just wanted a most likely more informed opinion then my own
What more can this phone do it will match any newer phone out. There is only so much u can do on a phone and most roms are at a stable state so there is nothing left to add. We still see a couple roms updated a week which isn't baf.its just slowed because there is nothing else to add all the roms have everything already
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I guess it's just me then. I just don't feel like I've found THE rom. Everyone seems to have something missing or just off a little. I just know with my G2 I was able to find a couple that I was more then content with. (I know STFU and go back to your G2 then) I love the Sensation...just looking for that happy medium that I haven't quite found yet I guess.
I think you have to look better. There is still much development going on, many ROMs out there. In the last days there have not been many updates, as there were no new leaks from HTC or from anywhere. But the kernel devs are still developing like hell.
For me my ROM is very stable, I don't miss anything what could be done on ROM-base. So why updates, updates and updates? Never change a winning team
After testing a lot of ROMs, most of them are already quite stable... Don't think there's much to work on. It's a good thing no?
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I am sure some a gearing up on the ICS roms but over all there just doesnt seem to be a whole lot out there for the phone as far as roms go. I completely respect the work that has been done and am certainly grateful! However...my G2 seemed like it had a new rom out everyday with so many options to choose from. Maybe it just felt that way because it was my first Android phone but honestly I still visit those forums and see new roms coming out. For the Sensation they all seem the same with very minimal tweaks to the device. Are we still waiting on something or is this phone left in the dust with all the new phones(amaze, SGSS2, etc. etc. )? Just wanted a most likely more informed opinion then my own
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I guess you haven't heard about ics source being out and a rom. being developed right now for it?
I'd say it's pretty far from being dead... There are some pretty good ROM options out there... InsertCoin, Android Revolution HD...which really make the device shine on a whole new level... And something brand new comes along every week or 2...
I guess if you're looking to download a new ROM every day, you might consider it dead...but then again, who'd want to switch ROMs every day? I, for once, am content with the current plateau...it lets me actually USE my phone...rather than keeping it plugged in and flashing/reflashing all the time...
Anyway, stay tuned...
Well, developement isn't dead, but it's booooring as hell compared to what Desire was/is. That's the problem with having current high end phone, there isn't much stuff to port.
It just look boring because most of the roms are the same as in sense 3.5 wich cant be fully theme yet. Almost every rom is stock sense 3.5, thats why i`m still on sense 3.0 because it can be fully customize. Nobody is trying to make their roms look different like on the desire forum and other forums. There can be many sense 3.5 roms but if they all look different than it will look like a lot of developement is going on but because they look the same makes it look like nothing is going on.
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I guess it's just me then. I just don't feel like I've found THE rom. Everyone seems to have something missing or just off a little. I just know with my G2 I was able to find a couple that I was more then content with. (I know STFU and go back to your G2 then) I love the Sensation...just looking for that happy medium that I haven't quite found yet I guess.
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There is a rooted stock ROM, there are about 4 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 based ROMs with full Sense UI, there are two direct CM7 ports, there are at least 2 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 with some or all Sense UI components stripped.
I really don't know what you're expecting. We have basically everything you could hope for at this point.
If you don't mind going without Sense, I highly recommend HyperSensation, as I've seen between 14-25hrs of battery life on a single charge depending on usage (14hrs being with constant, heavy usage and long phone calls over 3G).
While ROM development has certainly slowed down, the kernel devs are still releasing betas every couple of days, which in my opinion is more exciting because the kernel side has a more direct effect on speed and battery life.
I'd say just find a stable build and run with it while we wait for ICS stuffs to be released.
By the way, have you checked out the MiUI build that MiUI.us is putting out there? It is by far my favorite rom to use (yes you can theme it to NOT look like an iPhone lol) and it's fast with excellent battery life. The only thing that keeps me from making it my daily is the need for a good camera with full HD recording, which Scott and TD are actively working on. I have two young kids under 2 years old, so I kind of need that stuff haha.
For what it's worth, my daily now is ARHD 3.6.7 with Faux's 0.2.5.5. Excellent stability, speed and battery life so far has been awesome.
Since ICS source is out I doubt any Devs would continue work on Gingerbread based ROMs. The reason Desire has more development is all the Sense 2.5+ ROMs are ports and so require fixing and more development. Since Senny is a stock Sense 3 phone there is nothing that can be added that aint already been done.
Once ICS development gets going we will see more ICS stock ROMS.
ICS will be better on Sensation. +trolface+
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There is a rooted stock ROM, there are about 4 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 based ROMs with full Sense UI, there are two direct CM7 ports, there are at least 2 Sense 3.5/Android 2.3.7 with some or all Sense UI components stripped.
I really don't know what you're expecting. We have basically everything you could hope for at this point.
If you don't mind going without Sense, I highly recommend HyperSensation, as I've seen between 14-25hrs of battery life on a single charge depending on usage (14hrs being with constant, heavy usage and long phone calls over 3G).
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While I agree this phone isn't completely dead, you should look at some other phones out there. The vibrant for example or desire have had and still have more and more diversified roms. Most of our sensation roms are just sense over and over again. Anyway just my 2 cents.
sent from my Sensation 4G
All the kernel & themes Development keeps my Sensation busy! Until a new cool rom comes along....
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While I agree this phone isn't completely dead, you should look at some other phones out there. The vibrant for example or desire have had and still have more and more diversified roms. Most of our sensation roms are just sense over and over again. Anyway just my 2 cents.
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Seems to be related to Sense being more popular on Sensation than other phones, in this case the users here lack interest in CM & AOSP & MIUI. There is some interest but that doesn't make up the majority of the users of Sensation; I find it quite odd since normally MIUI & Vanilla would have more users than the stock UIs(based on my past phone experiences). If people cared more for CM/MIUI/AOSP, then development may be much better, a new MIUI ROM would be made every week by TheDerekJay when I had MT4G, and I miss this kind of updating on my Sensation. Not to say devs here don't update, can't really say the rate of updates is equal IMO.
Ive enjoyed all the development that goes on for sensation. Was this thread posted before actually looking at the dev section??? 2 pages of roms are at least updated every 2 weeks
i have htc Sensation and the development
there r many roms running sense 3.0 / 3.5 but all of them resemble each
and the development for ICS it's slow in Sensation
there r many devices run ICS with working touch screen and every day have update .. last ICS update for ICS before 5 days and i think the rom not a flashable file
I bought the Sensation to replace my Desire, and it's true that I am a bit disappointed after the number of ROM available for Desire ... but Sensation's ROM are very good, I miss a really stable AOSP ROM and it could be perfect!
ROMs have gotten to the point where they are pretty much stable, what more can you ask for?
I think you'll start seeing things as HTC releases more for our devs to customize the ish out of.
Do you have a recommadation for a Rom for my phone that is fast, good battery life, stable.................
Do you want a nice GUI, or a basic GUI, do you want sense or AOSP? ..
You need to evaluate your question.
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Do you want a nice GUI, or a basic GUI, do you want sense or AOSP? ..
You need to evaluate your question.
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I just want to have a rom that I can relay on (speed, battery and stability). I like the rom's with SENSE 3,5 (I've heard that 4.0 its near). Naturally I want a nice GUI
You might like miui with the amount of customisation you can do on it. I prefer cyanogenmod because it's quick, has good battery life and i prefer the look of vanilla android. If you want looks over battery then go for sense. The battery on sense roms will probably last you around a day which is okay i suppose.
I definitely enjoy Runnymede S - nice GUI, reasonable battery life and perfect performance!
i've just flashed the latest cyanogenmod stable (7.1.0) and everything works straightaway. i recommend this rom!
Virtuous ROM. Smooth installation and very stable. Nice 3.5 Sense also. I highly recommend it.
Cyanogenmod only!
Every one will only ever recommend what they like themselves, only way for you to decide is to try a few and make your own mind up,. I'd clearly recommend the ROM that i'm on based on my signature
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium
As u like sense 3.5, I would Suggest you to for Runnymede S. It is the best rom with sense 3.5.
Sent from Desire Aj'S using XDA eXtra Premium App!
cyanogenmod 7.1 is definitely worth checking out. Fast, very customizable, sleek and excellent battery life with tiamat kernel.
I'd agree with ben_pyett though, you have nothing to lose since they are all free! DL the rom, flash it (and the right kernel) use it for a couple of days and move on, you'll soon have the one that you like the best.
Yeah. First of all u must decide on which type of rom more preferred- AOSP(CM7, etc) or sense
MIUI has the most polished look. Aside from a couple of bugs which will be removed in the coming updates, it is the best rom overall and battery life is decent too. Plus it hasn't crashed on me in 3 weeks of use. Not once.
Sent from my Desire S using XDA App
I have to say that I really like the look and feel of MIUI as well. The only downside is that it is impossible to 'hide' all the icons from the home screens. This really bugged me as all I want are a couple of basic widgets and then folders to the application I use, not the system ones the MIUI doesn't want me to hide away.
CyanogenMod is fast and slick, but still relatively early in development for the Desire S. If you can put up with the occasional hiccup then it is worth following the 'nightly' builds until you find a version that feels and acts perfect for you.
Other than that, have a look in the dev section and read the posts in thread for each ROM - normally a good way of finding out what problems there may be or what other people think of them in daily use.
MIUI is my daily driver, and it hasn't failed me too badly (I mean the Music app has its ups and downs but I ain't too bothered by that)
Besides that, I personally love the theming for MIUI as well
however you do have to find a ROM that suits you
and since you said Sense 3.5, I recommend checking out Runnymede S as I hear that gets some good reviews (I personally want Sense to die in a fire but ya know :V)
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Every one will only ever recommend what they like themselves, only way for you to decide is to try a few and make your own mind up,. I'd clearly recommend the ROM that i'm on based on my signature
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well you can try hyperion or endymion rom.
Whatever rom u go for or settle on, calibrating your battery is a good tip to maximize battery life
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
Thanks in advance for any help you fine chaps may (or may not!) provide.
Been lurking for quite a while. My brother rooted and put Cyanogen on my MyTouch3G about a year ago, and now that I'm on Senny for 60 days, I've about had it with the clutter and bloatware that came with the phone.
What I'm looking for:
- A sleek, sexy look. This will probably involve installing the ICS theme at some point.
- Minimalist. Seriously. I use like 20-25 apps. Maybe. If I don't use it, get it the hell off my phone.
- Good Camera. My phone is my social line. I take pictures of my cat, record idiots in the parking lot, and use it like a mirror all the frakkin time.
- Good Performance. Shouldn't need to be stated on a forum like this, but yes.
- Good Battery Life. Alas, the Stock Battery life has much to be desired of on the Sensation, but much can be fixed through a 1730 battery and judicious Modding.
What I'm not Looking for:
- The 2009 Android Look. Seriously. We're beyond that. Lockscreen Widgets, beautiful status bars, I need it, I want it. It's why I pay for a nice phone.
- So Barebones that I have to call a Bishop and pray to 7 saints in order to find settings or get to commonly used features.
Unfortunately, I think I'm going to have to part ways with HTC Sense. It's certainly a beautiful program. (I love the lock ring. I've embraced it and loved it since the first day. Goodbye, ring.) Unfortunately, many of you claim (and some others yet prove) that the Sense is a leech upon the Android system and needs to be purged. Up onto the altar now Sense. Yes. You. Shoo. Time for the sacrifice.
With that in mind, I've been recommended to use:
Reverted (The expansion on Xboarder's Mod). Looks interesting enough to try.
On the forums I've seen and have interest in:
HyperSensation
Cyanogen7 Basic
The drawbacks to the first is that it's still pretty deep in development it seems (Reverted, despite Xboarder's being pretty complete.) I also have heard that ADW Launcher has issues on it.
I'm intrigued by HyperSensation, but am not too keen on the theming styles for it.
I have experience with Cyanogen, but again, it's just the base that most people work from. Not the best necessarily, but stable and reliable.
Does anyone have any recommendations, thoughts, or advice, regarding a ROM that may suit my interests, or thoughts to persuade or dissuade me from my current three interests? I do this mostly to save time - I work in Retail at the moment, and being the Christmas season, I have little time to be fiddling around every night installing a different ROM.
Last, but not least. If I do find myself having to install different ROM's repeatedly, what's the best way to backup and restore my essential data between wipes? Can Titanium Free do everything I need?
Many thanks again, ladies, gentlemen, and newly self aware mechanical constructs!
I'd love to recommend one of the Sense ROMs but you said you are done with them. Perhaps a half-way point is to install one and then "de-sense" it. You get some of the better parts of things but have a lighter look and feel. In the dev section there are a number of ways to lighten the ROMs or you could just start flashing things like crazy Sense or not and see what sticks. I have two HTC Sensation 4Gs thanks to a mistake with tmobile so one runs CM7 alpha 10 and the other is now running InsertCoin (today). I've pretty much given in to the fact that the very first app I install is titanium backup and then I restore my apps. I also do nandroid backups very often so I have a known place to get back to.
My advice fwiw. Just start flashing, testing, removing, re-installing. Just go crazy with the new Sense ROMs and CM7. Something will stick unless you are like some of the rest of us and just want to flash things at some regular pace
I do like some of the Sense ROMs though. The Energy Sense ROM is very nice and I like Insert Coin and ARHD quite a bit. CM7 wins me over though and I still have a G2/Vision phone which has a CM7 nightly on it which I swap the simcard to every so often because I like that phone too.
Give 'em all a try and then come back in some days or a week. Then all of the developers will release new stuff. Its an agonizing circle of downloading, reading, fixing, wishing.
And I enjoy every minute of it.
I suppose my next question would be, what is the limit to which I can Mod an existing ROM.
Say for instance I wanted to use basic CM7 or Reverted's Mod, but install Amaze Cam, a new SMS Mod, and an ICS theme on top of that.
Is that possible? Or would it change the ROM / make it unusable?
I highly suggest Coredroid 2.7 That's what i have and it has the looks that no other rom has.. it's fast and isn't overloaded.. It's a beauty.. Atleast go look at it =D http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1195902
I don't believe you can have the Amaze Cam without Sense and it's worth noting that CM7 on Sensation is reported to have some camera issues (which can perhaps be eased with different cam mods/apps). I can't verify this, although I use CM7 and like it very much, I've never once used the camera, it's simply not one of the features I really need on my handheld.
If you want "the most toys" but without the sense bloat, you are probably best getting one of the Sense based ROMs that has a lot of the sense interface removed. ARHD is highly used and comes well recommended, so you could try that.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849 and look for post #4 for the de-sensed version.
Is it possible to theme Sense-based ROM's to look like ICS at all?
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19451428
Is there any reason that Theme from Desire wouldn't work on Sensation?
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I don't believe you can have the Amaze Cam without Sense and it's worth noting that CM7 on Sensation is reported to have some camera issues (which can perhaps be eased with different cam mods/apps). I can't verify this, although I use CM7 and like it very much, I've never once used the camera, it's simply not one of the features I really need on my handheld.
If you want "the most toys" but without the sense bloat, you are probably best getting one of the Sense based ROMs that has a lot of the sense interface removed. ARHD is highly used and comes well recommended, so you could try that.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849 and look for post #4 for the de-sensed version.
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I would echo the ARHD recommendation. You can kill of Sense if you like, but it is pretty clean even with it.
- Computerslayer
I jump back and forth between ARHD, InsertCoin and P3D, though less of that last one lately. They're all Sense-based, but you can rid yourself of many Sense things by just using a custom Launcher, like GoLauncher. That way you can still have a functional camera (likely an issue, I hear, in CM7), and keep the lock screen.
Also, I know you said Titanium Backup Free would do the job, but if you do fork over the $6 for the premium version, all the restore installs are silent... that is, you don't need to click "INSTALL" and "DONE" for each one. The apps and their data are installed in the background. It's the best $6 I've ever spent on an app.
Hm Reverted or any of the other CM-based builds sound like what you're looking for except for the camera part since they all use the ****ty aosp camera.
Miui is pretty solid, but Scott and TD are still working on porting the miui cam. But until then, it also has the ****ty aosp cam. But until ics becomes reality for us, this is what I'm waiting for.
In the meantime, I desensed AHRD with this script and it's actually pretty decent. Plus you get to keep the lockscreen and sense cam. If you really wanted an ics look, you could replace the included Launcher Pro with ICS Launcher. Don't get confused with the term "desense" though. Sense is still there. Scripts like these just get rid of Rosie and delete all of the HTC widgets and extras.