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Report Moderator Abusing XDA Privileges

I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
Fallen Spartan said:
Dear BravoMotorola,
You have received an infraction at xda-developers.
Reason: Single Post or Low Level Spamming
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Going off topic when I asked everyone to stay on topic
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This infraction is worth 3 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
All the best,
xda-developers
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=XDA-Developers:Administrators
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/#abuse
maybe those might help?

I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.

I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.

pulser_g2 said:
I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.
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here we are for to learn or enjoy with our devices, some times its funny, somtimes it´s serious, but i think here we aren´t for to discuss badly or to give the orders gifs to joke of some comments...
These situations must be cut and the MODERATOR is the manager of it, he chooses how to finish it

sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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That sounds a bit too negative. I would like to add that this forum and site is fantastic. I have learned more about Android in a few weeks on this site than I would have trawling through manuals and websites. The work people put in to this site is commendable and that includes the moderators. Where else would you get such passion, innovation and good advice? So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.

The Mod asked people to stay ontopic. So you responded to an offtopic post with another offtopic post. You get told not to do this through an infraction and you whine about it? You sound like a 5 year old crying because someone else got some chocolate and your parents wont buy you some too. If you have a complaint go through the correct channels and try not to sound so self entitled. Live, Learn and move on.

sohanlon07 said:
So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.
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under my opinion, your comment don´t sounds negative, and it´s the true... i think there isn´t any development forum better than XDA for develop or learn...
i´m spanish user, i talk a little bit english languaje and soo poor lol... and there are a lot of forums in spanish web but not so complete as this one, i believe that it does not cost anything to take care of this web and to follow the procedure of use..

Yes, you are correct, it was a gif file, not a jng. My mistake, but that had no relevance on me giving you an infraction
I understand your feelings about receiving an infraction and I know Mr Clown may let things slide, but you have to understand we received numerous complaints about that particular thread going off topic so I felt we (the mod team) needed to intervene. I cleaned the thread and left a gentle reminder for all to please abide by forum rules and keep thread on topic. Now the following 3-4 posts where the exact opposite of what I was hoping for. Yes, the first was in good nature, but it just encouraged everyone to do the exact opposite of what I said. No actions go without consequences and if I let those posts slide with no punishment other members would see this and also act inappropriately. Instead of you carrying on off topic and posting your post, all you had to do was report the post above you. But in turn your post also encouraged others to post off topic. I hope you understand my reasons. I do not go out actively dishing out infractions, but I will when I see it necessary. You only received a 3 point infraction which is not a permanent record against you, if is just a gentle reminder to abide by our forum rules and it will not be held against you if any further instances arose.
As for you reporting me, please do if you feel you have been harshly punished. Contact site admin mikechannon and he will look into my behaviour.
All mods have to abide by the same rules as you and everyone else.
Best regards
Rick
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The thread which I cleaned had over 15 pages of posts. After I cleaned it this number was reduced by half.....hence why we received so many complaints about thread in question and why I took action. Normally I would leave it to the FSM for that forum (Mr Clown), but unfortunately he wasn't online at the time
sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. Let me know of any examples and I will investigate them
Rick

BravoMotorola said:
I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
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As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.

These forums would be unbearable and unusable without the mods and the good work they do. All i see are kids with entitlement issues who need to learn how to moderate themselves better.

egzthunder1 said:
As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.
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As I say "new guy" I mean "new guy" to the Atrix sub forums specifically. I see some people here saying what he did was his choice and it is fine that he did it, and a couple that think it was too much or thinks that a lot of the forum moderators are being more strict...
I know that this infraction is no big deal at all, I've known that all along. Regardless, I fell as I am being yelled at. And no matter a "big deal" or just a "warning"...I don't think it was at all necessary.
It doesn't seem to myself that I am making a big deal, but maybe I am and I just don't realize it. I won't report anyone. I don't want to try to over power anyone because I can't. And even if I could, now that I've calmed, I wouldn't. I don't want to make anyone mad, and I don't want to waste my time.
Maybe I just need to realize some moderators are more strict than others, so I should follow the rules closely at all times.
Thank you for your post, and please do close this thread.
~BM~

Thread closed by OP request
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More Understanding of newcomers.

More and more i see in the forums newcomers asking for legitimate advice and guidance, and some even preface there lack of english, and yet i see other relative newcomers flame them, and sometimes even members/senior members also join the band wagon.
Some moderators have no qualms in flaming also... you know who you are.
Sure, there are those newcomers that have nothing better to do than start a thread for the enjoyment of pissing people off...I am confident the Mods will nuke them quickly.
I joined the site for the camaraderie and knowledge that is brought to the table.
Friendly banter is healthy , but abusive and racist comments should stop.
My 2 cents worth here, Don't respond to flamers as they want to bask in their glory and if we bite back we are no better than them.
I want my forums back to how they used to be. friendly, helpful, humourous.
The only way to get the respect we deserve is to lead by example.
Gets off my soapbox.
Waits to be flamed for this post...lol

+ 1
Your post should be stickied and copied to all the forums.
Thanks for your two cents.
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I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right. New phone, new rooting method, threads that aren't 100 pages long, plus we are all to some degree noobs here has made an exemplary forum.
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I can't stand it when people jump all over noobs. All the time I see people getting their heads bitten off & actually being called names by senior members just for asking simple questions. It's positively shameful & it needs to stop. If they're asking stupid questions or being rude, yeah I can understand some backlash for that but sometimes it seems like the senior members just wanna chase off new people. XDA is supposed to be a community of smart people with an interest in phone modding but sometimes we act like an 8th grade class.
We were all noobs once & we need to remember that before we scream at someone for asking a question that- *GASP*- may have been answered before. A gentle reminder to search will suffice, no need to rip them a new one. And we also need to consider that not everyone knows exactly what terms to search for & that search is down for maintenance half the time to begin with.

moh0 said:
I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.
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The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.

Well said OP! Most of the XDA gang usually helps one another...

APPLAUSE ...APPLAUSE
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Super Chimp said:
The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.
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XDA is more a community than a school. In order to be a functioning part of a community, you must go through the motions of becoming a valuable member. I'm not condoning the bashing of noobs. But if new users constantly ask silly questions, something has to be said about it.

Locking threads

Why is it that the so called MODS in this place would rather lock a thread than to accept the fact they are ****ed in the head! I don't know what the deal is with the MODS here but they need to get their heads out their ass and address the real issues instead of holding a grudge! You are loosing some great people because of your arrogant stupid ass I am god attitude. So I hope to see xda flop on its sorry ass!!!!!!! PEACE OUT!

Agreed.
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Well although I think you could've said that in a more tasteful manner (as to not stoop down to their level) I still agree.
Tator's thread regarding dfgas' recognized developer status (or lack thereof) was a pretty calm thread and, aside from a few comments made by other users (which were minor at worst) it was not in violation of any XDA forum rules. It was more importantly though our little Mesmerize (and Showcase) community coming together collectively to show our support for one of our developers. The overwhelming majority agreed that he did deserve recognized developer status. Closing that thread, in my opinion, was about as close as you can get to downright censorship in an attempt to control our opinions here. We have the right to speak our minds and voice our opinions, as long as its within forum rules. If a few members bend or break a rule, then by all means, a moderator can edit his post, but the entire thread should not be closed, especially when we are voicing our support for one of our developers.
Considering...
"[XDA] is and always will be a site for developers, pure and simple. Without them we are nothing, without them there would be no reason for XDA Developers to exist; we should never ever forget that. Without them this place would not be called XDA-Developers but something else, e.g Mobile Phone User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds. XDA is about developing and is for developers. Any user that recognizes that will gain the most benefit from this site."
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I am still very shocked that a thread was closed when its sole purpose was to show our support for one of our developers and to let him know that we were behind him even after he had been denied recognition that he has absolutely earned.
I also believe part of the frustration and anger a lot of us share is regarding the manner in which the thread was locked. jerdog and I do not see eye to eye, he knows that and I know that, and that is what it is, however I will say in the most respectful way that I think telling, basically our sub-forum as a whole, that this manner was not 'our place' to comment on was disrespectful to all of us and a slap in all our faces. Because it is absolutely our place. A developer with no users and no community behind him/her is no more useful than a lone hammer just sitting idle without someone around to manipulate it. A developer needs his users just as much as the users need their developer. Without users, a developer's work is pointless. So to tell us it is not 'our place' to voice our opinion when we believe our developer has been wronged, completely undermines the developer-user relationship and is a extemely poor attitude to display. Especially to refer to our support of dfgas as "whining and complaining" I thought was completely uncalled for.

holy crap, you made an intelligent post :O
haha I completely agree with you on all counts. these guys need to get their act together, the more they act like they did in that thread the less I want to come to this site for anything.
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The reason for the thread's closing boils down to these few points:
The only person who can petition for someone to be recognized as a developer, is THAT DEVELOPER THEMSELVES. That was stated a few times in that thread as well as the PM sent to the applicant when they aren't selected.
Any attempt to drum up support is counter-productive as it's not your place, and only comes across as whining which is reserved for ages 0-2.
That being said, any further attempts to drum up a mob will fall under the rules of XDA and you will be, at the least, infracted - and most likely given a vacation from the site so as to pursue other hobbies. It's the rules - if you don't like them - there are other places you can frequent - you're not being paid to stay here, nor are we (Mods and Admins) paid to put up with it.
This thread is closed. If you have any issues with that, feel free to PM me or any SM.

why in ace plus forum everyone is hungry of likes ???

I don't understand that why people are hungry for likes in ace plus forum I have use HTC one v and looked in all the threads but I didn't find anyone begging for thanks
I am new to forum as I created account 2-3 weeks ago but still i guess we should help each other without the need of thanks!
am i right guys?

killer19 said:
I don't understand that why people are hungry for likes in ace plus forum I have use HTC one v and looked in all the threads but I didn't find anyone begging for thanks
I am new to forum as I created account 2-3 weeks ago but still i guess we should help each other without the need of thanks!
am i right guys?
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Yes there are some who want to have Thanks meter like devs.
Those are actually thanksicks
ALSO FORGOT Welcome to our forum .You'll meet spammers ,thanksicks,requesters,beggers here .
But placing threads on appropriate sub-forum is better as this may be considered a General Sub- Forum not Q&A Sub-Forum.
Just to remind you :
Never ask a dev for something
Never ask ETA (estimated time pf arrival)
Never spam forums/threads
Write clearly instead of u-you ,2-to
And post threads to appropriate sub-Forums .
Best regards for you .
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blinqipa said:
Yes there are some who want to have Thanks meter like devs.
Those are actually thanksicks
ALSO FORGOT Welcome to our forum .You'll meet spammers ,thanksicks,requesters,beggers here .
But placing threads on appropriate sub-forum is better as this may be considered a General Sub- Forum not Q&A Sub-Forum.
Just to remind you :
Never ask a dev for something
Never ask ETA (estimated time pf arrival)
Never spam forums/threads
Write clearly instead of u-you ,2-to
And post threads to appropriate sub-Forums .
Best regards for you .
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haha
true that !!

Unfortunately OP, you have hit the nail right on the head.
There's 9000 levels of wrong all across the fora, and its not just this one I'm talking about. Thanks whoring, begging for donations, colorful developement threads which look more like a 5 year olds crayon book, screenshot layouts which focus on everything except the screenshot, huge signatures which are bigger than the posts that the bearing members do, members reserving posts for reasons which sane people have never understood; oh I could go on and on and on...
At the end of the day, they fail to realize all of ^this^ is rather pointless. We are, after all, part of an educated society. The forum is considered as one of the more technically oriented forums on the Internet. Yet you see people joining here for all the wrong reasons, acting in all the wrong ways.
One can not ban everyone, so instead we rely on common sense to prevail and use it as a measuring tool. We end up hoping that people see the pointlesness of all such activities. That they realize, what we do is because we love to do it, and not because we want virtual thanks, popularity or someone else's money.
If they don't like what they are doing, they shouldn't be doing it at all.
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a.cid said:
Unfortunately OP, you have hit the nail right on the head.
There's 9000 levels of wrong all across the fora, and its not just this one I'm talking about. Thanks whoring, begging for donations, colorful developement threads which look more like a 5 year olds crayon book, screenshot layouts which focus on everything except the screenshot, huge signatures which are bigger than the posts that the bearing members do, members reserving posts for reasons which sane people have never understood; oh I could go on and on and on...
At the end of the day, they fail to realize all of ^this^ is rather pointless. We are, after all, part of an educated society. The forum is considered as one of the more technically oriented forums on the Internet. Yet you see people joining here for all the wrong reasons, acting in all the wrong ways.
One can not ban everyone, so instead we rely on common sense to prevail and use it as a measuring tool. We end up hoping that people see the pointlesness of all such activities. That they realize, what we do is because we love to do it, and not because we want virtual thanks, popularity or someone else's money.
If they don't like what they are doing, they shouldn't be doing it at all.
/rant
A.cid
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^^^someone with right words...
Good
I also think that
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a.cid said:
Unfortunately OP, you have hit the nail right on the head.
There's 9000 levels of wrong all across the fora, and its not just this one I'm talking about. Thanks whoring, begging for donations, colorful developement threads which look more like a 5 year olds crayon book, screenshot layouts which focus on everything except the screenshot, huge signatures which are bigger than the posts that the bearing members do, members reserving posts for reasons which sane people have never understood; oh I could go on and on and on...
At the end of the day, they fail to realize all of ^this^ is rather pointless. We are, after all, part of an educated society. The forum is considered as one of the more technically oriented forums on the Internet. Yet you see people joining here for all the wrong reasons, acting in all the wrong ways.
One can not ban everyone, so instead we rely on common sense to prevail and use it as a measuring tool. We end up hoping that people see the pointlesness of all such activities. That they realize, what we do is because we love to do it, and not because we want virtual thanks, popularity or someone else's money.
If they don't like what they are doing, they shouldn't be doing it at all.
/rant
A.cid
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that is a hell of a explanation sir :good:
what we do is because we love to do it :angel:

4 years on xda.

I have been around these forums and have enjoyed the friendly community and the help taken and given. I have been through multiple android phones and this site has helped me to make each of them better.
Lately there has been a lot of interference from moderators. Shutting down active threads for really no apparent reason.. People discussing what ever it is it be and a mod comes in and closes the thread because they JUDGED for themself that they don't like it. Or they try and conclude everything to there liking. I have been visiting xda less and less because of this. I feel like your taking all of the fun out of a great community and being hard asses for whatever reason. Seems like a bunch of out of control cops abusing there powers just because they can.
Right now I'm laughing because some moderator is reading this and is probably going to explode with anger and remove/delete this thread.
:beer: relax.
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The sections I have frequented, I have no issue with the moderators of those sections. I guess to each their own.
I have been a moderator on another forum for over a year and know by personal experience sometimes you have to piss off a few to keep things in order and have the rules enforced. Each infraction has to be treated to similar consequences for equality, but sometimes that is hard to follow when you have a huge forum like XDA where you need a handful of people for a lot of different sections. Keeping the moderators in line as an admin can be a daunting task. If you feel a moderator is abusing his power, best to ask over PM why he did what he did. If he doesn't have reason for his actions, contact an admin of his actions.
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qs504792 said:
I have been around these forums and have enjoyed the friendly community and the help taken and given. I have been through multiple android phones and this site has helped me to make each of them better.
Lately there has been a lot of interference from moderators. Shutting down active threads for really no apparent reason.. People discussing what ever it is it be and a mod comes in and closes the thread because they JUDGED for themself that they don't like it. Or they try and conclude everything to there liking. I have been visiting xda less and less because of this. I feel like your taking all of the fun out of a great community and being hard asses for whatever reason. Seems like a bunch of out of control cops abusing there powers just because they can.
Right now I'm laughing because some moderator is reading this and is probably going to explode with anger and remove/delete this thread.
:beer: relax.
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I am sorry that you feel like the moderators are being heavy handed. If you have an issue with the way something is being handled you can PM the moderator in question and if you are still not happy you can send a PM to the Moderator Committee. I guarantee you that it will be looked into. Please do not post PMs from people into the open forums, PMs are meant to be private, posting it in public kind of defeats the purpose of them :laugh:.
I promise you that the moderators want the same friendly community atmosphere that you do. Part of that requires some proactive steps to keep things that we know will eventually cause problems from causing those problems. I am sure you will agree that a thread about how the iPhone is better than the Note 3 will quickly degrade into a giant hate fest.
I am going to close this thread, because, I think it will only attract trouble. Please, take advantage of whomever it is you have contacted and feel free to PM me with any issues you have.