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No more custom ROMs on HTC devices: HTC will secure the bootloader for future phones.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73423/htc-beveiligt-bootloader-nieuwe-android-toestellen.html
Why???
You have just been added next to Sony on my "Don't buy"-list.
Which phone will be the next HD2? LG?
***Update***:
Sony-Ericsson makes a tool to load custom roms onto their devices (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73521/so...t-custom-roms-op-android-phones-mogelijk.html)
This is good news!

How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?

This was an interesting argument, to me: NOT that the phones aren't still crackable, but rather that HTC is giving into intimidation by Verizon.. and by doing so, it's signaling that they will bow down to carriers, yet even moreso, over end users who BUY THEIR PHONES and are their actual customers.
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You may not agree, but the "rebel" in me likes that argument at least....
When you combine this with HTC America's not honoring warranties, they are not making the best moves given their fractional market share and the massive competition getting stronger and stronger from Motorola and Samsung every day ---- though I love HTC's phones and have never cheated on them once!
But keep in mind HTC *owned* the entire turf of touchscreen devices during the mighty reign of Windows Mobile... Now? Today? They are practically an asterisk. And Motorola? They were gonners. People thought there were out of the game having fallen so far behind after nothing new since the RAZR. Then the new CEO came in, targeted Android as his platform for choice, they targeted the DROID as their re-entry vehicle, and they slammed into the touchscreen market and overtook HTC like a steamroller.
When you are playing on THAT kind of playing field, you're going to go messing with your most loyal customer base -- and kiss ass with a carrier? I think HTC is blundering all over the place -- all the while they continue to make fantastic phones. But fact remains, they cannot afford to even SIGHTLY ANNOY a loyal customer these days. Once someone goes Samsung or Motorola, I don't see a big love affair where they're going to comer back to HTC. So, they better watch it, from where I sit. It's not just as simple a matter as "but we can crack anything". That's missing the point entirely.

Is HTC dual mode? Are they just doing it in the US or all over. That's why I've never liked Verizon. Started years ago over ringtones and BitPim.

What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S, which from the specs on HTC's website, is a GSM phone so if this additional layer of security were a specific demand from VZW, there'd be no reason to add it to the Incredible S.
I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.

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I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.
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I'm with this. Go to any Android phone dev section and you see tons of people returning phones for replacement because they goof up flashing it.

I didn't realize this was posted already, I had just posted this in another section, I had said a week ago that it might be the end of an era with HTC locking down their phones, this sucks.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is just pressure from the carriers rather than HTC itself.
Regardless, i am disappoint!

I hope they dont do this, we need customization!

it does suck, theyll be another motorola now, except sense still owns blur lol

No no no no no. :'( this sucks. I love htc and the OPENNESS of android. Why I DIDN'T go with Motorola for an android device.
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we need to apeal to htc to please not do this!!

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What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S...
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Exactly.
Even if HTC were to start locking the bootloader at the behest of one particular network (and frankly, I find the notion that any one network would have enough clout to try and impose such measures questionable, to say the least), there'd be no reason for HTC to do this to all their handsets.
This is a decision HTC have made themselves.
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I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
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Also true - XDA may be big but it doesn't compare to the number of phones being sold.
Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.

man i hope somebody talks some sense into them

This is bonkers what are they doing this for?

GnatGoSplat said:
How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?
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Well I don't know for sure, but when you hook up you phone to your computer and flash it, your computer and phone will communicate with each other, and the computer will tell the phone what the new rom will be. Now, the people here at xda only have to figure out how to tell the phone what the new rom is.
But with this new security, not only do will we have to figure out how to tell it, we also have to answer the phones question to the computer, what the password is to flash it. This password is only known to HTC.

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Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.
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I was thinking the same thing. The new devices with be unlocked and made available to the people who'll use them.

If HTC locked the phones like Motorola does, then there will be no further HTC gadgets for me.
I didn't buy Motorola because of the same reason.

Every time they make a "secure lock" it takes all of a week to open and rewrite
IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
This is phase and as such, will pass

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IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
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I think you need to re-read that.
The Supreme Court said it wasn't illegal to hack/tweak/modify software such as rooting/jail-breaking but that doesn't magically give you a right to do so.
If end-users have the right to modify their handsets, how do Motorola get away with their encrypted bootloader?

XDA: The time is right

Dear XDA: I think the time has come for you to step out of the shadows. I was at Barnes and Noble the other day and started looking for a magazine in their sizable magazine section. I was frustrated when i went to look for a magazine about android -anything- and found zero mags. However, i did happen to find 12 magazines covering apple. Soo i searched online and to my dismay have only found one magazine that covers android and only apps. Please save all of us who love android and need something to read on the toilet. I promise you i will be the first to subscribe. There is a desert wasteland when it comes to android magazines and you could be our oasis. Seems like now could be the opportune time.
(sorry for the dramatics...just thought it would be fun to post my thoughts about this...)

A magazine on Android ? hmmm...

It's a good idea. There's inough content out there right now to fill a year's worth of monthly editions. I'd subscribe (as long as it wasn't priced unreasonably), and it could open way more people to Android rooting/flashing/modding...
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+1 thats whats missing actually. go for it XDA. u properly backed up anyway, so ...

Definitely a good idea. The democracy has always overthrowed the dictatorship. That's just the way the world goes.

If nothing else, and I hate to say it, think of the revenues.
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an XDA-MAg it's a good idea, specially if my work it's on the front page....hehehe .
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Sounds cool. But sounds dangerous for xda also. Just thinking that people who aren't supposed to root or mod their phones might pick up a magazine andtry, then fail, maybe even brick their phones, and then they try sue xda. All i'm trying to say is I think it's best for people who don't have the mindset for modding or whatnot, to not be introduced to it or even tempted.

Kailkti said:
Sounds cool. But sounds dangerous for xda also. Just thinking that people who aren't supposed to root or mod there phones might pick up a magazine and try, then fail, maybe even brick their phones, and then they try sue xda. All i'm trying to say is I think it's best for people who don't have the mindset for modding or whatnot, to not be introduced to it or even tempted.
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A Warning on any article helps, they cannot get sued just because someone brick their phone, it wont be XDA fault.

Yeah but some narrow-minded twit is bound to try and go after xda at some point anyways, if it hasn't happened already. And there's always an opportunistic lawyer to accomodate (apologies to any members who happen to be lawyers lol). That's why there are disclaimers at the top of almost every thread. At least magazine revenue would help pay the legal defense fees.
This site has gotten so big since Android got hot, there's a constant influx of people who just bought their first smartphone and already know they want it rooted with CM7 and A2SD, but have no idea how to make it happen. If properly implemented, the mag could be a roadmap to get them started, and teach them some forum etiquitte (search, read, search, read, find correct forum to ask in) before they end up neck deep in technical terms they've never heard before, and a device that no longer boots. Beats following some half-ass youtube video with a megaupload link and then having a first post on xda titled 'help i bricked my...'
Edit: damn you, skepticalguy, you stole my spot ;-p
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yes,agree............

TheSkepticalGuy said:
A Warning on any article helps, they cannot get sued just because someone brick their phone, it wont be XDA fault.
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A warning/disclaimer won't be a magical 'no lawsuit' pass for anyone. If enough people face issues and ends up bricking their devices, the magazine will get sued. Whether the lawsuit succeeds or not is up in the air, but I doubt it's 100% guaranteed to fail and, more likely than not, retailers selling the magazine will then ask themselves if they should continue stocking it or not.
And, of course, we're just talking about lawsuits from regular folks. Imagine if Google (or any number of other corporations involved in profiting from Android) gets a hold of the news that there's a magazine out there advising the general population on hacking the OS. Somehow, I think this is going to be another one of those times when 'Do No Evil' no longer applies.
If XDA decides to gets its own magazine, it should do what others have done: Give advice to look up how to do it, but do not offer any direct advice. If the people reading the magazine decides to continue doing it, then they only have whatever advice source they looked up to blame if something screws up. Of course, this still doesn't give the 'No Lawsuits' pass, but it'll probably be a much stronger case for the magazine.
All of this could just be my pessimism speaking, so no one has to feel that what I said will be unalterable reality. Still, it seems like an awful lot of risk for an attempt to get into a market that is supposedly not doing so well. I mean, there's nothing wrong with being online-exclusive. I doubt Engadget, with its 5+ million visitors, is complaining.

True true. The xda portal is pretty much like engadget itself. And engadget gets some of its news from xda also. Guess the problem is, the amount of people that are interested in hacking and modding, which is a relatively small amount. And well, as said before, we don't want to be inviting people who aren't supposed to be hacking or modding, else we get more threads saying how they bricked their phones. So maybe it's best to just stay as it is now.

^ Yes, you are right about that, but perhaps it's not as matter of exposure.
Look at the iPhone. Jailbreaking is much more widespread than Android rooting, but last I heard, it was still only about 2-4% of the entire iPhone userbase that was doing it. As others mentioned, there are several iPhone/Apple magazines too.
I think hacking has always been the domain of a small number of folks who probably knows the method to find out how to do such things by themselves anyway. The overwhelming majority probably doesn't want to hack and additional exposure by magazines to them might increase the hacking community by a small amount, but probably not any very significantly.
Rooting/jailbreaking/custom ROMS/etc will probably continue to be the domain of folks like those who frequent XDA and it's unlikely that it'll ever be as popular as, say, downloading MP3s until it becomes a super easy/risk-free task that has an undeniable benefit to the common man.
But frankly, I don't see a need to make it as common as downloading MP3s anyway. XDA is freely available to anyone who wants to know and, for those who don't want to know, let them continue using a stock Samsung Nexus S.

Yes... xda is the way forward! It is improving alot!!!!!!!!!
Now we have xda tv, i cant wait to see whats next!
Also @OP, why don't you take your phone to the toilet LOL You will have your all in one phone/magazine/browser
Jokes!

LMAO I actually just read the last few posts on the crapper!! Get out of my head!
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huggs said:
LMAO I actually just read the last few posts on the crapper!! Get out of my head!
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ahahahh

[THEFT] Stealing Applications from the android market

There is a person in my area who advertises that he will root a phone and show people how they can use their newly rooted device to get the paid applications from the android market for free.
One of his advertisements HERE
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I sent a couple emails and asked exactly what he was doing.
He told me he is installing Titanium Backup on rooted phones and instructing people
to purchase an applications > backup the application using Titanium Backup > then refund the purchase.
I am aware that this does not work for all applications, but am appalled that this kind of thing not only seems OK for some, and they are profiting from stealing applications from the developers who are making them.
If there is something that can be done to stop people like this i would surely like to help
I also highly recommend that when building an application, a Developer check market license every time the app is started. This does make devices that are WiFi only hinder a bit, but crooks like this are ruining our android experience.
feel free to report him to the BSA
BSA reporting

They won't get asp updates, and you can only refund an asp once...
I'd not go so far as to suggest a licence check on every single launch, legitimate users will hate you and go elsewhere or get a cracked version...
Making legitimate irritating is why people currently pirate music so much... Same with game drm and no-cd patches... Steam addressed that for the pc though
But for this case, he's acting immorally and probably illegally...

Well that's a terrible ad . He stated:
I have worked with hundreds of phones and I have damaged any of them
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"Use Wifi Hotspot for free"
uh, wat? One can already use unlocked wifi without rooting...
Does he think people are stupid, or am I misunderstanding something?
yay, first post!

Without titanium also can steal paid app from market...no need that
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This an unfortunate side effect of all the abilities our developers have given us. It's sad to see people taking advantage of the open market of android, and using it for personal gain, but he also has to leave a lot of info out of the process for his "customers" to have the wool draped over their eyes.
Hopefully people will be able to sniff this out as to-good-to-be-true, and not let this guy make money off of products he doesn't own.
People really need to learn ethics these days...
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Someone should report him to his domain holder so he can be prosecuted. What he's doing is violating all wireless companies TOS and Google's TOS for the market and intellectual property.
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I hate this guy. I just don't understand people who are just stealing apps and thinks that it will have no consequences. Today, every phone and app have internet access and developers are able to find out how many their apps were stolen and how many were purchased. So then, if everybody will be just stealing apps, they will stop development and we will have no apps and games and it will kill Android like it did to Windows mobile (there on the other hand was easier to download cracked apps then to buy it).

This dude is unbelivable, as are the customers who do business with hm. I really hope that this is microscopic part of consumers. It really wrong and dumb to steal something costing 1 or 10 euros or usd and takng a risk that it does not work at all. Do peopole actually count any value for their time and effort? Taking one hour or so to mess up your phone and steal what, 5 euros from devs who have written Better guides online with video tutorials, then many network operators ever boder... this is low.
Report him asap.
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He is not doing anything illegal. He is just showing you how to steal apps. Now it is down to you to steal or not to steal.

Calyxim is right, although he is participating in the crime kinda.

He may not be doing the illegal acts but he is aiding people who are willing to steal them. Which technically makes him an accomplice to theft, therefore making it illegal.
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I have worked with hundreds of phones and I have damaged any of them.
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I also found that funny. Outside of the obvious legal and moral implications of stealing, I find it more than annoying that he is providing a service that should never be done for profit, but rather out of interest and love for hacking in whatever form one is able. Call me an elitist, but I think that I you are not able to root your phone and or don't have the drive to ask someone for help like about a million people on this forum, then you have no business rooting. Getting a rooted device without so much as a basic understanding for the process is the equivalent of script kiddying in my estimation.

Ugh!! I hate people who male up businesses in hacking!! Especially iPhone ones!! When I tell people I root androids, I dumb it down and say I hack them, and they always say, " so does that mean I can download free apps" ahhhhhhh
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Android has this problem due to other software and methods already it is something that cant be stopped in todays world the way i see it :/
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dude found the way to make easy money

Not to mention making money off if the work of others here. It has not gone unnoticed for sure.

call da police!

I don't get it. I'm pretty new to Android, but most of these apps cost less than a dollar. Really? You'd steal a dollar? Not that I'd steal anything.

I agree it is theft but at the exact same time my view is on this is the guy is wrong for charging for a service like this. Personally I think it is pointless to get worked up over theft of a mobile application like tons of people crack software for computers it happens. But has anyone ever considered Android's kernel? It is Linux which means it relates to the Free Software philosophy which gets me why charge for apps why make a profit I personally believe in coding for learning,fun, collaboration and the benefit for others. But if someone wants to make a profit then sure go ahead. But you know people are just going to pirate it so how much of a profit will you truly make off a app? But to go as far as charging someone for that kind of service is even lower.

[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
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WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

NYCblues said:
Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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NYCblues said:
Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

aycockonxion said:
THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

NYCblues said:
What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
Sincerely,
Heir Hare
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.

Girlfriend cheating!

So my brother came to me today and knows i can root phones and whatnot. He thinks his girl is cheating on him. He says she has one of those apps that changes the notification icon of recieves messages from certain contacts and the messages dont show up in her normal inbox. At this point he just wants to catch them in the act. So, she has a samsung galaxy S1 and i know i can root it. He said he wants it so when she sends/recieves a text, it saves whatever is sent/recieved to a file OR saved in a database somewhere. and he wants a gps on her phone that lets him check where her phone is.
What apps/hacks can i use to do this without her knowing? He said hes even willing to pay for any apps if neccesary. But the apps cant be noticeable. Thank you guys Raidenbeats out!!

Raidenbeats said:
So my brother came to me today and knows i can root phones and whatnot. He thinks his girl is cheating on him. He says she has one of those apps that changes the notification icon of recieves messages from certain contacts and the messages dont show up in her normal inbox. At this point he just wants to catch them in the act. So, she has a samsung galaxy S1 and i know i can root it. He said he wants it so when she sends/recieves a text, it saves whatever is sent/recieved to a file OR saved in a database somewhere. and he wants a gps on her phone that lets him check where her phone is.
What apps/hacks can i use to do this without her knowing? He said hes even willing to pay for any apps if neccesary. But the apps cant be noticeable. Thank you guys Raidenbeats out!!
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Look for any apps named like Shady SMS or whatever. It's like THE cheating app. If she has that, you don't even have to catch her.

Since she is going to know right away that her user data got all wiped when you rooted it why bother

^^^^^^^ this. Yeah really. If she's going to know since her data gets wiped. I'd recommend your brother having a good friend of his, one that she doesn't know, or at least doesn't know what he drives, have him drive your brother around and see where she goes. She won't know cuz she won't know that she's being followed. Or just have your brother's friend follow her...
And take this from someone with experience with this, women are VERY VERY good liars. Unlike us men, who are kinda good liars, but women, they are twice as sneaky as us men, TRUST ME! Anyway, if he catches her with another guy, and she lied about where she was at, and she says that they are JUST friends, she's lying! She's a freaking LIAR! And NOW is the time to KICK HER TO THE CURB! And then find the guy she's hanging with and twist his neck! Or at least curb stomp his little bitc# ass!!
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Well he already knows she is cheating. He just wants to catch her. He also said he doesnt care if it wipes her user data, he will make her background the same as it was before and redownload all her apps. She already "accidentally" deleted all her contacts (because she had the other dudes number in there) so she wont notice that. + shes kind of a bimbo and would probably just chalk it up to her phone dropping. (She cracjed the screen and thinks that will mess up the software so it wouldnt be hard to convince her otherwise)

So no one has an app/hack to suggest?

NubzX said:
Since she is going to know right away that her user data got all wiped when you rooted it why bother
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root does not involve wiping data, you can root S1 easily with framaroot app, here you go too many apps out there
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Assuming you're in the US/Canada or any country in the EU this would be highly illegal and I'd advise not doing it.

Tell your brother to take her somewhere that is in public with a lot of people around, expose her for the POS that she really is, and leave her there.
Then he should throw a party to celebrate throwing out the trash.
Cheating is for selfish, pathetic, spineless and untrustworthy people.
If you don't want to be with someone, treat them like a person and be honest, just tell them.
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c5satellite2 said:
Tell your brother to take her somewhere that is in public with a lot of people around, expose her for the POS that she really is, and leave her there.
Then he should throw a party to celebrate throwing out the trash.
Cheating is for selfish, pathetic, spineless and untrustworthy people.
If you don't want to be with someone, treat them like a person and be honest, just tell them.
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Unfortunately, this thread will be closed if it starts to be about cheating girlfriends instead of being about rooting and "spying" apps.

ohwut said:
Assuming you're in the US/Canada or any country in the EU this would be highly illegal and I'd advise not doing it.
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He owns the phone and pays the phone bill

Raidenbeats said:
He owns the phone and pays the phone bill
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Maybe so but in some countries (US and Europe) there are still laws that apply to illegal interception of communications.

Well anyways, what are some apps or things i can do? Anyone know of anything good?

http://www.crazyandroid.com/top-10-android-spy-apps-you-dont-want-to-miss/
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Secret Sms replicator i used that once XD caught my GF planning to have something with best friend,uhm well they did XD haha they were shocked when i showed them their messages XD haha any way search the file on the web if you cant find it pm me,i thinks its not available on the web,i bought it on a forum

You are strongly recommended that you should not post these kind of threat here in xda. Because they are non legal and they intrude with the policy of xda's policy if non development. So beware before posting such threats.
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xtatsh said:
Secret Sms replicator i used that once XD caught my GF planning to have something with best friend,uhm well they did XD haha they were shocked when i showed them their messages XD haha any way search the file on the web if you cant find it pm me,i thinks its not available on the web,i bought it on a forum
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Is the app hidden on their phone rhough?