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Atrix 2 and Droid Rzr

Now that the droid Rzr has been confirmed with the same TI OMAP 4430 chip set that the Atrix 2 has, its looking to me like a brother to us. My question is, do you guys think that with the Rzr being launched internationally and Motorola saying international versions will have an unlockable bootloader, that develepment will help us just as much as our Bionic brothers have? Would say they all 3 are very similar with the A2 and Rzr having the edge with the better display?
Any thoughts or am I just bored at work and rambling on LoL?

Who knows? I'm still enjoying the root goodness on an A2

JRW 28 said:
Now that the droid Rzr has been confirmed with the same TI OMAP 4430 chip set that the Atrix 2 has, its looking to me like a brother to us. My question is, do you guys think that with the Rzr being launched internationally and Motorola saying international versions will have an unlockable bootloader, that develepment will help us just as much as our Bionic brothers have? Would say they all 3 are very similar with the A2 and Rzr having the edge with the better display?
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When I first heard about this (earlier this afternoon) that's exactly what I thought. I also imagine as soon as we can get out bootloader unlocked that our phone won't be much slower than the RAZR since we're gonna be able to open up the cpu to it's capability, 1.2GHz baby! I can only see the incredible amount of developing for the RAZR helping us.

Loving my A2, came from a Droid X day and night in performance.

well coming from the OG and still having it, I remember the developers saying 1.2-1.3 ghz was gonna b Max n now they are at 1.5ghz! I've kept mine at 1.3 but if we can get the same performance out of the A2 we will have a serious contender here I believe .

Yes but the OG Atrix still had issues of Not utilizing Both Cores quite right if you look at the Notes on the Kernel's. Or at least last I saw there was a bug there. One MAJOR Flaw with the RAZR from what I have read is Lack of Being able to Remove and Replace the Battery. Well I Assume you could take the thing apart and replace it but not having an actual Battery Door for Extended batteries and what not just sounds like a Horrid idea especially when some batteries are flawed etc.

Think you misunderstood me, was just stating we could probably borrow info from the RZR the same way we have from the Bionic. The OG was just another phone until here lately and now it is starting to really shine. If the A2 can be tapped to its true potential its really gonna be one heck of a sleeper!!!!
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malickie said:
One MAJOR Flaw with the RAZR from what I have read is Lack of Being able to Remove and Replace the Battery. Well I Assume you could take the thing apart and replace it but not having an actual Battery Door for Extended batteries and what not just sounds like a Horrid idea especially when some batteries are flawed etc.
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The Razr's inability to remove the battery is not a flaw, it's a necessary part of the design serving two purposes. First it allows the unit to be sealed making it extremely water resistant. Second it adds structural integrity to the unit reinforcing the thin steel frame and gorilla glass. Without sealing it the phone could not be that thin. The choice is simple, for people that want a phone that thin and strong it must be bonded. I personally don't see the need for that and am with you that I prefer a phone that I can change batteries on. That being said I would bet they have a quick and easy way to remove and replace that battery that can't be done in the field.
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Think you misunderstood me, was just stating we could probably borrow info from the RZR the same way we have from the Bionic. The OG was just another phone until here lately and now it is starting to really shine. If the A2 can be tapped to its true potential its really gonna be one heck of a sleeper!!!!p
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I agree totally. The hardware specs for the Razr are spot on with the Atrix 2 (minus some storage memory). I think as the Razr becomes all the rage with the beautiful people all the code written for it will just fall to us.

Clovett said:
I agree totally. The hardware specs for the Razr are spot on with the Atrix 2 (minus some storage memory). I think as the Razr becomes all the rage with the beautiful people all the code written for it will just fall to us.
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Exactly what i'm hoping for!

916x10 said:
Exactly what i'm hoping for!
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Couldn't agree with you more

Or its the other way around they take the stuff from the excellent devs here
Donation accepted towards an Atrix 2

Probably you guys will be able to port ROMs to the Atrix 2 from the BIONIC & the RAZR & the other way around
I mean People are porting the Atrix's ROMs into the Photon 4G & the DROID X2 , since they are ALMOST identical inside , You guys might be able to do the same with the Atrix 2 \ BIONIC \ RAZR
I think you might even be able to unlock the Bootloader that way , since the Developers tried the way they unlocked the Atrix's on the Photon & It worked

So heres the Fat question: Who's returning and who's keeping

Just a basic question, no trolling. Just wondering what issues people have, and wondering who's leaving it for something else.
Im still intended on keeping this, but if that HTC DNA comes out writing my return period (45 days)I might have to consider that instead.

What issues are people having?

Returning. Camera is terrible. Will either go back to my s3 or wait for the HTC DNA.

If you want a camera, go buy a camera its a phone not a Nikon. Keep that in mind.
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It seems like the camera issues are mainly software so I assume they will be fixed. Pocket now did a video sample and it came out great!
Even if the camera gets an update it still won't be as good as the s3, but the large battery makes up for it imho.
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Keeping.
I cant imagine going to any other device right now. It just feels so nice in my hands. Recovery is on its way, we have root, just need JB ROMs and i will be set.

Deus_eps_machina said:
Keeping.
I cant imagine going to any other device right now. It just feels so nice in my hands. Recovery is on its way, we have root, just need JB ROMs and i will be set.
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Are the developers that are working on the RAZR HD on a different forum or just silent for now?
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Apparently TWRP from the RAZR M works fine for this (not scaled for an HD screen).
Devs are currently silent, but i suggest you saunter on over to the Dev forum on XDA and check out the JB leak thread.

After 7 days of use, I am on the fence.
With the "Smart Actions" application, I am lasting a day plus on battery alone.
The build quality is solid and like Deus_eps_machina said, it feels good in the palm of your hand.
Although intermittent, I am finding that the radio drops completely when I have full LTE to a red triangle.
With Jellybean around the corner (they're are leaks already), I am hoping that my signal issues are addressed.
If so, I will hold on to this until the next glut of "flagship" devices arrive.

I've never experienced the signal issue, but have been reading about it. Try doing an exchange?
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Perhaps with the upcoming update a new radio firmware will improve the signal quality? My Razr has been doing great.
Anyway, I'm keeping this girl. I'm on 1d and 15hrs usage with over 4 hours of screen time. My old g-nex wouldn't have been able to touch 1/2 of that battery performance. the only major issue with this phone, as others have pointed out, is the lousy camera. the camera sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.

shock2sys said:
Perhaps with the upcoming update a new radio firmware will improve the signal quality? My Razr has been doing great.
Anyway, I'm keeping this girl. I'm on 1d and 15hrs usage with over 4 hours of screen time. My old g-nex wouldn't have been able to touch 1/2 of that battery performance. the only major issue with this phone, as others have pointed out, is the lousy camera. the camera sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.
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My thoughts exactly. I don't own it yet but I plan on buying it. Coming from the Nexus S I don't have high expectations in regards to the camera... I'm sad I'm leaving stock AOSP behind though

snowmanwithahat said:
My thoughts exactly. I don't own it yet but I plan on buying it. Coming from the Nexus S I don't have high expectations in regards to the camera... I'm sad I'm leaving stock AOSP behind though
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Its so close to AOSP that I dont think you will be that saddened (at least in the visual sense). With Nova launcher and the stock jelly bean icons, you would be pretty happy IMHO.

its tough for me cuz I have the S3, so its about which one do I want more. Had I not used the s3 I'd think this phone was insane. But I know first hand the camera is well below. And with cm10 and razr m launcher the S3 is basically the same ui.

DertyDOH said:
its tough for me cuz I have the S3, so its about which one do I want more. Had I not used the s3 I'd think this phone was insane. But I know first hand the camera is well below. And with cm10 and razr m launcher the S3 is basically the same ui.
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That Black SGS3 looks great, but with the HTC DNA / Note 2 and even the 8x, I think id rather hold out for those (or keep the razr)

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robstunner said:
That Black SGS3 looks great, but with the HTC DNA / Note 2 and even the 8x, I think id rather hold out for those (or keep the razr)
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Seems like the note 2 is getting awesome battery life....anyone have any opinions on which phone would last longer?

ppau0822 said:
Seems like the note 2 is getting awesome battery life....anyone have any opinions on which phone would last longer?
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I would vote this one. 200mAh more, smaller screen and no touchwiz. Spec wise, the note 2 blows this out of the water in every category other than battery size and durability. Reception probably is better on the RAZR too.
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ppau0822 said:
Seems like the note 2 is getting awesome battery life....anyone have any opinions on which phone would last longer?
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The note 2 battery is awesome and this one also but I got the maxx and the note
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If the camera is bothering you that much just download camera zoom fx from the app store and you will notice a huge difference
But I don't think the stock camera is THAT bad
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i have tried camerazoomfx, it does improve slightly but it is still below par....

[Q] HD/HD MAXX ROMs incoming...?

Hi folks, contract up in January, I'm after a phone with good hardware and long battery life that I can flash to 4.1 vanilla.
Any news on roms in the works for HD and HD MAXX?
I noted there was a 4.1 leak, can anyone confirm if this is vanilla android?

Its vanilla Motorola blur. There is dev support for the HD. there is no recovery for the HD yet. The phone has been out for two weeks. Roms will come
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There is a recovery now. Check the Dev forum. But I'm personally waiting for some stock jellybean ROMs before i unlock my bootloader. To be quite honest though this could be the perfect AOSP device for anyone who prefers all of what the SGS3 has to offer but hates its build quality. But because its development is so close to the Nexus 4's release i fear we won't get much interest in this device because this baby would fly with JB.
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Deus_eps_machina said:
There is a recovery now. Check the Dev forum. But I'm personally waiting for some stock jellybean ROMs before i unlock my bootloader. To be quite honest though this could be the perfect AOSP device for anyone who prefers all of what the SGS3 has to offer but hates its build quality. But because its development is so close to the Nexus 4's release i fear we won't get much interest in this device because this baby would fly with JB.
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The recovery is only confirmed to work on the XT925... All Verizon phones are locked (aside from the developer edition.)
And about the ROMs, yes, they will come... Give it some time.

afmracer6 said:
Its vanilla Motorola blur. There is dev support for the HD. there is no recovery for the HD yet. The phone has been out for two weeks. Roms will come
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This. Also besides the usual Verizon bloat this phone is pretty darn vanilla. When roms do start flowing I'll be happy with a jb debloated Rom.
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theres that one rom Vitreous on rootzwiki so it is starting up without a custom recovery, and I'm sure one will come. But I think they're should be a subforum to separate the gsm and vzw versions to avoid confusion

Check hascodes tweets. He could release safestrap 3 now if people wanted... ROM flashing isn't working right yet apparently but you can still back up apparently.
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DertyDOH said:
theres that one rom Vitreous on rootzwiki so it is starting up without a custom recovery, and I'm sure one will come. But I think they're should be a subforum to separate the gsm and vzw versions to avoid confusion
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Hopefully development kicks start soon.
I agree.... sub forum for development.
Everything else should stay the same.
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Can someone confirm for me how many different types of the HD are around. 925 and 926 in the US, is the International version (I'm in Australia) with an unlocked boot loader the same as your developer edition or is it another version?
I'm trying to decide between a razr HD or a nexus, but don't want to get stuck on old software again.
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Rom http://rootzwiki.com/topic/36022-rom-vitreous-10-11082012-jelly-bean-41-42/

I'm coming from a Galaxy S2 and all its ROMS are slightly broken sue to Samsung not supply documentation or support for some chips. (I get 1-2 RIL crashes a day still)
What is the moto hardware like? Is there good support and can we expect something like a CM10-11 stable? I'm just trying to decide between a Nexus 4 with up to date software or a Razr HD with the bigger battery.

Teejai80 said:
I'm coming from a Galaxy S2 and all its ROMS are slightly broken sue to Samsung not supply documentation or support for some chips. (I get 1-2 RIL crashes a day still)
What is the moto hardware like? Is there good support and can we expect something like a CM10-11 stable? I'm just trying to decide between a Nexus 4 with up to date software or a Razr HD with the bigger battery.
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I made the call to purchase an HD Maxx via Swappa to replace my GNex. Post Jellybean Gnex battery life has dropped to ~6hrs, so battery life became #1 priority for me. However, since I bought the phone at retail price and not through any subsidized plan, I did not sign a new contract. This preserves my unlimited data, and allows me to jump to another carrier if I wish . . . I believe my contract end date is sometime in December.
With the Gnex, Verizon screwed up in such an epic fashion that I was ready to jump ship as soon as the Nexus 4 launched. But its battery being only 2100mah, nonremovable, and wildly varying numbers for battery life as well as its paltry internal storage really put me off.
Still might sell off the Gnex and HD Maxx in a few months . . . a 32GB/64GB Nexus 4 would really help that decision.

Should I trade for a Droid Razr HD?

Straight trade. I need opinions by the morning.
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i would never do that.

Hold onto your S3 , I honestly think you'd be losing out on this one
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Thanks guys, that's how I was feeling too.

The only thing on verizon i would trade for is the droid DNA because of the quad core cpu and 1080p display.

I did exactly that last month. Haven't looked back. But at the same time if I had stuck with the s3 I don't think i would have regretted that either. Razr HD has the great build of aluminum and kevlar, the cool led notification bar under the logo and a nice aosp-ish software build, plus battery life is better. However, run the Razr HD launcher on CM10 on the s3 and thats basically the speed experience you get on the razr. Software stutter included, scrolling left to the quick settings stutters the first time you do it after each unlock, and the camera isn't terrible but is noticeably worse. A little annoying. I'm actually debating going back to the Galaxy nexus for some pure 4.2

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The only thing on verizon i would trade for is the droid DNA because of the quad core cpu and 1080p display.
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Not even the Note 2?
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I did exactly that last month. Haven't looked back. But at the same time if I had stuck with the s3 I don't think i would have regretted that either. Razr HD has the great build of aluminum and kevlar, the cool led notification bar under the logo and a nice aosp-ish software build, plus battery life is better. However, run the Razr HD launcher on CM10 on the s3 and thats basically the speed experience you get on the razr. Software stutter included, scrolling left to the quick settings stutters the first time you do it after each unlock, and the camera isn't terrible but is noticeably worse. A little annoying. I'm actually debating going back to the Galaxy nexus for some pure 4.2
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Have you tried any custom roms?
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Locked bootloaders suck!

For a non max hd? Never. For a razr hd maxx. Yes
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I'd probably do it for the maxx if development picks up.
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If you were to, then definitely go w/ the MAXX. I personally wouldn't trade at all. Best Android on the market based on size and feel.

I'd definitely stick with the S3.
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GS3 or GN2, anything else is a downgrade!

Maybe you have never owned a Moto. I always have until I bought this GS3 because I vowed to dump them for their locked bootloader BS! I was very sick and tired of the inability to load a custom kernel. Do you want to overclock? Do you want alot of development for your phone? I'm not saying there isn't development for moto, but it's a difficult and time consuming process. You may be looking many many months before you can just overclock. Everything is a pain because you have to work around their kernel which can't be touched. Kexec is still fairly new for Moto and last I checked there was only one custom kernel that could be side loaded for the Razr and devs couldn't figure out how to get the second core to work on the CPU. Obviously this is a hot subject with me lol. My last Moto was the "red headed step child"(BIONIC). Bionic..."The machine of all machines" Motorola's Flagship". Then 2 or 3 weeks later the Razr comes out and claim that the flagship! That was strike one and it continued from there through development struggling. The only thing thats good about Moto is there decent build quality, radios, and when something good finally gets developed for it you just about poop yourself!

razz1 said:
Maybe you have never owned a Moto. I always have until I bought this GS3 because I vowed to dump them for their locked bootloader BS! I was very sick and tired of the inability to load a custom kernel. Do you want to overclock? Do you want alot of development for your phone? I'm not saying there isn't development for moto, but it's a difficult and time consuming process. You may be looking many many months before you can just overclock. Everything is a pain because you have to work around their kernel which can't be touched. Kexec is still fairly new for Moto and last I checked there was only one custom kernel that could be side loaded for the Razr and devs couldn't figure out how to get the second core to work on the CPU. Obviously this is a hot subject with me lol. My last Moto was the "red headed step child"(BIONIC). Bionic..."The machine of all machines" Motorola's Flagship". Then 2 or 3 weeks later the Razr comes out and claim that the flagship! That was strike one and it continued from there through development struggling. The only thing thats good about Moto is there decent build quality, radios, and when something good finally gets developed for it you just about poop yourself!
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Yeah, I had the atrix and atrix 2 over on at&t (Atrices?) and the locked bootloader always pissed me off. That's what I love about Samsung, there will never not be a new rom to try.
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I'm with the others, certainly wouldn't do a straight trade.

A HD MAXX probably but not the HD. The camera is pretty bad though.
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syoungblood95 said:
Not even the Note 2?
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No I have small hands and that home button is terrible.
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i have both in my hands right now....traded my galaxy nexus for the razr HD...i love the build quality of the razr, battery life and the motorola radios..however it lacks the developer support that the s3 has...only a few roms out there....both feel about as fluid and fast as the other...so the main question is are you a crackflasher or not.....thats what it boils down to me....plus the amount of accessories for the s3 compared to the razr

The battery isn't a problem for the GS3 because of the fact you can put in a new battery or extended. The Razr line does have nice build quality but ugly design. To me, I think Samsung does a better job with their software and the camera is a lot better vs Motorola. I haven't notice any worst when it comes to wireless radio going from a Maxx to a GS3. The Wi-Fi is better on my GS3. Even though the newer Motorola phones have that "stock Android" look & feel it doesn't feel optimized yet. It lags from time to time. And the Samsung development is way better. The developers have done awesome work and pretty much negated the locked boot loader. Motorola's development is a joke. There's no reason to get a Motorola phone any time soon in my opinion. They haven't stepped anything up in the last few years except for battery life.

ROMs for Thunderbolt

It seems to me like development for the Thunderbolt has almost completely died out. I am strongly considering moving on to something else with an ARM processor and a good battery. If we were given a stable Jelly Bean ROM, then I would have stuck with it longer. The only thing even close is a meshed together 4.0.1 that is still broken in some ways. Is there anything better in your opinion than Jelly Bean with more features and options? What else would you like to say? Thanks!

Due to the fact that I am a Verizon customer w/a tenuous grip on unlimited data and bored w/the non-ICS/Jelly Bean-havin' Bolt, just bought a Samsung Nexus on eBay. Move on, dude, move on.

I have been eyeing the MOTOROLA DROID RAZER MAXX HD. The extra battery life would be wonderful. I will never buy another damn thing from HTC. I don't want to be put on the back burner for Jelly Bean 4.2 or Key Lime Pie. Do you think it will be Déjà vu all over again? Extra long delays or never showing up at all. I think I might be better off choosing a MOTOROLA device now that Google owns them.

Geek_Jed said:
I have been eyeing the MOTOROLA DROID RAZER MAXX HD. The extra battery life would be wonderful. I will never buy another damn thing from HTC. I don't want to be put on the back burner for Jelly Bean 4.2 or Key Lime Pie. Do you think it will be Déjà vu all over again? Extra long delays or never showing up at all. I think I might be better off choosing a MOTOROLA device now that Google owns them.
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Remember locked boot loader unless you get the developer one.
I still love my droidx.. oh they have a workaround for the boot loader but you loose a core (duel core goes to single core)
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Doesn't matter which manufacturer, any device will be extremely lucky to upgrade more than once, if at all.They want you to keep buying the newest thing.
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But the phone manufacturer that updates the most-often, customers will recognize that. Well some customers, anyway.
Not to hijack but what about the Droid X boot loader? You mean X2 since you said the workaround takes a core? And I guess it doesn't apply to the OG Droid X?
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Dude...JB was just released in July...chillax. In the meantime, try checking out twistedumbrella's ICS roms. He's on 4.0.4 now.

NotAnIphone said:
try checking out twistedumbrella's ICS roms. He's on 4.0.4 now.
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I second this. He's continually improving it, although a few people have had bootloops on more recent versions.

Kooomar said:
I second this. He's continually improving it, although a few people have had bootloops on more recent versions.
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Santod's UnSensed ICS over on Infected Rom Forums is pretty awesome too. Feels a lot like Twisted's build in many ways, except that there are Sense apps here and there for functionality and the video camera works.
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