Does HSDPA or HSDPA+ really make your 3G/Edge faster? How? Why would it comes disabled to begin with? Also, any cons to enabling it?
it could be disabled because the carrier doesn't support it. as in the carrier doesn't use hsdpa. i haven't tested the theory, but that would be my guess.
You're likely are using HSDPA right now for your 3G.
HSDPA+ won't give you the speeds you see advertised with HSDPA+ because you likely don't have a HSDPA+ phone. But it will likely max out your HSDPA at somewhere around 7mbps.
3.5/4G (HSPA/HSPA+) also uses more battery power than 2G (Edge), as well.
Oh, thanks for info.
Yeah, I was wondering because I saw in a topic that through the disgnostics menu on my Samsung Focus I could enable HTSPA. Guess I mine as well do it since there's nothin negative about.
I know the original vibrant was a pentaband phone, supporting AT&T's 850/1900 networks as well as t-mobiles 3g networks....
Can anyone confirm the 3g bands on the new Vibrant 4g?
Will there be fast 3g 21mbps for 850/1900 on the modem chip also? ( or 4g whatever you want to call it, in my book its just faster 3g..)
someone enter the debug screen and check which bands are available...
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I know the original vibrant was a pentaband phone, supporting AT&T's 850/1900 networks as well as t-mobiles 3g networks....
Can anyone confirm the 3g bands on the new Vibrant 4g?
Will there be fast 3g 21mbps for 850/1900 on the modem chip also? ( or 4g whatever you want to call it, in my book its just faster 3g..)
someone enter the debug screen and check which bands are available...
cheers!
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How do I get to the debug screen? *#*#4636#*#* gives me WCMDA/GSM under phone info
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stealthj said:
I know the original vibrant was a pentaband phone, supporting AT&T's 850/1900 networks as well as t-mobiles 3g networks....
Can anyone confirm the 3g bands on the new Vibrant 4g?
Will there be fast 3g 21mbps for 850/1900 on the modem chip also? ( or 4g whatever you want to call it, in my book its just faster 3g..)
someone enter the debug screen and check which bands are available...
cheers!
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Curious about this as well. Currently using a vibrant on at&t...
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stealthj said:
I know the original vibrant was a pentaband phone, supporting AT&T's 850/1900 networks as well as t-mobiles 3g networks....
Can anyone confirm the 3g bands on the new Vibrant 4g?
Will there be fast 3g 21mbps for 850/1900 on the modem chip also? ( or 4g whatever you want to call it, in my book its just faster 3g..)
someone enter the debug screen and check which bands are available...
cheers!
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HSPA+ 21 only works with T-mobile, AT&T doesn't use an AWS band, in this case is 1700/2100Mhz.
Someone may have been able to 'trick' the vibrant into using a basic UMTS band on AT&T, but I never heard of it, let alone heard that the Vibrant supported AT&T 3G. The Vibrant has GSM.support for them (2G), I haven't seen anything else.
Where's the supporting documents that people have been getting At&t 3G with a T-Mobile Vibrant?
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HSPA+ 21 only works with T-mobile, AT&T doesn't use an AWS band, in this case is 1700/2100Mhz.
Someone may have been able to 'trick' the vibrant into using a basic UMTS band on AT&T, but I never heard of it, let alone heard that the Vibrant supported AT&T 3G. The Vibrant has GSM.support for them (2G), I haven't seen anything else.
Where's the supporting documents that people have been getting At&t 3G with a T-Mobile Vibrant?
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Trust me.... I'm using a vibrant on at&t with 3g. It does support the wcdma 1900 band. There is alot of evidence of this...heck engadget made a post about this... google it!
Edit: What I was trying to ask is if the galaxy s 4g supports the 1900 wcdma that the original vibrant supported....
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Not sure how I could check unless i unlocked it..
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Not sure how I could check unless i unlocked it..
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That would work....hopefully the galaxy s 4g can be unlocked the same way the previous galaxy s phones could.
In my research I have found that 4G is not backwards compatable with 3G. Someware I read that companys are putting 3G and 4G chips on the new 4G phones to bridge the gap between the 3G chip ability to handle voice and the 4G chip being able to handle data. I can't say for sure if SGS4G has both chips. It's a know issue that the 3G SGS misses calls when connected to a laptop because It does not handle data well in combination with voice. That's why I upgraded to the 4G. I don't think Its going to make a lot of difference until TM gets their HW in place with a backbone that can support it.
Samsung Galaxy S 4G 1900 MHz WCDMA
I bought my Samsung Galaxy S 4G at a T-Mobile store in San Francisco. I subsequently upgraded it to the latest firmware provided by T-Mobile using Samsung Kies.
I usually use WCDMA only mode because GSM causes awful buzzing sound when I use it in my car (I have a FM transmitter connected to my phone).
Anyways, I was curious to see if I'd see AT&T, so I searched for network (still under WCDMA Only mode), and it found both AT&T and T-Mobile.
I pressed *#197328640# in the dialer, and then went to the debug screen/band selection to look at available bands, and it actually does have 1900 WCDMA.
It shows
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900, WCDMA 2100 (FDD I), WCDMA 1700 (FDD IV), WCDMA 1900(FDD II).
I don't know if AT&T SIM would work since my phone is locked but I can report back once I get it unlocked.
EDIT: Reading an old post of mine, I realized that my memory played a bad trick on me. My tests DID work on 1900 WCDMA and DID NOT work on 850 WCDMA, just opposite to what I wrote earlier in this post. --sorry
fm219 said:
...Anyways, I was curious to see if I'd see AT&T, so I searched for network (still under WCDMA Only mode), and it found both AT&T and T-Mobile.
I pressed *#197328640# in the dialer, and then went to the debug screen/band selection to look at available bands, and it actually does have 1900 WCDMA.
It shows
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900, WCDMA 2100 (FDD I), WCDMA 1700 (FDD IV), WCDMA 1900(FDD II).
I don't know if AT&T SIM would work since my phone is locked but I can report back once I get it unlocked.
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I don't think it would work. For reference, here is a side by side band comparison between my Vibrant (tested 3G on AT&T) and my coworker's SGS 4G (locked, untested).
The essential band here is the 850 1900 WCDMA, but the "overflow" 850 WCDMA is missing and I couldn't make it work anyways (I'm in Houston, maybe it is not switched on here).
My understanding is that AT&T usually uses 1900MHz for 3G, and in certain cities where they don't have enough bandwidth in 1900 MHz like NYC and SF, they use 850MHz.. so you could still get by with only 1900 MHz, no?
EDIT: Reading my old post, my memory played a bad trick on me. My test DID work on 1900 and DID NOT work on 850, just opposite to what I wrote earlier on this post.
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My understanding is that AT&T usually uses 1900MHz for 3G, and in certain cities where they don't have enough bandwidth in 1900 MHz like NYC and SF, they use 850MHz.. so you could still get by with only 1900 MHz, no?
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Yep, thats what I have heard as well. Now one thing of note. When I tested my Vibe, it only worked on the 850 1900 WCDMA band. Could not make it work on the 850 no matter how hard I tried. I'm in Houston for that matter and maybe this 850 WCDMA is not enabled here.
This was my test: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9958501&postcount=14
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EDIT: Reading an old post of mine, I realized that my memory played a bad trick on me. My tests DID work on 1900 WCDMA and DID NOT work on 850 WCDMA, just opposite to what I wrote earlier in this post. --sorry
I don't think it would work. For reference, here is a side by side band comparison between my Vibrant (tested 3G on AT&T) and my coworker's SGS 4G (locked, untested).
The essential band here is the 850 1900 WCDMA, but the "overflow" 850 WCDMA is missing and I couldn't make it work anyways (I'm in Houston, maybe it is not switched on here).
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I'm currently unlocked on AT&T and i'm on 3G. I ALWAYS have an issue with upload speeds, but otherwise download speeds are just fine.
I attached four photos, of the available bands with my CURRENT galaxy S 4G unlocked on AT&T.
Also, a speed test I ran. That download speed is WAY higher than average because it was taken when the network was under the lightest usage possible, late at night.
Oh wow, over 5Mbps download on AT&T?
Are you on AT&T's 4G (HSPA+) or 3G?
I'm supposedly on T-Mobile 4G (my phone shows 4G when I download/upload), but I don't ever get 5Mbps. I get usually something around 2~3Mbps down and 1Mbps upload. I'm in the Bay Area.
I went into phone debug page, and one of the screens says HSDPA[0], HSUPA[0]. It also says network status: HSDPA (sorry I don't have the exact info on me right now).
Am I really just on HSDPA, not HSPA+? Is there a definite way to find out what my phone is using? Thank you.
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Oh wow, over 5Mbps download on AT&T?
Are you on AT&T's 4G (HSPA+) or 3G?
I'm supposedly on T-Mobile 4G (my phone shows 4G when I download/upload), but I don't ever get 5Mbps. I get usually something around 2~3Mbps down and 1Mbps upload. I'm in the Bay Area.
I went into phone debug page, and one of the screens says HSDPA[0], HSUPA[0]. It also says network status: HSDPA (sorry I don't have the exact info on me right now).
Am I really just on HSDPA, not HSPA+? Is there a definite way to find out what my phone is using? Thank you.
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Technically I'm on HSPA+, though this phone doesn't even cover all of the "necessary" bands.
Look, to edit what bands you're on go into the market and download SGS Tools.
Then, go into the first line (Secret Codes) and hit Band Selection.
I'm on AT&T so I'm not sure what bands you need, but you can manually select them in there.
To check the band you're on, go to GSM Status in the "Secret Codes" page again.
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Oh I know I'm on 1700/2100 MHz because that's the only frequency (AWS) that T-Mobile uses for WCDMA/UMTS/4G/3G.
I downloaded Phono, and it says Network Type is HSDPA. Shouldn't it say HSPA+? I'm just wondering if there's an easy way to tell if I'm really on 4G (aka HSPA+) as opposed to 3G.
I actually messed around with debug settings last night so I'm worried that I screwed it up....
Thank you!
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Oh I know I'm on 1700/2100 MHz because that's the only frequency (AWS) that T-Mobile uses for WCDMA/UMTS/4G/3G.
I downloaded Phono, and it says Network Type is HSDPA. Shouldn't it say HSPA+? I'm just wondering if there's an easy way to tell if I'm really on 4G (aka HSPA+) as opposed to 3G.
I actually messed around with debug settings last night so I'm worried that I screwed it up....
Thank you!
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Which debug settings did you change?
And as for Phono (which I've never even heard of/used until now), my phone says HSDPA as well, which, quite frankly, makes no sense. I guess you can technically get speeds of around 5MBPS on HSDPA but it's not typical.
You should easily be able to tell whether you're on HSDPA or HSPA+ with the 4G/3G connectivity icon. in your status bar.
Now, I'm no expert, but hopefully that answers your question.
I played around with GCF settings. When I go into debug mode, there was something about choosing Rel.6 or Rel.5 or cancel settings.. And then also, if you do *#3214789#, you can enable/disable GCF Mode.. which I have no idea what it is about....
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fm219 said:
I played around with GCF settings. When I go into debug mode, there was something about choosing Rel.6 or Rel.5 or cancel settings.. And then also, if you do *#3214789#, you can enable/disable GCF Mode.. which I have no idea what it is about....
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Hmm...that's awfully strange.....
I can't find anything about it anywhere....
Try restoring using ODIN yet?
I mean, if the phone is that messed up since you messed with that setting.
I put my friends att sim in my unlocked sgs4g to test and the 3g sign came up by the bars as well as the att operator logo didn't really test out speeds but im guessing that the 3g sign wouldn't have came up unless it was really picking up that frequency.
I do not know if this is allowed and if it is not sorry but it is not a best of thread. I have been having trouble getting good speeds since the switch and have tried numerous combinations but get crappy speeds like .11 mbs down and .12 up
I was wondering what works for you and what speeds are you getting.
Like I said this is by no means a best of thread I just thought this would help others like me who are having trouble getting good speeds on our phones.
Any downloads to the radios not listed in the radios thread would be appreciated.
And if this thread is off limits I am sorry. Just thought I would help us newbies out!!!!!!
Thank you
Jeff
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I do not know if this is allowed and if it is not sorry but it is not a best of thread. I have been having trouble getting good speeds since the switch and have tried numerous combinations but get crappy speeds like .11 mbs down and .12 up
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What gives me a little pause here is that those settings and radio combinations will yield different results based on where you are located. Do you know anyone in your area with an HSPA+ phone who can run speed tests to compare your speeds against? It could just be that you're in an area with bad backhaul.
two important bits of info are missing what network type is your phone connected with (g e 3g h h+), and what radio are you using?
lart2150 said:
two important bits of info are missing what network type is your phone connected with (g e 3g h h+), and what radio are you using?
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Radios I have used:
Blaze_4G_LB7_ICS
ULCD2
I727-UCMC-NO-CSC-NO-RIL
UCLK4-NO-RIL
UCLL3-NO-RIL
SGH-T989_UVMC6
SGH-T989D_TLMC4
TMO-SGH-T879-UVLG3
TMO_SGH-T909-UVLH1
I AM USING cm10 STABLE
NETWORK TYPE IS hsdpa:8
Hope that helps
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A good first step is to find some friend with a good t mobile hasp+ phone (like galaxy s2 T-Mobile or galaxy nexus for instance) ...See what speeds they're getting on T-Mobile data...If they're not getting good speeds on their phones, you'll never get good speeds obviously...Remember you're using a phone which was made to be used with AT&T....And from my observation most of those who use the SR with T-Mobile they get similar issues like the ones you're describing , t-mobile switched to the 1900mhz spectrum in some areas that would probably help a little, but obviously that's not something that you can do anything about...
If you really need tmobile service, it's best to trade your SR with a tmobile galaxy s2 , at least that I would do if I was in your situation,I don't like buggy phones or services...
Take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507825
It's a long thread but covers this issue pretty well. As far as I can tell there is no hardware-based reason a Skyrocket can't work on Tmobile as well as a dedicated tmobile S2.
I have been using a skyrocket on tmobile for a few months. I couldn't get better than 2G speed until I flashed a new radio and twiddled the apn settings. I get pretty consistent 4G now.
This is what I get using T769UVLH5 radio from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1895400
Be sure to thank him:good:
I know you're getting different answers here but if you took an at & t skyrocket it means you have bands 850/1900Mhz for 3g ( don't even think about 4g lte at this point) while tmobl works on 900/1700/2100 3g bands. This means your phone is physically not capable of locking on those bands because it doesn't have them. All it's probably doing is sticking to the old EDGE network since it is a quad band edge.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
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I do not believe that is the case. The skyrocket radio software limits the available bands. Loading a tmobile radio enables the required frequencies.
i727 freq's:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100
Frequecy Source: GSMARENA
i727 freq's:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100
Thank you vinocm
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From what I've gathered the skyrocket has the same radios as the Hercules, it just has the added lte hardware. I am on 4.2.2 slim using the le1 radio. Still get random no signal dropouts but not as bad as the others. Think my ril and csc files are wrong so it looks like I have to flash a stock ROM to get them back. Anyone using a stock Hercules ROM?
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Take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507825
It's a long thread but covers this issue pretty well. As far as I can tell there is no hardware-based reason a Skyrocket can't work on Tmobile as well as a dedicated tmobile S2.
I have been using a skyrocket on tmobile for a few months. I couldn't get better than 2G speed until I flashed a new radio and twiddled the apn settings. I get pretty consistent 4G now.
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I don't think our channel can do dual channel h+ where the T989 can.
for the others our phone has a penta-band radio it is physically cappable of talking to t-mobile on it's 3g,h,h+ networks just not with the att or rogers radios.