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Optimus 2x miui in progress, WAB G2X? Discussion

http://miui-dev.com/forums/showthread.php?4679-ROM-WIP-LG-Optimus-2X-Port-In-Development
Any news for g2x? I have taken a break from making roms and am also new to Porting roms, so someone should have a go.
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Can't be too far behind. Its what I'm looking forward to most.

Yes!!! I love me some Miui :-D
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After seeing the new update for the MT4G, I can't wait for MIUI! I haven't been this excited about it in months.

EmceeGeek said:
After seeing the new update for the MT4G, I can't wait for MIUI! I haven't been this excited about it in months.
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I've never personally used MIUI but from what I have read people either love it or hate it. Why do you want it so much? What are the benefits?

its AOSP and the UI is different from the android we are used to here in the US. Even if you use a different launcher. Lots of extra features and customization to be done also.

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I've never personally used MIUI but from what I have read people either love it or hate it. Why do you want it so much? What are the benefits?
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I've used it.. and loved it on my G2. It's android with the iPhone polish man. Lots of great eye candy, downloadable boot animations themes, wallpapers, ringtones, notifications, etc... all built in. a GREAT task management/settings/net traffic tracker... built in.
I would suggest you give it a shot when it comes out. TONS of features.
Here's what i boils down to"
If you like a smooth clean polished and highly customizable UI (a lot of the work done for you.. it eliminated my need for quite a few apps I use for system management)... you'll like this.
if you want to run a stock vanilla form of android that allows YOU to do all of the tweaking and enjoy adb pushes and coding... run CM7 (which is also a FANTASTIC option)

I personally liked how aesthetically pleasing miui is. But I bought an android device to run android os not ios ;-)
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I know BUT ios is polished so is miui. It's the best of both worlds
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Right.. that's my point. it doesn't LOOK like iOS.. but i don't think ANYONE would argue that iOS has a lot more "love in the UI details" (ie... POLISH.. it's nice looking and consistently so). While android.. is definitely a hacker/programmers UI. VERY tweakable and functional.. just not that nice looking.

the resemblance it iOS is really peoples only objection to MIUI but the fact is that's only the default launcher. change the launcher and its no longer an issue.

Really?!? people think it looks like iOS?!? why because they're no app drawer? that's literally the only thing I can think of that's like iOS that isn't part of android anyway. (they both have dockable apps at the bottom, they both have a status bar with signal/time/date/etc). otherwise.. it's just Android with some UI love (polish). that's IT.. and like you said.. you can change the launcher.. but i don't see a reason to.

True. The only other thing is the way they changes the ticking system to the tab system. That's all i can think of.
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btate0121 said:
Really?!? people think it looks like iOS?!? why because they're no app drawer? that's literally the only thing I can think of that's like iOS that isn't part of android anyway. (they both have dockable apps at the bottom, they both have a status bar with signal/time/date/etc). otherwise.. it's just Android with some UI love (polish). that's IT.. and like you said.. you can change the launcher.. but i don't see a reason to.
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the icons themselves have an iPhone feel to them as well. as for the launcher.. that comes down to preference.

regP said:
the icons themselves have an iPhone feel to them as well. as for the launcher.. that comes down to preference.
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But there are themes. If you really hate iPhone you can still live with miui.
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I'm quite aware of that. I'm pro-MIUI.. Had it on my Vibrant since it was released for the phone. I was just saying the default theme is what turns people off of the ROM upon first glance.

There are lots of benefits to MIUI. For starters it usually runs VERY fast. It was the first rom to include toggles in the notification menu (CM7 does this now too). Also the menu's are no longer 6 squares, but listed. The whole OS is themable (CM7 is now too).
I am not particularly fond of the homescreen setup (No App Drawer) because all of your apps are on your desktop like iOS. The stock launcher is basically the same as iOS except you can put icons anywhere and supports widgets.
The Icons are very pretty and large, which I like.
You can accomplish most of this by using CM7, a good CM7 theme, and ADW EX with a MIUI theme.
I'm all about more custom roms. I enjoyed MIUI for a few days but damn CM7 nightlies always have me going back to try out the new features.

MIUI is a lot more than a simple skin. As others have said, its blazing fast, has amazing features built in (I really like being able to control all of my connections by the dropdown bar and even being able to reboot and such through the same bar) and is extremely polished.
The availability of themes can make it decidedly un-iOS very easily. The customization options built into the ROM are absolutely insane and I have it on my Inspire as well as my Captivate - I really hope someone picks it up and ports it to the G2x.
In comparison to most other devices, development on the G2x seems to be pretty slow overall which is a huge bummer. I guess too many people are busy constantly exchanging their devices to actually get cracking on development. *eye roll*

iOS5-like Notifications?

How difficult would it be to do notifications like those shown in iOS5 (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/gallery.html#video-ios)?
They sure look good from a UI standpoint (I never found the stock Android notifications bar very elegant, or useful (it gets too cluttered).
If someone can build this into a ROM or a launcher, it would make many of us very happy.

No it wouldn't.
To me it looks like ****.
Pure copy of Android.

Only real difference I can tell is that the notifications are separated instead of all running into each other. Mail is under the mail title bar, messages is under the messages title bar, etc.

They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good

voodooboy3000 said:
They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good
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I'm gonna pretend I never heard that.

Just get yourself a iPhone and you can get it
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How difficult would it be to do notifications like those shown in iOS5 (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/gallery.html#video-ios)?
They sure look good from a UI standpoint (I never found the stock Android notifications bar very elegant, or useful (it gets too cluttered).
If someone can build this into a ROM or a launcher, it would make many of us very happy.
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Yes, but notifications have nothing to do with the launcher! They are included in the ROM itself.
No hope to find an app for that!

Making it would be easy, but finding someone that is willing to do it is harder
I could probably do it, but who wants it anyway?
Most people here are Apple haters.

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They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good
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Not really? They're just squares.

I don't like Apple but i would like to see this running on our device.i mean really they copied the notification idea from android
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Why would you want something like that? Apple does many things but none of it is done properly.
Multitasking - its actually just alt + tab, apps do not run in the background, they are paused, that totally contradicts the term multitasking.
Browsing - wow I didn't even know they do not have text reflow, omg so lame, they just included it in this new update. It also doesn't have flash and the speed can't match android.
What UI? Oh you mean the app drawer, yeah it looks...limited. No scrollable wallpaper and no widgets, just a bunch of apps without any type of organization. I laugh at iFans telling me that they don't need widgets. Actually if you show off with some of the android exclusive features they say they do not need it, but once it's introduced in their crapOS they think its the best thing ever invented.
I'm only looking forward for the next android version which brings hardware acceleration, iOS will totally be left behind.

raymond4 said:
I don't like Apple but i would like to see this running on our device.i mean really they copied the notification idea from android
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Oh great, lets pull the "patent" card. Samsung must of copied iOS by making their TouchWiz launcher appear as iOS.
Regardless of whatever someone suggests, Android is all about openness and options. If a dev wants to do it, go ahead. If you don't like it, then don't go in their threads bashing the idea.
The idea for Android is all about options, some you may like, some you won't. Move on.
The notification system actually came from a developer from the Cydia store. Apple hired him and he made their notification system.
Proof: http://www.gadgetera.in/apple-hired...ogether-a-better-ios-notification-system/834/

My bad bro i didn't mean to bash anyone of the idea of them doing this.
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profete162 said:
Yes, but notifications have nothing to do with the launcher! They are included in the ROM itself.
No hope to find an app for that!
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detailed its a part of the systemui.apk and it would not that hard, but look at MIUI! Miles better than the apple crap
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I like the feature of having sliders on the lockscreen for all the different types of notifications which unlocks the phone and immediately opens up the corresponding app. That's a very nice addon.

I cant believe the ignorance of this OP, "iOS5-like notifications" more like android like notification + weather it justs adds clutter to the importantance of notificaions i think just a degree # would be it maybe in a miui rom or somethin

This is true. iOS is a really aesthetically pleasing UI. Android just feels bare bones. I personally own an iPad and I was playing around with some Android tablets at the store and boy were they ugly. I don't know, it just seems so bad.
Why can't we have nice apps like Apple?
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fraspas said:
This is true. iOS is a really aesthetically pleasing UI. Android just feels bare bones. I personally own an iPad and I was playing around with some Android tablets at the store and boy were they ugly. I don't know, it just seems so bad.
Why can't we have nice apps like Apple?
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I can agree that Apple's apps are somehow better than Android. But I can assure you that, Android is growing ridiculously fast Probably just another few months, you will see that APPLE Android's will be equally good than Apple!
You say they are ugly? I can assure you that just searching around this forum, you can find theme and wallpaper and icon pack that is amazingly astonishing

meetagrawal said:
I like the feature of having sliders on the lockscreen for all the different types of notifications which unlocks the phone and immediately opens up the corresponding app. That's a very nice addon.
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We already have this feature via an application called WidgetLocker. And it is very nice, but apple is quite a but behind the 8 ball on this one. I have been running this feature via this app for at least 6 months now!
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This is off topic, but watching that video just made me angry. Is apple seriously that arrogant? "iOS is the world's most popular gaming platform". Are you serious? I can hear Gabe Newell laughing from here...

what/where/how is ICS better then GB ???

i just don't see this point ...

It looks clean and makes less 'fragmentation'. It also has roboto font and face unlock, but not much else

qtwrk said:
i just don't see this point ...
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Faster smoother all around GPU acceleration, smooth browser.
All around better experience than GB
like having a new phone
Have u even tried it?

demo23019 said:
Faster smoother all around GPU acceleration, smooth browser.
All around better experience than GB
like having a new phone
Have u even tried it?
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yes , like MIUI , DIANXIN , CM9 and STOCK , brah brah
smooth ? i'm quite happy with what i have now , browser as well.
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shadowskorch said:
It looks clean and makes less 'fragmentation'. It also has roboto font and face unlock, but not much else
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hmmm , i don't have any sight problem ...so roboto font isn't much good to me
face unlock ...yeah , that google employee had failed face-unlock representation in EXPO ... -___________-!!!

Ics rocks!
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Ics rocks!
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= = , but how ?

How was 2.3 better than 2.2.
If you have an upgrade up for grabs without any concequences, why not take it and try it out?
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It seems better to me in every way except time allowed for devs to find tweeks. A true comparison would be stock to stock.

qtwrk said:
i just don't see this point ...
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1. swipe away notifications
2. more consistent look-and-feel with the fonts and colours
3. much nicer stock gapps
4. a better unlock screen, including the camera unlock and "My name" text option
5. resizable widgets
6. better organization of menus and submenus
7. works on tablets AND phones
8. more intuitive way to add widgets and organize your home screens with folders
9. better multi-tasking with the recent apps screen
10. face unlock

kto_matchu said:
1. swipe away notifications
2. more consistent look-and-feel with the fonts and colours
3. much nicer stock gapps
4. a better unlock screen, including the camera unlock and "My name" text option
5. resizable widgets
6. better organization of menus and submenus
7. works on tablets AND phones
8. more intuitive way to add widgets and organize your home screens with folders
9. better multi-tasking with the recent apps screen
10. face unlock
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Most of this is available in CM7, ADW Ex, some add ons etc.
Many don't care about face unlock, multitask changes but the honeycomb style gmail widget is nice.

bjrmd said:
Most of this is available in CM7, ADW Ex, some add ons etc.
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Then what's so great about Gingerbread? You can find most of the GB advantages in Froyo custom ROMs. Or most of FROYO custom ROMs in Eclair custom ROMs. This kinda defeats the point of the question, right?
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Many don't care about face unlock, multitask changes
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Hey, they're still fair answers someone will care about them and they're still technically "an advantage"

Not everyone is gonna like it, but I've been running various ICS roms since it came out, and I can't go back to GB. To be honest, when I use a phone with GB now, I immediately think "eww..." in my head. It just feels really ghetto compared to ICS.

kto_matchu said:
Then what's so great about Gingerbread? You can find most of the GB advantages in Froyo custom ROMs. Or most of FROYO custom ROMs in Eclair custom ROMs. This kinda defeats the point of the question, right?
Oh
Hey, they're still fair answers someone will care about them and they're still technically "an advantage"
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Addons are now optonal instead of mandatory to get a good experience. That's a huge improvement already.
Previous I wouldn't upgrade to other roms cause it took forever to add everything back. Now things just work out of the box. It's kinda like going to a mac from a PC.

You mean spending twice the money for the same hardware?

albundy2010 said:
You mean spending twice the money for the same hardware?
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My company pays for my laptops so money doesnt matter. Sometimes you pay more than twice the money for less hardware if you really look at it.
I'm just saying that its easier to get up and running with a mac than a pc (and to try and bring it back to the original topic) just like it is easier to get up and running with ics than gb

Disagree with both.

maybe you've never really given both a honest try.

I have given both a honest try. That is irrelevant anyways

Multitasking: how bad is it?

Hi folks
I'm still on the edge between an iPhone and a HOX. Could someone please discuss the state of the multitasking issues on the AT&T HOX and summary of fixes?
Specifically my question is this: there are some services that always need to be running to get notifications, like free texting apps or skype. Some services upload photos in the background, like Dropbox. Is it true that these services get killed by the multitasking as well on stock?
I've heard that Dropbox does get killed. I've never heard anything about skype and similar apps that need to sit in the background listening, so I imagine they are working fine on stock Sense?

pausaniasx said:
Hi folks
I'm still on the edge between an iPhone and a HOX. Could someone please discuss the state of the multitasking issues on the AT&T HOX and summary of fixes?
Specifically my question is this: there are some services that always need to be running to get notifications, like free texting apps or skype. Some services upload photos in the background, like Dropbox. Is it true that these services get killed by the multitasking as well on stock?
I've heard that Dropbox does get killed. I've never heard anything about skype and similar apps that need to sit in the background listening, so I imagine they are working fine on stock Sense?
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When I was on Sense roms with stock multitasking, I never had issues with long-running background services being killed. It was only things like the browser being killed and having to reload and other apps that have their front end killed.

Can't really comment on the services you mentioned, but just some general observations about multi-task:
Some people have complained that during games, if you do something else, like say someone sends you an SMS and you respond, that when you go back to the game, your progress will not have been saved. I don't have time for games these days. So I can't personally comment on that.
Really, it depends on how you use your phone. For some people, the multi-tasking behavior is a deal breaker. For me, I'm fine with it. I mostly only notice it when leaving the browser. It will almost always have to reload the webpage you were looking at.
Have you actually compared the iPhone and the One X in person? There really is no comparison between the two. The huge gorgeous screen of the One X makes the iPhone look like a toy.

You're worried about multitasking but you're willing to go iPhone? Lol hox will be fine
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Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen. The PPI and brightness are almost the same between iPhone and HOX.
And iphone doesn't kill your game progress and clear your text entry fields when you switch apps. And it doesn't silently kill Dropbox while it's uploading (it does kill it, but gives Dropbox a chance to notify of that first).
The jailbreak tweaks for iPhone are for my purposes completely on par with android.
My only reasons for considering switching is that the iPhone is going to get harder and harder to jailbreak (I'm expecting a 6 month wait this time). plus lose google maps which is a huge debacle.
I'm open to HOX but would need a fix to the multitasking issues.

pausaniasx said:
Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen.
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That's just a rumor, and its been the same (incorrect) rumor for the last 1-2 iPhone versions, at least.
My bet is on the screen size of the iPhone is not changing any time soon. If they make the screen much larger, and keep the resolution the same, it will look like crap. If they change the screen resolution, they fragment the iOS that they have keep pretty much unified for 5 years. People keep talking about the "iPad Mini" (something around a 7" iPad), but my hunch is that is not going to happen either, for the same reasons of not fragmenting iOS. But those are just my personal gut feelings.
And seriously, if you haven't held a One X in person, do it. The screen size is gigantic compared to the iPhone. You have to see it to believe it. My previous phone was a Desire Z, which had a form factor not much different from the iPhone. When I go back to it (pulled some files off it), I can't believe I ever used a phone with a screen that small. Similar feelings when I pick up my wife's iPhone.
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I'm open to HOX but would need a fix to the multitasking issues.
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There has been some fixes to multi-tasking, both available as a stand-alone mod, and on custom ROMs. So check out Development, and read more on it if nobody chimes in about those here. As I mentioned, I've been fine with multitasking. So I haven't tried any of the mods.
Also, the Asia 2.23 firmware makes changes to both the multitasking (how aggressively idle processes are killed) and free memory at boot (how much memory Sense takes). A new AT&T firmware (2.20) is just now rolling out OTA as we speak, and likely has the same tweaks. So that in itself might fix what you want. But like I said, I don't game these days, so I can't say.

pausaniasx said:
Well the iPhone is going to get a bigger screen.
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I don't think it's going to be 4.7" big. That's quite a shoe to fill. PPI is less of an issue for both the phones. Unless you have amazing vision or whip out a magnifying glass, you can't even see individual pixels. A higher PPI is usually a better thing, but beyond a certain point, it becomes indistinguishable.
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And iphone doesn't kill your game progress and clear your text entry fields when you switch apps. And it doesn't silently kill Dropbox while it's uploading (it does kill it, but gives Dropbox a chance to notify of that first).
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At least with an HTC One X you can control how the multitasking behaves. However, I do want to address two issues: 1) the clearing of the text boxes has more to do with the apps you're using than the multitasking itself and 2) unlike the HTC One X, apps like Dropbox can't just linger in the background and upload new images as they're taken. I ran into that limitation quite a bit back when I still had my iPhone.
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The jailbreak tweaks for iPhone are for my purposes completely on par with android.
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I know this may sound like blasphemy in this community, but I wouldn't ever recommend buying a phone simply based on what you can do after you root/jailbreak. Usually you can reasonably expect a method for root/jailbreak to come alone, but you can never guarantee it. Always pick a device based on how it suits your needs and desires without any extensive modifications.
All of this being said, even with multitasking being as it is on the HTC One X, I'd still recommend it over an iPhone. As previous users have mentioned, the effect of the stock multitasking setting is only visible on things like web browsers and some games. If you go under the system settings and modify its behavior, you'll probably achieve the desired effect. If you don't feel like tweaking system settings, you can always install an app like SMS Popup which lets you quick-rely to messages without ever leaving your current task.
One thing I do pride Android on is the ability to have background tasks for applications. With my iPhone I would find that (aside from default apps like Mail and Messages) certain apps wouldn't provide notifications when they should have. For example: if I hadn't launched Words with Friends since a reboot, I'd never get notifications from it. Same thing with uploading images from Dropbox.
The other thing that persuaded me to switch to an Android device was the ability to customize and personalize out of the box. On an iPhone, the most you can do is change backgrounds/sounds/icon arrangement. On an Android device you have full control over your home screen. You can manipulate icons arbitrarily (putting gaps between them, skipping pages, remove icons without uninstalling the app, etc), you can install widgets to quickly access information/settings/apps at a glance, live wallpapers, and even make shortcuts (such as a one-click "Directions to get Home" and "Sound Settings"). Heck, you can even install custom keyboards.
All-in-all it took me about a week to get used to how Android does things, but whenever I play with my old iPhone (my girlfriend uses it now), things just don't feel quite right. The best way to describe it is that on my HTC One X, I get to make the rules. I get to decide how things look and feel and how the system responds to my actions. Playing with my iPhone I feel like I'm not making any of my own rules. Sure, I can change some settings, but compared to Android it feels like a thin veil over how Apple things I should use my device.

Get everything you want now, or wait for a possibility.
Btw multitasking never kills any of those things mentioned. Drop box never stops during uploads.
Android> iOS
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Thanks for the replies. I have spent about an hour playing with HOX in store and tons of time researching whether it can suit my needs.
Franklly it has been hard to track down android equivalents of everything I can do on jail broken iOS. For reading full emails without unlocking the device it looks like a combination of widget locker and a few widgets can do it, but it just feels a bit hacked together and not as polished as Lockinfo on iOS, which is a one-stop solution. And there doesn't quite appear to be any replacement for Activator, which is a unified gesture framework where you can do things like turn on the flashlight by pushing both volume buttons at the same time and bring up the previous app with a slide on the status bar. Now I know if I look hard enough something similar for android will turn up but will it be as well supported as these iOS tweaks with hundreds of thousands of users? not so sure.
In the I think the iPhone is under appreciated here in terms of how professional the jailbreak community is and how it can easily match android for power and tweak ability. The main issue is that apple is hiring the jailbreak developers and jail breaking itself will be incredibly hard as time progresses because it relies on patching binaries and finding vulnerabilities.

The multitasking seems to be improved in the 4.0.4 update.
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pausaniasx said:
Thanks for the replies. I have spent about an hour playing with HOX in store and tons of time researching whether it can suit my needs.
Franklly it has been hard to track down android equivalents of everything I can do on jail broken iOS. For reading full emails without unlocking the device it looks like a combination of widget locker and a few widgets can do it, but it just feels a bit hacked together and not as polished as Lockinfo on iOS, which is a one-stop solution. And there doesn't quite appear to be any replacement for Activator, which is a unified gesture framework where you can do things like turn on the flashlight by pushing both volume buttons at the same time and bring up the previous app with a slide on the status bar. Now I know if I look hard enough something similar for android will turn up but will it be as well supported as these iOS tweaks with hundreds of thousands of users? not so sure.
In the I think the iPhone is under appreciated here in terms of how professional the jailbreak community is and how it can easily match android for power and tweak ability. The main issue is that apple is hiring the jailbreak developers and jail breaking itself will be incredibly hard as time progresses because it relies on patching binaries and finding vulnerabilities.
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Android as a whole is much better than ios. I owned four, yes four iterations of the iPhone and jail broke them all. I have also owned 2 android devices. Take it from someone who has owned and rooted/jail broke both. Android is better.
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Hey, if the man wants to create an android vs iPhone thread, then state he wants the iPhone, who are we to correct him. He's not going to change his mind and never had any intention of doing so. Just let the sheep be.
I think you should just get the iPhone.
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Some of the people here may say its not that bad, but trust me dude compared to other android phones its pretty damn bad, bad enough for me to get rid of the phone. Ie, if you are listening to music and browsing. Go change the song and come back to be greeted by the web browser reloading the WHOLE PAGE over again.
Really go play with one in the store before you make your decision id say, as a poster before me mentioned one of the gleaming features of android is its ability to multitask amazingly, if thats absent then its terrible. Imo the multi tasking on the hox is below even that of the iphone. Just really play with it before you make a decision, with that said i wouldnt necessarily say the hox is a worser phone than the iphone even, it isnt. Its a great phone and is still imo better than the 4s today.
I REALLLLY do miss my hox sometimes though, the amazing build quality. and the display really owns anything else on the market right now.

unleashed12 said:
Some of the people here may say its not that bad, but trust me dude compared to other android phones its pretty damn bad, bad enough for me to get rid of the phone. Ie, if you are listening to music and browsing. Go change the song and come back to be greeted by the web browser reloading the WHOLE PAGE over again.
Really go play with one in the store before you make your decision id say, as a poster before me mentioned one of the gleaming features of android is its ability to multitask amazingly, if thats absent then its terrible. Imo the multi tasking on the hox is below even that of the iphone. Just really play with it before you make a decision, with that said i wouldnt necessarily say the hox is a worser phone than the iphone even, it isnt. Its a great phone and is still imo better than the 4s today.
I REALLLLY do miss my hox sometimes though, the amazing build quality. and the display really owns anything else on the market right now.
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Pretty sure that only happes with the stock browser... So that's a pretty damn bad example.
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ECEXCURSION said:
Pretty sure that only happes with the stock browser... So that's a pretty damn bad example.
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Nope, i used chrome actually. Also happens with tons of other apps, used to redraw my sms app all the time too.

Doesn't Android have some kind of popup that you can use to control your music without having to leave the app?

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Nope, i used chrome actually. Also happens with tons of other apps, used to redraw my sms app all the time too.
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Alright, just tried both the stock browser with Pandora and the stock browser with google music player.... The page will not reload if I switch apps and change a song. So either you're lying or aren't using HTC's latest code. This is on CleanROM 4.5.
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ECEXCURSION said:
Alright, just tried both the stock browser with Pandora and the stock browser with google music player.... The page will not reload if I switch apps and change a song. So either you're lying or aren't using HTC's latest code. This is on CleanROM 4.5.
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You're not honestly promoting the stock One X's multitasking ability, are you?
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Well, the new recent update made multitasking a LOT better. As in it doesn't suck.
Vendetta-NY said:
You're not honestly promoting the stock One X's multitasking ability, are you?
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redrubberpenguin said:
Well, the new recent update made multitasking a LOT better. As in it doesn't suck.
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Correctamundo... I was referring the very well documented multitasking woes on 1.73 and 1.85. But from all I've read, the new update goes a long way to fix multitasking. Looking forward to getting it! I really love this phone, even if I do stick to only the stock ROMs.

[Q] Ready to take the plunge and start flashing

Rooted, unlocked, and backed up my imei and ready to flash. I'm backing up all my apps using Titanium Backup. What system apps do I back up if I want to restore call history, contacts, and text messages? Can these easily be restored after flashing the cm10 daily rom? Also, is it okay to backup systemui.apk using TiBackup? I have a custom one that was offered in the dev section.
And just another dumb question, but data on sdcard and ext_sdcard won't get wiped?

You don't really want to restore system app because they change from rom to rom. So that includes your system ui. I personally use sms backup from pay sure for texts and call history, it seems to not do pictures messages so save any pics you want. Finally your contacts i hope are saved to your Google account....if not use backup assistant or export to sd card.
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What exact is IMEI and why does it matter for root stuff

s.a.shannon4 said:
What exact is IMEI and why does it matter for root stuff
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It's basically how Verizon recognizes your phone if it gets needed up you won't be able to make calls or use data
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So I flashed CM10. I really really don't get the big deal haha. I guess I'll play around with Google Now.
The only things I kind of miss so far is S-memo that I actually did use a lot. Anyone have suggestions for a good handwritten-note alternative?
Also missing a lot of widgets from the pull down notifications.
It does seem speedier and I'll see how my battery goes.
This was my first time doing this so it took me like almost an hour to restore everything from Titanium Backup. I like how my Apex Launcher goes back to almost exactly as it was, except the widgets have to be readded.
But overall if I'm not seeing a big difference as a daily driver, I might just go back to stock rooted as I was pretty happy with that anyways.

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Also missing a lot of widgets from the pull down notifications.
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I don't remember exactly where it is, but look around in the settings. I know there is somewhere where you can customize the "Power Widgets" as I believe they are called. Add/remove, reorder, I actually like it a lot better than touchwiz's quick buttons.
Although I don't blame you if you go back. As much as I loved CM10, (I know I will get my head ripped off for saying this but...) I actually kinda missed Touchwiz's apps. I hated the new contacts app, and I missed the camera, calculator, calendar, and dialer. But if you do go back, might I suggest trying a custom TW based rom. I'm running synergy and I love it!

CM is all about clean look, speed, no crap, straight android. The theme engine allows for some pretty awesome customizations using downloaded themes from the play store.
If it's not flashy enough for you, you want to stick with a touchwiz based rom-stock, cleanrom, synergy, jellywiz (jb), etc.
But before you do that, throw a theme like dustinb's cobalt line of themes. These make cyanogen rom's very tempting. I personally am just waiting for that stable release cm10 release.
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annoyingduck said:
CM is all about clean look, speed, no crap, straight android. The theme engine allows for some pretty awesome customizations using downloaded themes from the play store.
If it's not flashy enough for you, you want to stick with a touchwiz based rom-stock, cleanrom, synergy, jellywiz (jb), etc.
But before you do that, throw a theme like dustinb's cobalt line of themes. These make cyanogen rom's very tempting. I personally am just waiting for that stable release cm10 release.
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I'm running CM10 M1...and I only have one problem alarm sound won't work!
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CM is all about clean look, speed, no crap, straight android.
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For me at least, my choice to stick with TW wasn't about the theme, it was about features. I absolutely can't stand the layout of the contacts app, that's the big thing stopping me from switching. The dialer in CM10 doesn't let you spell out contact names like the TW one. Admittedly I like the theme of the calculator and calendar on TW better, but it's nothing that would stop me from enjoying wonderful AOSP.

CM10 - a quick review
I agree with noingwhat here... I missed a lot of the apps in TouchWiz in a mere three hours straight of playing with CM10.
I seriously find the camera to be embarrassingly bad, at least in terms of look & feel compared to the tw camera.
The same goes for the calculator. I'm sure it does what it needs to, but it just doesn't look very polished. These are two apps that I use on a really frequent basis. Are these what the stock apps look like on a Nexus?
I also was not a fan of the Contacts app, and for whatever reason, couldn't find a way to explicitly link each contact to their Facebook profile.
One other small nitpick, I think the slide to unlock in TW was done very well. You simply swipe in any direction. Having to swipe in a specific direction on a 4.8 inch screen is just asking for your phone to fall out of your hand. Also, I can't see the clock on the lockscreen due to my wallpaper being a lighter color. I refuse to change my kate upton wallpaper lol.
I liked how the text message threads looked in JB over tw. TW looks plain silly sometimes.
My APW widgets look a lot better in JB than in TW, especially when using the ICS skin for apw.
I really loved the transition animations in CM10 overall. I also liked the little animation you get when the screen turns off. Very very cool.
Anyway, since I was using Apex launcher already, it had the same look and feel on CM10 as I did on stock-rooted (although I admit CM10 was a bit zippier). I really think I just missed the apps too much but I did enjoy the modern, clean, and sleek look and feel in straight JB.
But!! On the plus side, I was able to get to recovery, perform backups, restore my apps and text messages, all on my first try without bricking my phone. I was able to return to my Nandroid without any problems either.
I appreciate all the work done by the CM team but I'm hoping it comes along a bit further in the near future. All my opinions are obviously subjective, so I hope it's all taken with a grain of salt. I'm a long-time lurker here so I'm just glad to see that someone new can eventually get the hang of all this.

I have to say after playing around with CM10 for about week I have to agree.
There was a time when AOSPs like CyanogenMod was far better than any of the Manufacturer Skinned android variants. HTC Sense on my OG Droid Incredible was considered by many to be the best OEM skinned Android variant and CM6 left it in the dust. It was more stable, faster and had more features.
However, TouchWiz is pretty damn good. The Samsung apps are strong(with the exception of S-Voice). Its pretty fast(once you turn off S-Voice). Its still needs a little project butter and Google Now but other than that imo its pretty solid.
Now of course there are specialty thing like overclocking or drastic UI changes that require custom roms but 90% of users have no desire to do any of that stuff.
I still love AOSP roms and I'll probably keep tinkering with them, but staying with TouchWiz isn't the worst decision in the world.

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I liked how the text message threads looked in JB over tw. TW looks plain silly sometimes.
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I forgot about the messenger too. I actually prefer the messenger in TW over JB, but as far as the settings and overall UI, I prefer JB. If only I could get the apps, that's all I want.