As you know our android devices did not use that from the beginning to the ics. Our devices was not smooth as iPhone coz it didnt use gpu instead of cpu in transitions as i hear. But ics uses hw acceleration and it is smooth on even i9000. Now i ask you, is it possible to port hw accelaleration to our gingerbread devices as a mod or tweak?
Ps: i am a noob about these things for now sorry if i am wrong but i said these as i understood
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As you know our android devices did not use that from the beginning to the ics. Our devices was not smooth as iPhone coz it didnt use gpu instead of cpu in transitions as i hear.
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It's not true.
1. We have acceleration. But this is not requirement. IE developers can use hw acceleration and can not use it. For iPhone they should use only accelerated API.
2. In iPhone the user interface process has realtime priority. When user made some action, all background processes stopped and only process processed user action will work: try open some page in browser and while it is loading try to move the screen. The loading will stopped. In Android UI process is usual process. When you will move the page in browser it will continue loading the page. But because not all CPU used for work with UI process it can be lesser smooth than iPhone one
It's just different logic of UI. That's all.
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Ya but I have used iphone 4. And believe me guys our phone looks really a piece of crap infront of iphone. Its really smooth like silk. Our phone lag like hell when we want to do some heavy multi tasking (only 3-4 apps). But with nearly 11 open apps still iphone run so much smooth. I accept that its not open source bla bla bla...but remember guys still android has to learn a lot to reach level of smoothness of iphone.
The advantages of Android will be on multicore CPUs. This is because of logic. While one core will be executing UI process, others will execute other processes. On IOS all other processes will be frozen
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vishal24387 said:
Our phone lag like hell when we want to do some heavy multi tasking (only 3-4 apps). But with nearly 11 open apps still iphone run so much smooth.
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That tends to happen when you have 3-4 processing apps and compare it to 11 frozen apps. Try having a few apps idle in the background on the i9003 and it's smooth as silk too.
Are you sure about GPU ? I don't think our i9003 use that.
A made a test : Opera mobile is the best browser ever because of he uses GPU acceleration. And the GPU acceleration is so awesome wich some big websites are more smooth in i9003 than iphone 4. If all the UI use the GPU, I don't think the phone laggy.
Ryryoku said:
Are you sure about GPU ? I don't think our i9003 use that.
A made a test : Opera mobile is the best browser ever because of he uses GPU acceleration. And the GPU acceleration is so awesome wich some big websites are more smooth in i9003 than iphone 4. If all the UI use the GPU, I don't think the phone laggy.
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I am agree with Ryryoku, the smoothness of opera mini/mobile gives as same experience as we get in iPhone , so i think his point is valid, this is the reason why Opera is smoother than any other browser of android...
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The OS seems to be lagging. It could be the hardware or maybe its the infancy stages of Honeycomb, but not a single thing on the TF is smooth.
-Switching home screens lags
-Playing Angry Birds lags
-Window animations lag
[Q] Is anyone else getting these problems?
It kind of hinders the experience, and for industry leading specs, the performance is quite poor.
The only lag I've noticed so far is with the keyboard input on web pages.
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The OS seems to be lagging. It could be the hardware or maybe its the infancy stages of Honeycomb, but not a single thing on the TF is smooth.
-Switching home screens lags
-Playing Angry Birds lags
-Window animations lag
[Q] Is anyone else getting these problems?
It kind of hinders the experience, and for industry leading specs, the performance is quite poor.
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Have you tried using Advance Task Killer to kill background running apps or processes? This helps me when I experienced any lags.
I have never experienced lag on Angry Birds, but then again you may be running more apps than me.
denverseven said:
The OS seems to be lagging. It could be the hardware or maybe its the infancy stages of Honeycomb, but not a single thing on the TF is smooth.
-Switching home screens lags
-Playing Angry Birds lags
-Window animations lag
[Q] Is anyone else getting these problems?
It kind of hinders the experience, and for industry leading specs, the performance is quite poor.
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I experienced this a few days after I got my tablet. It ended up being an app/widget I had installed off of the market called weather3d. As soon as I tracked the problem down and uninstalled the app, it was smooth again. Kind of scary how much a wonky/non honeycomb tested app can destroy the performance of your device.
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I have never experienced lag on Angry Birds, but then again you may be running more apps than me.
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I checked out my memory usage, at the moment the tablet is telling me I am using 157 mb and have 353 mb of Ram left.
evensen007 said:
I experienced this a few days after I got my tablet. It ended up being an app/widget I had installed off of the market called weather3d. As soon as I tracked the problem down and uninstalled the app, it was smooth again. Kind of scary how much a wonky/non honeycomb tested app can destroy the performance of your device.
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Unfortunately, it was lagging out of the box. I was showing it off to my sister and she's like "what are you trying to show me, the sketchy transitions?"
Maybe its all the widgets? I have all the stock ones including calendar, youtube, android market, and browser widgets
Mine is laggy too especially during home screen transitions using the HC launcher. It is noticeable especially if you are coming from an iPad. I have read that 3.1 fixes these problems and transitions are silky smooth with no lag. I'm currently using Launcher Pro with 1 home screen since I don't use widgets and I like to keep all my apps on one screen. This seems to save on RAM and makes app switching smoother.
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Unfortunately, it was lagging out of the box. I was showing it off to my sister and she's like "what are you trying to show me, the sketchy transitions?"
Maybe its all the widgets? I have all the stock ones including calendar, youtube, android market, and browser widgets
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I have all of the stock widgets and then some. Runs as fast as any other tab I've seen including if ad. I'm also running the newer firmware 8.2.3.9.
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I have all of the stock widgets and then some. Runs as fast as any other tab I've seen including if ad. I'm also running the newer firmware 8.2.3.9.
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How much RAM is everyone getting. My tablet is reading out 185 mb being used and 380 mb free, so a total of 565 mb.
I know the tablet is supposed to have 1 gb of RAM.
Turn the Live Wallpaper off.
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How much RAM is everyone getting. My tablet is reading out 185 mb being used and 380 mb free, so a total of 565 mb.
I know the tablet is supposed to have 1 gb of RAM.
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Turn the Live Wallpaper off.
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I don't have live wallpaper. Plus, if I did, isn't it supposed to handle it?
I was getting lag with the default launcher, right now using VTL Launcher and its much better. I am getting lag with the browser (default) but with the debug tweak pages are loading much faster then before but theres times when it does lag. Was getting lag with the asus keyboard and just the android one and its much better.
Like any techsupport would ask:
what have u loaded on-the-job tablet? And don't say nothing because everyone loads at least one thing on a new tablet.
Have u tried to remove all installed apps (and Flash-bet u installed that)?
Have u rooted it yet?
Have u tried to root it yet?
Have u attempted/completed any firmware upgrades?
Are u using a dock?
Have u tried it without the dock?
Have u tried a hard reboot (hold power button for 12-15 secs?
i get panel transition lags when i set some live wallpapers
stock, no root, with latest firmware
If u want no lag and and want to use as many widgets with out system lagging do this
1 download ADW ex in market
2 go to adw setting and go to general behavior,animations and effects, transition effect and select *Curve ( I've tryed all pf them and some reason curve has the best fluid swiping)
4 make sure wallpaper scrolling is disabled
5 set desktop bounce to 15
6 set scrolling to 230
This is my way of a lag free life.
Also turn off alm the gestures there not needed
Ill do a video of before and after soon
You are correct...that really made my home screens fly!
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Like any techsupport would ask:
what have u loaded on-the-job tablet? And don't say nothing because everyone loads at least one thing on a new tablet.
Have u tried to remove all installed apps (and Flash-bet u installed that)?
Have u rooted it yet?
Have u tried to root it yet?
Have u attempted/completed any firmware upgrades?
Are u using a dock?
Have u tried it without the dock?
Have u tried a hard reboot (hold power button for 12-15 secs?
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-First thing out of the box: lag from scrolling. Then got flash, still lagging
-then got Angry Birds
-then got other android apps
-Not rooted, haven't tried
-just got notice of available firmware update today, will do after battery charges past 50
-No dock
-hard reboot did help a touch
I think I will try to restore it factory settings first, then runnig the firware upgrade, then getting flash. Will post results
Good News! I restored the tablet to factory settings and actually restored it from backup after that. Here is what I have noticed:
-The tablet is working much faster now, with no appreciable lag. Still some tiny amounts here and there but totally forgivable
-The preloaded music (4 songs) was gone. I think this means that before the ship the tablet they preload it with random software. So now its all gone, and whatever was causing the slow down before is gone now as well.
-I restored from back up so I have all my apps back as well as flash and it works perfect
-Also, the Asus keyboard no longer lags! Which is great because I like it better than the Android one. So if anyone wants to use the Asus keyboard without lag, just reset your tablet to factory settings.
Thanks for all the help everyone, I will still try Cowballz69 idea to speed it up even more
Guys, I know NOTHING about any kind of programing, development or Android.
I am experiencing it for less than a month! (And I loved it)
The only downside from ipad2 (Yeah.. I said it) is feel of GUI.
I read a lot of xda and rooted my device, loaded clockwork, installed tiamat 1.4.4 and clocked it to 1.6 (interactive), and loaded Launcher pro.
So I think it is as far as I can get close to THAT feeling of smoothness.
In my last week of massive Googling I found out that at Android 3.x,
there is 2d hardware acceleration for apps that have the proper code. And GUI is not using it currently.
Is it possible to write down a Launcher app that have actual 2D Hardware Acceleration at GUI?
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Turkawa said:
Guys, I know NOTHING about any kind of programing, development or Android.
I am experiencing it for less than a month! (And I loved it)
The only downside from ipad2 (Yeah.. I said it) is feel of GUI.
I read a lot of xda and rooted my device, loaded clockwork, installed tiamat 1.4.4 and clocked it to 1.6 (interactive), and loaded Launcher pro.
So I think it is as far as I can get close to THAT feeling of smoothness.
In my last week of massive Googling I found out that at Android 3.x,
there is 2d hardware acceleration for apps that have the proper code. And GUI is not using it currently.
Is it possible to write down a Launcher app that have actual 2D Hardware Acceleration at GUI?
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Who says the stock launcher has hardware acceleration off? Have you checked the AndroidManifest XML to verify?
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Who says the stock launcher has hardware acceleration off? Have you checked the AndroidManifest XML to verify?
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What is that?
I only tell you what I remember from heaps of reading I did..lots of them junk probably..
But it makes sense.
I can play a 3d game flawlessly and my icon jitter and stutter when I scroll from A screen to B screen?
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Here it is..
Romain Guy wrote
" It is not turned on by default for compatibility reasons. Not 100% of the Canvas API is supported when turned on (although the missing parts are very few and rarely used) and there might be bugs in the new implementation. There are also new constraints (for instance if you try to draw a bitmap larger than the maximum OpenGL texture size, it will fail.)
The new rendering pipeline also uses native display lists for each View, which triggers bugs in some apps. For instance, if a View relies on its parent to invalidate() to redraw itself, it's a bug in the app, but it "works" without hardware acceleration. It will however not work with hardware acceleration on.
Our goal is to make hardware acceleration on by default as soon as possible but we do not want to break apps. That said, apps using standard views and APIs should work just fine."
Much more detailed at
hxxp://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html (cant post links yet)
I dont know If ADW ex or Pro launcher uses 2D_HWA.
But as far as i know both these apps are not optimized for honeycomb yet.
And i hope thats true. Couse if they are, that means thats all we can get from xoom on "Sliding icons" department.
Turkawa said:
Guys, I know NOTHING about any kind of programing, development or Android.
I am experiencing it for less than a month! (And I loved it)
The only downside from ipad2 (Yeah.. I said it) is feel of GUI.
I read a lot of xda and rooted my device, loaded clockwork, installed tiamat 1.4.4 and clocked it to 1.6 (interactive), and loaded Launcher pro.
So I think it is as far as I can get close to THAT feeling of smoothness.
In my last week of massive Googling I found out that at Android 3.x,
there is 2d hardware acceleration for apps that have the proper code. And GUI is not using it currently.
Is it possible to write down a Launcher app that have actual 2D Hardware Acceleration at GUI?
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I agree.....UI seems very laggy to me compared to my iPad 1....its not even close to being on the same level of the iPad 2.
Currently I am using the Weapon G2x 3.0_R1, with the latest GO Launcher. Ive realized that even at 1.4GHz (for testing purpose only, i normally run @ 1.1 or 1.2 max), I still lag with that "sphere" animation on homescreen, however in app drawer it is extremely smooth no matter what. The lag is especially worse with live wallpaper (even with other 2d animation it gets choppy)
Maybe its all the widgets I am running I dont know, but Ive seen the GPU power on this phone when I run GTA3 and all the other 3d games etc, it should be able to handle these simple 3d rendering from home screen scrolling......
So I am guessing the hardware acceleration isnt enabled by default....
Does anyone know how to enable it? I've only found the build.prop tweak on SGS2 forum which didnt help (tested, same choppy animation). Any veteran user can teach me how to tweak g2x so go launcher/weapong2x will optimize the rendering?
Thanks in advance.
hhwong said:
Currently I am using the Weapon G2x 3.0_R1, with the latest GO Launcher. Ive realized that even at 1.4GHz (for testing purpose only, i normally run @ 1.1 or 1.2 max), I still lag with that "sphere" animation on homescreen, however in app drawer it is extremely smooth no matter what. The lag is especially worse with live wallpaper (even with other 2d animation it gets choppy)
Maybe its all the widgets I am running I dont know, but Ive seen the GPU power on this phone when I run GTA3 and all the other 3d games etc, it should be able to handle these simple 3d rendering from home screen scrolling......
So I am guessing the hardware acceleration isnt enabled by default....
Does anyone know how to enable it? I've only found the build.prop tweak on SGS2 forum which didnt help (tested, same choppy animation). Any veteran user can teach me how to tweak g2x so go launcher/weapong2x will optimize the rendering?
Thanks in advance.
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Well first there's no full hardware acceleration on Weapon as that's just a GB ROM and not an ICS ROM. The lag you're experiencing is probably just due to Go Launchers coding. I don't think it was meant to be smooth with all those widgets plus a live wallpaper running. I use GO Launcher as well and love it, but I use the standard animations rather than the spherical ones.
Also, that build.prop tweak in the SSG2 forum was there because the GB SGS2 ROM actually has hardware acceleration. But that's only for that phone, that's why it didn't work for you.
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Well first there's no full hardware acceleration on Weapon as that's just a GB ROM and not an ICS ROM. The lag you're experiencing is probably just due to Go Launchers coding. I don't think it was meant to be smooth with all those widgets plus a live wallpaper running. I use GO Launcher as well and love it, but I use the standard animations rather than the spherical ones.
Also, that build.prop tweak in the SSG2 forum was there because the GB SGS2 ROM actually has hardware acceleration. But that's only for that phone.
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Ahh....well do you happen to know any launcher with that sphere animation? That is basically the only thing I like about GO Launcher lol. I just want a launcher with that animation running at at least 50+ fps. I heard awd EX is very good though, any experience with that?
What are the advantages and/or disadvantages of enabling "force GPU rendering" and "disable HW overlays"?
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Hi,
You can test easily by yourself and see if you see any advantages and/or disadvantages, right? Just tick/untick and even no need for a reboot... It tends to make some old apps smoother.
If it helps you, here are two quotes that summarize well.
About "force GPU rendering":
Enabling this preference in developer options offloads task of rendering window components like buttons, text and complex 2d graphics calculations to GPU. This often results in much faster UI rendering including animations.
On one side you will definitely achieve better frame rate (and hence smooth experience) throughout system, but you may end up using more battery. On certain devices, GPU consumes more power the CPU, hence you may observe 5-15% lower battery life with option enabled.
I would recommend having this option enabled on devices with weaker CPUs e.g. You should seldom need to enable this on dual-core 1.4ghz ARM CPU.
offloading UI rendering to GPU has obvious benefits so that CPU can work on other important tasks like database IO, data manipulation, layout calculations and responding to other user inputs.
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About "HW overlays":
molesarecoming said:
... hardware overlay allows the renderer to take a couple of regions aside and treat them optimized. then theres the cpu and gpu. usually android decides which abstraction is best for each view, taking things like transparency into account and what not. you switch hw overlays off, project butter goes out of the window but cpu and gpu still do the job. you force gpu, the composition will be done by your gfx chip. just don't touch it - its meant for developers picking up debugging output.
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I have force GPU rendering enabled since years, it helps about smoothness in XDA app for example, on my side never encountered any side effects, at least for me.
Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for. I usually keep force GPU rendering on as well but always had mixed results with disable HW overlays. The definitions helped make sense of that.
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Hi. I'm rooted with xposed- stock os. I know that I can no longer enable art so i am wondering if this is the same.... Can I enable the GPU HW and rendering without a brick or bootloop
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dec1153 said:
Hi. I'm rooted with xposed- stock os. I know that I can no longer enable art so i am wondering if this is the same.... Can I enable the GPU HW and rendering without a brick or bootloop
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Hi,
No, it's not the same thing, about ART: http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...dicated-runtime-thread-art-vs-dalvik-t2516646.
And yes you can enable them without any issue, nothing related to Xposed (unless an Xposed module breaks something related to those options but I highly doubt). If you want to be sure then make a Nandoid backup before (in any case the "Disable HW overlays" doesn't persist at boot).
Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?
damanrico said:
Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?
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no. i haven't yet experienced any (major) lag in any app (have Play Store obviously and Reddit is Fun installed).. currently on 1.13.401.1.. also as some apps are smooth for you and others not, i would say blame the apps, but lag and smoothness are such subjective terms that I can only say I don't see any lag.
damanrico said:
Hi,
I've noticed that some apps run very smooth, but others can lag for no reason.
For example Play Store. When you open Play Store and start scrolling to the bottom of the home screen (lets say 3-4 rows of apps per swipe down) it lags a lot. It's nowhere close to being smooth. Even when you're at the bottom so everything has loaded, it still isn't smooth when scrolling up and down using normal scroll speed.
Reddit is Fun is also an app that has lots of lag / stutters for me.
Does anyone else experience this?
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Do you have a password manager such as LastPass installed? They can cause lag issues if you have the accessability option set to fill passwords in apps.
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no. i haven't yet experienced any (major) lag in any app (have Play Store obviously and Reddit is Fun installed).. currently on 1.13.401.1.. also as some apps are smooth for you and others not, i would say blame the apps, but lag and smoothness are such subjective terms that I can only say I don't see any lag.
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Well I can't really blame Play Store since it's a default app. If you don't experience such lag, it must have something to do with my device.
jsaxon2 said:
Do you have a password manager such as LastPass installed? They can cause lag issues if you have the accessability option set to fill passwords in apps.
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Nope.
Here's a short video with GPU Profiling on showing the spikes and stutters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyyZc-_UGI&feature=youtu.be
damanrico said:
Here's a short video with GPU Profiling on showing the spikes and stutters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyyZc-_UGI&feature=youtu.be
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i can experience the same "problem" you have. Everybody has it , trust me, but not everybody is sensible like we are.
i also see that the "go back" animation for example in settings is also stutter in 2 /10 times.
boby3104 said:
i can experience the same "problem" you have. Everybody has it , trust me, but not everybody is sensible like we are.
i also see that the "go back" animation for example in settings is also stutter in 2 /10 times.
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Thanks for your reply.
It's strange to me that the top of the line hardware can't even manage to make scrolling a default app like Play Store feel smooth. Even when viewing text comments within the Reddit is Fun app isn't always smooth. That's just scrolling text, not even loading images.
I guess I have to deal with it then. I expected more for this price range.
It's not the device. It's just poorly written apps. Compare for instance Facebook app and metal on older devices. They do the same thing but the experience is night and day. This a fairly new device so updates will come but playstore always stutters no matter the phone. It's been like that for years and I tried maaaaany devices
yes it has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware/device. like @mlodykaras said, it just poor coding.
Okay thanks for all your feedback guys!
Let's hope Google will learn how to write applications for Android correctly :silly:
Well to come back to this. The lag is just insane, there's no other way to put it. When I compare scrolling through the same text with my old Lenovo K3 Note, the U11 lags and stutters all the time while the Lenovo K3 Note doesn't stutter at all. That's just scrolling through text!
I've noticed that if you change the Interactive governor to Performance, the U11 doesn't lag anymore. But this isn't great for the CPU and for battery life of course.
Video 1 shows a 1080p 60fps Twitch stream. You can notice there are some spikes and overall it's close to the green line.
Video 2 shows the same 1080p 60fps Twitch stream. You can notice there are no spikes and overall it's not even close to the green line.
Video 3 shows the same comment thread in Reddit is Fun. I start by using the Performance governor and you can see me switch to the Interactive governor a little later. It's clear there are a ton of spikes using Interactive.
This really shouldn't be happening on such an expensive device.
I've even reverted back to stock using RUU, fresh install no restoring done. Same issues.
I have also noticed few apps other than play store. I am from India and some apps like BookMyShow & Inbox from Gmail stutters and there are always some frame drops. I tested BookMyShow in One plus 5, it runs very smoothly. Idk why it is like this and whether it'll be corrected or not.
My old debloated Galaxy S6 had smoother scrolling in apps in comparison with HTC10 and U11. HTC should adjust some kernel settings ot OS to fix this, it is very annoying. I really hope it will be fixed with Oreo update.
Windforce0511 said:
My old debloated Galaxy S6 had smoother scrolling in apps in comparison with HTC10 and U11. HTC should adjust some kernel settings ot OS to fix this, it is very annoying. I really hope it will be fixed with Oreo update.
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I don't think it would get fixed with oreo update as its not something that requires an overall new version of android.
Had it supposed to be changed, it would've changed by HTC in those 2-3 updates came out till now after the launch.
Problem with HTC is they do not take or even consider feedbacks unless there is some major major glitch.
For HTC this scrolling stutter and overblown of highlights and light sources in camera is just minor issues and they don't care about it.
On the other hand, there is google which takes every feedback seriously and tries to improve the Pixels on the software level as much as the software can.
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Problem with HTC is they do not take or even consider feedbacks unless there is some major major glitch.
For HTC this scrolling stutter and overblown of highlights and light sources in camera is just minor issues and they don't care about it.
On the other hand, there is google which takes every feedback seriously and tries to improve the Pixels on the software level as much as the software can.
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Well Google does create Android so...