This is shaping up to be a real iPhone contender for what looks like might be solid, quality, construction out of metal.
http://www.pradaphonebylg3.com/en/02-design.php
This is insanely nice .
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If it wasn't android I'd buy one to go alongside my lumias.
The more I think about it, that Prada 3.0 would be perfect for the Espier Launcher. Too bad this phone won't be out here for a while yet...if ever.
I just don't get the point in low-grade software on a high end device. It worked for the HD2 I guess.
Isn't that a women's brand?
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Isn't that a women's brand?
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The LG Prada was the first phone with a capacitive touch display despite what ifans might say. I believe the original iPhone screens were bought from LG. Yes, LG is a brand of purse, but in this case it's more a notion of quality. LG was garbage in the mobile industry, as the LG incite or some stupid name like that it'd have been completely ignored. With the prada name they had a shot.
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I just don't get the point in low-grade software on a high end device. It worked for the HD2 I guess.
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Well they obviously can't put iOS on it. And if they have any intention of selling any, they certainly wouldn't consider WP7 unless it makes some huge gains in marketshare any time soon. Android is popular, easy and on able devices, runs smooth and without issue. LG made the right choice. No question.
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Well they obviously can't put iOS on it. And if they have any intention of selling any, they certainly wouldn't consider WP7 unless it makes some huge gains in marketshare any time soon. Android is popular, easy and on able devices, runs smooth and without issue. LG made the right choice. No question.
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Oh no, you used the word smooth to describe android. Here comes Zee to rip your head off.
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I just don't get the point in low-grade software on a high end device.
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It's extremely simple: You're not the ruler of the world, so you thinking Android is "low-grade software" does not make it so.
They don't build a bugatti and put a four cylinder in it. Android is the choppiest, slowest, and most broken of any of the major cellphone OSes.
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They don't build a bugatti and put a four cylinder in it. Android is the choppiest, slowest, and most broken of any of the major cellphone OSes.
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They don't build a bugatti and put a governor on it. WP7 is the most restricted and locked down of any of the major cellphone OSes.
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Android is the choppiest, slowest, and most broken of any of the major cellphone OSes.
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Yes, oh great and all-knowing ruler of the world.
Hoping it'll change the color UI depending on the Time and season ( something like Sony S500i ) cause it'll be kinda ugly if it's always black
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Lol ok bud... Obviously millions of folks don't mind. Mine is smooth as butter, let's me customize it when I get phone ADD and it's just overall a pleasant phone experience. Methinks your Android woes come down to user-error. How anyone can blast Android, but so ardently defend a technological abortion like WP7 is beyond me.
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Lol ok bud... Obviously millions of folks don't mind. Mine is smooth as butter, let's me customize it when I get phone ADD and it's just overall a pleasant phone experience. Methinks your Android woes come down to user-error. How anyone can blast Android, but so ardently defend a technological abortion like WP7 is beyond me.
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It's the tiles. They're... They're beautiful. And they move around ever so smoothly.
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Ok so I keep reading posts that android is so slow, so can anyone give any evidence for this being true other than personal bias for against an os as I have only used windows (pre wp7) symbian and android and my android phones have always been good.
For example what makes android slow if it is?
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mistermentality said:
Ok so I keep reading posts that android is so slow, so can anyone give any evidence for this being true other than personal bias for against an os as I have only used windows (pre wp7) symbian and android and my android phones have always been good.
For example what makes android slow if it is?
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Not sure if this is what you mean but, the slowness regarding Android is often related to its lagginess. And the easiet example of this is the dialer in Android. Tapping the number buttons will immediately show how Android can be laggy. In iOS and Windows (WP6.5 & WP7), tapping the number buttons brings an instantaneous response. In Android there is always a lag between the tap and response. Some Androids are better than others but there is always a certain amount of lag.
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Not sure if this is what you mean but, the slowness regarding Android is often related to its lagginess. And the easiet example of this is the dialer in Android. Tapping the number buttons will immediately show how Android can be laggy. In iOS and Windows (WP6.5 & WP7), tapping the number buttons brings an instantaneous response. In Android there is always a lag between the tap and response. Some Androids are better than others but there is always a certain amount of lag.
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Or you could just swipe between homescreens, through a lengthy text, or many other things. It's also the least user friendly aside from perhaps blackberry and has the most bugs. It's also the only OS where you can get viruses from the marketplace.
I get instant number on screen when pressing in dialer and swiping through screens is smooth, if there was way to attach video I would show what I mean.
Only lag I experience is when it frees ram to run a large app like a game as then there is I admit often a noteable delay.
But yes viruses I have heard of on the market, they were malware apps quickly removed but android market itself is not great. Just haven't had any issues on my lg with scrolling or swiping speeds etc and am using stock gingerbread with go launcher so can't confirm that and I use my phone a lot.
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These days this two devices have the same ram, same processor speeds and in general similar specs.
Now WP7 has such a smoother feel than androids almost in every way. So that makes me think is OS wise and not hardware.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you think Google will ever try to optimize their OS?
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I would think as we hit 2.4, Android will be at it's best, if not, then 2.5?
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The Android UI is not that optimized, i really hope they give the user experience some more love in 2.4...
Android has become the big cheese in operating systems, it will be harder for any other to compete in the same arena. What Apple and Windows will do is create their niche' market and bleed it for all they can get.
This thread is a flame war waiting to happen
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This thread is a flame war waiting to happen.
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I'll say.
To OP: What do you want out of your phone? Do you want to keep it safe or are you feeling adventures? Smooth animations vs customization?
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I'll say.
To OP: What do you want out of your phone? Do you want to keep it safe or are you feeling adventures? Smooth animations vs customization?
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I want both lol.
Maybe wait for HTC Sensation? It looks like a very nice phone with a updated version of Sense interface which is good and I'm sure it will be pretty.
The Android UI is not that optimized, i really hope they give the user experience some more love in 2.4...
good..................
Well, if anyone can compete with android I'd say its MS. Windows is still a pretty solid platform and they seem to realize that UI optimization sells phones. We'll see how it develops, I have nothing against WP7 as long as it evolves as an open platform for third party developers the way windows is.
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Well, if anyone can compete with android I'd say its MS. Windows is still a pretty solid platform and they seem to realize that UI optimization sells phones. We'll see how it develops, I have nothing against WP7 as long as it evolves as an open platform for third party developers the way windows is.
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Agreed, I really feel like WP7 is underrated, by the looks of it, it could easily be that solid 3rd behind iOS and Android.
Whats their API situation anyway? Is it managed code for everyone like android and java or do they let you go lower level for the win?
YouTube - Google I/O 2011: Accelerated Android Rendering
At the beginning of this video, they basically state that because "Dual core and quad core devices are coming out" that there will be no FULL hardware acceleration in Android...ever...
In a nutshell, they're saying the general public will buy a phone because "IT HAS 5 CORES!" or w/e and not know the difference between GPU and CPU usage. I find this amazing that Android phones, often associated with lag on even dual core phones, still find this a low priority when they are trying to compete with Apple (and potentially Windows Phone 7 someday).
I played with a Motorola Xoom yesterday in the Sprint store (to see what hardware acceleration would POSSIBLY be like in ICS and further beyond). The animations were smooth, but there was STILL some lag (I suppose this is because of larger screen and more pixels needing to drawn.....but why does the iPad and iPad 2 use hardware acceleration so much better with large screens....?) I know in 3.1 they say they're supposed to better support hardware acceleration, so maybe the demo unit I tested still had 3.0....
For the first time, I've actually been considering dropping Android and moving onto Windows Phone 7 in the future. I was really looking forward to the future of Android, but it looks like Google really is only a cash cow looking to cash in on consumers' lack of knowledge on this issue...
EDIT: I know that it has been said that Android will be hardware accelerated, but I guess I was posting to get an understanding on WHY Romain Guy said this....it's conflicting to what has been stated and confusing....
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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I've actually been playing with my Nexus S a little more and try to push it to see if there is lag, and I agree wholeheartedly....if the speed only improves from here then I'm a happy camper I guess. I think this is due to the fact that there are some parts of hardware acceleration present in Gingerbread currently. If they enable "more hardware acceleration" then I guess it will be much smoother (which there already is virtually zero lag to this phone). I played with other phones in Sprint yesterday, and even comparing the Nexus to the Xoom, the Nexus was faster (albeit, smaller screen means faster drawing and smoother....). I used to have the Epic and that lagged also quite a bit as well (thanks Touchwiz).
You do make an interesting point that I never thought about when comparing iOS to Android with the app drawer example (thanks for that). I hate iOS, and Apple (although the iPhone 4 device itself is dead sexy). Lol...I'm actually kind of disappointed in myself for comparing the smoothness I guess and falling for the Apple "trap".
If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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THIS.....At the event, they said that apps can be hardware accelerated. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will bring the true "iOS" like experience to opening apps, and once the app is open it will be smooth like iOS from there (if the line of code is added by the developer(s)).
The scrolling IS smooth on Android, but not iOS smooth. For example (using a static wallpaper) scroll and notice it is smooth. However, add a YouTube widget to the screen and then click the search icon.....on my Nexus it will lag for a second or two (like it's thinking about it) and then present me with the window transition to the search bar screen. THAT, to me, suggests CPU "thinking" and NOT GPU "thinking". I guess I just notice a lot of elements that can sometimes tax (an extremely light tax thanks to EXT4, but a tax) on the CPU sometimes when it comes to animations and window transitions.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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No its not and though I didn't start with the original iphone or iphone 3g, I have a iphone 3GS, iphone 4, and an ipad. Statement holds bud.
I like to switch around, I also have a black berry, but Android is superior in every way...though I do not own a windows phone 7 device as of yet.
I love how you say my entire statement is ridiculous and bring up scrolling...did I mention scrolling? NO...did that have anything to do with what I posted? NO...
Common sense, level it up.
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If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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Thanks. I noticed this, and this was what led to my confusion. They say they're moving forward HW acceleration, but why then are there so many contradictory statements such as "there are these limitations to it....etc...." or other statements that basically say "yea...it's coming....but it's not gonna be what you expect it to be.....".
I'm at work, so I can really watch it again to come up with specific quotes, but if you listen there are some in there IMO...
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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It bothers me, yeah. I find it very frustrating.
I think the lag has been slowly bugging me more and more....i seem to still get scrolling lag and some lag opening the app drawer in cm7 regardless of what I do.... That kind of lag is the first thing people notice... It should be one of the highest priorities for the future
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Android 3.0 hardware acceleration, see here:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
ICS is the next evolution (revolution?) from 3.0, so expect the same there.
If ICS will be used in the phone, it would have the same hardware acceleration as well.
So, be happy and wait for the Nexus Prime !
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Your really coming off as a little troll ****. If you love apple so much stick with that and GTFO, thanks.
You come into this topic, posting that iOS is anything more than a giant menu (which by the way it is just an app menu and nothing more) and now your *****ing because you get frustrated by the nonexistant lag in the Nexus S...if that frustrates you I'd hate to see how you cope with a real issue.
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Booooo to you sir, for being a flamer. He posted a reasonable question about a legitimate issue.
There IS lag in Android UI. I see it all the time. The main time I notice is the application opening/closing transition animations. Sometimes they literally render at about 2 to 4 frames per second.
Also there is major lag in Honeycomb on Tegra 2 tablets, but it is because of Tegra 2 bug in portrait mode. It is smooth in landscape but very laggy in portrait.
Holy crap, someone has issues
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Holy crap, someone has issues
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Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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malikadnanm said:
Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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Love is for the weak.
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Love is for the weak.
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The surest sign of strength is calling someone names on an internet message board for speaking about weaknesses of a mobile operating system.
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I'll let you know when I give a ****.
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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Love is for the weak.
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Lol
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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No GPU support! It's perfectly 100% smooth as it is!
iOS is smoother because it's just an app drawer! iOS is incapable of the incredible things we do on Android.
I mean, iOS isn't smoother, AND it's just an app drawer! Wait, what am I saying?
Hi guys, I found this on the web...
"Many have the saying “Apple have it their way, Android have it your way.” Wrong, Apples mobile operating system needs not to compete with Android as the operating systems top rated UI which never crashes has become the worlds most popular mobile device operating system. The reliability of iOS totally thwarts the unfriendly confusing and crash-prone UI and in general system of Android."
I don't think so.... Android sells 47% of their phones and Apple sells 30% of their phones and the rest are RIM etc....
You only just realized ANDROID RULE
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nztechblog said:
top rated UI which never crashes
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Someone needs to send him that article about iOS apps crashing.
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I think Android is a real difference, apple is just a trend.
dont mind it..the website editor is Apple freak
yeah he is..
Simplicity and stability is iphone...Customisable, amazing, refreshing and evolving is android...I prefer the later
I don't even see them as competing to people to people who know tech, they are too different animals.
In my opinion if you're going to run bone stock and never want to know anything about your phones operating system or customize anything, the iPhone is the way to go, like for old people and stuff. However if you enjoy changing things, high performance hardware and software, constantly pushing the envelope of performance, and having options for configurations and OS versions, Android is definitely the way to go.
Of course we are a very small majority of consumers who buy smart phones, so both companies need to market their gimmicks. But I think for different demographics they both have their advantages. Of course for us on this forum the phones advantages aren't feared towards us.
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True statement: “Apple have it their way, Android have it your way.”
False statement: "top rated UI which never crashes"
We all know it.
Where did you find that crap?
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Read this; it's from a guy who's always used an iPhone 4 and tried a One X for 29 days. Now he's keeping it, and he explains why: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/13/3082261/29-days-with-android
Great quote:
I've learned that iOS is what Apple wants it to be and Android is, for better or worse, what you make of it.
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apple was exlusive but cant beat android domination
i really enjoy with android .
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apple was exlusive but cant beat android domination
i really enjoy with android .
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I think Android is a real difference, apple is just a trend.
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do agree
So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol
I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
And
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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new ion? said:
Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
thebobp said:
To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
thebobp said:
Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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new ion? said:
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
new ion? said:
thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?
Hey guys,
Ubuntu on mobile phones:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/design
I personally think it's a win for Android. Since Android is always behind the mainline Linux kernel, now with Ubuntu being optimised for ARM devices, the kernel drivers will be in line with the main Linux kernel. That could possibly mean that phones like the Sensation could always be kept up to date as Android is a forked distribution of Linux.
This is all strictly hypothetical of course and it may not bear to fruition.
On a side note Ubuntu on mobile does seem pretty awesome, especially the gesture based controls.
So what are your thoughts guys?
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The promised land indeed - the unfied and homogeneous environment from smartphone to cluster.
And it looks beautiful - fair play. Bare back Android still looks like a school project to me.
Will be interesting to see which of the OEMs get on board. But it could be just what HTC need to differentiate themselves again.
Edit: Clever so and so's, common drivers mean it shouldn't be long till we see some ports. I for one will have a phone with it on from day one. Definitely.
Apparently the source will release Q4 2013 so we could possibly build it for our sensations as the kernel is not much different to our android kernel. I honestly can not wait because there's no dalvik vm running so it could essentially work lag free.
The future is coming where everything is tied into one OS. However I doubt htc will release a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Manufacturers like Samsung and Sony will possibly capitalise on Ubuntu with their unlockable bootloaders
Edit: Eliminate lag on Android: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
This confirms my thoughts about the dalvik vm. It's the Dalvik VM which is the main cause of lag on Android. Now with Ubuntu having no virtual machine, it should run with near to no lag!
Ubuntu on Sensation sounds amazing, although I might not be using this phone around Q4 2013, shame really...
I personally preferred ubuntu for android (it was plug ur android phone into a dock then use it as Ubuntu computer). But I guess an Ubuntu phone is cool too, and always welcome any new platforms to the market, getting some fresh blood
I can't wait
Just out of curiosity, are there any developers in the sensation world that think they'd be up to porting this when it become available? I would love to see this come to the Sensation.
How exactly will it be diffrent from andoid in terms of performance?
harsh.deep said:
How exactly will it be diffrent from andoid in terms of performance?
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Tons. Expect the scrolling and general touch interface to be as smooth as an iPhone or windows phone. (To the haters, you simply cannot deny that that android has some lag to it, no matter the phone). I think this is the only OS out there that can compete with android and iPhone simply because of the desktop OS concept, which is brilliant and exactly what most people would love to have if the app market picks up for it. Only time will tell though.
is anybody, who try it?
Exactly, Android will have some degree of lag due to the Dalvik VM. It's Ubuntu which has the possibility having little to no lag at all.
And to the poster above, Ubuntu still hasn't been released yet on any phones
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Apart from all the great and obvious advantages that this poses, I'm worried that phone networks will still try and bloat up the phone with all their branding and rubbish.
As long as you have terminal, anything is possible
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NeoSilky said:
Apart from all the great and obvious advantages that this poses, I'm worried that phone networks will still try and bloat up the phone with all their branding and rubbish.
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They can't put anything on a phone that I can't take off.
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NeoSilky said:
Apart from all the great and obvious advantages that this poses, I'm worried that phone networks will still try and bloat up the phone with all their branding and rubbish.
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Where's there's a will, there's a way. XDA has proven that time and again in the smartphone world
I'm stoked for Ubuntu, but you guys saying lag for all Android devices haven't spent much time with a Nexus 4...
I'm definitely going to switch to this if it becomes available for the sensation.
Apache0c said:
I'm definitely going to switch to this if it becomes available for the sensation.
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+1
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wideasleep1 said:
I'm stoked for Ubuntu, but you guys saying lag for all Android devices haven't spent much time with a Nexus 4...
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One of my friends has it, and have played with it quite a bit. But I'm sorry, it still doesn't compare to an iPhone in terms of smoothness. The only thing that compares is a windows phone.
Very nice i hope bring to sensation
Pip513 said:
One of my friends has it, and have played with it quite a bit. But I'm sorry, it still doesn't compare to an iPhone in terms of smoothness. The only thing that compares is a windows phone.
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Not buy'in it. I've played with 3GS, 4 and 4S, and the N4 is snappier than all 'ovem. Project Butter was a total success, and Android finally tore that smoothness monkey off its back. IOS is slow now, by comparison.