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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform. Now im no programmer but from hearing that i might think that it could be possibly ported and it could be easier to do than Winmo
flame away if im totally nuts
but is it possible???
i think this is a good ? imo! It would be something to tinker with but since the phone just came out 1'st you would have to find somebody willing to dump the os
You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
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Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
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In his defense, he did say "flame away" I do agree with you though...not called for.
I think that it would be a difficult undertaking even if it is able to be done. I don't know if it can be done, however, I do know that IF it can, someone here at xda will do it.
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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform.
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WebOS is based on linux, but it's not linux any more than Mac OSX is unix. It's not easily transferrable by simply scraping the files out and dumping them on another device. Drivers have to be written for hardware and to account for buttons that the Pre/intended device does not have.
Android is easy to port because it's open, the source (which shows how the software works down to the smallest code) can be downloaded by anybody and tinkered with. Palm will not be releasing the source of WebOS to the community, so any hacking or porting is significantly more difficult.
Now, should it be attempted? At this point, probably not. If you want WebOS, jump on Sprint's dying network to grab one.
Personally, I don't see Palm making a comeback very well, especially if they've chosen Sprint as their premier network. As a former Sprint customer, I can certainly say that they're a sinking ship right now. Neither the Instinct nor the Pre will be able to raise them up again, they have to go further than just 'cool' hardware.
And as for WebOS, see where it stands in a few months. All news was quiet on more Android phones for about three months after it was released, but by then, the amount of applications (and the release of paid applications) and users gave the phone the momentum it needed. If WebOS obtains that kind of momentum, great, then it might be good to consider. But until it attains the kind of ubiquity that Windows Mobile or Android will hold, it's a bit of an early jump, no?
We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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NOOOOOOO i will break your phone if you do that, we bought these phones for their openess, not to be locked down by apple.
Not the mention that WebOS is build for an OMAP3 CPU, which has the ARM7 based architecture. So without the source, we may never be able to port it over properly.)
Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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The latter.
I don't think Palm is forward-thinking (or cash-flush) enough nowadays to open source webOS. This (as well as the whole one-foot-in-the-grave situation of the past five years) makes me think that despite webOS' flashiness, it may not have much longevity.
I wonder if Palm will license out webOS though. They have licensed out Palm OS in the past, so it's not out of the question. I don't think they can compete in the marketplace if they try copying apple with a single-licensee strategy. Not when options like Android, Symbian, and WinMo can be found on multiple devices from many manufacturers on many carriers.
Good idea. Just to give people an option is pretty cool.
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You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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i was thinking of porting android to the pre... made a post about this too.
ok saw a post on the sprint hero boards and wanted to ask over here aswell since the g1 area has a lot more developers for it.
would porting webOS to an android phone seem possible? I had a palm pre for a bit was cool and fast, I like android more but the thought of running it would be cool
Noooooooooo
You mean porting over apps?
or running webOS on your phone?
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No.
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We need drivers. There are no WebOS drivers for Android devices. Many of the existing drivers that we need are proprietary, meaning (and I'm not sure on this part) most likely the hardware specifications necessary to write drivers are closed as well. If they are not closed, it would be possible--but not for a team of geeks like XDA. You'd need a major entity, like Google, to do it, which won't happen. Besides, not all of WebOS is completely open-source, just like not ALL of what goes into Android phones is. It's just not possible--even if the driver issue could be overcome, which it can't.
Yet another word:
This is a question, so it belongs in Q&A. Not to be a jerk or anything, but just letting you know, so next time you can post there.
Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^
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Doesn't seem possible at this current time however I disagree with the post above if all of xda devs came together then it might be possible due to the fact cyanogen im guessing could make his own drivers etc. However as said above it would not be possible due to the fact it is not completely open-source
ps: Why would you want webOS it is nothing compared to android - IF you agree then post back with this a smile ^_^
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Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Have you ever written a device driver? You need detailed spec of the interfaces of the piece of hardware you're trying to talk to. Without them you're trying to build the Empire State Building blindfolded with a teaspoon and pair of pliers.
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Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...
you know, none of this is true, as the drivers for all of the HTC android phones have the drivers built into the kernel (as opposed to running as modules with the exception of wifi) because of GPL, they have released this information, albeit kinda late (*cough* CDMA hero) one stumbling block is how WebOS is going to interface with the drivers may be different, keep in palm has its kernel modifications "drivers" also available (once again because of GPL) so if interfacing is different, it COULD possibly be reverse engineered... the actual WebOS platform IS closed source however, making this all much much more difficult.
http://developer.htc.com/
http://opensource.palm.com/
dont let anyone tell you its impossible, its not. Are you going to port it? No, if you had to start this thread, then its not likely.
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Okay so simply put we would need MacGyver to write the drivers...
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rofl..............
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Impossible is a word only to be found in the dictionary of fools.
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That said I like my android
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Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out by taking a long look and experimenting otherwise you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
If Cyanogen or another dev decided to do this it is not impossible as long as they know how to build a device driver which i know 4 of the devs on here can do it is not impossible. The question is would they actually do this project?
Personally I do not see a point in this project if you wanted a webOS why didn't you buy a palm sry if i may sound a little rude but it is the truth why buy a android?
If i may have sounded rude in the sentence above i am very sry you can shun me down
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For linux once never went my way and stop having a go i was just voicing my opinion it is a free country im just saying with cyanogenmod, Wesgarner, Ctso, Kingklick etc. we stand a great chance at doing it and i bet cyan must have made a device driver before. so please don't go off on one i don't care if this get's made as stated below android is better anyway so get off my back linuxluver and stop being a jackass all I was trying to say is it could be done and not impossible you are making it sound like we have no hope in hell.
ps: I only wan't to come on here to chat and make friends not to be abused
ps2: Also yeah without knowing about the phone it is like building the empire state building. That's why you buy the phone open it up find details on the phone first off and try and figure it out without taking a long look and experimenting you will never get anywhere. It is like life without actually doing it and just saying about it you will never achieve it so you do it
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You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
Web OS is really nice but doesn't seem very popular considering only 2 phones have it while. 10+ phones will come out with Android. I bet if this was done the person asking would use it for like a month then go to another ROM. Which means all that work trying to make drivers would go in vain.
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You really have no idea whatsoever as to how computer hardware works. Like the other person said, there just isn't a chance in hell of a small group of people working in their free time without the cooperation of hardware manufacturers to do what you're saying.
Look at AOSP, think of all the people working on it, and we still don't have everything working on it correctly. And that's with an open-source OS, not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows and apple so are you saying a small group of people can't do something amazing every now and again?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future. Most of webOS is in java anyway and most of it is using dbus.
I thought that emulating it on a jvm may be possible? like freedsb running over the top of windows in a vm.
Also all those who port drivers from windows to linux and max to windows etc. have no help from the manafacturers and they still manage to do it and they work alone.
Im not going to voice my opinion in this thread again i have had enough with people who don't let people talk their mind all it was was an opinion nothing more and a possible chance of it working instead of it sounding like it's impossible unless you try you will never know and that is that stuff this thread i have had enough with you people i am out of here don't bother replying to this because i will not read it.
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So is a small group of people not good enough look at bill gates for example creator of microsoft started of with the apple man 2 people now we have microsoft windows so youre point is?
Also i do not care about webOS i hate webOS in fact i just wanted to extract my opinion and further fourth nothing is impossible look at wireless electricity about a few years ago seen as a myth now look at it. This could be done one day maybe not now but sometime in the future.
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Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.
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not to mention Android was meant to use on these HTC phones anyway.
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not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*
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Do the developers on XDA have a source of revenue that I'm unaware of? Do they have billions of dollars in profits that spurn growth and encourage new, more experienced developers to join the business and help? Is there even a business at all?
The answer is no. There is no R&D department behind XDA. There is no venture capital firm supporting cyanogen or kingklick with money.
Again, you really have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't just a "take open the phone, look at the serial number on the board, and then write your own driver." This is something that computer manufacturers spend years developing their own proprietary code and then design specific chipsets to work with it. Years and money, lots and lots of money.
And you're still forgetting that webOS and even parts of android are not open sourced, which complicates it even further, even to the extent of making a webOS port technically illegal under copyright laws.
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I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
ps: I don't like but jmhalder is cool
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not 100% true, both android and WebOS run on top of the linux kernel, drivers are already written, like I said, its not a rewrite of drivers, rather interfacing with hardware may be different, but thanks to GPL, we can more easily figure out how the software interfaces with the drivers since we have drivers (albeit for some different hardware) for both Palm AND Android devices... obviously this would all be no easy task... but hell, android work tits on my Kaiser, with the radio/sms/wifi/camera/gps.... and it WASN'T designed to run android!
something else to mention I suppose is the work done to get Mer Linux (Open source replacement for Maemo) running on the Kaiser/Vogue, it booted and its X system worked enough to get to setup information, albeit the screen was too low of a res to do much and it has far too little ram to be useful... let me put it this way... it would be entirely possible for someone to port WebOS over, though the radio/BT/Wifi/accel/etc. may not work initially. I'd be stoked to try out test builds, and I think so would MANY other people.
*broken down: android wasnt meant to run on these phones, linux was meant to, and android was meant to run on top of that*
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Thank you for talking some sense on the subject that it is possible thank you very much i respect you because you think anything is possible you may go far in the world. the one's who never try may never know and for that will fall behind. You are the only one on here who talks sense and for that i applaud you
ps: Very Much thanks from Xillius200 for believing it to be possible instead of just shooting it down
ps2: It takes a true person to not give up and takes a less person to give up straight away so never give up
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I have already said in my earlier post that it is not open-source so read b4 you post and even the smallest one man on his own can do someting incredible look at DA cracked the psp 14-15yo and wrote his own drivers and software and look at the ps3 hacker who has found exploit through the memory neither of them have a company or backing just normal people and are you saying that is not possible?
i will not talk any longer all in all webOS is a stupid idea it could be possible one day and end of
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DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.
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DA did not write his own drivers. "Cracking" and using existing drivers is not nearly the same thing, nor is using a loophole in a PS3 memory chip.
Again, i'm sorry, but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
As someone else has pointed out by now, it might actually be possible to get webOS on an android phone, but that's only because the drivers already exist, not because cyanogen and XDA are gods and can do what you're proposing.
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I am not calling them gods writing different drivers seperate to a device is possible and DA did write some of his own drivers for the psp for addons and linking to the pc. Also to gain access to the memory he had to make a device and write a driver for it that devices already came wth a driver but he wrote his own. This was a different person XD
And i have had enough i am out of here dont know why the hell we are argueing you do not know much about android either so leave it at that and keep the forum open
I here by cease this fighting going on and say good day
Hope this hasn't been posted before. Has anyone read about this?
I think it's plausible for this to/can happen.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-CEO-ZOMG-Android-to-be-closed-after-Motorola-purchase_id26984
Rubva said:
de que habla este foro?
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So much for an English forum! HUH!
There is no way that would happen. Androids shares would drop like a turn you have been holding in for a week. (Yes, thats a comparison)
What? Plausible for HP to say "Oooo you really need to keep WebOS going for us because maybe in some twisted mirror universe Google will make Android closed source and only available on Motorola"
That's all that has happened. HP have said something stupid about Android.
The article even points out WHY Google wouldn't make Android closed source and only available on Motorola.
It may be a good talking point for WebOS, but it's not going to happen. They would have to make Android closed source in order to make it exclusive to Google/Motorola. And since the source is already out there, non Motorola OEMs could continue development on their own or abandon it and go with something else like Windows Phone. It wouldn't be beneficial for Android and I can't see Google doing it.
Where does google make most of its money?
Why would Google develope and release a free and open sourced operating system everyone can use?
Ad Revenue
If Android were to turn closed sourced, Google would loss profit potential. Meg Whitman is an idiot if she thinks Android is going to be closed sourced.
She's just doing her job.
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This would be good for WP7 if true.
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She's just doing her job.
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Well, she's arguably not doing a very good job of it. webOS needs a cheerleader who will make everyone want to use it. Clumsily spreading rumors and FUD about a competitor is not going to garner support for her product, especially such a farfetched rumor.
Here's an idea: find someone (hint: hp can make hardware!) to make a killer device that runs webOS. Make it inexpensive, powerful, give it great battery life and a great design. Then get it into the hands of every developer you can. Send a box of them to Rovio. Give them to Verizon and AT&T (it better be dual-mode like the 4S) employees for free.
Then, make it a point to tell every vendor, carrier, software developer, reviewer, and blogger how great it and webOS is, citing legitimate points and statistics. Send a device to all them. Make something they love and make sure they know it's here to stay. If hp legitimately wants it to be a viable open source OS that other vendors will want to use, they need to shove it down their throats and make it super easy for devs to get it running.
Finally, don't delay it, don't put it on the market for 2 weeks and pull it, don't jack up the price, and don't give it some stupid achille's heel like a PenTile screen or something.
Then webOS will succeed.
When it goes open source, I'm sure Samsung and HTC will make a device. The hardware was the only thing that was really limiting WebOS.
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If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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If HTC ever wants their own OS, here you go.
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Considering hp tried and failed to sell it to htc, I think that ship has sailed.
Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Google would never do that. They need android to be on as many phones as possible to boost ad revenue. They don't make money from the vendors. Also if they were likely to do that they wouldn't have made their flaship Galaxy Nexus a samsung phone, it would have been motorola.
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Agreed. Android is an ad/data wet dream for Google.
The data and social engineering aspects for targeting advertisements are massive. They've already invaded your Internets with google and computers with Chrome.
We all hear about all these anonymous usage statistics, but sometimes I'm surprised at how targeted the advertisements feel sometimes.
Probably one of the things that scared me the most was that I recently received a Motorcycle magazine. I've been interested in getting one for a while, but have never actively given my information to anyone before... Just using google, and looking at review of bikes. It's kind of scary that someone got my information, and was able to (at least I feel like) target those advertisements at me.
the google & motorola marriage was approved and completed already by the court
yet Android is still open source
so that old news is just HP trying to get some fly time and pitch WebOS again, but failed yet again
Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Unless of course the app is free.
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Just throwing this out there for anyone asking how does Google make money on the OS? Well maybe they don't make it directly on the OS its self but they make .30 cents every time a developer sells an app. That adds up pretty quick.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Google generates 97% percent of its revenue through ads and they have other income sources as well. Good luck finding app income in that 3%. Probably it is 0.003% of that 3%.
Also paid apps are not that popular in the Android market.
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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Define "...not that popular..."
Are you saying compared to Apple or what exactly? Whats the basis?
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He means its a known fact apple users buy more apps than android ones. That's based on various statistics so not just a subjective opinion though the reasons for it are not so clearcut.
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I couldn't help to immediately notice how conspicuous it is that XDA has created forums for small, still in development OS'S like Tizen, Sailfish, Firefox, Ubuntu Phone, and heck, even Bada. What's the deal gents? I know some of you must have discussed it.
Regardless of whether you like or dislike them, BlackBerry 10 OS is live to market, and they still have the 3rd place in global market share. There has to be some reason this doesn't recognition here and even Bada does?
Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
XDA was never a blackberry site, simply because (I presume, this is all historical now) the BB was generally a phone provided by your company, which was heavily locked down, and you were to just use it like a good employee, who does what he's told...
There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
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I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
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Thanks, you understood my intention correctly.
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There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
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There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
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There are signs though of other R&D work, which are credible, and have images which couldn't really be faked unless you were with RIM...
I assume that the OS is not open source and thus there's no way to develop for it?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BB is ahead of wp8 currently in mobile OS market share
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Would that also not apply to wp8 which does have a presence here?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BlackBerry (formerly RIM) is the number 3 platform worldwide. Emerging markets (read: anywhere outside the US) are snatching up old Curves and Pearls at a ridiculous pace. It is reasonable to expect a Windows Mobile area on XDA because of its history and once-dominant presence. It's also plausible to see Sailfish, Ubuntu and even webOS here because they're Linux-based as is Android. But to exclude BlackBerry and not Windows Phone 7/8 on the basis of marketshare is, to paraphrase Tony Montana, "a pig that doesn't fly too straight".
Buddy what can i say is BB 10 is just now launched and we didnt even know what it is based on. Xda is place of devs/users for Android, iOS and Windows phones.
Ok just check, in 2007-8 have u been to Xda?? I think no.. why??
Now, we are in stage where we all need to know what BB 10 is giving to us. Over which it is running and how much user capacity is there.
Let Admin/Xda commitee to take decision. May b next step would b adding BB10 support.
Just wait and watch buddy. I thought ur subject of thread will b changed soon.:sly:
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Although the title of the Portal says 'Android, Windows Phone, and Windows Mobile Development News, Information, and Howtos - XDA Developers' XDA is mainly Android driven. There's hardly any post/video about Windows Phone (apps) on the portal. :crying:
Ever since I moved to the Lumia 920, earlier this year, this place has been very boring for me. It seems nobody is interested in WP at all.
You might as well remove the Windows Phone and Windows Mobile news part from the title
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Donny1987 said:
Although the title of the Portal says 'Android, Windows Phone, and Windows Mobile Development News, Information, and Howtos - XDA Developers' XDA is mainly Android driven. There's hardly any post/video about Windows Phone (apps) on the portal. :crying:
Ever since I moved to the Lumia 920, earlier this year, this place has been very boring for me. It seems nobody is interested in WP at all.
You might as well remove the Windows Phone and Windows Mobile news part from the title
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Get yourself over to MoDaCo - or get a new phone (android in case you weren't sure)
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Blame Microsoft for making their OS useless to Developers; It's not the developers fault you can't flash on a Windows Phone.
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Blame Microsoft for making their OS useless to Developers; It's not the developers fault you can't flash on a Windows Phone.
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You can't flash custom ROMs, therefore it's useless? The iOS community would like to have a word with you.
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You can't flash custom ROMs, therefore it's useless? The iOS community would like to have a word with you.
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To a community dedicated to creating and flashing customROMs, yes, it's useless.
iOS is useless in itself; invalid argument.
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To a community dedicated to creating and flashing customROMs, yes, it's useless.
iOS is useless in itself; invalid argument.
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Ouch....lol, but brutally true in the context of open source modding, deving and overally platform growth.
And while WPs seem pretty nifty and even sleek (and back to the OPs lament) what can there be possibly to talk about when you're talking closed source platform? I mean, even to a certain extent Apple has a small 'Jailbroken' type community (albeit not as robust as Android's modding/hacking/flashing).
I suppose it's just a matter of Windows phones getting into enough peoples' hands and even then it'd have to be the super technical ones that would even have to take the interest in trying to 'crack it open', as it were.
Perhaps that is something MS should consider for the future success of WPs--maybe making it open source--as it may give them a foot-hold into the interest of many more people (....of course. we all know that won't happen anytime soon--if at all).
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iOS is useless in itself; invalid argument.
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You're so clever!!!
Thanks for the replies :cyclops:
There's more than flashing, there's also a lot of Android apps posts/reviews. Why are there no WP apps reviews or just WP news in general?
Come back to the light!
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You can't flash custom ROMs, therefore it's useless? The iOS community would like to have a word with you.
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Useless to developers because it's closed - there's a post somewhere by Chainfire about how Samsung have tried (& failed) to stop developers from trying to root the S4 ...I haven't got a link to the post but I did copy some of it for reference here is a quote from the post -
"As some of you must have noticed, latest Samsung GT-I9500 firmwares carry a kernel configuration supposed to prevent SETUID privilege elevation.
Stock unmodified firmware with root is my preferred setup but also a strong dependency for all my development, for me this change is a massive setback if not a dealbreaker."
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Blame Microsoft for making their OS useless to Developers; It's not the developers fault you can't flash on a Windows Phone.
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Not even download an app and install,no filemanager.. windows os sucks...
If u want to have fun with xda u must have an Android
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Well Android obv has a huge market share and win mobile/ win phone extremely little. Since theres less phones out there to talk about obv there will be a relative ammount of posts on here lol. Although i do miss the old days of hacking windows mobile using regedit lol.
In previous generations, it was Windows Mobile. Now it's Android, and for several key reasons:
- Huge hardware selection/affordability (high-end, mid-range, low-end/budget)
- Huge software variety (different OEM skins/apps/AOSP)
- Frequent advancements in hardware (far surpasses the iPhone's hardware capabilities on high end models)
- Customization - I can change the launcher, theme, replace built-in apps, etc
- Open-sourced code; you get the code for the base of the OS/device kernel
etc, etc. It's not because "we hate Windows Phone." Windows Phone is smooth, but that's all it has going for it:
- Retardedly huge Metro font (sorry for using that word, but it's a waste of space). I don't really like the Metro UI overall. The launcher looks nice but that's about it, and I can replicate it on Android if I want.
- Closed source means the community cannot [easily] fix lingering issues
- Microsoft screwed first-gen Windows Phone owners by keeping them stuck on 7.5. Yay, you get a new launcher and that's it. Who's going to make Windows 7.5 apps when new phones are going to run 8? 7.5 isn't compatible with 8 apps.
- Harder to do simple things, such as set up MMS on several Windows Phone devices
- Lagging in some hardware areas; I can understand being efficient and only needing a dual-core Snapdragon S4 for example. But 720p screens only recently became supported.
- Basically, if you don't buy a Nokia WP8 device, you're missing out on most of the good (Nokia-exclusive apps).
- All the phones are the same. That would be great if they all got updated at the same time, but it's not the case. Yes, some phones have different screens, etc. But the software is exactly the same.
(I'm not hating on Windows Phone. I still think it's an incredibly smooth OS with a lot of potential, and choice is always a good thing. Just listing, from the perspective of someone who enjoys Android, why I can't use it on a daily basis.)
I can go on and on, but you get the gist of it. You can have stable and boring if you want, but at XDA we enjoy diversity, choice, customization, and most importantly the ability to do things our own way.
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