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hey,
of course i know what a rom is. somehow. but why would i need a new one?
[i found everything what i was asking myself by using the forum-search.
but no answer to this essential question. shouldn´t that be somewhere
in the wiki?]
thx for beeing noob-friendly
kws
Its just user customization, you don't really need one. alot of people just prefer them.
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..just prefer them.
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but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws
to get the latest and the best
HTC takes so much of time releasing the official updates
so if you want the latest you have to depend on custom ROMs
and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc
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and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc
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i thought touch flo is ment for my phone (it comes with it). and i thought
manila is just like a "codename" for touchflo!?
anyway... so if there is a bug or something like that and htc takes month
to release updates, the xda-devs come and create their own roms.. or if
someone would find out that the hd actually has everything hardware-
related whats needed for tv-out, he could make a rom that supports that?
and a rom is always specific to one model of a device?!? you cant use a
kayser*-rom for eg a diamond, can you?
where can i find a list of all availiable rom´s (especially for blackstone and
raphael).
thank you!!
kws
(* soze!
kweso said:
but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws
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Well for example by removing things from a rom you don't use, you can make your phone faster or have more memory.
Sometimes program such as manilla run better or faster when they are built into a rom.
Flashing a new rom means that if you hard reset, you will reset back to the rom you flash.
You can put new program and or drivers stripped from another phone (omnia, opal, ect) (this would be useful beacuse they may be newer and more improved)
Its all a matter of opinion on what you want to do with your phone, if you need help with something you are trying to get you need to giver us an example so that we can give you an example of pluses and draw backs. (there are alot of things it does and its hard to just list them)
well, thank u very much. i think i get it now. somehow like n-lite for desktop windows. but still it would be nice to have a list in the wiki with all roms, their compatibilites and main features...
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...what you want to do with your phone
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do you know the tricorders from star trek?
muchas gracias, again..
cu
Ya and i would like a microwave to cook food with built into mine .......
well...
actually...
if you could manage to modify the frequency of the radio...
hmm...
or something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53W_zOwG4k
but back to topic:
is there an overview over the existing roms? seaching this
forum for "rom" is not quite effective.
or is there a "what is possible with a custom rom"?
sorry if this questions sound stupid to you. but so i am
thx gn8
kws
It may makes xda more interesting～
well... you would be a great salesman!
could you specify this?
thx
[ROM][32B] tek's-ROM v0.0.1 pre-ALPHA, [Donut], "What's wrong with this picture?"
Hi, all,
Here is a project I have been working on for a couple days I would like to share with you. This is a pure, unmodified Android 1.6 Donut ROM.
Remember, this is a PRE-ALPHA, so don't expect stability, or anything extraordinary. Given that I am a pretty big n00b when it comes to developing (thus the broken market and sync in a 1.6 ROM ), and any help in getting these apps working is greatly appreciated.DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING HAPPENING TO YOUR PHONE, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!.
UPDATED: Okay, this thing is now usable. Ive combined AOSP code and The HTC ADP1 ROM so everything on the doesn't work list now works. The only things that dont work are the Apps2SD and Su (working on this as we speak). This ROM is also 100% stock.
Okay, so here are the lists:
What works:
Camera
Wifi
Gps
Keyboard
Phone
SMS
Essentially everything that isn't on the doesn't work list.
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Su
Apps2SD
Also thanks to cyanogen for some of the system apps that have been pulled from his rom .
Download link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=87E09WTH
Cheers!
Wondering why all these things dont work on a donut rom lol?
Anyways good work
mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.
this is pretty much useless
tekgek said:
mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.
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Speed is the most important, and with all of this broken it wont help. Try making something of the new eris port.
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this is pretty much useless
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you're not being helpful by saying that, this kid (i'm assuming, could be wrong) just wants to learn how to build ROMs and is asking for help.
Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion
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Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion
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It is built straight off AOSP, with the goal of being really fast, as fast as any other really good donut rom. But none of the other google apps work out of the box on AOSP, as I probably should have known. I would really appreciate it if you could help me out on this.
I agree, I should have themed it after, but I love the theme,so I just stuck it in there.
Tekgek
Why should I want to flash this? Or rather, why should I want to flash this once it's more developed? What is this going to have that Cyanogen or Super D or CSDI doesn't?
My point is, it'd be a good idea to maybe put something out there that you're planning on implementing into this that no one else is doing, or that you can do better. We have several stable, incredibly fast Donut roms out there right now, so what should set this apart from the rest of the crowd?
Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.
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Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.
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So would I. To one poster on this thread, I am just a person with computer skills who just got interested in Android two days ago. However, I do have plans for this rom, something that may or may not be possible. Any developer who is interested in the concept please pm me, and tell me if I am dreaming things up that are impossible or not.
EDIT: Okay, I guess its not that top secret, post ideas here too, if you like. My idea is to create a donut rom with the speed and stability of Android 1.6 on the G1, but with the ability to run 2.1 3d apps natively. Essentially, take what cyanogen has done with his ROMs to a whole new level. Impossible? Probably. Opinions, people who actually have experience with Android?
"whats wrong with this picture?"
The following
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Android Market
Google Sync
Initial Setup
Google Apps in general
Apps2SD
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this is pretty much useless
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I guess it is, i mean donut stock is perfect, but again no need to theme it with what u like, leave it stock and give the link and option to theme it, I love stock donut ROms
From the department of stabbing in the dark, it sounds like your Google apps aren't signed with the right keys. I believe they need to be signed with the same keys as the rest of the /system/app apps you build off the source. Swim through Cyanogen's Twitter posts as I believe he's answered this there before (or just try resigning them and see if it works.)
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.
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To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
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First off, thanks for the support. I really appreciate it . Second, where would I out said GApps when compiling the source?
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To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.
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I agree, the maturity of some posts is quite unfortunate, no? We live in quite the selfish era =). I would like to see what you pull off in the future.
Hey dude I hope you become better at making the roms and you become an even better dev
with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha
rizocreations said:
with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha
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what a stupid comment..
Tek,
Thanks for taking time to develop ROM for our device. Goodluck!
This is a mostly unchanged ROM based on King's DroiseEris2G1, with the fixes made by Sunny and Vega on the original thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642643. However, it includes WG's kernels, which improve performance to an extent that you genuinely wouldn't believe from either a Cyan based kernel, and especially over the BFS-based kernel King was originally using.
I deserve no plaudits for this. All I did was plug in a couple of kernels that WG gave me, shove them into King/Sunny's ZIP file, and resign the lump. It's by no means curing cancer or anything complicated. But as the result turned out to be (IMHO) the quickest Sense ROM I've ever seen I thought I'd share.
Developers, ROM cookers, whoever - feel free to take the ROM, tear it apart, re-pack it, add your own edits. I honestly don't really know much about this ROM cooking lark so it could definitely do with some TLC - but I think it's a worthwhile effort because when it works the WG kernels FLY on this.
What doesn't work:
* Camcorder
* Camera is a bit dodgy. It's the old 2.1 issue. When you take a picture you'll see screen corruption instead of the pic. In the gallery the pic will look a bit dodgy. However when you view the pic it'll be fine. Install and use Camera Magic from the market instead if this bothers you unduly.
* BT I suspect will still not work, even given WG's efforts to address this, simply because BT has never worked in Sense ROMs. I can't test as I have no BT devices.
* 3D will not work in the ramhack version (but you all knew that, right?)
* Keyboard backlights. As a) I have a Magic and b) I wouldn't have a clue how to fix this anyway even if I had a G1, please don't ask about this.
Everything else should work.
Why did I do this? Well, King's original ROM, especially with the tweaks made by Sunny and Vega is a beautiful bit of work. It's the first Sense ROM that's actually been usable on my phone. However, it has a BFS kernel and I absolutely *hate* BFS with a passion. I personally don't think it helps performance that much, and the way it makes the device miss half of your finger swipes so it's like having a resistive screen again. So I decided to see how the WG kernel worked out, being (IMO) the best kernel around at the moment. You simply wouldn't believe the performance increase - skim the thread, see what people are saying.
Enough yakking, give it a try, give some feedback. And most importantly, enjoy and have fun.
Requirements:
* FAT-EXT4-SWAP partitions on your SD. That's EXT4. Not EXT3 or EXT2. You'll get gapps FCs left, right and center if you ignore this little infonugget.
* A nice big SWAP. I've got 106Mb. But at least 96Mb.
New WG kernel, 3D, no ramhack (seems to work on SOME G1s, most if not all MT3Gs)
http://www.4shared.com/file/241108353/30fe6d34/KWG-noRH-try.html
Vega's fix patch for the SMD port error message in logcat, and potentially battery life. In fact if you flash this over the original King ROM you will essentially have what this thread is setting out to achieve, i.e. King's ROM+WG Kernel = epic Sense.
http://www.4shared.com/file/241419118/15d57ab0/droideris-vega-v3-WGkernel.html
This ROM comes with the social networking apps.
Old WG kernel, no 3D, ramhack (known good on G1)
http://www.4shared.com/file/240315699/5ee0521f/KingSunnyWGRamHackSigned.html
This one has no social networking apps. This is included as a bit of a historical artefact, and also as a just in case for those who can't get the latest ROM running on their G1s. This is a known good ROM on the G1. It flies quite nicely but has no 3D.
Thanks to King, Sunny, Vega, WG - and please note I'm just the bloke who thought "wouldn't it be great if we could have this fast kernel on this really nice full-featured ROM". Think of me as a cocktail mixer. Those other guys are the master distillers. (And ignore the donate thread in my sig, that's for BetterBrowser, I don't expect people to donate for me doing no more than shoving a kernel into someone else's work.)
Downloading now, then flashing it to test.
Sounds like it'll be nice thanks for this!
EDIT: Flash went ok, booting now
Took a bit to download from your site, so I threw up a mirror for you:
http://chillbeast.com/KingSunnyWGKernelSigned.zip
Gonna test it now! Thnx!
Don't forget to put some disclaimers about how it MAY hurt people G1s
like " I am not responsible to whatever happens to your phone " you never know.
One thing I should mention for those not familiar with the original ROM:
You must, repeat MUST, have an EXT4 partition. Not an EXT2 or EXT3 partition, but EXT4 - otherwise you'll get force closes on all of the gapps.
And you should have a nice big swap. 96Mb is about the going rate.
thanks Loccy! gonna try this out...
you think you'll have a new version when King updates his rom?
Flashing it now, did full wipe, 96mb and ext 4.
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thanks Loccy! gonna try this out...
you think you'll have a new version when King updates his rom?
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ill try to help with the new version without a mytouch or a testing device but hey.. W.e i can do right =]
Finished setup, contacts are syncing, seems a bit snappier so far, but it was sluggish through setup (that's always the case, I know)
Seems overall a bit faster than the original, the true test comes in a bit after it's been running for a bit and I give her a reboot or two.
FYI, 96 MB swap, 640 mb ext 4
deuse said:
Don't forget to put some disclaimers about how it MAY hurt people G1s
like " I am not responsible to whatever happens to your phone " you never know.
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Done
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you think you'll have a new version when King updates his rom?
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No reason why not (although if King drops BFS there'll be no reason to!)
chillbeast said:
Finished setup, contacts are syncing, seems a bit snappier so far, but it was sluggish through setup (that's always the case, I know)
Seems overall a bit faster than the original, the true test comes in a bit after it's been running for a bit and I give her a reboot or two.
FYI, 96 MB swap, 640 mb ext 4
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The sluggish setup can be not be sluggish if u wait a bit longer like after the initial 5-10 minute wait when u see the lock screen drag the screen down nd give it another 10 minutes nd boom ull fly through the set up i did it and it works flawlessly but that was on the other rom nd yeah .. =[
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The sluggish setup can be not be sluggish if u wait a bit longer like after the initial 5-10 minute wait when u see the lock screen drag the screen down nd give it another 10 minutes nd boom ull fly through the set up i did it and it works flawlessly but that was on the other rom nd yeah .. =[
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Ya this i know, I am just impatient lol
Now that it's been running for a bit, it's fast as ****!
Great stuff here guys, might actually run this as my daily use rom depending on how it works out over the course of the night
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Ya this i know, I am just impatient lol
Now that it's been running for a bit, it's fast as ****!
Great stuff here guys, might actually run this as my daily use rom depending on how it works out over the course of the night
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Yeah man this rom is great idk how the WG kernel affects it but it was amazing before too =]
Can I no-wipe update this over the original? It's just a pain in the ass to redo the EXT4 **** all over again.
MattKilla said:
Can I no-wipe update this over the original? It's just a pain in the ass to redo the EXT4 **** all over again.
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if ur already on EXT-4 just wipe 1-5 and flash =]
MattKilla said:
Can I no-wipe update this over the original? It's just a pain in the ass to redo the EXT4 **** all over again.
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Honestly? Ain't got a clue I should think it'd be OK, you'd just end up effectively replacing the kernel. You might want to wipe Dalvik as well. No promises, though!
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if ur already on EXT-4 just wipe 1-5 and flash =]
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Alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
deuse said:
Don't forget to put some disclaimers about how it MAY hurt people G1s
like " I am not responsible to whatever happens to your phone " you never know.
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he doesn't need to a g1 rom wont hurt the phone at all.
trying it out
May be too soon to ask but hell Ill ask anyway.......Does the battery still only last less than 4 hours?... I know u have not had it flashed for long.... But hey some idiot has to ask it right?
Look here! Realy smooth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRe2aXR-EaM
And here the thread:
http://android.modaco.com/category/413/t-mobile-pulse-pulse-modaco-com/
If any dev want to make a port. Ah, neocore got 27fps with this eclair,camera working (yes, is a huawei u8220 with msm7200turbo, 192 mb ram).
dadme said:
Look here! Realy smooth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRe2aXR-EaM
And here the thread:
http://android.modaco.com/category/413/t-mobile-pulse-pulse-modaco-com/
If any dev want to make a port. Ah, neocore got 27fps with this eclair,camera working (yes, is a huawei u8220 with msm7200turbo, 192 mb ram).
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Thanks!!!!
Very nice
Heres the bootclasspath if anyone wants to deodex it.
core.jar:ext.jar:framework.jar:android.policy.jar:services.jar:com.huawei.android.launcher.jar:widget_multimedia.jar:widget_info.jar
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Heres the bootclasspath if anyone wants to deodex it.
core.jar:ext.jar:framework.jar:android.policy.jar:services.jar:com.huawei.android.launcher.jar:widget_multimedia.jar:widget_info.jar
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if you look at paul's changelog, you'll notice that he manually odexed v5, so v4 isn't already odexed. I'm porting v4 already.
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if you look at paul's changelog, you'll notice that he manually odexed v5, so v4 isn't already odexed. I'm porting v4 already.
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awesome, cant wait
I s there anyway to get this working in the usa?? I know you can find them on ebay but will it work here? I like this phone!!
mediaman30 said:
I s there anyway to get this working in the usa?? I know you can find them on ebay but will it work here? I like this phone!!
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yep, being gsm it should work... It's unlockable too.
jcarrz1 said:
yep, being gsm it should work... It's unlockable too.
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will 3g work ??? if so Im going to order one of these?
mediaman30 said:
will 3g work ??? if so Im going to order one of these?
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carrier???
t mobile usa
mediaman30 said:
t mobile usa
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nope. tmobile usa uses different frequencies, each dedicated to upload and download. sorry, no 3g.
But edge would work correct? I only get edge most of the time anyway At home I use wifi so the pulse it has a nice screen like the iphone which is one of the things I hate about mt3g Do you think this is better than mt3g?
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But edge would work correct? I only get edge most of the time anyway At home I use wifi so the pulse it has a nice screen like the iphone which is one of the things I hate about mt3g Do you think this is better than mt3g?
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More ram no keyboard might as well get a different phone G1 is outdated, stay on topic please.
If someone can port this, lets get it optimized and addicted to steroids before a release. The MTSlide ports are laggy as hell after a days work, but this looks promising.
Last time devs were working on the pulse roms they quit because of things that they would fix broke other things. Soon it became something like "Fixed wifi, but broke BT" kinda thing. Lets hope this is better!
Good luck guys, excited!
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If someone can port this, lets get it optimized and addicted to steroids before a release. The MTSlide ports are laggy as hell after a days work, but this looks promising.
Last time devs were working on the pulse roms they quit because of things that they would fix broke other things. Soon it became something like "Fixed wifi, but broke BT" kinda thing. Lets hope this is better!
Good luck guys, excited!
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Stuck on pulse screen at this point. I'll upload for devs to check out.
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If someone can port this, lets get it optimized and addicted to steroids before a release. The MTSlide ports are laggy as hell after a days work, but this looks promising.
Last time devs were working on the pulse roms they quit because of things that they would fix broke other things. Soon it became something like "Fixed wifi, but broke BT" kinda thing. Lets hope this is better!
Good luck guys, excited!
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I lol'ed at your post. It did seem pretty darn laggy in the video though, so I'm not sure if it's something I want to use as my daily rom. GL though
mejorguille said:
I lol'ed at your post. It did seem pretty darn laggy in the video though, so I'm not sure if it's something I want to use as my daily rom. GL though
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I agree. That's not msm7200 turbo performance. If we get this to boot completely, we'll see. Not too much work left for that.
Here is a link for a build of mine (based on Paul's r6, so it is odexed unfortunately, because r4 was in a worse mess (seperated ramdisk)) that shows the t-mobile pulse logo with the pink circle (boot screen) but simply loops that animation, and gets stuck on a libaudio.so related problem. CM .33 kernel, compiled for this (should technically have same md5 as the one in test4). Help me out devs. This isn't signed (ignore the filename), I assume that anyone who is going to work on this at least knows how to sign a file
http://www.mediafire.com/?wmnoyzmmcdt
Good Luck to anyone who helps me. I'll continue tomorrow or on the weekend, I have a math test to study for.
looks pretty good considering its a 192mb ram phone, (though i thought it was 128mb)
A member of TMo staff (UK) confirmed the RAM/ROM as:
SDRAM with 128 MB
Flash EEPROM ROM with 256 MBI was sooo gonna get this until I saw the 256MB… will this have the same trouble as the G1 with future updates [i know 1.6 fits]Anyone know the partition size od the /system on the pulse?
Putting off buying this phone now
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Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
MartyHulskemper said:
No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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The framework. There's another thread going on about this already. I'm not going into a fork here.
Also, keep in mind what happened to Overskreen. That makes it higly unlikely that anyone is going to invest the immense time and resources needed until Google's stance on the matters softens.
EDIT_BY_INTERJECTION: forgot to say it's in the CleanROM Inheritance thread, as a feature request. And a no-no.
To specifically answer your question, by the way: I guess Samsung feels large and powerful enough to go against Google. Their partnership might help, I dunno.
It's not a technical thing in itself, as we have developers aboard that could pull this off. Hell, we have devs aboard trumping the engineers of the manufacturers themselves, so that says something. It's politics.
So, maybe a link to the other thread would be a more useful and appropriate response?
From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
I realize that Google has quashed attempts at this in the past, specifically Overskreen, but the fact that there are working options out there could be indicative of a change in philosophy, perhaps?
As far as the CleanROM thread, all I saw was sbdags ask for a link and then you (in typical fashion) insert your option in a less than helpful manner. Humble up. If you don't plan on helping, I don't see why you would take the time to be unpleasant...
I was brought up with the understanding that if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all...
EDIT: one long reply with argumentation you wouldn't understand or accept anyway, I think. Thought the better of it. I'll take your post as a shining example of what a constructive post does not look like, stupid motto and such incorporated.
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
I'm not even knowledgeable enough (yet) to concur with you (although I thought the same this morning, I'd dare not put that in writing for sheer terror of saying something so stupid I'd be a "Chinese volunteer" for the first no-return mission to Saturn). Thanks for chiming in, though.
sbdags said:
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
danger-rat said:
Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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I have seen the concepts of Cornerstone. I would love to see that being imlemented in a ROM for or Infinities. I do use StickIT to be able to watch videos while still using the rest of the screen but a full on Multi Tasking feature would be awsome if possible. I know that the 1 GB RAM limit might hinder it a bit but who knows, mabey sbdags could look into it for a future feature in his CleanROM Inheritance ROM's.
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From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
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sbdags said:
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did..
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
MartyHulskemper said:
So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
jordanmw said:
Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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actually I am not sure if it has to do with the app programmers because on my note 2, with jedi x9 rom all apps do work on multiwindow. So all apps by default just resize. for me it is a matter of time before it becomes standard in some sort on the base google code since it is already there not just implemented on anything other than touchwiz. we can already see a bit with paranandroid stuff and the resizing between tablet and phone screen sizes. some apps (cant remember well) already do the floating. .. so guys patience or has someone said treat uncle sammy for the score and get one of those galactic phones. the thing I would want programmer to focus on is multiwindow and multi monitors outputs with my hdmi output on my tf700 or the airplay android equivalent around the corner.