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As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
Hi there! i have had my Inspire for 2 and a half months. The first thing I must say is, I am unsure of how battery life was on the Iphone, but battery on the Inspire could be better. As any smartphone, the screen consumes A LOT of power. Only twice, however, has my battery not lasted me through the day. On average, I consumed 5% battery per hour on moderate use (25-30 texts per hour, fiddling with a few widgets, looking at stocks, etc) when unrooted on the stock ROM. On heavy usage (screen on especially if playing games, etc), expect to consume at least twice that. I have later rooted and upgraded to the Inspired Ace ROM and done a few battery calibrations and my battery has seemed to sustain much better.
Battery aside, this phone ROCKS! First impressions may be lacking as the battery cover was very difficult to remove on mine, even left scratches where a screwdriver was needed to pry it. The case covers that up though. The phone seems to be very fast and powerful. I have never had any major problems with this phone. It is by far the best phone I have every had. The only problems I have had were when this phone was stock and unrooted. I have more apps than any one person needs (>100) and the built in Froyo application manager does not seem to handle this number well. You have to exit the Manage Applications app then go back to it to load them all sometimes. This problem was fixed with the installation of a Gingerbread ROM, however.
Root was painless with bubby's simple root. (I was almost disappointed at the small amount of user input required! )
The HTC Sense ui makes the phone very user friendly, as it includes many custom widgets for things like mail, stocks, news, and other things. The SRS Enhancement included with Sense ROMs makes music sound amazing.
I have included the high parts here. If there are any more questions you have, please ask. I will be happy to answer any questions you have, as I would HIGHLY recommend this device.
hey will! im thinking about getting a inspire, but a user at the store todl me the phone freezes alot. is that true for all inspires or probably happened to him because he bough a faulty or defected device?
ThroughHymn said:
hey will! im thinking about getting a inspire, but a user at the store todl me the phone freezes alot. is that true for all inspires or probably happened to him because he bough a faulty or defected device?
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That's not true for my phone.
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thank you! and also, i saw the inspire in the store, and the picture and just the quality of the screen and colors was BEAUTIFUL, i thought it was the exact if not better than the iphones visual quality. But i saw somewehre that the iphones resolution is better? how!!!
It has to do with the inspire being superlcd whilest the iPhone has a retina display which in essence is a very high res lcd to the best of my understandings. Keep in mind, however that the inspire's screen is much larger. (take that, Mr. Jobs!) As for the freezes, the guy at the ATT store must be a fan of another phone he is trying to push (blackberry perhaps? Sure...) Or has a total lemon. Mine has never truly frozen. The app manager lagging due to so many apps in froyo and one time out of a thousand in a text message the keyboard would not type when unlocking the phone straight to messaging were the only "freezes" I found and like I said, hitting back and re entering solved instantly.
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ThroughHymn said:
thank you! and also, i saw the inspire in the store, and the picture and just the quality of the screen and colors was BEAUTIFUL, i thought it was the exact if not better than the iphones visual quality. But i saw somewehre that the iphones resolution is better? how!!!
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The iPhone is somewhat nice...But considering it is Apple I must hate it naturally, retina is wonderful, but side by side with an inspire I do not see much of a difference.
Also the 3.5 inch screen is such a huge turn off for me...having a nice 4.3 inch screen to type messages and play games on beats the iphone right there...
(I just noticed im going against the iPhone alot)...Lets attack the Focus! I also considered this phone, I enjoy windows and all, but a mobile OS that is still new to the game didnt interest me much...4 inch screen was okay, I found it a little too small for my taste and I know most of you are saying "whoah .3 inches! Huge deal!" it actually is a really big difference, have you ever compared an inspire side-by-side with a focus? Plus its Samsung, every samsung takes forever to charge, and they are not the highest of quality.
The atrix is a nice competitor, but yet not one at the same time. Cool it has a dual core, so what? My inspire blows it out of the water overclocked at 1900Ghz(of course not constantly running). I can run my inspire at 500Mhz and it is still extremely fast and it surprised me. Also as many know the locked bootloader on the Atrix is also a big turn-off, not custom kernels and plus no ability to remove motoblur? jeez just the fact it runs motoblur makes me cringe, and also the fact that it is made by motorola.
Now moving onto the infuse, finally. This is the best competitor to the Inspire, although I had a choice of getting it I purchased the Inspire, here is why. A 4.5 inch screen was just to large for my hand, I would rather be using an actual tablet than using a half phone half tablet. Also the fact that it is Samsung also scares me, not the best quality device. Touchwiz is not my thing either! Although once rooted that all can change, I still dont like how it is the native OS. If you are really banking on buying an Infuse, you should really just wait for the Galaxy S2 to come to the US, that phone will be a beast. If you read this whole post then kudos to you, I apologize ahead of time for all of the grammatical mistakes and comma splices, but you cant blame me, just got out of school, time for summer .
Yeah I have not used and Samsung Android phones, but my last phone (well last 3 due to warranty replacements) was a Samsung Jack. Between WinMo and Samsung, I'm definitely a lifetime customer of any of its competitors. Plus HTCs recent decision to stop locking bootloaders will be nice for future phones if you are going to mod. My last Samsung was more like samsuck. Just saying.
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thank you both!! To me, HTC Sense is so well made that all the other operating systems? lol or whatever they are called in my opinion are just a more flexible edition of the IOS. I mean really, i look at the atrix, its widgets are boxes liek the iphone, it scrolls liek the iphone, and i find, well, i dont know if its the infuse or the atrix but the screen of one of them, may be both, is liek darkened? Its display isnt bright but its almost liek a gloomy type of brightness that the phone has. Im surprised no one else has commented or complained about it. But yea, i really want the Inspire, but ppl keep saying wait for a dual processor, but im only goign to get a dual processor phone that has HTC Sense the best in the business!
Not sure about the infuse, but I am pretty sure they do make sense based ROMs for non HTC devices. I know I have seen them for the galaxy s. So if you can get a non HTC dual core and want it to have sense, I'm sure you can find a ROM out there. However, from what I have read the second gen snapdragon (aka scorpion, according to HTC's specs) processor can hang with them fairly well especially with o/c kernels.
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I would like to add, that the Infuse has 428 of RAM and the Inspire has 768, very noticeable difference. Yes, gsII is going to be a beast, but I still don't wanna touch a Samsung. After having one of their dumbphones for a year and a half before getting this phone at the end of Feb, and reading their mishaps with the last year concerning the gs line and the fact I can't stand douchefizz, I will no longer consider Crapsung. I'd rather wait longer to give up my Inspire. The only phone I will give my Inspire up for right now is the rumored HTC Holiday. This is my first smartphone, and I am very happy! Liked em since I first saw the Evo and Incredible last year. Now, since owning this phone, I am HTC 4 Life!
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I would like to add, that the Infuse has 428 of RAM and the Inspire has 768, very noticeable difference. ...
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I am SO glad to see this. I had been jonesing an Infuse, but couldn't find a RAM spec. Jones now over. All I need is an overclockable kernel for Inspired Ace and even the 1200 MHz of the Infuse won't give me any envy.
I am very happy with the MDJ's v19 kernel on inspired ace. Overclock up to 1.6 GHz supported. I know some kernels will go up to 1.8 but I find this kernel good for battery life. I have leedroid on my sd card to try, but never have as I am happy with MDJ.
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I am very happy with the MDJ's v19 kernel on inspired ace. Overclock up to 1.6 GHz supported. I know some kernels will go up to 1.8 but I find this kernel good for battery life. I have leedroid on my sd card to try, but never have as I am happy with MDJ.
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Quick threadjack, been looking for an overclock kernel for IA!
The only d/l link I'm finding is for MDJ v22... any chance you can link me to v19?
I suppose I should keep up with the changing kernels a bit better! V22 is just the latest update. it should be as good or better that v19. Allows higher oc speed best I could tell by the changelog. I suppose I should update my kernel as well! Remeber to change the governor to smarta** for better battery life without the need to set screen off profiles with the ondemand governor. That is what I have read and seems to work, anyway.
I bought a nexus S May 26. I left my pre for it. I was happy with my pre, but the battery life had become unbearable (4-6 hrs) and the sales person was good. My opening line to him was, "I don't want the Nexus S bc it is last gen tech No dual core no gyroscope." Anyways I was talked into getting it.
Now the rumors are running rampant with news of the Samsung Within coming in July! (I know this does not amount to anything) I called sprint and straight up asked the rep if sprint was getting a galaxy S 2. He put me on hold for a min while he asked he higher up when he came back he told me "I can neither confirm nor deny sprint getting a galaxy S 2"
The Nexus S is a great phone. Although I have been able to make it stutter while loading web pages (engadget joystiq). The battery life is good, but anything is good coming from the pre with an old battery.
So my prob is do I return my Nexus S in the next 2 days and wait for the SGS2 to come out? Or be happy with what I got?
I am open to ALL opinions.
I would just get the SGS2. The phone is more "future proof", and if you're going to be running custom roms on it anyway, then all the more so.
Only reason I'd go for NS over SGS2 at this time is the stock barebones android vs the bada UI which I don't quite like.
I got my NS in January cos it made sense then. 6 months later, I can't say I would do it again.
Agree that SGS2 will be pretty much future proof. However, any improvements in hardware ( dual core) will not create any noticeable effects on daily usage.
My best bet is to wait I guess. And furthermore no phones are future proof
Hummingbirds are pretty much for now.
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dplate07 said:
Agree that SGS2 will be pretty much future proof. However, any improvements in hardware ( dual core) will not create any noticeable effects on daily usage.
My best bet is to wait I guess. And furthermore no phones are future proof
Hummingbirds are pretty much for now.
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Have you played with the SGS2? It just launched under Starhub yesterday right?
It's a pretty sweet device. IMO, the only thing the NS has over the SGSII is that we're gonna get ICS first. That's if you're gonna flash custom ROMs of course.
At this point, hardware-wise, SGSII is the best Android phone there is. It's got all the goodness of the NS but that dual core processor instead of a single.
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Have you played with the SGS2? It just launched under Starhub yesterday right?
It's a pretty sweet device. IMO, the only thing the NS has over the SGSII is that we're gonna get ICS first. That's if you're gonna flash custom ROMs of course.
At this point, hardware-wise, SGSII is the best Android phone there is. It's got all the goodness of the NS but that dual core processor instead of a single.
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Yes, but however I went to test the SGS2 I found that the software isn't as optimized as NS. And moreover, the ram management just isn't up to the mark.
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Ive owned both and will say that the sgs2 is hands down the fastest stock phone made right now. But the problem with both phones is that you will get bored with them very fast. If your like me that is.
Bottom line, if i were choosing between the 2 I'd take the sgs2 over the sns in a heart beat. The sgs2 is gaining dev attention fast and that will make it more fun.
Just my opinion.
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Hey guys just trying to decide on a phone I was wondering if the infuse is the phone for me any advice? Do you guys like it? If you could get a different one what would you get? Thanks
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Honestly, at this point wait for the SGSII. The phone come out at the end of the month.
I couldn't be much happier with my Infuse. It's a great phone. However, the SGSII will be coming out soon, so you have a tricky decision to make.
The advantages the Infuse has are a 4.5" screen as opposed to the 4.3" screen on the SGSII. Also, you can walk into a store tomorrow and get it.
The advantages of the SGSII are it's dual core processor, and the fact that it will likely have an insanely huge development community.
Both phones have a 1.2 GHz processor, but the dual core in the SGSII will definitely give it an edge. However, I don't have any lag on my infuse whatsoever, so that is kind of negligible to me.
Also, even though the development community for the Infuse will be smaller in the long run, it isn't bad by any means.
It's really a win-win with either choice in my eyes, as right now I would choose my Infuse over anything on the market right now.
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I couldn't be much happier with my Infuse. It's a great phone. However, the SGSII will be coming out soon, so you have a tricky decision to make.
The advantages the Infuse has are a 4.5" screen as opposed to the 4.3" screen on the SGSII. Also, you can walk into a store tomorrow and get it.
The advantages of the SGSII are it's dual core processor, and the fact that it will likely have an insanely huge development community.
Both phones have a 1.2 GHz processor, but the dual core in the SGSII will definitely give it an edge. However, I don't have any lag on my infuse whatsoever, so that is kind of negligible to me.
Also, even though the development community for the Infuse will be smaller in the long run, it isn't bad by any means.
It's really a win-win with either choice in my eyes, as right now I would choose my Infuse over anything on the market right now.
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I wonder if dual core will make a "real world" difference? When multi-core CPU's for Desktop and Laptop PC's came out they made little difference until there were applications that supported them. It took a number of years for that to happen for other than high end business products.
Is more hype then fact?
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I wonder if dual core will make a "real world" difference? When multi-core CPU's for Desktop and Laptop PC's came out they made little difference until there were applications that supported them. It took a number of years for that to happen for other than high end business products.
Is more hype then fact?
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A easier way to make money with a wow factor.
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Best phone I have ever owned. I love it. Fast, great battery life, and the screen is just simply amazing.
The dev section here sucks, g2g and the rest of the dev's for this phone work hard and create some great stuff but there are far too many arrogant and whiney users constantly putting down their work and crying like little girls because they don't understand how to follow directions or realize that roms are a work in progress. Soon the SII will come out and most of them will leave and this section will get a lot more sane and the SII section is going to go to hell.
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I wonder if dual core will make a "real world" difference? When multi-core CPU's for Desktop and Laptop PC's came out they made little difference until there were applications that supported them. It took a number of years for that to happen for other than high end business products.
Is more hype then fact?
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dual core always makes a difference, it just doesnt make a 100% difference. there are times it might eliminate all lag making it seem like a world of difference, other times it can make zero difference. the big advantage is when background services are running or on a pc when you have multiple windows open and running different applications. but now pc applications are multi-threaded taking more advantage even when multi tasking is at a minimum.
also remember the dual core phones have faster ram and are arm cortex a9 processors not a8. there may be some new hardware level advancements that can be taken advantage of in the next android releases.
as far as graphics processing goes we have a good gpu and are comparable to a tegra in raw capabilities. though the benchmarks often give the tegra an advantage in speed i find the renderings to look better on the samsung. im not saying anything one way or another. the infuse can accomplish anything a dual core can as far as far as video playback and graphics but the dual core phones have there merit. look at youtube vids side by side of a sgs2 web browsing against other devices. it powers through flash a lot faster than anything else i have seen.
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dual core always makes a difference, it just doesnt make a 100% difference. there are times it might eliminate all lag making it seem like a world of difference, other times it can make zero difference. the big advantage is when background services are running or on a pc when you have multiple windows open and running different applications. but now pc applications are multi-threaded taking more advantage even when multi tasking is at a minimum.
also remember the dual core phones have faster ram and are arm cortex a9 processors not a8. there may be some new hardware level advancements that can be taken advantage of in the next android releases.
as far as graphics processing goes we have a good gpu and are comparable to a tegra in raw capabilities. though the benchmarks often give the tegra an advantage in speed i find the renderings to look better on the samsung. im not saying anything one way or another. the infuse can accomplish anything a dual core can as far as far as video playback and graphics but the dual core phones have there merit. look at youtube vids side by side of a sgs2 web browsing against other devices. it powers through flash a lot faster than anything else i have seen.
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I, like MrEdf (I'm Mr. Ed 2 lol) don't see much of a difference when using todays line up of applications when it comes to single vs dual...
the ram is supposed to be better but we have no devices utilizing that to test with right now...so it is just speculation.
take the dual core phones out now and run them through real world scenarios side by side with an overclocked android device be it hummingbird or snapdragon and look for a difference....granted the benchmark will be better on the dual core and it truly is more powerful, there isn't much developed to at this point that will utilize it.
what I hope to see is better multitasking. i get completely scattered going back and forth between apps and my phone gets all pissed off about it.
I've mentioned in a few other threads my plans...I'll test several devices (atrix is already out of the picture) like the lg thrill, the gs2 and my infuse, prolly throw our inspire into the tests just for fun... in the end I will use the one I like the most
I love this phone....right now. ask me again in a month lol
you tube
here we go.
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assuming infuse on froyo whereas s2 on gingerbread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqo5Rmx3WtA
if difference is fraction of a second then i think one can live with it.
at the end of the day both are just phones and for more complicated work we have laptops and netbooks or tablets.
rohit3192 said:
here we go.
(video not uploaded by me)
assuming infuse on froyo whereas s2 on gingerbread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqo5Rmx3WtA
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He has some excellent comparison videos...
keep in mind that is the euro s2 as well..who knows what variation we end up with in the US
I love this phone, the devs are awesome and their product is top notch. I have yet to find a rom our kernel that I wouldn't run. Everything is good and its just a matter of preference and a few specific features. The community its great, aside from a few bad apples, but generally they are very helpful and informative.
I too was looking at the sgII but needed a new phone and picked up the infuse, I have no regrets, plus the scuttlebutt if that the attain (att version of sgII) will have a physical keyboard.
All in all, infuse is they best phone I've ever owned and can easily see it keeping me happy for a long time.
Infused with gingerbread **** thanks GTG465X
Agree with many people here. Wait for the SGSII. Don't get me wrong, the Infuse is a great phone, but unless the SGSII is over $200 on contract, I would just wait for it
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The SGSII is certainly the phone to beat, however be aware that it has a smaller battery than the Infuse and with the dual core processor it's battery life is not great. Also rumor has it that AT&T's version will have a slide-out keyboard (confirmed by a friend of mine who works at an AT&T store). If that's the case I would have no interest in the phone because the keyboard will make it thicker. In any case you can get an Infuse and have 30 days to try it out before needing to return it. Samsung is having their release event later this month so you'd still be inside the return window if they announce something your interested in. I find the 1.2Ghz processor in the Infuse to be outstanding and don't find any speed complaints, in fact I'd trade better battery life for single core versus dual core. And our Infuse has the largest Super AMOLED Plus screen.
So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!
It really is the best Keyboard in TM's Android line up. It just seemed to be buggy from the start, not to mention considering it's Samsung updates come once in a Blue Moon.
I've always liked the Sidekick family, even though the first Sidekick I had was the ID. It served me well until I lost my data plan. I heard the LX and SL or whatever else there was, were great improvements and now I'm the proud owner of a 4G. I love it! It's got the feel of a Sidekick with all the perks Android has to offer. My only qualms are battery life and (occasionally) speed and lagging. I rooted my phone, and it seems to be performing much better, but this is all fairly new to me, so I'll have to have a friend who is more experinced with rooting and ROMs take a look at it.
Note... the sidekick may be fully functional, and a great messaging phone, but it is also a low end smartphone. You will notice graphics lag everywhere, it won't hinder you from doing anything, its just not pretty.
What im saying is... don't compare it to the evo. Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones. On the other hand, I can actually type faster on the vibrant then on the Sidekick. The bigger the screen, the easier virtual keyboards become.
My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................
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My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................
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Now that I think about it, my sk4g was on par to Droid x / Droid 2 / Droid global on quadrant easily low 2000 scores every time.... I have a very technological family, we always compete who's is faster.....
Its embarrassing a $150 phone is faster than "high end" phones.... now nexus' are a different story ;-)
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So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!
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Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.
I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.
I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.
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I'm glad to see you're not blinded by what people expect you to conform to.
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I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.
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That's my only gripe also, but I still love this phone.
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I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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Even though the perfect screen size for me is 4'', this phone has everything I wanted. And remember, 1ghz and 512mb ram were at one time high end specs.
It was either this phone or the epic, which is the only other phone I like, ever.
I've always loved the Sidekicks, I've owned 3, but I decided to get the 4G Slide for my daughter.
It has the best keyboard ever, hands down.
I am in my late 40s and my wife & I have had Sidekicks since Sidekick II. Still best keyboard on the market!!
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Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones.
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You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
The Sidekick 4g doesn't hold a candle to the MT4GS...not one iota. Sorry to those I might offend but I'm speaking from experience.....as the SK4G and the MT4GS are a couple of the phones I currently own and use every day....in fact I'll go as far as saying I'd ditch my SK4G for another G2 given the opportunity. Giving up the G2 for a SK4G was a big mistake to start with as the G2 had a lot more going for it. The ONLY thing the SK4G has that the G2 doesn't? A FFC....who uses it anyways?
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You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
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Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!
IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P
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Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!
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Well not really. The Sensation is clocked at 1.2 ghz. And so is the Evo 3d. But the Amaze has a 1.5 snapdragon s3 processor. Different from the Sensation and evo 3d. Even if the it was 1.5ghz it still won't get the same performance as the Amaze and Evo 3d because they are newer processors. I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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Wrong and right. We can currently oc to 1.7 using the virtuous unity kernels but if you try to oc using apps like setcpu it will show as being overclocked but it only oc's one core since setcpu doesn't support it yet. So it depends on how you try to oc. However setcpu works just fine for underclocking both cores.
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IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P
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having had a galaxy as well I can personally say FROM EXPERIENCE samsung products need more polish. Hummingbird or not you'd never know cuz they run like turd.
have you not realized how pitiful samsung products are. After the 3 samsung smartphones I've had now I can firmly say FROM EXPERIENCE You can put any processor or nice screen in it but as the saying goes you can cover a pile of crap in gold but its still a pile of crap...
TRUE WORDS FROM SOMEONE WITH FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE AND HAVE OWNED THEM. (vibrant, galaxy s 4g, sidekick 4g, g2, mytouch 4g, mytouch 4g slide
Not just writing about what I read elsewhere LOL.
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I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.
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I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.
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You interested in buying my sidekick id or 08(needs new battery) real cheap? Lol jk.
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Because I respect the Glacier community so much I pose this topic here.
I'm looking to find a cheap, maybe older, tablet to root and pimp like we have for our phone.
It will mainly be used for presentation purposes...video, slide shows, etc.
All ideas are welcomed, thank you.
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Because I respect the Glacier community so much I pose this topic here.
I'm looking to find a cheap, maybe older, tablet to root and pimp like we have for our phone.
It will mainly be used for presentation purposes...video, slide shows, etc.
All ideas are welcomed, thank you.
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I am gonna get majorly flamed, but honestly, try to get an ipad. I love android an everything but android tablets aren't well enough baked at this point. Try getting a refurb ipad 2. I have the iPad and i love it, expecially for presentations and such.
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I am gonna get majorly flamed, but honestly, try to get an ipad. I love android an everything but android tablets aren't well enough baked at this point. Try getting a refurb ipad 2. I have the iPad and i love it, expecially for presentations and such.
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I disagree. A refurbished Motorola Xoom might be the best bang for the buck you can get. Newegg had NEW Xoom tablets for just 300$ last weekend.
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THEindian said:
I am gonna get majorly flamed, but honestly, try to get an ipad. I love android an everything but android tablets aren't well enough baked at this point. Try getting a refurb ipad 2. I have the iPad and i love it, expecially for presentations and such.
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I disagree. A refurbished Motorola Xoom might be the best bang for the buck you can get. Newegg had NEW Xoom tablets for just 300$ last weekend.
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Both of these tablets would do. Honestly, I'd side with THEindian right now. iPad is a great device, and you'd be able to enjoy the best of both worlds with Android and iOS
Thanks all. I guess I should have really been specific in that I'm only considering Android due to rootability.....and I dislike the iMachine.
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I have a tf101. Asus makes some beastly tabs but they have bugs and stuff. Like the stock ics firmware causes SoDs but there's an awesome italian kernel dev named guevor that pretty much fixed it and its basically his job working on the kernel.
I've heard the Acer tabs are alright, I saw an A200 for 200 somewhere. There's also a new Acer tab with a 1080p screen coming out soon for 450 and there's also the Asus tf700 coming out that's an ipad 3 killer in the benchmarks.
But if you want to be cheap like me, get a tegra 2 tab. The application of the tegra 3 processing power isn't a huge thing at the moment.
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Thanks all. I guess I should have really been specific in that I'm only considering Android due to rootability.....and I dislike the iMachine.
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It really depends on your price range. I am gonna make a last pitch for the ipad, it is iOS but you can jailbreak it an stuff. It has WAY better apps and more that are optimized for the screen. I was at the best buy mobile and i could barely figure out how to use the android tablet. You have an issue if the kernel dev can't navigate through the OS to find the settings button. Anyway, if you are dead set on android, google is expected to release a $200 dollar nexus tablet built by asus w/ tegra 3. That will probably be your best bet.
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It really depends on your price range. I am gonna make a last pitch for the ipad, it is iOS but you can jailbreak it an stuff. It has WAY better apps and more that are optimized for the screen. I was at the best buy mobile and i could barely figure out how to use the android tablet. You have an issue if the kernel dev can't navigate through the OS to find the settings button. Anyway, if you are dead set on android, google is expected to release a $200 dollar nexus tablet built by asus w/ tegra 3. That will probably be your best bet.
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Thanks y'all.
Yeah, been reading up on tabs all day and found some info on the nexus. I wish some details would be released on what kind of functionality it will have, but the price is definitely right along with processing power. I can live without a camera, but GPS might be nice to have in a 7" tablet. Hopefully the info goes viral after I/O next weekend....and ordering one doesn't require a lottery.
Anyone have any experience with the Dell Streak? I've found very mixed reviews out there. Super poor reviews on the Lenovo and Vizio. Seems Samsung, Acer, and Asus have best reviews and fair pricing on 7" tabs...I'm trying to stay under $250, goal being under $200.
I really just can't support anything i, even though I know the products are nice and jailbreakable. I bleed Android for better or worse. Started with a G1, had original chrome beta, and except for Wave and Drive failing, I have never been disappointed by anything g. I've talked and fought so much against iSheep and the iMachine I might get crucified if I showed up with an iPad ;-)
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Launchpad McQuack said:
Thanks y'all.
Yeah, been reading up on tabs all day and found some info on the nexus. I wish some details would be released on what kind of functionality it will have, but the price is definitely right along with processing power. I can live without a camera, but GPS might be nice to have in a 7" tablet. Hopefully the info goes viral after I/O next weekend....and ordering one doesn't require a lottery.
Anyone have any experience with the Dell Streak? I've found very mixed reviews out there. Super poor reviews on the Lenovo and Vizio. Seems Samsung, Acer, and Asus have best reviews and fair pricing on 7" tabs...I'm trying to stay under $250, goal being under $200.
I really just can't support anything i, even though I know the products are nice and jailbreakable. I bleed Android for better or worse. Started with a G1, had original chrome beta, and except for Wave and Drive failing, I have never been disappointed by anything g. I've talked and fought so much against iSheep and the iMachine I might get crucified if I showed up with an iPad ;-)
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Don't get the ipad. My dad has an ipad 2, doesn't do **** with it... I jail broke it, still doesn't do **** with it.
I mess with it myself and I get so bored with it. Yea its all nice and smooth and user friendly but it doesn't have the functionality of android.
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Launchpad McQuack said:
Thanks y'all.
Yeah, been reading up on tabs all day and found some info on the nexus. I wish some details would be released on what kind of functionality it will have, but the price is definitely right along with processing power. I can live without a camera, but GPS might be nice to have in a 7" tablet. Hopefully the info goes viral after I/O next weekend....and ordering one doesn't require a lottery.
Anyone have any experience with the Dell Streak? I've found very mixed reviews out there. Super poor reviews on the Lenovo and Vizio. Seems Samsung, Acer, and Asus have best reviews and fair pricing on 7" tabs...I'm trying to stay under $250, goal being under $200.
I really just can't support anything i, even though I know the products are nice and jailbreakable. I bleed Android for better or worse. Started with a G1, had original chrome beta, and except for Wave and Drive failing, I have never been disappointed by anything g. I've talked and fought so much against iSheep and the iMachine I might get crucified if I showed up with an iPad ;-)
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i got a Dell Streak 7, if you want my honest opinion, it's bad. the battery life sucks on this thing, and it took me a whole day just to upgrade to honeycomb. and they literally have NO development support AT ALL and worst of all, the thing comes with a Tegra 2 processor but only 512 MB of RAM. WTF
IMO, Dell tablets aren't worth it.
my dad has an Acer A500 (10 inch) and a friend of mine has the Acer A100 (7 inch). Acer is okay i guess, much better than Dell, but occasional lag on both devices. not sure if it's because of the way my dad and friend uses them, but battery life on the A100 is bad as well. A500 is okay, about 2 days moderate usage.
i think you should either wait for the Nexus or go for ASUS. i hear great things about those tablets, and they seem very great as well. and they've got HUGE development going on over there.
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i got a Dell Streak 7, if you want my honest opinion, it's bad. the battery life sucks on this thing, and it took me a whole day just to upgrade to honeycomb. and they literally have NO development support AT ALL and worst of all, the thing comes with a Tegra 2 processor but only 512 MB of RAM. WTF
IMO, Dell tablets aren't worth it.
my dad has an Acer A500 (10 inch) and a friend of mine has the Acer A100 (7 inch). Acer is okay i guess, much better than Dell, but occasional lag on both devices. not sure if it's because of the way my dad and friend uses them, but battery life on the A100 is bad as well. A500 is okay, about 2 days moderate usage.
i think you should either wait for the Nexus or go for ASUS. i hear great things about those tablets, and they seem very great as well. and they've got HUGE development going on over there.
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If their devs are anywhere as good as we have here for the Glacier, then I'm all in thanks for the Dell review.
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For the best value for your money, I'd suggest the Skypad A2. For just over $100, you get 7" ICS ready tablet, pre-rooted, with HDMI out. How many sub- $200 tablets can boast that? There are a couple of great reviews on Amazon and a handful of custom ROMs.
If you're looking for value, I'd recommend it. I've had no issues and loved it so far. If you're willing to spend the extra couple hundred, you can do much better.
http://www.amazon.com/SKYTEX-Skypad...qid=1340031659&sr=1-1&keywords=skypad+alpha+2
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For the best value for your money, I'd suggest the Skypad A2. For just over $100, you get 7" ICS ready tablet, pre-rooted, with HDMI out. How many sub- $200 tablets can boast that? There are a couple of great reviews on Amazon and a handful of custom ROMs.
If you're looking for value, I'd recommend it. I've had no issues and loved it so far. If you're willing to spend the extra couple hundred, you can do much better.
http://www.amazon.com/SKYTEX-Skypad...qid=1340031659&sr=1-1&keywords=skypad+alpha+2
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The cheaper tabs only have 512mb RAM, am I correct? My mom's nook tab has 1gb of RAM and a dual core processor, so I refuse to have anything less powerful than my mom's nook tablet.
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I2IEAILiiTY said:
The cheaper tabs only have 512mb RAM, am I correct? My mom's nook tab has 1gb of RAM and a dual core processor, so I refuse to have anything less powerful than my mom's nook tablet.
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Yes, the screen resolution and ram seem to be the biggest limiting factor for price. the Asus nexus looks to change this however with serious processing/ram power and a decent screen for ~$200....so the hype talk says. We'll see what happens after I/O this weekend. Bit I agree, for me 1Gb ram will likely be mandatory for good presentations.
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I2IEAILiiTY said:
The cheaper tabs only have 512mb RAM, am I correct? My mom's nook tab has 1gb of RAM and a dual core processor, so I refuse to have anything less powerful than my mom's nook tablet.
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Yes, low RAM, but if you're looking for value, how important is that? The 1.2 GHz processor does great with it, and I've regularly used PSX4Droid with no issues. I can't think of anything more processor intensive than that.
It's all about what you need/want. Personally, I'd much rather have the HDMI out and ICS over a nook.
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Yes, low RAM, but if you're looking for value, how important is that? The 1.2 GHz processor does great with it, and I've regularly used PSX4Droid with no issues. I can't think of anything more processor intensive than that.
It's all about what you need/want. Personally, I'd much rather have the HDMI out and ICS over a nook.
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Is that 1.2 single core? What about screen res?
I believe everything should still run smooth on devices with specs similar to those as this phone can too.
I bought fpse, and it actually runs smoother on this tablet if i enable it to use only one core. Lol
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Is that 1.2 single core? What about screen res?
I believe everything should still run smooth on devices with specs similar to those as this phone can too.
I bought fpse, and it actually runs smoother on this tablet if i enable it to use only one core. Lol
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Yes, it's a single core. The res is average at best, since it's a 7" WVGA (800x480). It's pretty necessary to use the HDMI out, which gives full 1080p res.
There is no way it can compare to more expensive tablets, but it's something I could throw away tomorrow and not feel bad about losing.
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Yes, it's a single core. The res is average at best, since it's a 7" WVGA (800x480). It's pretty necessary to use the HDMI out, which gives full 1080p res.
There is no way it can compare to more expensive tablets, but it's something I could throw away tomorrow and not feel bad about losing.
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That's pretty sweet. That's something you could give to a child for a toy or whatever, though some parents these days (some I know personally) buy their children iDevices...even the ipad -_-
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I2IEAILiiTY said:
That's pretty sweet. That's something you could give to a child for a toy or whatever, though some parents these days (some I know personally) buy their children iDevices...even the ipad -_-
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Exactly. it's something I could literally throw to my 4 year old nephew and not think twice about. A tablet was something I couldn't justify since I have a work laptop and personal one, but the price was too difficult to pass up.
Sadly, I always get the question, oohh, is that an iPad?
Not to rain on the parade but skypad? Never heard of the brand, stick with the big guns bro
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