[Q] S-On mytouch 4g slide? - T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide

Hey guys,
I'm gonna need to send my phone in for an exchange, and after some searching I saw that there is no thread for S-ON, or a return to stock program.
If there is and I didn't find it my apologies, if not...any ideas?

If you want to make sure they don't see its in working order or S-Off
Download maybe a MT4G (Not slide!) Radio or stock ROM and rename it whatever the bootloader for this device requires the name to be in order for itto flash a zip and just brick your phone haha.
Did you check the s-off thread tho? I thought it says how to get back to stock s-on
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I have a script over on the dev page that has unroot as one of its features...Go check it out

xmc wildchild22 said:
I have a script over on the dev page that has unroot as one of its features...Go check it out
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I can unrootvit but radio security is still s-off
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hmm.
Well i followed this guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxMfYiIUXpM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
But did some searching and found out that its impossible(lliterally perm-root) so you can brick it or just send it in...im on my 4th warranty phone and they havent arrested me yet
But if you choose to brick ill give you a step by step tut as i am a pro at bricking

Lol i have a rom that will brick everytime. Lmao, xmc thats funny.
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Well see I was thinking of getting the gs2. Wondering if I send it back with s-off if they will not accept it
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Just flash Haykuro's bootloader for the G1 and give new meaning to the term "DeathSPL."
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sgtmedeiros said:
Well see I was thinking of getting the gs2. Wondering if I send it back with s-off if they will not accept it
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Theyl accept it because here's what happens:
1) You call, they process a waranty exchange.
2) They contact HTC and HTC sends u a new phone.
3) You send your "defective" device back to t-mobile upon receiving your new device.
4) As soon as they get it, they ship it right on over to HTC.
They never look at it.
Btw even if ur not talking about an insurrance claim, they won't look at it I'm sure
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I once tried to brick an htc phone. 7 or 8 rom flashing attempts, still powered on and had adb. Several incorrect radios, still, powered on. Microwaved until flames came out several times. Wound up flashing back to stock, rooted. Worked, albeit the bottom quarter inch of touchscreen was dead. Stunk for a few days. Made me happy with the build quality for sure. The previous iterations of the mytouch line were in fact quite good. Wish my new keyboard didn't bubble and warp, and the screen could be glass. And aftermarket batteries being better than stock??? Really? All that aside, I still love this phone. Won't be testing its brick-ability...

blackknightavalon said:
Just flash Haykuro's bootloader for the G1 and give new meaning to the term "DeathSPL."
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Hey BlackKnight,
Did you by chance also get your MT4GS as a replacement for your G2? I noticed your sig shows a G2 as backup. Lol. I was just curious cause I want to keep my G2 as well but I think T-Mobile is gonna expect me to send it back. However, when they replaced my Optimus T for my G2 they did let me keep that phone. I guess I will see later today when my MyTouch arrives.

Daiskei said:
Hey BlackKnight,
Did you by chance also get your MT4GS as a replacement for your G2? I noticed your sig shows a G2 as backup. Lol. I was just curious cause I want to keep my G2 as well but I think T-Mobile is gonna expect me to send it back. However, when they replaced my Optimus T for my G2 they did let me keep that phone. I guess I will see later today when my MyTouch arrives.
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Picked it up during a smartphone sale back in September. If my G1 hadn't died on me I'd still be using that.

So guys, I just got my MT4GS and I am wondering if I should root it right away, plenty of experience doing so but I see that it can't be put to S-On after you flip the switch. (Lame) Anywho, I would love to have the fall back ability to send this back if something goes wrong with it... If I put it to S-Off, will I be able to send it back? Are you SURE T-Mobile won't throw a fit if it's stock, unrooted, s-off?

Daiskei said:
So guys, I just got my MT4GS and I am wondering if I should root it right away, plenty of experience doing so but I see that it can't be put to S-On after you flip the switch. (Lame) Anywho, I would love to have the fall back ability to send this back if something goes wrong with it... If I put it to S-Off, will I be able to send it back? Are you SURE T-Mobile won't throw a fit if it's stock, unrooted, s-off?
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HTC has been known to send out S-Off devices. It's no issue.
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blackknightavalon said:
HTC has been known to send out S-Off devices. It's no issue.
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Okay! I am taking your word for it! XD

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Good news guys. Looks like the G2 has been cracked!

Why is this good news? Now that the G2 can get permanent root, it may not be long till we see root for the MyTouch 4G. God I hope this is the case!
Might want to link up where they stated it for the G2 (stated here)
hopefully this will come to the MT4G soon.... can't wait to take out the bloatware
Not sure if im going to root the mt4g. Rooted the rest of my past phones only because the stock Rom suxs. This phone is pretty nice and fast as is. But I'm sure that the itch to root will come to play later on...
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iGoOsE76 said:
Not sure if im going to root the mt4g. Rooted the rest of my past phones only because the stock Rom suxs. This phone is pretty nice and fast as is. But I'm sure that the itch to root will come to play later on...
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Unless TMo is able to cut off tethering through their ROM (Nov 14???) - than that alone would be a reason to load a custom ROM.
Removing bloatware and free teathering is all I need. The fine does everything else by its self fine.
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I love this phone the way it is as well, bloatware needs to go. Only thing I'm really thinking is gingerbread.
does that mean we are next considering the lock is similar to the G2

Bricked my shift, wont boot, need help bad and fast!!!

I was having trouble trying to flash back to the orig sprint ruu. After toying around, I finally got it to flash completely, only thing is...it still had the METRO banner. I ignored it.
So I hit the search bar and was looking for the best way to root it. Several options came up, I clicked one, and proceeded. Now, after trying to restart the phone, it will not boot at all, it wont go into recovery, all it was doing was flashing a steady orange light. After unplugging and replugging for a few hours, now all it does is just flash a blinking orange light.
I tried to use the ruu flash again on the pc, it gets to the point where it says the img version: version-main FAILED (status read failed (Too many links)). I select to update the current Rom version and it just hangs.
Here is why Im having these issues. I used this method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996 which isnt even for the shift, its for a damn htc glacier mytouch. I never browse for other phones except the evo, but i was taken there from the search while I was inside the shift sub-forum. A mistake that could have been prevented if only I didnt trust the search bar that it would stay within the "shift" sub-forums. Feck, Feck, FECK!!!
Then, i went here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010397&highlight=bricked to figure a way to unbrick it, everybody is saying this guy need a new battery. I doubt that will help my cause.
Right now, my epic is activated? Should I switch the shift on that line, and take it in to the sprint store? Swapping phones on sprintpcs.com just involve adding in meid numbers thats on the phone only, or do the phone need to be on (booted up) to add more numbers? Never done it and just trying to figuer out my best option here? Or is there any other way I can atleast get the shift to boot so i can reflash the ruu?
Congrats you successfully truely bricked your phone. There is no way to recover from it. That sucks dude.
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TRUE BRICK? thats not what I wanted to hear. By using the flash ruu, doesnt my phone needs to be turned on? Or that doesnt matter?
Im hoping that since its all software based modifications that was made, then it should be as simple as re-writing those software/programming mods?
Head to the irc stickied at the top of the page. If anyone can help you it will be there but I wouldn't hold out hope.
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I'd activate it and go to Sprint. Don't tell them what happened. They'll just order you a new one if you have insurance and if not you'll have to pay $35.
See if you can find a charged battery for a Shift, TouchPro2, Hero, or original Evo and pop that in, it's worth a try. I know someone else with the flashing orange light was able to fix their phone by using a new battery.
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I'd activate it and go to Sprint. Don't tell them what happened. They'll just order you a new one if you have insurance and if not you'll have to pay $35.
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That's what I'd do. But they might charge you the deductable ($100) . Just be sure to under no circumstance tell them you did it. Hell if it's truely bricked just tell them you dropped it in water. That way they don't even check it. But, remember that's just my opinion .
If you are using the dropping it in water method make sure you do get the battery wet as there is an indicator on the batteries to see if the phone has been wet. It's a paper strip and will turn pink when it has been in water...
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If all else fails and you're planning a drowning defense, why not just drop it in the water (tee hee)?
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Guys, I've worked out an alternative solution, and its way much easier. Will update about my secret weapon in due time, lol.
Eek a true brick. That's scary as hello. I rooted via visionary and the dd method. I've only heard of bricks but never saw one first hand.
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i have never had to pay a deductible for a defective phone. almost every single phone i have had has had some issue that i havent been happy with, sprint has either replaced or repaired it at no cost to me. so dont get it wet, just take it in and tell them it cut out during a call or something, and now you cant turn it back on. done and done, you'll have your replacement.

[Q] Is anyone working on a permanent root for the 2.3.3?

I was trying to root my gf's phone then found out it don't work on 2.3.3! Is anyone working on a perm root for 2.3.3? The temp root don't help me out because she is wanting to flash different roms on the phone.
Is there anyway to get the phone back to 2.2 so I can perm root it?
MoPho said:
I was trying to root my gf's phone then found out it don't work on 2.3.3! Is anyone working on a perm root for 2.3.3? The temp root don't help me out because she is wanting to flash different roms on the phone.
Is there anyway to get the phone back to 2.2 so I can perm root it?
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Yes they are, but for more info, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xda:+evo+shift+2.3.3+root
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Thanks but I have googled it and everything it pulled up was already looked at by me so it's not that I haven't searched. Just haven't heard of anyone making any leaps towards perm root. The fre3vo temp root don't help me much.
I found this guide.... http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Evo_Shift_4G:_Full_Update_Guide I'm guessing it isn't for the 2.3.3 OTA updated Evo Shift 4G or is it?
MoPho said:
I found this guide.... http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Evo_Shift_4G:_Full_Update_Guide I'm guessing it isn't for the 2.3.3 OTA updated Evo Shift 4G or is it?
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Umm, last I knew the revolutionary guys were working down the phones just like the twrp guys... I could be wrong but i say very soon we should have something
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i posted it in one of these many threads here last night that i asked agrabren about it and he said he cant do anything cause he doesnt have one to work with and hes one of the main ones that did fre3vo but hopefully one of thems looking into it for us
My g/f got me a Motorola Photon and I rooted getting it ready for when more development comes as way of roms. She had 2.2 on hers and I asked when she updated it and she said she didn't. She got her phone last December so she had to update it to 2.3.3 right?
Anyways I heard sprint can rollback to 2.2 but they usually won't because they don't want people going back so they can root their phones.
I have a friend at Radioshack, do authorized retailers have the ability to rollback to 2.2?
MoPho said:
My g/f got me a Motorola Photon and I rooted getting it ready for when more development comes as way of roms. She had 2.2 on hers and I asked when she updated it and she said she didn't. She got her phone last December so she had to update it to 2.3.3 right?
Anyways I heard sprint can rollback to 2.2 but they usually won't because they don't want people going back so they can root their phones.
I have a friend at Radioshack, do authorized retailers have the ability to rollback to 2.2?
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i tried to see if the sprint store here could roll mine back cause the tech person has a shift also and even she said they cant roll em back cause shes pissed she took the ota and got stuck on 2.3.3 too.
I Highly doubt ANYONE will get a perm root for 2.3.3 for sometime.... its already been out what a couple of weeks now. so im updating my phone because this gingerbread update is bugged like crazy... constant crashes after leaving every app. not receiving any calls or txts half the time, and WIFI is broken.
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I Highly doubt ANYONE will get a perm root for 2.3.3 for sometime.... its already been out what a couple of weeks now. so im updating my phone because this gingerbread update is bugged like crazy... constant crashes after leaving every app. not receiving any calls or txts half the time, and WIFI is broken.
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Revolutionary already said they are working on it on twitter, and update been out for couple weeks, WEEKS means not very long, give it time, it will happen.
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Revolutionary already said they are working on it on twitter, and update been out for couple weeks, WEEKS means not very long, give it time, it will happen.
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i know. but im going INSANE!!!! after ever damn app i close the white screen with the green HTC comes up for like 1 min. then the loading of the home screen. i see the damn thing at least 200 times a day. im already looking towards a new phone all together... dealing with that for a few weeks gets irritating extremely fast.
It is really annoying. I am just going to wait for root, put CM7 on it, and give it to my Mom or something...
I hate to see the root issue keep getting sugar coated by people that already have root, including me. Just to be brutally honest, its been 2 and a half months since the Shift was updated and I really haven't seen much evidence of any one working on root. I do remember one tweet from about month ago mentioning the Shift but beyond that its been pretty quiet. I'm not saying its never going to happen, and for all I know someone is working diligently behind the scenes, all I'm saying is don't get too high of hopes that its going to happen soon..... Hopefully I'm wrong though.
If people were paying for this I would see more of a reason for people to ask all the time. I know I am new to these forums but even I get annoyed with it. I want my Shift rooted just as much as the next guy. It's free, get over it.
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Im sure people would pay for it. People have offered to donate phones and such plus once a device is rooted developers can create root only apps.
Most of the devs do it for the challenge tho... Not everything is about money. That said im sure anyone that came out with a perm root would get donations for doing so.
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im giving it one more week from today. if not im sticking to the GB updates till they decide to catch up.
well hopefully all of you have learned from your mistakes and won't take a OTA update ever again if your phone is rooted
My photon is rooted. My girlfriend mistakenly hit ota update on her shift before I told her what rooting and custom rims do.
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My photon is rooted. My girlfriend mistakenly hit ota update on her shift before I told her what rooting and custom rims do.
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Yeah, my wife was a lil hesitant about custom rims too... ;-p
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fallnSaint said:
Yeah, my wife was a lil hesitant about custom rims too... ;-p
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I think all wives have an issue with custom rims lol
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Sensation 4G Bricked?

Hello, I have an issue where I need to send my HTC Sensation in for repair. However, I had to re initiate S-ON, upon doing so. When I went to reboot, I get a blank screen with nothing showing. I can not even get into HBOOT. I know that if I send this to HTC for repair they are going to see I had S-OFF on this phone, and clockwork recovery. So they are going to charge me for the repair.
Anyone out there have any ideas on how to avoid this at all?
Just to let you know I just seen there was another thread on this and went to T-Mobile and they are sending me out a replacement free of charge except the $5 handling fee. Which is nominal at this point, they even let me use a loaner phone. This might be another avenue that people might be able to persue rather than wait the 6-10 business days for HTC to get done with their phone.
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Just to let you know I just seen there was another thread on this and went to T-Mobile and they are sending me out a replacement free of charge except the $5 handling fee. Which is nominal at this point, they even let me use a loaner phone. This might be another avenue that people might be able to persue rather than wait the 6-10 business days for HTC to get done with their phone.
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Yup,they are a lot easier to deal with than HTC.I bricked mine on Christmas eve trying to flash an ICS firmware,contacted T-mo and got my replacement 2 days ago.
Got my new one a day later. Thank God that I had insurance on my phone so they replaced it. I told them that an OTA update must have corrupted the Android OS data.
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jamcomp said:
Hello, I have an issue where I need to send my HTC Sensation in for repair. However, I had to re initiate S-ON, upon doing so. When I went to reboot, I get a blank screen with nothing showing. I can not even get into HBOOT. I know that if I send this to HTC for repair they are going to see I had S-OFF on this phone, and clockwork recovery. So they are going to charge me for the repair.
Anyone out there have any ideas on how to avoid this at all?
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Did you flash the stock ROM before you put S-ON?
No I did not, that is the mistake that was made. Going to wit for the official launch of ICS before rooting my phone again so I don't have the same issue again.
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Poor HTC... It wasn't their fault...
Bricked
Same boat. ROM worked great... Now I'm bricked. Got my replacement today. Gonna wait a few days before sending bricked one to T Mo... Can they tell if I have S Off? Or do I hope for the best... Also in their terms and conditions they "conveniently" sent me it says " tampering or modifying your device is a violation that directly harms T-Mobile which cannot be fully redressed by money damages,and that T-Mobile shall be entitled to immediate injunctive relief in addition to all other remedies available." Should I be scared to send it back to them...? Lol
They don't mind. I had dust under screen and sent it back. I sent them it with miui lol. It came back still s offd but with the latest ota
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Replacement to mt4g by T-mobile?

Hey all,
I've been a long time lurker on these forums and I've noticed quite a few people upgrading to the Sensation. From what I can tell, there's a way to get a FREE Sensation by sending your mt4g to T-Mobile for repairs since HTC no longer makes the mt4g. Is this correct? I asked a T-mo customer service rep and she said it isn't true. Of course, she could have been told to tell customers that so we don't all suddenly break our phones and have a new more expensive phone given to us.
If this is true, how can I return a phone after I've rooted it? I've seen various guides on how to return to stock and put s-on back. Would this be enough to get passed the voided warranty issue of a rooted phone?
What if my mt4g is actually in 100% working condition? Is there a safe way to damage it just enough to warrant a replacement?
Thanks, all! Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
Becareful because sometimes they send you the Mytouch.. LG version
Yeah, I read about that too. I would tell them up front that I will not accept a downgrade but require a phone of equal or greater value. I'm used to crappy service from these big companies and have found that if you make a big deal out of something, they'll do anything they can to shut you up.
only a few lucky people have gotten the Sensation as a replacement... :/
it kinda depends on whether you get a good rep or not... if you get a bad one.. well good luck with that... lol
as far as bricking... i guess you could always flash a Radio or some system file not made for this device... but be careful with that
Thanks for the reply, S, but I never mentioned bricking in my post lol.
So it looks like the only two devices that are given as replacements are the Sensation and the LG mt4g, right?
Now to my final question; how do you purposely cause your phone to malfunction so T-mo will have to replace it while not voiding your warranty? My guess is to press one of the hardware keys hard enough so it gets stuck. Probably the track pad since I've read reports of people getting theirs stuck. Worst case scenario here is that your phone has no track pad, but who uses that on their mt4g anyway?
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Thanks for the reply, S, but I never mentioned bricking in my post lol.
So it looks like the only two devices that are given as replacements are the Sensation and the LG mt4g, right?
Now to my final question; how do you purposely cause your phone to malfunction so T-mo will have to replace it while not voiding your warranty? My guess is to press one of the hardware keys hard enough so it gets stuck. Probably the track pad since I've read reports of people getting theirs stuck. Worst case scenario here is that your phone has no track pad, but who uses that on their mt4g anyway?
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Uuuh, that's what saranhai was referring to. Reread his post.
be careful, I think in your situation it would be best to report it lost. Personally, my wife lost her phone and they were going to send us an LG phone, but I said no way. It is the MT4G or a better phone. I also told them that my contract is up in a few months and will leave if i get an LG. They said they will call me back today.
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Uuuh, that's what saranhai was referring to. Reread his post.
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He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
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be careful, I think in your situation it would be best to report it lost. Personally, my wife lost her phone and they were going to send us an LG phone, but I said no way. It is the MT4G or a better phone. I also told them that my contract is up in a few months and will leave if i get an LG. They said they will call me back today.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
Novarox said:
He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
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Yes $130. Oh, if it is a malfunction you do not pay right?
Novarox said:
He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
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Flashing a PD15IMG.zip from another device doesn't require root access...
Plus I turned in a dead phone that was rooted. They never found out or if they did... they didn't care.
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Lol. Assuming always gets me too.
Hypothetically, you could TRY getting, say, a radio from a different HTC device and renaming it PD15IMG.zip and placing it on the root of your sd card. Boot into bootloader and it will check for the file and ask if you want to flash it. Flashing the wrong radio will totally screw your phone over. No root needed. However, I can't condone insurance fraud. That's highly illegal
Id imagine they'd send you an HTC mytouch 4g seeing as it is still sold on there website so no use In destroying your phone unless you have a bad emmc/screen
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Unless they're in a good mood or something they'll send a sidekick 4G (A pink one at that) and I've gone as far as demanding to speak to a supervisor to no avail and then I see 3-4 guys getting sensations, ugh. Hahah but yes flashing a radio doesn't require root neither does pulling the battery a few times while doing that.
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This entire thread is an awful idea.
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This entire thread is an awful idea.
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You are correct, and this is the reason phones and plans cost so much! I'd the phone is fine then why duck it up and become a criminal because you want a new phone! I wish I knew your name and number so I could call and report you!
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I agree with you man.
Honestly, i don't understand why you want a new phone in the first place, the MT4G is a great phone and probably performs as well as the sensation anyway...
And Nic, you're right, they offered my a sidekick 4g and then they got upset that i didn't want a downgrade lol....
I have the bad emmc but good screen (which makes it all better)
I would like to see a "good " screen, because I've owned 4 "bad" ones, & they have all been brilliant. In fact, I can't see it getting any better...
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You are correct, and this is the reason phones and plans cost so much! I'd the phone is fine then why duck it up and become a criminal because you want a new phone! I wish I knew your name and number so I could call and report you!
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Am i?
I've never done this, and I had the same view as you expressed here. But after reading of so many people thinking of doing this, and no one expressly trying to stop this, I figured why not join the bandwagon.
If you can't beat em, join em, especially if there's no opposition. Anyway, relax. This was mostly theoretical and I've decided to wait on the HTC One for my upgrade. Or maybe even something even better that may or may not spring up by then.
I doubt they'll send you a sensation...
A couple of months ago I got a replacement phone sent because the proximity sensor on my old mt4g would cause the screen to go black during a call and I would not be able to get it to turn back on unless I turned the phone off. So I sent off my old phone and got a replacement mt4g.
I'm pretty sure they still have them in their warehouses.
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Am i?
I've never done this, and I had the same view as you expressed here. But after reading of so many people thinking of doing this, and no one expressly trying to stop this, I figured why not join the bandwagon.
If you can't beat em, join em, especially if there's no opposition. Anyway, relax. This was mostly theoretical and I've decided to wait on the HTC One for my upgrade. Or maybe even something even better that may or may not spring up by then.
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So because I live in an area where there are dope dealers I should sell dope too? I guess keeping good values when other dont is just too much for some people... I refuse to let myself be brought down to,that level. I find it more gratifying to work my ass off and save a little to get the thing I want/need, rather than lie cheat and steal! Its not a shot at you, but at all the people that have been doing it. As this make everything worse on all of us!
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