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The legendary Exynos (formerly Orion) we all read so much about a year and a half ago has been on store shelves for quite some time now. While SAMSUNG continues to develop the Exynos architecture - I don't see it catching on to other phones.
Plenty of phones sold by SAMSUNG don't even use the Exynos. It was even stripped from the T-Mobile version of the GS2...
So, is it a complete failure? Should we expect SAMSUNG to just stop development after the GS3 is released worldwide?
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The legendary Exynos (formerly Orion) we all read so much about a year and a half ago has been on store shelves for quite some time now. While SAMSUNG continues to develop the Exynos architecture - I don't see it catching on to other phones.
Plenty of phones sold by SAMSUNG don't even use the Exynos. It was even stripped from the T-Mobile version of the GS2...
So, is it a complete failure? Should we expect SAMSUNG to just stop development after the GS3 is released worldwide?
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Umm, how about no?
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I hope Samsung will continue to develop their architecture because from what I have seen, it is quite powerful. So do I think it was a complete failure? No.
The thing these days is that it is probably easier and cheaper for companies to just use each other's technology, like the Tegra or TI series, than invest in their own R&D. The majority of phone users are not power users and do not care about specs. If it works well then that is good enough. It is not about pushing boundaries for some.
Exynos is actually one of the best SoC's a phone can have (subject to debate). Samsung doesn't put Exynos in every phone because it's a high-end SoC, so they use it in high-end devices such as the Galaxy S line and the Galaxy Note. Apple's Ax processors are even based on Exynos.
The T-Mobile Galaxy S II, as well as all US Galaxy S III's, have Snapdragons because Exynos does not support LTE nor T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42 and 84 Mbps technology, which US carriers strive to make available to customers. Samsung is working on supporting LTE in future Exynos chips though!
As for other manufacturers not implementing Exynos, I'm just going to make an assumption that Samsung's competitors (Motorola, HTC, etc.) would rather use Nvidia, TI, or Qualcomm's chips instead since they don't sell phones.
So no, Exynos isn't a complete failure at all if you ask me!
But didn't anyone else think that they would be more common by now?
What does the wireless band have to do with SOC? Can't this SOC run any algorithms we want it to?
To me, that's like telling someone they need an AMD CPU to use DSL, and an Intel CPU if they want FiOS. Isn't it just a matter of writing a program to do something?
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But didn't anyone else think that they would be more common by now?
What does the wireless band have to do with SOC? Can't this SOC run any algorithms we want it to?
To me, that's like telling someone they need an AMD CPU to use DSL, and an Intel CPU if they want FiOS. Isn't it just a matter of writing a program to do something?
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Radio hardware consists of physical transistors. We're not quite at software-defined radio yet.
You DO need different hardware to run DSL vs fios. If Intel built DSL hardware onto its CPU, then you're starting to understand what a SoC is.
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Radio hardware consists of physical transistors. We're not quite at software-defined radio yet.
You DO need different hardware to run DSL vs fios. If Intel built DSL hardware onto its CPU, then you're starting to understand what a SoC is.
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Right. Computers aren't built with DSL/FIOS/VDSL/etc. modems in them. That's why we use a DSL modem box and connect to it via ethernet. However, the Exynos SoC has a modem integrated on to it that supports certain bands and technologies. The Snapdragon SoC found in the GS2 and US GS3s does not contain an integrated modem, so there is a modem chip separate on the motherboard that supports the carrier's bands and technologies.
There's a bit of a gray area with this though. Sprint's GS2 has a WiMax modem built onto it even though it still has an Exynos chip. Why we don't do that for LTE and T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42/84 is something I'd like to know lol.
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The legendary Exynos (formerly Orion) we all read so much about a year and a half ago has been on store shelves for quite some time now. While SAMSUNG continues to develop the Exynos architecture - I don't see it catching on to other phones.
Plenty of phones sold by SAMSUNG don't even use the Exynos. It was even stripped from the T-Mobile version of the GS2...
So, is it a complete failure? Should we expect SAMSUNG to just stop development after the GS3 is released worldwide?
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Wow. Short-sighted/simple-minded enough? :silly:
1) Exynos is not a failure. It's been shipped in literally millions of phones. In-house consumption alone probably makes it one of the most popular SoC's on the market right now.
2) Samsung is the world's largest manufacturer of phones. I doubt they even have the fabrication facilities to make enough Exynos chips to put in all the phones they make. Also remember that although Samsung Semiconductor and Samsung Mobile are both owned by Samsung Electronics, they don't always have completely overlapping goals or business interests. And Samsung Semiconductor is also busy making many other things... like the SoC for the iPhone 3G/3GS/4/4S. Or say the vast share of the world's NAND chips.
3) Samsung has a vested stake in not relying totally on another SoC manufacturer for all their phones. It allows them better leverage with other SoC companies, and prevents them from being "blackmailed" by any one company as a source of mobile CPUs. Even if they only shipped the Exynos in 5% of their devices, it would be enough to help leverage Texas Instruments, Qualcomm, etc.
4) While many of the U.S. variants of Samsung phones don't have the Exynos chip, that's mostly for technical reasons (lack of LTE support in the currently released chips), and probably also partially to increase total yield of produced phones. That's just the U.S. market. There is in fact a world outside the United States, with people, and people who buy phones.
So... long story short: The Exynos is not a failure. And I very much doubt Samsung will be dropping development anytime soon.
Moving this to a correct board (nothing to do with the AT&T SII)...
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Sprint's GS2 has a WiMax modem built onto it even though it still has an Exynos chip. Why we don't do that for LTE and T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42/84 is something I'd like to know lol.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. When something is missing you simply add it on, as with anything else in computing. I just hope this doesn't go the way of Glide from 3dfx.
Anyway, I'm more "put at ease" with the responses here. Thanks xda.
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But didn't anyone else think that they would be more common by now?
What does the wireless band have to do with SOC? Can't this SOC run any algorithms we want it to?
To me, that's like telling someone they need an AMD CPU to use DSL, and an Intel CPU if they want FiOS. Isn't it just a matter of writing a program to do something?
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OK here's my understanding. First all quad core processors are having issues with lte. Second SoC stands for system on a chip. Its how cell phones are so small and thin. But for some reason they are not playing nice to gether. Now Samsung was able to release a variant of sgsiii with its quad core and lte in korea because they kept them separate. But because of this the phone is a little bit thicker then usual.
So they did treat it like a PC and added it like a pci card for desktops. If that helps you understand.
The overall goal is to get it all on one chip. That way it eats up less power and slims down your phone but it is not yet possible. It is being looked into.
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Exynos is actually one of the best SoC's a phone can have (subject to debate). Samsung doesn't put Exynos in every phone because it's a high-end SoC, so they use it in high-end devices such as the Galaxy S line and the Galaxy Note. Apple's Ax processors are even based on Exynos.
The T-Mobile Galaxy S II, as well as all US Galaxy S III's, have Snapdragons because Exynos does not support LTE nor T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42 and 84 Mbps technology, which US carriers strive to make available to customers. Samsung is working on supporting LTE in future Exynos chips though!
As for other manufacturers not implementing Exynos, I'm just going to make an assumption that Samsung's competitors (Motorola, HTC, etc.) would rather use Nvidia, TI, or Qualcomm's chips instead since they don't sell phones.
So no, Exynos isn't a complete failure at all if you ask me!
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That's not true any more seeing as the Korean GSIII will have a quad core Exynos and LTE.
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That's not true any more seeing as the Korean GSIII will have a quad core Exynos and LTE.
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It was true until Samsung produced their new chip within the past month. A quad core exynos with LTE capabilities.
So, his statement as to why t-mobile didn't use the exynos in the GSII and GSIII is 100% correct.
As I understand more, I have more concerns. Let me just say, I know what a SOC is. I'm not that much of a newbie.
I must wonder why the Exynos couldn't handle the T-Mobile HSPA+ network... It's just not that special. It's just 3G on steroids, and from what I see in the real world benchmarks, it is only a hair faster than AT&T's inferior on paper HSPA+ network. I realize it is a technical limitation (by design?), but wonder why SAMSUNG wasn't able (willing?) to design the Exynos SOC to accept it without a magic modem.
I also wonder how serious SAMSUNG is about Exynos if they're ignoring T-Mobile (shipping their flagship phone with an inferior SOC), and completley ignoring LTE up to only recently in one device that will only sell in one market. If SAMSUNG is serious about Exynos, I would think they woulod at least make it available in every market, accepting every type of radio. Traditional 3G, Wimax (we still have a huge Wimax network in the states that isn't going anywhere soon), LTE, and HSPA+. Does any other SOC standard have radio limitations?
I do not expect SAMSUNG to bundle a seperate modem outside the SOC in every market. In fact, I would think they would only do that in Korea and Japan, where they will likely sell more Exynos devices.
I have one more huge concern then. The GS2 i777 was phased out of most AT&T stores (corporate and otherwise) within 2 months of its release in favor of the GS2 "Skyrocket" with its far inferior SOC. Didn't that thing ship with a SOC based on the Cortex A8? Not even an A9?
It almost seems like my carrier did not want me to have a Galaxy S2 (with an Exynos, anyway). I bought mine on clearance at Best Buy... for $50. Within a month of its release, best buy was selling it for just $50 with a contract renewal - down from $200 just a month sooner? I think they wanted to get ride of the GS2 asap so they could order more Skyrockets.
I just don't think companies are taking Exynos seriously in the USA. Ignoring T-Mobile, ignoring Verizon. The only thing they have done right?? Sprint. Adding the Wimax modem without adding bulk to the phone was a brilliant move. That's how they're gonna sell this thing.
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I have one more huge concern then. The GS2 i777 was phased out of most AT&T stores (corporate and otherwise) within 2 months of its release in favor of the GS2 "Skyrocket" with its far inferior SOC. Didn't that thing ship with a SOC based on the Cortex A8? Not even an A9?
It almost seems like my carrier did not want me to have a Galaxy S2. I bought mine on clearance at Best Buy... for $50. Within a month of its release, best buy was selling it for just $50 with a contract renewal - down from $200 just a month sooner? I think they wanted to get ride of the GS2 asap so they could order more Skyrockets.
I just don't think companies are taking Exynos seriously in the USA. I'm just glad I own one.
Does anyone know if OMAP's are cheaper to produce? It seems to me that there are far more OMAP devices than anything else out there.
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When it comes to the carrier they don't care about the hardware, because 99% of the consumers have no clue what exynos, snapdragon or tegra mean. What the normal consumer can comprehend is "Hey, this skyrocket has faster internet". So, LTE has become the selling factor.
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When it comes to the carrier they don't care about the hardware, because 99% of the consumers have no clue what exynos, snapdragon or tegra mean. What the normal consumer can comprehend is "Hey, this skyrocket has faster internet". So, LTE has become the selling factor.
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Fair enough, I agree with you. But why clearance the GS2? My market has no LTE, and probably won't for years to come.
My post above this has been edited quite a bit... in case you want to give it a second read... it's entirely related to the subject matter here.
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Fair enough, I agree with you. But why clearance the GS2? My market has no LTE, and probably won't for years to come.
My post above this has been edited quite a bit... in case you want to give it a second read... it's entirely related to the subject matter here.
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Yup, but the previous generation exynos processors were not compatible with the AWS frequencies which T-mobile uses. That is why there has never been a T-mobile phone with an exynos. The Skyrocket and the T-mobile GS2 were in production at the same time, so it just seemed right to make 2 of the same exact phone (radios can be flashed on both to work on either network) to save money. Then, AT&T (through the eyes of the average consumer) had a GSII that gets slow internet, and a GSII that gets fast internet. They had to phase one out...it just happened to be the I777. It really makes sense from a business stand point, considering chips are so good these days that one can hardly tell a difference between a snapdragon or an exynos, or even quad core from dual core.
Can someone please give me help on making my mind up.
Right now I'm using Desire S.
I'm a fan of HTC and on the way for a change.
The One Series comes in 3 handsets
One X
One S
One V
If you have the choice I'd go for the One S, Its a better phone with better processing power than the One V - And in benchmarks the One S even defeats the One X !!
Thats not to say the One V is a bad phone, But obviously with choice, you choose the 'better' one
I wouldn't choose the v. It is a VERY small upgrade from your current phone
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Like Habarug said, the V is just not too much of an upgrade. If you dont want the S or X, then hang on to your Desire for a while.
Between the S and the X, one is not objectively better or worse than the other.
The X is bigger, has a 720HD lcd screen, has more storage.
The S is smaller (and fits better in your hand), has a qHD amoled screen, looks and feels more premium.
Go to a shop and hold them side by side.
Overall performance and feature wise you won't be disappointed with either one.
-Jobo
Yeah I agree the S is better to hold,
I've been reading few posts above n ppl talking abt batt issues. What's with that?
Is it cause the 1.7 GHz is draining more than One X ?
santoshrane said:
Yeah I agree the S is better to hold,
I've been reading few posts above n ppl talking abt batt issues. What's with that?
Is it cause the 1.7 GHz is draining more than One X ?
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I don't know where you're from but in much of the world there are two versions of the One S, popularly referred to as the S3 (1.7GHz) and S4 (1.5GHz) versions based on the Snapdragon branding of the processor. The S4 is far more desirable in all ways if you can get it where you live.
Also the One X is available with different processors depending on where you live. The One S is my pick and a nice piece of kit, try to get the S4 version, there are threads here detailing the differences and which custom ROMs are available for each device.
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Yeah I agree the S is better to hold,
I've been reading few posts above n ppl talking abt batt issues. What's with that?
Is it cause the 1.7 GHz is draining more than One X ?
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Hi,
If I guess correctly, you are from India like me. In India, only the S3 1.7ghz version of one s is being sold, which definately have some battery issues due to older generation processor overclocked.
I'd recommend that if you can get someone to buy the handset from UK or other EU countries where primarily the S4 version is sold (be sure to check version no etc first) that would be better. I got mine from UK few days back and its an S4 version.I'd nt recommend the One S version available in Indian retail store because there is a vast difference between performance and battery life between S3 and S4 versions which cannot be overlooked.
Hope this helps !!!
Thanx dev. I should be in UK next week. So I'm looking for S4 then. I checked in HK and they have S3-1.7 GHz.
What's with One X ? Are there any variants to look for?
Htc one x international and Uk version although comes with a quad core tegra processor there are couple of issues like overheating and wifi which make it less user-friendly for common user, also consider the large size due to bigger screen.
If u use cdma then US sprint network's htc evo 4g lte is the best smartphone in the world right now (yes better than galaxy s3). however for gsm i guess One S would be the better bet considering its premium design and comfortable size.
PS: try to get the black coloured one s. Its the only one which is made using famous micro-arc oxidation method making it super strong.
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agree with azzledazzle ... htc one S is better than one V as the stats differ a lot ...and if ur indian ..if my guess is ryt then better dont go for either HTC one S or X coz they get the obsolete S3 processors which are overclocked and given..my friend has a htc one X he got Overheating probs and the back cover is slightly bulged ... even m using one S but got the T-Mobile one with S4..its way better and no overheating too !!
I'd get the One X if I was you, its really not to hard to hold in one hand, its perfectly fluid and smooth... The screen looks amazing and running CM10 my phone has hardly got warm (Except intensive games such as Asphalt 7) which is to be expected. I've had no build defects or issues. The best reason for me though is how much nicer it looks over the One S (This of course is my subjective opinion) Oh and the ROM development is great!
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Are there processor and performance difference on One X n XL ? I like the One X too, just taking a week more to finalize between S n X
santoshrane said:
Are there processor and performance difference on One X n XL ? I like the One X too, just taking a week more to finalize between S n X
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XL is the US version for CDMA and X is the GSM version. XL has the dual core S4 processor which is the same what is on the One S as well. X has quad core Tegra 3 processor. What comes to performance, they are pretty equal so doesn't really matter that much which one you take.
Thanx ppl finally bought a One X. It's big but its nice, after a week or so will go to cfw
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XL is the US version for CDMA and X is the GSM version. XL has the dual core S4 processor which is the same what is on the One S as well. X has quad core Tegra 3 processor. What comes to performance, they are pretty equal so doesn't really matter that much which one you take.
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Errrr. No
One XL is the lte capable version of the One X. The main difference is the processor, it has the dual core S4. The North American carriers (At&t, Rogers, and Telus) market it as the One X to confuse things. All of these carriers have 16gb of storage, like the One S. The Aussie and German versions have 32 gb like the tegra 3 powered version. ALL are gsm/hspa/lte carriers. The only cdma carrier (Sprint) has a new evo, based loosely on the One X but with an S4 processor, and removable battery and expandable sd storage.
Once again, the XL IS NOT a cdma variant, that is the evo series for Sprint only.
Basically:
One X, quad core tegra 3, 32gb storage
One XL, dual core snapdragon S4, with lte, marketed in the U.S. and Canada as the One X!!!!!! 16 or 32gb storage depending on where you live
To confuse things more, Verizon is rumered to release a "One X+" gsm/hspa+ (no lte) quad core tegra 3 clocked at 1.7ghz.
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Paqu1 said:
XL is the US version for CDMA and X is the GSM version. XL has the dual core S4 processor which is the same what is on the One S as well. X has quad core Tegra 3 processor. What comes to performance, they are pretty equal so doesn't really matter that much which one you take.
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Err, no
One XL is the lte capable version, with the dual core S4 as you said. It is marketed as the One X in the U.S. and Canada by at&t, Rogers, and Telus. These carriers only offer a 16gb version. They are all gsm/hspa/lte carriers. Telstra (Australia) and Germany (can't remember the carrier) have a One XL (S4 processor, gsm/hspa/lte) but with 32gb like the One X. Other regions with lte offer the One XL also, but with only 16gb storage like the NAM version.
The One X, is as you said, quad core tegra 3, 32gb storage
The cdma version is offered by Sprint as the Evo series. The latest has the S3 processor, shares the image sense camera, but offers a removable battery and sd card storge.
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Errrr. No
One XL is the lte capable version of the One X. The main difference is the processor, it has the dual core S4. The North American carriers (At&t, Rogers, and Telus) market it as the One X to confuse things. All of these carriers have 16gb of storage, like the One S. The Aussie and German versions have 32 gb like the tegra 3 powered version. ALL are gsm/hspa/lte carriers. The only cdma carrier (Sprint) has a new evo, based loosely on the One X but with an S4 processor, and removable battery and expandable sd storage.
Once again, the XL IS NOT a cdma variant, that is the evo series for Sprint only.
Basically:
One X, quad core tegra 3, 32gb storage
One XL, dual core snapdragon S4, with lte, marketed in the U.S. and Canada as the One X!!!!!! 16 or 32gb storage depending on where you live
To confuse things more, Verizon is rumered to release a "One X+" gsm/hspa+ (no lte) quad core tegra 3 clocked at 1.7ghz.
Cheers everyone,
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Roger that, damn. I thought I had it all figured out how the models were. That sure is confusing.
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I just have one question for you: why is the HOX w S4 chips are significantly more expensive than the quad core version, given that they're both imported?
Thanks.
I bought mine outright with Telstra and it was $749 AUD - not that much more than the Quad core version at the time.
More likely that as our S4 One XL is for Telstra's 4G LTE network with 32gig of storage its a little unique therefore more expensive.
To be honest though there really isn't an issue with price when IMO I have a better device on a better network than the other carrier offerings over here!!
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Newer CPU tech, larger storage and LTE connectivity = more expensive.
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I bought mine outright with Telstra and it was $749 AUD - not that much more than the Quad core version at the time.
More likely that as our S4 One XL is for Telstra's 4G LTE network with 32gig of storage its a little unique therefore more expensive.
To be honest though there really isn't an issue with price when IMO I have a better device on a better network than the other carrier offerings over here!!
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Newer CPU tech, larger storage and LTE connectivity = more expensive.
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What they said ^^
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I just have one question for you: why is the HOX w S4 chips are significantly more expensive than the quad core version, given that they're both imported?
Thanks.
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The S4 chip is on the new 28nm process at TSMC, where literally every single chip coming off the line is spoken for. The quad Tegra 3 is based off of the 40nm process, which is basically cheap and easy to work with by now.
I'm looking to buy one to use on T-Mobile prepaid network, since they seem to offer the most data (5gb for $30), which models would fully work on T-Mobile? I know at&t is lte, but T-Mobile is starting an lte thing, so that would be cool. Which can I get without unlocking, if any? And if I have to unlock, is that something I can do myself? I have a decent amount of experience rooting, but this is different. Thank you.
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deadlocked007 said:
Buy a nexus 4 and then you don't have to choose
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I'm sure a lot of people (including myself) would buy a Nexus 4 if the Play Store wasn't sold out all the time
@OP, I personally have never used LTE, but I can't imagine that it's significantly faster in real-world usage than HSPA+. IMO, you should go for an international SGS3 (assuming they work on T-MO US) and live without that ridiculous carrier branding you Americans are used to .
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I'm looking to buy one to use on T-Mobile prepaid network, since they seem to offer the most data (5gb for $30), which models would fully work on T-Mobile? I know at&t is lte, but T-Mobile is starting an lte thing, so that would be cool. Which can I get without unlocking, if any? And if I have to unlock, is that something I can do myself? I have a decent amount of experience rooting, but this is different. Thank you.
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You would need one specifically for T-Mobile's LTE network. If you want to buy a T-Mobile LTE-capable phone NOW, you should get the Note 2, which has an LTE chip/antenna inside that is disabled for now. Just like 3G frequencies differ across carriers, so do LTE frequencies. No existing LTE devices on other carriers will work on T-Mobile's LTE. I believe they're looking to replace their 1700 MHz HSPA+ with LTE but I could be wrong.
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I believe they're looking to replace their 1700 MHz HSPA+ with LTE but I could be wrong.
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I don't think so. That's crazy.
The nexus 4, gs3 and gnote II on tmobile all have deactivated band 4 lte chips so when tmobile gets it those phones will have access to it. I suggest you get the tmobile gs3 because the s4 is faster than the exynos 4 and the extra gig of ram makes a difference.
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The nexus 4, gs3 and gnote II on tmobile all have deactivated band 4 lte chips so when tmobile gets it those phones will have access to it. I suggest you get the tmobile gs3 because the s4 is faster than the exynos 4 and the extra gig of ram makes a difference.
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You're wrong on all accounts:
1. The Nexus 4 has slight LTE capabilities on one or two bands, which are used by AT&T, and they're weak because there's no power amp for the antenna. It happens to be left over from the Optimus G because they share the same motherboard, but it was cheaper to leave it on then to make a totally separate assembly line. There is no T-Mobile LTE compatibility in the Nexus 4.
2. The Galaxy S3 on T-Mobile doesn't have LTE. T-Mobile themselves said that they're releasing a new version of the Galaxy S3 with LTE for their network. The Note 2 HOWEVER, has been proven to have an LTE chip hidden inside.
3. The Snapdragon S4 is not faster than the Exynos 4. I have the i9300, I can tell you this from experience. You can also look up benchmarks online. The GPU in the Snapdragon S4 is junk for gaming, and the processor itself is not faster overall than the S4. It's not all about "Oh the Gigahertz are more on the S4." That's why so many people were disappointed the US version had an inferior processor. Also, the 2GB of RAM doesn't do anything for performance. It's just future-proofing.
Do your research.
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3. The Snapdragon S4 is not faster than the Exynos 4. I have the i9300, I can tell you this from experience. You can also look up benchmarks online. The GPU in the Snapdragon S4 is junk for gaming, and the processor itself is not faster overall than the S4. It's not all about "Oh the Gigahertz are more on the S4." That's why so many people were disappointed the US version had an inferior processor. Also, the 2GB of RAM doesn't do anything for performance. It's just future-proofing.
Do your research.
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Just because the s4 is slower on games ( benchmarks are pointless) doesn't mean its worse. Some will not use the exyons at all anymore so there are benifits to using the snapdragon like more developer support
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zelendel said:
Just because the s4 is slower on games ( benchmarks are pointless) doesn't mean its worse. Some will not use the exyons at all anymore so there are benifits to using the snapdragon like more developer support
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Indeed, I stick away from exynos (and tegra) because of the lack of developer cooperation from them.
And even though the T-Mobile s3 has an inferior processor on paper, (2 vs 4 cores) remember that it is based loosely on the A15 architecture, which is claimed by ARM to be double the performance of the A9 architecture which is in the exynos 4.
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zelendel said:
Just because the s4 is slower on games ( benchmarks are pointless) doesn't mean its worse. Some will not use the exyons at all anymore so there are benifits to using the snapdragon like more developer support
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klin1344 said:
Indeed, I stick away from exynos (and tegra) because of the lack of developer cooperation from them.
And even though the T-Mobile s3 has an inferior processor on paper, (2 vs 4 cores) remember that it is based loosely on the A15 architecture, which is claimed by ARM to be double the performance of the A9 architecture which is in the exynos 4.
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I never said it was worse. I just said it's not faster. Also to add on yo what you said, the S4 has better battery efficiency. It really depends on what you're looking for.
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Thanks for the info guys. So....my question. Will all of the s3's work on T-Mobile hspa+ without being unlocked or?
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P.s. I find a nexus 4 8gb, brand new on Craigslist, but I have to pay $49 to sign on to solavei wireless (uses T-Mobile) should I just get that, pay the month they make me pay up front, then just switch in a T-Mobile card? Solavei is prepaid, so I'm not worried about black listing.
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Nickdroid86 said:
Thanks for the info guys. So....my question. Will all of the s3's work on T-Mobile hspa+ without being unlocked or?
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Like said MOST OF THEM WILL NOT. Google first, ask later. The s3's from other networks will not work with the 4g/hspa network because they do not have the antenna for the aws spectrum we use.
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Nickdroid86 said:
Thanks for the info guys. So....my question. Will all of the s3's work on T-Mobile hspa+ without being unlocked or?
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No. Only the T-Mobile one will work because it's the only one that supports 1700 MHz (AWS). Most international phones don't support 1700 MHz (T-Mobile is 1700 MHz/2100 MHz), but will work on AT&T's bands (850/1900 MHz). However T-Mobile has been very slowly moving over to the same bands as AT&T, so soon you'll be able to use any AT&T compatible phone on T-Mobile.
I'm probably best off buying the nexus 4
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I would go with a samsung processor because games are not the only thing people do on the phone. Soon emulators for various desktop OS will be available on the phone and their will be a phone OS race. So because masses have exynos. Devs will be forced to work things on exynos and plus exynos is good in data rendering and executing. Plus encrypting your work is really fast on exynos even better than intel processors.
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qazibasit said:
I would go with a samsung processor because games are not the only thing people do on the phone. Soon emulators for various desktop OS will be available on the phone and their will be a phone OS race. So because masses have exynos. Devs will be forced to work things on exynos
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See this is where the problem lies. Devs cant work on something without the proper documentation (Which Samsung refuses to release, even after they stated they would.) This is why alot of the CM team has already stated they will not get another samsung device or any device that has this chip in it.
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See this is where the problem lies. Devs cant work on something without the proper documentation (Which Samsung refuses to release, even after they stated they would.) This is why alot of the CM team has already stated they will not get another samsung device or any device that has this chip in it.
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Yeah, I have the i9300 and that's the only thing that erks me. We have the more powerful phone, we can modify Samsung ROMs, but we pretty much have (actually stable) nightlies for AOSP/AOKP based ROMs. I would have gone with a US carrier S3 if it wasn't for the S4 Dual. I game heavily (GTA 3/VC, Dead Trigger, NFS:MW, MC4, etc), so I rely on the fastest processor out there. The S4 Dual is capable as a CPU, but the Adreno GPU that comes with it is meh. The 2GB of RAM is just futureproofing and doesn't affect performance. If the US S3's had the S4 Pro (Quad), I'd have bought one. The Note 2 seems enticing but I think it's too big for me.
I bought two virtually unused Samsung Galaxy Tab 2s (10.1") on Craig's List at a very good price: one wifi-only model (GT-P5113) and one AT&T 4G model (SGH-I497). One is for me and the other is for my brother, who'll be visiting me from the Netherlands next week. I haven't decided yet which one will be mine.
I'm inclined to give the wifi-only model to my brother and keep the AT&T model myself. Even though I'm not planning to use the 4G capability at this point, it's a nice option to have. Plus, I'm not sure if my brother would be able to use that at all back in the Netherlands.
The main factor for me to choose one over the other is simple performance: which one is faster? The tablets have mostly identical hardware, but there's one big difference: they use different CPUs. If I'm not mistaken, the wifi-only model (GT-P5113) has a 1 GHz, dual-core Texas Instruments ARM Cortex-A9 CPU, whereas the AT&T model (SGH-I497) uses a 1.5 GHz, dual-core Qualcomm "Krait" Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960) CPU. Is there a noticeable difference in performance between these two tablets in everyday use? I'm not a gamer at all and will be using the tablet mostly for everyday browsing, e-mail, and watching videos, both streaming and on the device itself. It's worth noting that I'll probably root the tablet, but I have no plans to install a custom ROM. (It seems there's much more dev activity for the P5113 than the I497.) Is there a Cyanogenmod 10.x version that works with the I497?
One potential downside of the AT&T model is that it's running Android 4.1.2, whereas the wifi-only model is now on 4.2.2. Would you consider that a problem? Of course AT&T could eventually release an update to 4.2.2, but who know when that'll be...
My question to all of you: which one would you keep for yourself: the wifi-only model (GT-P5113) or the AT&T 4G model (SGH-I497)? And why?
Thanks!
--Ron
For those who are interested, I did some direct benchmarking on the wifi (GT-P5113) and AT&T (SGH-I497) versions. I ran AnTuTu and Quadrant Standard on the tablets in their factory-reset state (after installing the benchmark apps from Google Play, of course). These are the results:
Wifi (GT-P5113):
Android 4.2.2
CPU: TI OMAP 4460
Graphics: PowerVR SGX 540
AnTuTu: 8,883
Quadrant: 3,126 (CPU: 4,633; Mem: 2,765; I/O: 6,399; 2D: 251; 3D: 1,580)
AT&T (SGH-I497):
Android 4.1.2
CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8260A
Graphics: Adreno 225
AnTuTu: 16,102
Quadrant: 5,616 (CPU: 8,877; Mem: 9,583; I/O: 6,425; 2D: 1,014; 3D: 2,180
The AT&T version is the clear winner. That's the one I'll keep, and my brother will get the wifi-only version. It's slower, but at $120 not a bad deal at all.
--Ron
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For those who are interested, I did some direct benchmarking on the wifi (GT-P5113) and AT&T (SGH-I407) versions. I ran AnTuTu and Quadrant Standard on the tablets in their factory-reset state (after installing the benchmark apps from Google Play, of course). These are the results:
Wifi (GT-P5113):
Android 4.2.2
CPU: TI OMAP 4460
Graphics: PowerVR SGX 540
AnTuTu: 8,883
Quadrant: 3,126 (CPU: 4,633; Mem: 2,765; I/O: 6,399; 2D: 251; 3D: 1,580)
AT&T (SGH-I497):
Android 4.1.2
CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8260A
Graphics: Adreno 225
AnTuTu: 16,102
Quadrant: 5,616 (CPU: 8,877; Mem: 9,583; I/O: 6,425; 2D: 1,014; 3D: 2,180
The AT&T version is the clear winner. That's the one I'll keep, and my brother will get the wifi-only version. It's slower, but at $120 not a bad deal at all.
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The specs on the AT&T one are a bit better than the Wi-Fi one, keep the AT&T one. What carrier does your brother use in the Netherlands anyway? KPN ? T-Mobile? Dutch in Seattle? I'm Dutch in Minnesota
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The specs on the AT&T one are a bit better than the Wi-Fi one, keep the AT&T one. What carrier does your brother use in the Netherlands anyway? KPN ? T-Mobile? Dutch in Seattle? I'm Dutch in Minnesota
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He could use the tmobile service on the att model. Thats what I did. I unlocked the sim and now I use tmobile unlimeted for 30$ a month, including lte.
Tab 2 10.1 4g 4.2.2 update?
can anyone help me figure out why the AT&T 4G SGH 1497 (Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10 .1 inch) did not get the Android 4.2.2 update? after I updated the last Update wifi won't work when bluetooth is connected and I cannot find a fix for this other than updating to 4.2.2...
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can anyone help me figure out why the AT&T 4G SGH 1497 (Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10 .1 inch) did not get the Android 4.2.2 update? after I updated the last Update wifi won't work when bluetooth is connected and I cannot find a fix for this other than updating to 4.2.2...
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That is completely up to AT&T. They decide if and when their devices will be updated to a newer Android version.
By the way, I don't believe I'm seeing the issue you're experiencing. I'll check.
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That is completely up to AT&T. They decide if and when their devices will be updated to a newer Android version.
By the way, I don't believe I'm seeing the issue you're experiencing. I'll check.
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I have a bluetooth keyboard that is also a metal cover/case and before the last update wifi and bluetooth was good together. now when I connect the Bluetooth keyboard wifi will stay on for a little bit then it will die and look like it searching for a wifi signal if I try to reconnect wifi it just doesn't connect to any wifi anywhere?
Total newbie here. I've been watching several samsung auctions & i had this same question! Glad I stumbled on this thread when I googled it. Can I ask how you are enjoying your i497 model? I too only need it for emails, browsing web, netflix.
Also, what's a good cheap price for these? Is $170 range good for a used one via auction?
Thanks for any help..
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He could use the tmobile service on the att model. Thats what I did. I unlocked the sim and now I use tmobile unlimeted for 30$ a month, including lte.
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May you point me in the right direction as to where you got your unlock code? I just acquired the I497, but would like to use my T-Mobile Sim. Glad to hear that the T-Mobile LTE works on the ATT Model. Also did you have to downgrade the kernel or firmware to make use of the code? Mine is currently on 4.1.2, thought I read somewhere that it is unlockable with that version.
I have i497 and like it but there are not any devs building Roms for it
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James62370 said:
May you point me in the right direction as to where you got your unlock code? I just acquired the I497, but would like to use my T-Mobile Sim. Glad to hear that the T-Mobile LTE works on the ATT Model. Also did you have to downgrade the kernel or firmware to make use of the code? Mine is currently on 4.1.2, thought I read somewhere that it is unlockable with that version.
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I was able to unlock mine to Tmobile using RegionLock Away off play store. Cost around 3.00 but well worth it and easy
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I was able to unlock mine to Tmobile using RegionLock Away off play store. Cost around 3.00 but well worth it and easy
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Thanks again for this info, it worked great. Have you tried loading the official T-Mobile Rom with your SGH-I497?
Unfortunately I can't seem to find much support for this tablet. Even when I installed recovery, it doesn't seem to see my external sd card. Might be because it's 64GB formated (FAT32), will try a 32GB and see if I can backup to it.
I am currently searching for a ROM which is quicker than AT&T's current Jellybean. Will try to remove some bloatware to see if it helps.
Does the GT-P5133 (I believe this is the international variant) work with this tablet with working data access?
Anyway, I appreciate the help.
WIFI + Bluetooth keyboard
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I have a bluetooth keyboard that is also a metal cover/case and before the last update wifi and bluetooth was good together. now when I connect the Bluetooth keyboard wifi will stay on for a little bit then it will die and look like it searching for a wifi signal if I try to reconnect wifi it just doesn't connect to any wifi anywhere?
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Ihave pretty much the same keyboard, I also had another sold by ATT and had the same issue. Did you find a solution?