I just received a notification that the 3.2 OTA update is available and am unsure whether its safe to do it. Im rooted and running the tiamat kernel. Is it safe or will it brick.
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Dude your probably going to get slaughtered about this being in the wrong section but it is up to you to accept just know that at best you will just lose root, on the other end you could end up with a install abort and have to go back to a nandroid back up that you hopefully have already.
Wrong section. Moved to Q&A.
Ordinarilly I would have deleted the thread, but since this is a question that many will ask: You should not attempt to install the OTA. It will most likely not even run because it presumably requires the stock recovery partition and runs system file checks.
Take a look at this thread if you're on a US WiFi-only model to get started.
I have been seeing MANY threads lately involving questions such as, "How do I get on ICS?", "Should I update to ICS?", "I think I am bricked, how can I fix this?", and "How do I FXZ back to GB?" So I am creating this thread as an information only thread to answer these questions and more with links to proper threads that have already been posted for your benefit. Unless otherwise noted by the OP's or myself the following threads apply to the AT&T MB865. So without further ado....
What you need to know about ICS and your Atrix 2
The first link you need to look at is the Noob thread. I am going to be using terms like "Bootloader", "Soft-Brick", "Hard-Brick", "FXZ", "Fastboot", "OTA", and the like and user/developer JRW28 has posted a FANTASTIC thread to help you familiarize yourself with certain Android terminologies and certain HOWTO's that will help you understand and accomplish much of what I am going to be referring to. So with the Atrix 2, if you are confused with something. START WITH THE NOOB THREAD. Find it here: JRW28's NOOB Thread
Done? Well read it AGAIN.
Oh, what's that? You read it twice and memorized it? Okay, moving on....
The first question that needs to be answered is:
SHOULD I UPDATE TO ICS?
Well, we have all been waiting for ICS to come out, and it has officially been running on the Atrix 2 for a while via a find through Cheesecake. The initial leak is NOT the final OTA that is still trickling out. You need to first understand that. Is ICS better than GB? Of course it is. No one will argue that here, but what we are tackling is, should you upgrade to it?
When it comes to XDA, we are always looking for ways to improve our phones. That's why we're all here right? This is a DEVELOPERS site. With developing comes trials, and with trials comes ERRORS. Now when it comes to the Atrix 2 (A2 from here on) we have a locked bootloader. This means that recovering from developing, and/or modding errors is not as easy as recovering from errors and mistakes with phones that have unlocked bootloaders. Normally, on phones with unlocked bootloaders, it is easy enough to jump into Clockwork Recovery and restore a previously saved nandroid backup, because with unlocked phones the modified recovery REPLACES the original. Poof. Back to normal.
On locked down phones such as the A2, we have to depend on either a bootstrap recovery or the like to make up for the lack of our locked phones. Do we have recoveries? Sure, but they DO NOT replace the original stock recovery and therefore we depend on things such as Bootmenu and Safestrap to makeup for this. While this works it is definitely not ideal. So what happens when the recovery get's borked, ROM goes belly up, or your phone is stuck at the splash screen and won't boot into recovery?
Well this is where the ICS upgrade question comes into play. This phones DEPENDS on FXZ's (see noob thread for more info). If the above scenario(s) happen then we depend on being able to jump into Fastboot (FB from here on) and reflash our phone back to stock. With Gingerbread this was easy enough as we had an FXZ for GB.
With ICS, ONLY THE FIRST LEAK IS ABLE TO REFLASH BACK TO GB! WE HAVE NO WAY TO REFLASH BACK TO GB WITH THE LATEST LEAKS AND THE SOON TO BE OTA UPDATE!!!!!!
Only when we find an ICS FXZ will this be possible!
Now I can hear it now. Some might say at this point, "Well once I'm on ICS, I won't want to go back to Gingerbread." The point, my friend, is not WANTING to go back to GB, it is needing a way to fix your phone. I myself have a paperweight for an A2 for EXACTLY this reason. I was running the latest of the leaks (NOT the first, which we can go back with). I had made a couple of mods, as bootmenu was working for it, and I made a backup. Well, I flashed a mod, rebooted and BOOM. Bootloop. No biggie, I thought, I will just restore my backup. But apparently I had deleted my backup. I tried, with the help of Devs (whom will be named later) to FXZ back and quickly found that this was impossible to do at this point. Now I have a phone that is able to boot in FB, with no way of restoring it. Fastboot does us no good without a proper working FXZ to flash.
So upgrading to ICS at this point, is fine, but be warned, if you make just the littlest boo boo, you might have a paperweight on your hands. Myself, many of the other Senior Members, and many of the A2 developers are recommending to run the first leak, because it is the most stable and dependable as far as getting yourself out of a jam. Also, many of the the more stable leaks have been baked into the current ICS ROMS we have. Now once you are on the first leak, you will have no problems flashing these ROMS with the more stable versions on them, but you MUST be on the first leak beforehand!!!!! As always read carefully the install instructions from the developer and if you're unsure, ask a question in the ROM's thread before flashing!!!!
UDPATE 9/20/12 It seems as though Moto and AT&T are now releasing OTA updates to our leak! Remember the reasons as to why we are advising against them! IF YOU GET A MESSAGE TO UPDATE WHILE ON THE FIRST LEAK, COMPARE THE FIRMWARE INFO WITH THOSE LISTED IN THE THREAD BELOW BEFORE UPDATING!!!!!
THREAD WITH INFO ON OTHER ICS LEAKS AND WHY WE ARE ADVISING AGAINST THEM AT THIS POINT. Originally posted by alteredlikeness
The rest of this will mainly be references to threads as most questions have already been answered in other threads as I just felt we needed a place to consolidate all the info out there on this. Here goes...
In the following theads, PLEASE thank the OP's!
HOW DO I UPDATE TO ICS?
Other than the OTA method that has been trickling out at this point, I am ONLY going to refer you to the thread to get you onto the initial leak. Because at this point many of us see this is as the safest leak. As you have a way out. Because we want to do what is best for you and YOUR phone.
NOTE: The rest of these threads (unless otherwise specified) refer ONLY to the first leak, and to NOTHING ELSE!!!!
How to get your phone on ICS, and how to root it: Originally posted by Jimbridgman
Ok so now that you are comfortably running ICS and rooted.....
HOW DO I INSTALL A RECOVERY?
We currently have two recoveries for the first ICS leak. Both are very stable and work well, but are slightly different. Read each of the following threads for how to install and the differences between them.
BOOTMENU RECOVERY Originally posted and developed by lukensteinz and Whirleyes
SAFESTRAP RECOVERY Originally developed and posted by Recognized Developer Hashcode
And FOR PETE'S SAKE, now that you have a slick recovery working MAKE A BACKUP!. And then copy it and put one on your desktop!!!!
I MADE A MISTAKE, HOW DO I FXZ BACK?
You are ONLY going to be doing this if you somehow messed up a MOD, didn't make a backup, and now you are in a bootloop. REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE FIRST LEAK. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DID NOT READ THROUGH FAR ENOUGH AND BRICK YOUR PHONE. If you managed to try and FXZ back while NOT on the first leak, or your phone won't turn on or go into FB, then, well sorry mate, but you are HARD-BRICKED. But if you are on the first leak then the following should work.
HOW TO FXZ BACK TO GINGERBREAD FROM THE FIRST ICS LEAK Originally posted and developed by Jimbridgman
ROMS TO INSTALL BASED ON THE FIRST LEAK
NOTE: You must be on the first ICS leak in aforementioned post to properly install the following ROMS, unless otherwise noted by the devs! And as always read CAREFULLY the installation procedure as laid out by the developer!!!
ScV7 - ICSupercharged Originally developed and posted by rdavisct
De-odexed and De-bloated basic ROM Originally developed and posted by timmytim
ROMS THAT ARE STILL A WIP:
MIUI PORT FOR A2 V4 2.8.17 Originally developed and posted by rdavisct
CYANOGENMOD 10 - JELLYBEAN Originally posted and ported by wanggjghost with continued help and fixes by rdavisct and Jimbridgman
In closing, hopefully this will answer all your who's, what's, and how's of ICS on the A2. Please DO NOT post questions regarding the threads themselves here. Post those in the appropriate posted thread, as this is what this is for. TO KEEP THINGS ORGANIZED!!!!!
If I need to update the OP, or have left something out. Feel free to post it here.
Enjoy ICS! And remember! ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP!!!!!!!
Special thanks to the following: Jimbridgman, rdavisct, alteredlikeness, Apex_Strider, DX2Trip, Mtnlion and any others I left out.
One quick question what does bootloader, hard-brick and fastboot mean. JK
Thanks for the write up. I hope this saves alot of question's from being posted.
Sent from my MB865 on ICS
Good post man. Answered alot of my questions
Thanks for this, plenty of good information.
rdhoggattjr said:
One quick question what does bootloader, hard-brick and fastboot mean. JK
Thanks for the write up. I hope this saves alot of question's from being posted.
Sent from my MB865 on ICS
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Consider your bootloader a prison warden. Nothing happens unless the bootloader says so. Pretty much plain and simple really. It's the partition on your device, which initiates first. And it checks to make sure the OS is a legitimate one. Ultimate security. If it thinks everything is in order (after communicating with the kernel), it boots the OS. This is the security most devs have to work at, to allow installation of custom recovery and roms.
There are 2 types of "bricks". A hard and soft brick. Soft bricks you can usually recover from. A hard brick, well, it's not impossible, but difficult. Typically with a hard brick, your device is basically dead. No response, or stuck at the logo screen forever more. forever more. forever more...... Edgar Allen Poe. You always want to avoid a hard brick. In essence, your device becomes nothing more than a ....brick.
Fastboot, is a part of the Android SDK. It allows some types of files to be "flashed" to certain partitions of the device, without a need for a custom recovery. For example a boot.img (kernel for easier terms), a recovery image, and a few other image files. Of course depending on the Bootloader, depends on what fastboot capability you have.
Some devices, Devs have been able to re-write the Bootloader to enable fastboot when it wasn't there from the factory. See Iconia A500. By virtue of patching, and re-writing, the bootloader was stripped of all security and features added. But you can't do this with all bootloaders.
Hope this explained.
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Hey Bro I have an Ics ota now. Will that unroot the phone? If yes how do I root it back? And is there gonna b any problem if I update with root?
Sent from my stock rooted Atrix2!
If you are stock 2.3.6 rooted, then yes you will lose root.
As far as rooting ICS goes you should be able to root it with Jim's script from the thread I posted in the OP.
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Just a question out of the discussion but not of the thread. Why does ATT gets last the ICS OTA?? I see Cambodia and India got it already while ATT phones are still on leaks!!! Isnt this weird considering that ATT is the biggest Moto fan?!
how is the battery life on ics? better or less than GB???
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Just a question out of the discussion but not of the thread. Why does ATT gets last the ICS OTA?? I see Cambodia and India got it already while ATT phones are still on leaks!!! Isnt this weird considering that ATT is the biggest Moto fan?!
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Ahem, Viper? Did you not read my post man? TRUST ME. You want to be on the leak.
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how is the battery life on ics? better or less than GB???
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When I was on the leak, I personally was getting better battery life.
However, remember that battery life is all subjective. What might be good for me might not be others!
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and what about root checker?
Yes there is a "Root checker" however, it will not hinder your installation, but as far as long term issues? We have no idea as to what Motorola is going to do with this.
its obvious for voiding our warranty
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its obvious for voiding our warranty
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If you're rooting/modding/theming/tweaking/overclocking/underclocking/changing voltages/editing build.prop/etc./etc./etc. haven't you already thrown caution to the wind in regards to your warranty?
If you are concerned about it, they (Apple) just released a new iToy, so all you have to do is pull it out of the box and use it.. as is... unless you 'jailbreak it', in which case, warranty worries wander back into the equation, right?
once started how do i stop the ota download
You don't. You can download it, and then NOT install it if you like. Once downloaded it will be in your cache folder.
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it said update failed and now its asking me to download again....wth
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downloading was so slow that it took me 4 hrs...damn...and now it failed and asking me to download again
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it said update failed and now its asking me to download again....wth
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If update failed because of checksum error, downloading again won't be of help. Most likely you have changed a file that the update is trying to patch. Better you go back to stock 2.3.6 and then apply OTA.
Same happened with me as to the person above. Downloaded the update. I but it says update failed? Do I have to unroot or something?
Sent from my stock rooted Atrix2!
Please forgive me if my questions have been answered many times but I really don't know what to look for in the search menu to address my questions.
1. I have rooted my phone and installed Liquid smooth but I went back to stock (still on 4.1.2 TW) and would like to update to at least 4.3 or higher. One issue I'm having is that when the OTA comes through and I go to update it gives me an error. But even before that as I am rooted it boots into TeamWin and wants me to install from there. It has been a while since I've done anything with the boot loader and I'm afraid to install from there and/or if that is wise. (frankly I've forgotten how)
Honestly I just want a quick way to install the update to 4.3 or 4.4 or whatever the next OTA is so that I can move on. I really don't even want to mess with it much right now as my life is way to busy.
2. My search so far has shown me that others are having similar issues but they are saying that the ota update is messing up certain things with their rooted phones (haven't found the answers I'm searching for either). Should I wait on updating? If so, how do I get the ota to stop wanting me to update my phone?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
wouldn't you know, that as soon as I submit this post I find another thread dealing with the same thing... Sorry for the clutter.
Here is the thread I found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49249510
Sithlyone said:
Please forgive me if my questions have been answered many times but I really don't know what to look for in the search menu to address my questions.
1. I have rooted my phone and installed Liquid smooth but I went back to stock (still on 4.1.2 TW) and would like to update to at least 4.3 or higher. One issue I'm having is that when the OTA comes through and I go to update it gives me an error. But even before that as I am rooted it boots into TeamWin and wants me to install from there. It has been a while since I've done anything with the boot loader and I'm afraid to install from there and/or if that is wise. (frankly I've forgotten how)
Honestly I just want a quick way to install the update to 4.3 or 4.4 or whatever the next OTA is so that I can move on. I really don't even want to mess with it much right now as my life is way to busy.
2. My search so far has shown me that others are having similar issues but they are saying that the ota update is messing up certain things with their rooted phones (haven't found the answers I'm searching for either). Should I wait on updating? If so, how do I get the ota to stop wanting me to update my phone?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
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Since your life is too busy and you don't want to mess with your phone anymore, your best bet is go back to stock 4.3 which is very good by the way, very stable, smooth and bug free. After so many complaints from my wife I rolled it back to stock 4.3 and she's so happy now.
1. Flash stock MF1 here http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23134718111254196 , just unzip the flash with Odin
2. Your phone should take the 4.3 OTA update and you're home free.
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Since your life is too busy and you don't want to mess with your phone anymore, your best bet is go back to stock 4.3 which is very good by the way, very stable, smooth and bug free. After so many complaints from my wife I rolled it back to stock 4.3 and she's so happy now.
1. Flash stock MF1 here http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23134718111254196 , just unzip the flash with Odin
2. Your phone should take the 4.3 OTA update and you're home free.
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Thanks so much, but now that I've put a little more research into this update I'm seeing that others are having issues with tethering and that would be a serious issue for me.
Also I used twrp to root my phone and did not use odin so I don't know how to flash with odin (or even have the files on my computer) is there a way to us twrp?
It looks like I will need to put a little more time into this than I wanted. Anyway, thanks for the help.
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Thanks so much, but now that I've put a little more research into this update I'm seeing that others are having issues with tethering and that would be a serious issue for me.
Also I used twrp to root my phone and did not use odin so I don't know how to flash with odin (or even have the files on my computer) is there a way to us twrp?
It looks like I will need to put a little more time into this than I wanted. Anyway, thanks for the help.
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No issue with tethering for me, just root then install wifi tether router.
Sorry if I am no expert. But I rooted my phone on 4.4.2, today I got the 4.4.3 update, so I downloaded it. I use SuperSU, so I turned on the survival mode, which was meant to keep my phone rooted through the update.
I run stock rom with franco kernel. Now from what I understand, I can install OTA's but that usually would overwrite the root privileges and stuff. Anyways, so I turned on survival mode on SuperSU and ran the update. I was installing, and then got the Error Android icon, the phone eventually started back up after few minutes of that screen.
When I check my root access it's still there, however, under the version of the system it's still 4.4.2 and I don't see anymore updates.
Sorry if I am new to this, but can someone explain rather or not the update pushed through, if not is my system currently messed up in anyways? And what should I do from here in order to get 4.4.3 kitkat.
Thanks!
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Sorry if I am no expert. But I rooted my phone on 4.4.2, today I got the 4.4.3 update, so I downloaded it. I use SuperSU, so I turned on the survival mode, which was meant to keep my phone rooted through the update.
I run stock rom with franco kernel. Now from what I understand, I can install OTA's but that usually would overwrite the root privileges and stuff. Anyways, so I turned on survival mode on SuperSU and ran the update. I was installing, and then got the Error Android icon, the phone eventually started back up after few minutes of that screen.
When I check my root access it's still there, however, under the version of the system it's still 4.4.2 and I don't see anymore updates.
Sorry if I am new to this, but can someone explain rather or not the update pushed through, if not is my system currently messed up in anyways? And what should I do from here in order to get 4.4.3 kitkat.
Thanks!
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Your answer can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217. It is a Stickied Thread in the General section. Short answer: You need to flash the stock kernel or else the update will fail everytime. Give that thread a read (or at least the first post), and please search next time prior to posting.
charesa39 said:
Your answer can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217. It is a Stickied Thread in the General section. Short answer: You need to flash the stock kernel or else the update will fail everytime. Give that thread a read (or at least the first post), and please search next time prior to posting.
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Thanks, and sorry new to the forum. But I will make sure to ready all the stickies.
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Thanks, and sorry new to the forum. But I will make sure to ready all the stickies.
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No worries. :good: You'd be surprised how many times I've done a search and realized there were plenty of other people that had been in the same exact type of sticky situation I had been in at the time. You can definitely learn a lot from the stickies. That's how I learned all the basics about ADB and Fastboot, which is why I prefer to flash everything manually instead of using toolkits. There are some pretty knowledgeable people roaming these here forums.
Welcome to XDA!
Just flash it as a flashable zip in recovery (found in development forum by vomer)
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I'm running KitKat 4.4.2 rooted. Two days ago, Verizon started trying very aggressively to push a system update onto my phone, and they don't say what it is. Does anyone know what they're trying to force into my phone? I do not want to lose root.
Also, is there any way to stop the aggressive update prompts? If I don't manually set a time to be prompted again, it will push the update without my consent. Is there an Xposed Framework module that can help?
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I'm running KitKat 4.4.2 rooted. Two days ago, Verizon started trying very aggressively to push a system update onto my phone, and they don't say what it is. Does anyone know what they're trying to force into my phone? I do not want to lose root...
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It's this (VZW pdf-file). Also see here. Even if you downloaded the OTA, the installation would fail, because your device is rooted.
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Also, is there any way to stop the aggressive update prompts? If I don't manually set a time to be prompted again, it will push the update without my consent
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See here. Posts # 4 and #8
Please post your questions in the question and answer section
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Please post your questions in the question and answer section
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Is it in the right place now? I get confused about where to post here, sorry.
I can see why they updated the messaging app. It was completely unusable. Is it still KitKat 4.4.2?
Most importantly, if I were to install it, would I still be able to root using the towelroot app?
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See here. Posts # 4 and #8
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I have Titanium Backup (Pro), but I don't see the update app anywhere on my phone. I'll post my question in the other thread. Thanks for the link.
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Is it in the right place now? I get confused about where to post here, sorry.
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Yes, I moved it to the Q&A section.
As a good rule. If you are asking a QUESTION and you want an ANSWER post it in the QUESTION and ANSWER section.
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Hi, I have the Droid Razr Maxx HD xt926 as well and have never done anything with android before in terms of software modification. I first learned how to root my phone and unlock the bootloader in June via the towelroot exploit. I've been wandering around this website wondering how to get this ota update without losing root. I've seen some posts regarding flashing an fxz file, but have also had a hard time understanding what it all means. I have not installed a custom ROM (yet), but when I try to take the ota, it fails because I am obviously rooted. What do I do from this point out? Do I still need to flash a stock image file? Should I just not take the update/is it worth it?
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Hi, I have the Droid Razr Maxx HD xt926 as well and have never done anything with android before in terms of software modification. I first learned how to root my phone and unlock the bootloader in June via the towelroot exploit. I've been wandering around this website wondering how to get this ota update without losing root. I've seen some posts regarding flashing an fxz file, but have also had a hard time understanding what it all means. I have not installed a custom ROM (yet), but when I try to take the ota, it fails because I am obviously rooted. What do I do from this point out? Do I still need to flash a stock image file? Should I just not take the update/is it worth it?
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If you decide to install a custom ROM, you won't have to waste another minute pondering the OTA. If you decide to stay on stock, and want to get VZWs latest firmware on your device, I strongly suggest that you triple-read and follow the instructions in this thread to the T. You will then not have to worry about another OTA nag, because this is the last Moto/VZW update for the XT926.
Okay thanks. I saw that thread on the general forum, but wasn't to sure if I should proceed. I'm going to follow the directions on the original post as I had been planning to do, but was too worried about any consequences. I will report back if I have any problems, given that I can follow instructions. I'll probably just go ahead and try to install the most recent stable release of CM when done. Fingers crossed.