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Google teaming with samsung - fail?

I believe that new Nexus S will let the google down. I had many issues with samsung products in the past, and I saw glitching stock vibrants. What you guys personally think about it?

I think Samsung wants to screw over their current customers. Then again, I am assuming they are doing this because of the leaks.

Yay, lets mix freedom and complete control and see what we get.... It's retarded and the nexus name is forever tarnished.

I would have loved to see the Nexus line stay with HTC but let's face it, they didn't do a great job with the Nexus One. Crappy digitizer and failing power buttons...

Nexus supposed to be the Android of all androids... But with samsung it will drown. I think dead buttons is nothing compare to a brick, which Nexus S will turn for sure.
Galaxy S phones failed big time. Lagging like hell and freezing. Not to mention previous samsung phones.
I could be wrong too. Lets see how Nexus S will go. Maybe samsung learned the lesson.

Do any of you guys have the phone? Did you create a thread just to bash something you haven't used? I have mine OCed to 1.4 GHz, running stable with CM7. Everything is blazing fast, as lag free as reasonably possible, and I have quadrant scoring at 3700+. Let me know when you can beat that.
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Loggerhead87 said:
Do any of you guys have the phone? Did you create a thread just to bash something you haven't used? I have mine OCed to 1.4 GHz, running stable with CM7. Everything is blazing fast, as lag free as reasonably possible, and I have quadrant scoring at 3700+. Let me know when you can beat that.
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Used one for 3 days before wishing the world was flat so I could throw it off the edge. Even with the "new version" the fragmentation compared to the first version of windows phone 7 is just awful. After playing with it I cant find much if any difference from 2.2. If I wanted to throw money away like that I'd buy a vibrant on craigslist for 150, add a front facing camera, then use it as toilet paper that being the most practical use for galaxy S garbage.

AntonJart said:
Nexus supposed to be the Android of all androids... But with samsung it will drown. I think dead buttons is nothing compare to a brick, which Nexus S will turn for sure.
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Actually I heard somewhere that the Nexus line is suppose to represent "pushing the Android line and what to expect from future Android phones."

z33dev33l said:
Used one for 3 days before wishing the world was flat so I could throw it off the edge. Even with the "new version" the fragmentation compared to the first version of windows phone 7 is just awful. After playing with it I cant find much if any difference from 2.2. If I wanted to throw money away like that I'd buy a vibrant on craigslist for 150, add a front facing camera, then use it as toilet paper that being the most practical use for galaxy S garbage.
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u mad
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Loggerhead87 said:
u mad
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Nope, happy with WP7, boy it's great to not lag on the homescreen

The Nexus S is a Samsung product that actually works. They've actually put a lot more effort in the Nexus S than they have the Galaxy S, which is sad to see on many levels. With the build of the Nexus S, and the power of hummingbird, the Nexus S is what all Galaxy S phones should have been. My Moment was a brick in terms of build, dropped it all the time but nothing went wrong with it. But the fact that it had no real hardware support for openGL, was built on 1.5 even though 1.5 didn't support CDMA, and the network issues were so far up there, I'd have to reset my phone 3 times a day! I had to send it back 2 more times and the same thing over and over! Rooting wouldn't help either! So they try to pawn the Intercept off to me as an "upgrade." A smaller resolution that most apps don't support, a slower network, and no Amoled screen? That's not an upgrade. When I had my Epic, the build quality was okay, nothing close to what my Evo is though. But I was tired of waiting for an update that should have come stock on the phone! With a phone like the Galaxy S there is no reason is should have shipped with 2.1! I'm glad Google is the one supporting the Nexus S and not Samsung, because then the Nexus S would have been stuck on 2.3 for half a year after the next Android comes out. I wouldn't mind the Nexus S, but that would be the only Samsung phone I would buy now. After 2 that had terrible support from Samsung, yeah right.

Loggerhead87 said:
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Samsung products suck. I told earlier, somewhere in other post, that I could be wrong about Nexus S. Lets see how it will go. I personally do not trust Samsung Brand.

AntonJart said:
Samsung products suck. I told earlier, somewhere in other post, that I could be wrong about Nexus S. Lets see how it will go. I personally do not trust Samsung Brand.
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Disagree with you a little bit there. I've got a Samsung TV, and Bluray player and both are amazing. It's their phone products that aren't too great. The Nexus S like I said, is what the Galaxy S should have been.

Samsung's hardware is amazing in my opinion.. Their tv's are the best,, and we saw it on our samoled screens.. I show my phone's picture to people and they are wowed... My vibrant is nice rooted on froyo.. But stock.... It's a piece of...
Thank xda for awesome developers.
samsung's software (touch wiz) sucks..
they don't release updates or keep their word.. They piss enough people off. But people keep coming back..
The nexus is saved by google. but honestly.. The nexus one set new standards on upcoming android phones. We didn't see much competition.. The nexus s came out.. With the same hardware we saw two seasons ago.. New standards? Na I don't think so.. instead we are looking forward to dual core phones.. 4g capable phones.. And to me the nexus isnt much of a difference from what we already had.. Cmon samsung! You should have surprised us with new shzz!
Still love my Vibrant though.. Just wish it was officially on froyo, had an FFC, perhaps some 4g capability... Psh.. I WISH! -__-"

Here I agree. I have samsung tv myself, and it is good. I also had their portable audio players, but they were bad. Nexus S has no sd card slot, 16 gb isnt bad, but what about powerusers? No 3G + support, full 4G coverage is still in the far future. Processor is still the same as in previous phones. No gig of ram. Its like a tiny upgrade of nexus one, not counting 4G and front camera. Oh wait, isnt back camera is 5 megapixels?
They should stop making dozens of models, and create 1 master phone, that kicks asses.
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That's sort of what they do now. They have two basis for their major phones.
Hummingbird
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Samsung S3C6410
They've used Hummingbird in all of their high end phones, and the S3 in their mid-low end phones, and their older flagships like the Spica, the Moment. It's used now in another Galaxy phone I know(Not sure which one), I believe the Behold II has the cpu just not clocked as high, the Transform uses it, and the Intercept uses it.

I have sold my Wave S8500 and Galaxy I5800...I have learned my lesson.....No more Samsung produtcs for me.
Bad quality hardware and bad software support (updates, etc.) and bad customer service.
Google is making a huge mistake here!!

put simply...samsung hardware rocks, but samsung software blows. they really need to dump touchwiz and start from scratch...but imagine htc sense running on a galaxy s...epic win

I own both a Nexus one and a Nexus S. The NS is by far the better phone. Sure the N1 has metal and looks great it is in no way comparable to the NS. No android phone out right now compares with the NS.

Sweet Deal on BestBuy NS4G - looking for feedback

Jumping from Verizon Droid Incredible for free because I'm in a dead zone.
Had seen a deal for a Samsung Galaxy S 4G on Tmobile for free, but it's sold out.
Other deal is Nexus S 4G on Sprint for 50 bucks.
Looking for honest feedback. Pros and Cons. Camera, battery life, video chat, etc etc...
Thanks

Well battery life is typical 10-12 hours average use on the stock rom/kernel.(custom rom and kernel can improve this.)
The camera is decent but IMO a phone camera can only be so good to start with.
Its a "shiny" finish akin to most galaxy s devices so it will be prone to fingerprints and scratches. But the build quality is solid for a "plastic" phone.
There's debate about the radio. I live in metro DC and have experienced no issues with data or dropped calls.
Its a Nexus device so it will see updates first as long as the hardware can handle it.
The gpu and ddr3 mobile ram plus the 1ghz single core processor (while not the latest and not dual core) provide a good user experience. Smartbench and quadrant scores comparable to some dual core devices.
I've had it for a few weeks and am relatively satisfied.
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let me tell u this, IMO the nexus s is THE BEST single core android phone out there. I had just returned mine bc I have an SGSII coming in the mail and will jump back to ATT. Even though the SGSII's specs are higher, I chose to leave the ns4g for non-phone related reasons.
basically this: i love the ns' form; light, perfect size, comfortable and sexy curves, awesome craftsmanship/quality. And for those complaining about "future-proofing", look at how long the nexus one has stayed relevant. the same thing has and is going on with the ns. this is google's baby, and pretty much the default developer's phone in the android community. it's not the most popular phone bc it doesnt have carrier/manufacturer bloatware, which is what the general mass wants. but the support and community around it is second to none.
you really need to play with it. its smooth as butter. i had opensoju+netarchy's cfs kernel and no hiccups or lags. its soooo damn easy to root and flash too if thats your thing.
if youre not looking for flashy big screens and dual cores and some of those unnecessary hardware out there, and want smooth android functionality, this phone is for you.
honestly, i wish i could hang onto this phone even though i'll be using an SGSII on ATT, but money wont permit it.

Thanks.
How about Video chat ? Is this OK on the NS ? I'd like to get more involved in this as my wife has an iphone 4 which is underused (surprise) and I'd like to video chat my wife and daughter.

grifforama said:
Thanks.
How about Video chat ? Is this OK on the NS ? I'd like to get more involved in this as my wife has an iphone 4 which is underused (surprise) and I'd like to video chat my wife and daughter.
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Tango works fine and should work with the iPhone as well. Obviously if you aren't on wifi it will be connection dependent, but if you have 4G or wifi available it should work well.

yes, video chat on this phone is as good as any other android or iphone. tango is a good app for android-iphone vid chat. like krohnjw said, it uses a lot of data, so u need good connection. on all my vid chat capable phones, i rarely ever use this feature bc technology just isnt refined yet in that department. also keep in mind that the 2.3.4 version that comes on the nexus allows for vid chat via google talk...food for thought.

And who says Sidekicks are for teens ;)

So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!

It really is the best Keyboard in TM's Android line up. It just seemed to be buggy from the start, not to mention considering it's Samsung updates come once in a Blue Moon.

I've always liked the Sidekick family, even though the first Sidekick I had was the ID. It served me well until I lost my data plan. I heard the LX and SL or whatever else there was, were great improvements and now I'm the proud owner of a 4G. I love it! It's got the feel of a Sidekick with all the perks Android has to offer. My only qualms are battery life and (occasionally) speed and lagging. I rooted my phone, and it seems to be performing much better, but this is all fairly new to me, so I'll have to have a friend who is more experinced with rooting and ROMs take a look at it.

Note... the sidekick may be fully functional, and a great messaging phone, but it is also a low end smartphone. You will notice graphics lag everywhere, it won't hinder you from doing anything, its just not pretty.
What im saying is... don't compare it to the evo. Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones. On the other hand, I can actually type faster on the vibrant then on the Sidekick. The bigger the screen, the easier virtual keyboards become.

My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................

insanedrunk said:
My low end sidekick 4g is way faster than my cousins evo, sense bogs you phone worse than touch wiz.... those " loading" screens when going back to the homescreen are annoying as heck, and not to mention the repopulation of apps when opening the app drawer too... it almost reminds me of my old g1...................................
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Now that I think about it, my sk4g was on par to Droid x / Droid 2 / Droid global on quadrant easily low 2000 scores every time.... I have a very technological family, we always compete who's is faster.....
Its embarrassing a $150 phone is faster than "high end" phones.... now nexus' are a different story ;-)

Dripz167 said:
So I'm at work (I now work at UPS, btw) and this late 20s, early 30's woman comes in looking to ship a package. I go ring her total up, then I noticed out the corner of my eye the slide from the sidekick 4g.
So we had a short conversation about how we both like a good qwerty and how nice it feels. It made me feel good because my best friend, who has an EVO, keeps telling me not to get one because nobody has one.
I'm not one to buy a phone based off of popularity, but based off of what I like. In about 2 weeks I'll be (officially) part of the SK4G family!
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Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.

I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.

I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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insanedrunk said:
Who cares who its marketed to. I'm 21 and own one. Its just a phone. Beer is marketed to adults only, and its seems pretty popular to teens. I love this phone, and on top of its speed, it has flash. Not many high end phones have it either.
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I'm glad to see you're not blinded by what people expect you to conform to.
HeavyYeti said:
I wish the camera had a flash...my only gripe. I would talk this phone up to the end of the earth if it did.
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That's my only gripe also, but I still love this phone.
bipoler said:
I honestly hate the low end specs....i loved the keyboard and 4G speeds maybe even form factor. Needs bettet larger screen flash bettet cam etc...i had to leave the.phone behind
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Even though the perfect screen size for me is 4'', this phone has everything I wanted. And remember, 1ghz and 512mb ram were at one time high end specs.
It was either this phone or the epic, which is the only other phone I like, ever.

I've always loved the Sidekicks, I've owned 3, but I decided to get the 4G Slide for my daughter.
It has the best keyboard ever, hands down.

I am in my late 40s and my wife & I have had Sidekicks since Sidekick II. Still best keyboard on the market!!

oldarney said:
Its a real shame that Tmo doesn't have high end keyboard phones.
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You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
The Sidekick 4g doesn't hold a candle to the MT4GS...not one iota. Sorry to those I might offend but I'm speaking from experience.....as the SK4G and the MT4GS are a couple of the phones I currently own and use every day....in fact I'll go as far as saying I'd ditch my SK4G for another G2 given the opportunity. Giving up the G2 for a SK4G was a big mistake to start with as the G2 had a lot more going for it. The ONLY thing the SK4G has that the G2 doesn't? A FFC....who uses it anyways?

jsyi84 said:
You obviously haven't looked at the Tmo lineup of phones in more than a few months.......
MyTouch 4G Slide...
Last I checked 1.2ghz dual core Snapdragon processor with Adreno 220 gpu(yes, the same gpu as the Sensation, Amaze and Evo 3d), 8mp camera, 1080p video AND A KEYBOARD would be considered high end.....
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Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!

IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P

RazoE said:
Exactly.
It's UNDERCLOCKED from the factory to 1.2ghz. It should actually be running 1.5ghz. If a single core G2 can be OC'd to 1.9ghz, imagine overclocking both cores..?!??!
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Well not really. The Sensation is clocked at 1.2 ghz. And so is the Evo 3d. But the Amaze has a 1.5 snapdragon s3 processor. Different from the Sensation and evo 3d. Even if the it was 1.5ghz it still won't get the same performance as the Amaze and Evo 3d because they are newer processors. I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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ishred11 said:
I believe that when you overclock a phone with dualcores it overclocks both core. Not just one..
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Wrong and right. We can currently oc to 1.7 using the virtuous unity kernels but if you try to oc using apps like setcpu it will show as being overclocked but it only oc's one core since setcpu doesn't support it yet. So it depends on how you try to oc. However setcpu works just fine for underclocking both cores.
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xmeatizmurderx said:
IMO from what I have read the hummingbird kicks the crap out of almost everything on the market still in terms of graphics performance, I just wish we could OC higher like the G2 but we aren't going to get that kind of support needed for a kernel that crazy
I'd love a dual core but I can't deal with a touchscreen only phone or a crappy keyboard (tried G2 and MT4GS) I couldn't ever get speed like I can on a sidekick. I went from an LX to a G1 and that was a nice keyboard but every phone I had after that was painful to type on. I will be holding out until another phone comes out with a comparable keyboard before I upgrade from this one. A dual or quad core would be nice but I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything major right now besides being able to tinker with it ;P
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having had a galaxy as well I can personally say FROM EXPERIENCE samsung products need more polish. Hummingbird or not you'd never know cuz they run like turd.
have you not realized how pitiful samsung products are. After the 3 samsung smartphones I've had now I can firmly say FROM EXPERIENCE You can put any processor or nice screen in it but as the saying goes you can cover a pile of crap in gold but its still a pile of crap...
TRUE WORDS FROM SOMEONE WITH FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE AND HAVE OWNED THEM. (vibrant, galaxy s 4g, sidekick 4g, g2, mytouch 4g, mytouch 4g slide
Not just writing about what I read elsewhere LOL.
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I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.

Tsloble said:
I have owned every SK since the B&W, with the exception of the slide, and having given the 3 immediately away as an "Oh Crap, it's your birthday today?!" gift to an ex.
Extremely solid phones, from my experience. Having been a Jr./Sr. High schooler through most of the models, I put them to the test. In fact, on multiple occasions I had pulled out my SKII and played hackysack with it. I also sprayed it to the point of immersion with a hose one day when doing yardwork and the lil guy just kept on goin. The 3 was a bit finicky, but I enjoyed making custom skins for it. From what I hear the slide was a piece so I'm glad I avoided that one.
My phone prior to the SK4G was the G2, and I have given a fair comparison in another thread so no need to do that here. I see the strengths in the G2 and if I were not a SK guy I would have been extremely happy.
Now, the only reason I've ever had to hate on the SK is the false market that they attempt to sell it to. When the 1st gen hiptop released I was 13. For as cool as it was, it was underpowered for me. They have continued to give me outdated or slow hardware ever since. I would easily have spent more money every single time for a phone that would actually hold it's own amongst the big boys for a while. Looking at this years model - Hummingbird... 512mb ram... 3mp camera with no flash .. really?
However, I love the design. I've been spoilt for fast typing keyboards (On previous models I would out-type the screen and have to wait a good 10 sec to watch it get typed out. Heck, I've written 3-4 page reports on the LX during the class it was assigned). I've been spoilt for multitasking via jump shortcuts. Bringing android into the mix was a great move.
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You interested in buying my sidekick id or 08(needs new battery) real cheap? Lol jk.
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[Q] Second thoughts

I purchased an unlock atrix 2 to use in my country and i'm having second thoughts. I'm coming from a berry storm so to me its a major upgrade. Reviews are sayin its a low budget phone n cant compete with top phones what are you guys opinion on this. And apart from the 1.2 ghz processor on the Gs2 how does the atrix compare with software features and available widgets.

nickyb03 said:
I purchased an unlock atrix 2 to use in my country and i'm having second thoughts. I'm coming from a berry storm so to me its a major upgrade. Reviews are sayin its a low budget phone n cant compete with top phones what are you guys opinion on this. And apart from the 1.2 ghz processor on the Gs2 how does the atrix compare with software features and available widgets.
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Tons of threads on this. The phone is amazing, competes extremely well with every high end phone out in benchmarks and functionality. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Calundle said:
Tons of threads on this. The phone is amazing, competes extremely well with every high end phone out in benchmarks and functionality. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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I agree. I came from the nexus s and this phone just flies! Tons of features and pretty good on battery life.
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Calundle said:
Tons of threads on this. The phone is amazing, competes extremely well with every high end phone out in benchmarks and functionality. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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I honestly wouldn't really agree with the benchmark aspect.
Quadrant:
Atrix 2= 2409
Skyrocket= 3075
Antutu:
Atrix 2= 5177 (unusually high for what Ive pulled before, typically it is around 3500's)
Skyrocket=6477 (beating out the galaxy nexus and only being topped byt the transformer prime quad core)
Both phones were cache cleared, app optimized, maxed stock cpu (atrix 1ghz, skyrocket 1.5, the sky can go to 1.9 but the benchmarks put it into boot loop at that speed) Both are running samung 32gb micros, and screen brightness maxed
One area that the Atrix 2 did excell in was hspa+ data speeds. Same location, the atrix would pull 12+mbps where the Skyrocket would pull around 8-9mbps. Kind of a tradeoff though because when the skyrocket hits LTE Im doing 50+mbps. The atrix is more of a development/ webtop machine as I dont pay for the phone or service (thanks att) and the sky is my daily. I was actually pleasantly surprised at the atrix2 screen as Im not a huge fan of moto screens. Overall I would say it is more mid level than high end. It is sometimes laggy and glitchy but Im sure as soon as the bootloader is unlocked and work really gets done on it, things will turn around.

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So apart from the benchmarks would u say the Atrix 2 can do the same things that the gs2 r nexus can do...imma noob n this will be my 1st android

I believe this phone is right on the level with the other high end phones on the market now. Performance wise it is pretty quick, build quality is near the top, screen is a pleasant surprise.
One thing you should really be aware of when comparing this phone solely on benchmark tests. The Atrix 2 has higher resolution than a lot of phones it is being compared to. This is somewhat of an artificial disadvantage, since this only really hurts the phone's performance on the benchmarks, and not in the real world. Also understand that this phone is constantly compared to phones with overclocked processors, of course those phones will outperform the Atrix 2.
The Atrix, in my opinion is a miss marketed high end device. True, it is not the absolute best phone on the market, but the actual gap between the best phones and the Atrix 2 is very narrow. This phone is every bit as capable as any high end phone on the market, and at half the price.

So no one here would trade for an LG Thrill? I've about had it with the memory bugs on this phone and apps disappearing.

nickyb03 said:
So apart from the benchmarks would u say the Atrix 2 can do the same things that the gs2 r nexus can do...imma noob n this will be my 1st android
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I think you would be perfectly happy with the atrix2. I work for Best Buy Mobile and I have a lot of phones pass through my hands (I personally get a new one every month or two) so I can be kind of biased towards super smart phones. For the price ($49 from bbym) it is an amazing phone. Its quick and capable of most things the sgs2 and nexus can do (sans ics right now). I dont hesitate to recommend it to people at all for the price. If it were 150+ I would probably not sell many because thats going into sgs2 territory and in my eyes the sgs2 line does have better phones, but at 150-200 dollar difference.
lilhaiti said:
I believe this phone is right on the level with the other high end phones on the market now. Performance wise it is pretty quick, build quality is near the top, screen is a pleasant surprise.
One thing you should really be aware of when comparing this phone solely on benchmark tests. The Atrix 2 has higher resolution than a lot of phones it is being compared to. This is somewhat of an artificial disadvantage, since this only really hurts the phone's performance on the benchmarks, and not in the real world. Also understand that this phone is constantly compared to phones with overclocked processors, of course those phones will outperform the Atrix 2.
The Atrix, in my opinion is a miss marketed high end device. True, it is not the absolute best phone on the market, but the actual gap between the best phones and the Atrix 2 is very narrow. This phone is every bit as capable as any high end phone on the market, and at half the price.
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I posted my personal benchmark scores because I know that is what a lot of people want to see. Many people like opinions but will really make decisions based on real data. And yes you're completely right that there are some things limiting the atrix2's scores while not impacting real life performance. The atrix 2's release was right around when the sgs2 came out and completely got overshadowed. We didn't sell a single one for two weeks after launch. Only now when the atrix1 is free and the 2 is only 50 more are people really getting interested. I can honestly say though that the atrix2 does not perform as well as my skyrocket but its hard to really take those as comparisons. The faster clocked processor and much better graphics chip give the sgs2 line a more fluid user feel which does impact my opinion a lot. The atrix sometimes gets twitchy. I am excited to see some developement on the ROM from once the bootloader gets unlocked. I would love a stripped stock rom and OC/UV kernel. Or a nice vanilla ICS port. I hav been playing with the gnex for about 5 days now at work and it is really nice. Unfortunately 4.0 market would not allow me to run benchmarks? Idk how the gnex's score is in antutu then

Great reviews for the Atrix 2. Aesthetically, the phone looks good too. But we still can't ignore the fact that apps on the Atrix 2 will randomly delete itself whenever it pleases - possibly the only drawback on this beautiful device.

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I've about had it with the memory bugs on this phone and apps disappearing.
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But we still can't ignore the fact that apps on the Atrix 2 will randomly delete itself whenever it pleases - possibly the only drawback on this beautiful device.
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Most of the problems with the apps have been discussed in details and can be fixed. Make sure you have NO apps installed on the sd card and some class 10 cards dont play well with this phone. Notice I said some, not all. Making sure the card is properly formatted will also save you some headache. Now am I saying you should have to do this, No I'm not, especially with a new phone. But there are working workarounds to address the problems if you take the time to do them.
For the price you WILL not beat this phone and it will hold its own with the higher priced phones. Once we get some custom stuff for it, things will truly be different and in a good way.

I'm probably going to jinx myself for saying this but I haven't had any apps go missing and I have had the phone for 31 days

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I'm probably going to jinx myself for saying this but I haven't had any apps go missing and I have had the phone for 31 days
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Same here. Screen and speaker quality are top notch as well.

Thank you guys
Thanks for ya'll feedback I live in the caribbean where Blackberry's run the show...Been eyeing Android Since the 1st Atrix...N coming from a bb storm n torch I kno I wont be disappointed...Jus hope its worth the $389 I coughed up for it....Btw can ya'll tell me what apps i will be interested in especially a weather app with a decent widget

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Thanks for ya'll feedback I live in the caribbean where Blackberry's run the show...Been eyeing Android Since the 1st Atrix...N coming from a bb storm n torch I kno I wont be disappointed...Jus hope its worth the $389 I coughed up for it....Btw can ya'll tell me what apps i will be interested in especially a weather app with a decent widget
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Beautiful Widgets is 10cents today on the market. It has nice weather and you can select between two different sources.

The only thing that is different about the A2 compared to its high-end competitors is its price.
At the person talking about apps disappearing, the same thing happened to me. They would usually reappear after a restart. I found out that it's because some apps stored on the microSD card try to get accessed before the microSD card is fully mounted, and it messes with all the apps on the microSD. For me, the problem app was a theme for GO SMS. Just go to "Manage Apps" and find the apps on the "external storage", click on one you think might be causing a problem and select "Move to phone."

I have owned other android devices and I was a flash addict, that's how I killed my captivate... That being said, I do look forward to flashable ROMS and other tweaks and mods for the A2. But, I can say that I have never been this satisfied with a stock device as I am with the A2. I got it at Target 2 weeks ago, it was free with a 2 year contract ... I am thoroughly happy with it, I could not ask more of a stock device.

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I have owned other android devices and I was a flash addict, that's how I killed my captivate... That being said, I do look forward to flashable ROMS and other tweaks and mods for the A2. But, I can say that I have never been this satisfied with a stock device as I am with the A2. I got it at Target 2 weeks ago, it was free with a 2 year contract ... I am thoroughly happy with it, I could not ask more of a stock device.
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Same here. Had a captivate and loved it. Still have it as a matter of fact but the ATRIX 2 is pretty badass out of the box. I can't wait to see custom rom's on it.
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iOS6 Vs SGS2 with ICS

Can't resist bashing Apple. Here is my take on Apple announcements for iPhone on wwdc
Apple Maps: We had this for long time
Facetime over cellular: Skype over Android works very well and its available on all platforms
Facebook Integration: We have been able to upload pictures directly to facebook for a long time
Siri: Apple wins here. Lets see what S-Voice can do. I say Android is year or two away
Overall Android wins hands down. I have a SGS2 and Iphone4 on separate lines and SGS2 is far ahead on Apple.

cool story bro tell it again

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Can't resist bashing Apple. Here is my take on Apple announcements for iPhone on wwdc
Apple Maps: We had this for long time
Facetime over cellular: Skype over Android works very well and its available on all platforms
Facebook Integration: We have been able to upload pictures directly to facebook for a long time
Siri: Apple wins here. Lets see what S-Voice can do. I say Android is year or two away
Overall Android wins hands down. I have a SGS2 and Iphone4 on separate lines and SGS2 is far ahead on Apple.
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WWDC had more than 4 ****ing points. You suck at bashing.
Thanks for waiting my 2 minutes.
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IBTL

There's this article from BGR as well; though the author seems more fanboy than actual critic.
A counter argument can be made for each of his points. Some may be actually innovations, others have been in Android (either stock or through apps) for a long time.

kr3w1337 said:
WWDC had more than 4 ****ing points. You suck at bashing.
Thanks for waiting my 2 minutes.
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Haha. Keep it coming. Won't make Apple better.

He's not saying apples better bro he's saying if your gonna give an objective argument to make use of both sides of the coin and all arguments not just a few we choose android over ios yes but in the case of fairness you must present the argument logically and unbiased
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I was actually impressed with the keynote. The new Macbook Pro is actually fairly priced; it has an INCREDIBLE display resolution and comes with a SSD.
For iOS6, and every other OS they've pushed out, their point is not to innovate. Apple doesn't do things first, they do them correctly. I guarantee every one of those features will be smooth as ****, polished to the utmost refinement. From someone who had no idea what they'd add in iOS6 (and its supposed to be around 200 features; big and small of course) I was impressed with what they came up with.
I think the best way to put it is
Biggest thing to remember, These people that go crazy for these features that are already in Android aren't looking for a phone that does those things. They are looking for their iPhone to do those things.
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apple sucks! (post whoring)

yaba01 said:
apple sucks! (post whoring)
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I hope you sit on a thumbtack.

something that i do like about the iphone is constant updates for the phones. Getting an official ICS for the skyrocket has been long overdue. I just got a pre-order e-mail for the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S III which I will not get since the skyrocket seems just as powerful (the AT&T version is a dual core 1.5ghz and not quad core). Plus it pisses me off that Samsung and AT&T is practically forcing normal users to turn to rooting their phone just to get a decent and updated rom on their phone.

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something that i do like about the iphone is constant updates for the phones. Getting an official ICS for the skyrocket has been long overdue. I just got a pre-order e-mail for the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S III which I will not get since the skyrocket seems just as powerful (the AT&T version is a dual core 1.5ghz and not quad core). Plus it pisses me off that Samsung and AT&T is practically forcing normal users to turn to rooting their phone just to get a decent and updated rom on their phone.
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What people don't seem to understand is that the SIII has an S4 processor. Same clock speed, yes, but far superior architecture.
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iandr0idos said:
What people don't seem to understand is that the SIII has an S4 processor. Same clock speed, yes, but far superior architecture.
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Although I agree with you I must digress that all you will see is in quadrant scores and a few over the top games overall useability more than likely very similar
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I'm not saying it'll affect anything... just fixing a common misconception.
The skyrocket should be a top of the line phone, even after 2 years. ^.^
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alwaysonjohn said:
something that i do like about the iphone is constant updates for the phones. Getting an official ICS for the skyrocket has been long overdue. I just got a pre-order e-mail for the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S III which I will not get since the skyrocket seems just as powerful (the AT&T version is a dual core 1.5ghz and not quad core). Plus it pisses me off that Samsung and AT&T is practically forcing normal users to turn to rooting their phone just to get a decent and updated rom on their phone.
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Samsung's delayed ICS for S2 to get people to buy S3. At least we have access to ROMS where dev's easily cook great ROMS. Poor iOS folks don't get that chance. They are still waiting for wifi and bluetooth toggle. The only thing apple gave them is move bluetooth to first page of settings with iOS6. Losers

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Samsung's delayed ICS for S2 to get people to buy S3. At least we have access to ROMS where dev's easily cook great ROMS. Poor iOS folks don't get that chance. They are still waiting for wifi and bluetooth toggle. The only thing apple gave them is move bluetooth to first page of settings with iOS6. Losers
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If you are going to compare cooked roms then you have compare to jailbroken iPhone. And the jailbreak community does have most everything available to android.
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If you are going to compare cooked roms then you have compare to jailbroken iPhone. And the jailbreak community does have most everything available to android.
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Very true. Compare gingerbread 2.3.6 to iOS6 and I feel like the loser. iOS will never be as customizable as android, but android will never be as smooth nor have the consistant updates. What sold me? Neither. I hate the little ass screen.

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Samsung's delayed ICS for S2 to get people to buy S3. At least we have access to ROMS where dev's easily cook great ROMS. Poor iOS folks don't get that chance. They are still waiting for wifi and bluetooth toggle. The only thing apple gave them is move bluetooth to first page of settings with iOS6. Losers
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You know why they don't care though? Because they can leave their bluetooth and wifi on 24/7 and still **** on our battery life.

The only hing apple is good at, is being able to make morons pay for the same phone over and over. They hardley touch the os itself. Instead they add apps and weird addons and change the version number. Honestly apple just go to show that people like to be told what to do and how to do it. I like choice and variety. All that fancy polishing g you all talk about is why the battery sucks and always will. Apple pushed for html5, yet they are near the bottom of the list for comparability. Apple sues any company that is about to come out with a phone that wipe its ass with an iPhone. Just shows their scared and don't want people jumping ship before the iPhone 5 and iPhone 5s come out. LTE on an iPhone, lololololol. You will have to have it plugged in to use LTE.
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