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So it seems with me finding and leaking out builds pertaining to the Vibrant 4G, as well as ODIN and a PIT file for the Vibrant 4G, there needs to be a section for this phone.
The phone will be released Feb 23rd.
Vibrant users are starting to get confused with the 4G stuff I have been posting in the 3G Dev section.
Can we go ahead and get a 4G section created?
And, if you guys need a mod for it, I'd be open to it.
i second that
i like the Vibrant 4G MODs and leaks, but it is starting to get confusing as some stuff might work for regular Vibrant and some stuff may not...there should definitely be another section for the Vibrant 4G
krylon360 said:
So it seems with me finding and leaking out builds pertaining to the Vibrant 4G, as well as ODIN and a PIT file for the Vibrant 4G, there needs to be a section for this phone.
The phone will be released Feb 23rd.
Vibrant users are starting to get confused with the 4G stuff I have been posting in the 3G Dev section.
Can we go ahead and get a 4G section created?
And, if you guys need a mod for it, I'd be open to it.
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+1
This really needs to be done ASAP. I don't want to think about what the Vibrant forums will turn into if Vibrant plus/4G forums aren't created before the official launch.
yeah asap cause noobs flash 4g kernels and roms on 3g phones
Throwing my vote in here as well.
Also, it could be another development board within the Vibrant section, I don't see the need for a whole new set of 4+ boards for this variant as the accessories and apps will be the same, but certainly a separate development board as all the ROMs, modems, kernels will always be different from the existing Vibrant.
The phones are close enough that flashing a Vibrant ROM on the Galaxy 4G will tempbrick/brick it and vice-versa.
Will someone please think of the newbs!
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Throwing my vote in here as well.
Also, it could be another development board within the Vibrant section, I don't see the need for a whole new set of 4+ boards for this variant as the accessories and apps will be the same, but certainly a separate development board as all the ROMs, modems, kernels will always be different from the existing Vibrant.
The phones are close enough that flashing a Vibrant ROM on the Galaxy 4G will tempbrick/brick it and vice-versa.
Will someone please think of the newbs!
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You will also face the fact that you will not get any data if the flash is successful, thus, making you restore a backup
Anyone know accurate specs on this thing? So many rumors and mixed information. I even seen someone say it was going to come stock with honeycomb which i know is hogwash.
yeah, i'm all for a new section. I hadn't visited the forums in a while and was a bit confused by all this 4G talk.
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Anyone know accurate specs on this thing? So many rumors and mixed information. I even seen someone say it was going to come stock with honeycomb which i know is hogwash.
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2.2.1 1gb internal. 16gb external sd
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Definitely in favor of a separate thread as well. With all the people that don't know what they're doing downloading and attempting to flash the first file they see, it's bound to create even more trouble in the forum if they're allowed to remain together.
Please do, I like the idea of having them separate but together. They will share alot just not most software.
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+1
Count my vote in. It's better to have seperate sections for both phones. They're both different in some ways anyway.
Admins, any update to this?
there are no official words yet
but we are considering options
my guess is that it might come down to a merger
but if lucky we might get a whole stand alone section
Thanks AllGamer.
I just don't want anyone to further complain. I am holding onto the rest of the 4G files, and any more I happen to come across until the section is created.
Admins/Mods,
Has there been any new updates to this request?
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Admins/Mods,
Has there been any new updates to this request?
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please... a new section for this device would be awesome. We need a Galaxy S 4G section soon... this phone drops in less than a week.
Also Krylon360 do you think we will see much development for this device?
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Also Krylon360 do you think we will see much development for this device?
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lets just say, I'm not saying a word.
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lets just say, I'm not saying a word.
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lol say no more =)
request to moderator of XDA
please create development (Main FOrum) for galaxy fit gt S 5670
we have a LOW activity device forum till yet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1260
Hoping for good development after this forum
Because themes and ROMs magically appear out of thin air.
Do you even know if the device has been rooted? :/
yes i rooted my phone and i didnt mean that
what you think bro
i m using 2.3.4 and rooted
froyo also can b rooted with super one click
yes its an emerging device so the development should be encouraged
@ XDA moderators i am expacting a reply plz
Do you have any idea how many devices that XDA already provides a home for? Unless there's a SERIOUS audience for a device, it won't be added. They've said this so many times before. You probably won't get a reply from the Mods.
k thanx
The device is fairly old, and specs are very low. Can't really see much development interest in a device like it...
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_fit_s5670-3726.php
240 x 320 pixels, 3.3 inches
600 MHz processor
its not old its launched in march 2011
the device is already having gingerbread 2.3.4 by samfirm please do
something abt it
Same here buddyy.... even I've requested alot but got no positive response........ feels like throwin my device or cracking this website..... there's no developer of galaxy fit available here.......... also guyz I've seen developers for galaxy mini here where its a very low end device...... n our device is a competitor to lg optimus 1 whose forum is also available n many dev.s are also avialable for it.... so y r device is treated so bad..... don't kno....?????
kk...PLzz give me the OFFicial froyo 2.2 for galxy fit DDKA6
our device is more advance than
galaxy5
galaxy mini
galaxy 3
galaxy spica
lg optimus 1
@ mod check properly first then plz provide us a forum too
I don't think you guys get it, you're not getting a forum if they don't think there's enough demand for it.
5 of you asking over and over again won't change that.
@liquidsolstice
Bro its k if we r not gettin a new forum but can u just help us out n figure out a good way to request the developers for us.... I really need to grow now.....please suggest us something....
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liquidsolstice
bro if i have gt 5670 and i am demanding forum there is nothing bad in it
everyone want development for his phone
and this websight for us too maybe we will get it later
I checked with the magic 8 ball and it said "Chances not so good". Im pretty sure XDA's magic 8 ball must have said the same thing, hence the lack of a forum. Cheers
Why discrimination ؟؟
Main forum for galaxy fit Required
yah the forum should be on xda
xda should should support this new phone i may be too demanding.
thanx for ur support guys
I'm telling you, you need a much larger demand than just the few of you.
Have you reached out to anyone with the phone who's messed with it? Perhaps a system dump? Maybe seeing if the hardware is similar enough to something to port?
You can't just jump in, make requests, and assume XDA will magically make it happen, guys.
after being here... for a few good months, and having an xperia, and other devices.
i really started to like the idea of developing android, since im a Computer engineer i like this kind of things so my question is
how hard are the xperia and the samsung galaxy s captivate to develop?
how saturated are those devices and do you recomend them to develop?
also i want to go to develop custom roms and kenerls and suchs things
what i should know to start or any recomendation are welcome
thanks
With 183 posts you should know how to use the search feature.
There is a thread on the same forum page as your thread that already deals with this question.
It sort of gets asked every week.
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how hard are the xperia and the samsung galaxy s captivate to develop?
how saturated are those devices and do you recomend them to develop?
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Just check the xperia or galaxy forums, see for yourself.
No one knows how good your ROM will be, if its good people will use it.
I don't think there are phones to recommend for making ROMs...
...there is no money if you mean that, you basicly just need a phone with an unlocked bootloader. In that case the captivate should do.
Hello Android Developers | ROM Flashers | Hackers | Modifiers | "I want my phone to look cool" People
First of all, I'd like to point out a few interesting things about this device.
-This is an Android powered phone that is officially supported to Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread
-The is the Galaxy S 4G. It is part of the Original Galaxy S (1st Generation) series and was once offered by ]"THREE" carriers. Mainly T-Mobile, secondly Wind Mobile, and most infrequently, Telus. The unique think about this phone is it was the first 4G Galaxy S Phone on T-Mobile.
-The model numbers are SGH-T959V(For T-Mobile), SGH-T959W(For Wind Mobile), and SGH-T959P(For Telus).
-A vast majority of support on this forum goes to the SGH-T959V for T-Mobile as it is the most common. There are a few T959W users on this forum who also have a few important threads, as well as if you are a T959W user, it is smart to note that yes, you can generally flash T959V roms, yet, you should "NOT" flash T959V Bootloaders and other such partitions such as the Boot, SBL, and Param sections as this MAY result in a permanent brick.
-There are no current T959P specific posts, and it is unknown whether there are any Telus users here. It is currently unknown but probably consistent that these users may be able to flash T959V roms.
OST OR ASK QUESTION
NOW THE MAIN POINT
First, If you haven't read the above section. GO BACK AND READ IT
MAIN MESSAGE
To all noobs, the T-Mobile (WInd or Telus) Galaxy S 4G is NOT internally similar to its predecessor, the T-Mobile Galaxy S Vibrant which lacks 4G and Gingerbread support. If you flash a Galaxy S Vibrant ROM, your phone may (and probably will) die, and will likely be void from warranty if you still have it! You should only flash ROMS available in THiS forum. All other Galaxy S variants including Galaxy S I9000, and other Galaxy S SGH model ROMS, Galaxy Y ROMS, Galaxy S II ROMS, Galaxy S III ROMS, Galaxy Note I ROMS, Galaxy Note II Roms, Galaxy Note 10.1 ROMS, Galaxy Tab ROMS, Galaxy Player ROMS, and any other Android Phone ROM will also kill the phone.
The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
THERE ARE NOW AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S "4" USERS.... THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEVICE... PLEASE POST IN THE FORUM THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE MODEL NUMBER BEHIND YOUR BATTERY
THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS WARNING IS TO STOP GALAXY S 4G AND GALAXY S VIBRANT USERS FROM FLASHING ROMS THAT ARE NOT FROM THEIR EXACT PHONE'S FORUM AS WELL AS TO STOP AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S 4 USERS TO POST QUESTIONS IN HERE
Bump for sticky.
Bump bump BUMP!!!
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Bump for sticky.
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Seriously, sticky this beast. Its almost every day I see a thread with some poor sap who didn't do ANY research, has a bricked phone because he was trying to flash a vibrant ROM XD
While part of me says that if they can't bother to do the research before messing with a very expencive device then they deserve to be bricked with a voided warranty but then the other part says that this is good info so it is now stuck.
i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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Good point. From some of the threads I've been reading, it doesn't sound like some people even pay attention to the stickies as it is.
Maybe the better question: Does having yet another sticky stop people from posting stupid stuff? Probably not.
I'm proud to be a part of this forum and community, and I'm tired of having to filter through a bunch of crap to find the needle(useful post) in the haystack(thread).
I hope that we, as a community, can band together to report abusive users (by clicking the alert triangle in the title bar of the abusive user's comment) and to help nurture the newbies to feel safe to ask questions so they don't follow bad advise and bootloop or worse... brick.
I hope that this being sticky catches someone's eye so they don't flash the wrong roms, if they are on other phones.
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
hechoen said:
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
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Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
zelendel said:
Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
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I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
bhundven said:
I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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It's not rocket surgery or brain science. The simple fact is people want an easy way to do things. That's why they(myself inluded) are here. My homework is my own. So is my frustration. I ask not for sympathy but for pentance. I am so fuc?ing tired of off the cuff remarks from users of this site that claim to "know it all" but slam some poor ****er asking for help. How do you build a comminity on top of that? Search for sure. Notice the hottest topic right now is this one?
Zeledel
Do not expect people to be you. I sure as hell don't
I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
hechoen said:
One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
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Agreed.
For anyone that has been keeping up. Please don't think that I am trying to say that I am like some tech guru. Lol far from it. I only meant to show what can happen when you put some love, effort, common since, strong searchfu toss in some grey hairs into your device. Never know the guy that joins XDA tomorrow may become the next CM.
If you believe you can or if you believe you can't either way you are right.
pft.
Sometimes when your having a bad day, keeping your fingers off the keyboard makes things better.
I had to re-read hechoen 3 times until I got it.
agreed. Also, people should not flash to their phone until they really know what they are doing. When I first rooted my G1, I read for 2 months before trying. Also, I ended up frying my rom and being stuck i bootloader for a day, but I never posted a single thread anywhere(I wasn't a member). So before people say "HELP, am I bricked?" they should try "EVERYTHING" to solve their own problems. The senior members aren't the phone company warranty plans.
google does a good job of leading other galaxy variants to different forum. When i first googled this phone google led me to the i9000 forum, and from reviews and comparisons on other sites they say this phone is very similar to the vibrant so its easy to get confused.Its bad enough samsung has like 10 phones with the galaxy name on it too. I think this thread should be stickied on general and Q and A also, its very easy to be misled here.
Sticky vs. Wiki
airfluip1 said:
To all noobs, the galaxy s 4g isn't the vibrant, if you flash a vibrant rom, your phone may die. You should only flash roms available in this forum. Galaxy S I9000 roms and GS2 roms will also kill the phone. The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
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So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
[email protected] said:
So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
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I actually beg to differ. The galaxy s 4g is a 'galaxy s' phone based on the s5pc1xx (specifically the s5pc110 in PoP with the onenand-flex and dram, just like the epic4g and fascinate) processor (hummingbird chipset). The sgs2 is based on the exynos chipset.
The tablet IS in a class of it's own.
I don't understand your post.
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Hi Everyone,
Have you seen this via the Motorola SEA facebook page ?
facebook com / MotorolaSEA
An OTA upgrade is now running for the Atrix 2G to get ICS.
I'm user of the Atrix 4G and I know that the hardware is kindly similar (except the CPU which is for the Atrix 2 and OMAP and the ATRIX 4G a NVidia) ...
Maybe can you check what can be done based on this ROM ? (I don't know if this can help but maybe you will be able to find some interesting things ...)
I can't provide you this ROM as I'm from Europe and I'm using the Atrix 4G
With Kind Regards,
scarymover said:
Hi Everyone,
Have you seen this via the Motorola SEA facebook page ?
facebook com / MotorolaSEA
An OTA upgrade is now running for the Atrix 2G to get ICS.
I'm user of the Atrix 4G and I know that the hardware is kindly similar (except the CPU which is for the Atrix 2 and OMAP and the ATRIX 4G a NVidia) ...
Maybe can you check what can be done based on this ROM ? (I don't know if this can help but maybe you will be able to find some interesting things ...)
I can't provide you this ROM as I'm from Europe and I'm using the Atrix 4G
With Kind Regards,
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Oh god..
How can be similiar if they have a completely different hardware?
The only thing that they have similiar is the name.
Please,you are on XDA,don't think to be useful if you are a noob.
Completely different hardware and this has been covered before.
Just because it has the name "Atrix" (2) doesn't mean you can get ICS out of that and throw it on the original Atrix...
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Cloudus91 said:
Oh god..
How can be similiar if they have a completely different hardware?
The only thing that they have similiar is the name.
Please,you are on XDA,don't think to be useful if you are a noob.
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Cloudus91 I don't know who you are and that's not for me the best way to answer someone by insulting people.
Your answer was correct until the moment you use the term noob.
You should take into acount that in my job i'm not a noob at all.
So ... next to the fact that the hardware is completely different, the purpose of this message was also to understand how is it possible that Motorola has announced no ICS for the Atrix 2 and in the fact there's an OTA available.
Also I'm in the general section for the Motorola Atrix where it is supposed to be a good place to ask something to everyone.
Please also note that I have maybe add my question too fast because (and I admit) I didn't check completely the product specifications of each devices. (My fault regarding that point)
If I was someone thinnking like you , I can easilly say that all persons that have briked their phone are Noob ? Stupid ? I've never breaked a phone since I'm installing rom, customization and I'm doing that since the first time a Windows Mobile phone has been out ! So I don't think I can be consider as a noob .(<--- Please be sure that I'm not considering a person who has break his phone as a noob --> it is just an example)
Conclusion:
You're probably not a Noob in your job, passion .... but in answering people I guess you're a real one.
Anyway thank you for the information.
Kind regards,
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Cloudus91 I don't know who you are and that's not for me the best way to answer someone by insulting people.
Your answer was correct until the moment you use the term noob.
You should take into acount that in my job i'm not a noob at all.
So ... next to the fact that the hardware is completely different, the purpose of this message was also to understand how is it possible that Motorola has announced no ICS for the Atrix 2 and in the fact there's an OTA available.
Also I'm in the general section for the Motorola Atrix where it is supposed to be a good place to ask something to everyone.
Please also note that I have maybe add my question too fast because (and I admit) I didn't check completely the product specifications of each devices. (My fault regarding that point)
If I was someone thinnking like you , I can easilly say that all persons that have briked their phone are Noob ? Stupid ? I've never breaked a phone since I'm installing rom, customization and I'm doing that since the first time a Windows Mobile phone has been out ! So I don't think I can be consider as a noob .(<--- Please be sure that I'm not considering a person who has break his phone as a noob --> it is just an example)
Conclusion:
You're probably not a Noob in your job, passion .... but in answering people I guess you're a real one.
Anyway thank you for the information.
Kind regards,
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Sorry but the good place to ask something is the Q&A section...
And the atrix2 update its not canceled...so...I do t see how this post its usefull...
from the (m)ATRIX...
If you checked the ICS schedule, the Atrix 2 is still on track for an ICS release. Furthermore, the Southeast Asian update was seeded even before the updated schedule was posted online.
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Thread reported as it's completely pointless.
Oh my god ...
All my apologises ...
Effectively I'm completely wrong that time ....
Can this new thread be deleted please....
Sorry again everyone for the disturbing ... my complete fault.
It's Friday and maybe I have to go back and sleep a bit again ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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Oh my god ...
All my apologises ...
Effectively I'm completely wrong that time ....
Can this new thread be deleted please....
Sorry again everyone for the disturbing ... my complete fault.
It's Friday and maybe I have to go back and sleep a bit again ....
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Man don't sweat this. There should be a sticky/video for anyone entering the Atrix 4g forums that explains the need for a really thick skin before posting anything.
I participate in more than a few XDA forums, and as far as I can tell. This one is the most passionate (read; intolerant) of them all.
Hopefully you can still find a way to enjoy the site. Not everyone feels the need to be abusive. And there's more than a few great resources here. It is worth sticking around.
Welcome and enjoy.
Yeah, people were a lot more polite most of the time in both the g1 and desire z forums. I always get a chuckle at how many people want to report an close threads on the atrix forums.
The Internet is a funny place.
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