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I have still 10 days to switch from this phone to any other one I chose. I did not even know HTC locked to bootloader for this phone when I got it
I HATE, PURE HATE htc sense but I thought cyanogenmod would help to get rid of it
Reading allot on the forum it looks like the unlocked bootloader can take months and months before htc releases it. And I can't take that long with htc sense
Any of you also think switching to the cheap plasticy samsung galaxy s2 just because it has unlocked/cracked bootloader?
I am still hoping htc will release the unlocked botoloader this week, otherwise I am back to ****ty samsung
I understand people who don't like HTC Sense, but what I don't understand is why not just put a different launcher on the phone (ADW, LP, Go, etc.), disable any HTC sync services, remove any HTC widgets and if you're really picky, put on an alternate lock screen.
I get that people like running Cyanogen because it's a "clean" Android build, but to me it's not that big of a deal. Not to mention, people always say Android has decent memory management. If you're not running any HTC-based apps, Android should manage that memory they use properly and set it as a lower priority than anything else you're running.
Everyone has their opinions, so I'm sure this is all based on preference. To answer your question though, it's all up to you. There are flaws with every device out there, so you really have to pick the lesser of two evils I guess.
HTC Sense takes over 500mb in ram just by idle. And clean android takes about 150mb ram running idle.
Sense takes allot of battery power even when you don't use it all.
Shame on HTC for encrypting the crap out of this phone...
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HTC Sense takes over 500mb in ram just by idle. And clean android takes about 150mb ram running idle.
Sense takes allot of battery power even when you don't use it all.
Shame on HTC for encrypting the crap out of this phone...
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Sense doesn't utilize 500 mb in idle state, I guarantee you this. Be patient, change the launcher, the phone is still great stock. I assure you it's better than SGS2 with the god awful Samsung software, their developers can't write decent firmware for their amazing hardware.
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I have still 10 days to switch from this phone to any other one I chose. I did not even know HTC locked to bootloader for this phone when I got it
I HATE, PURE HATE htc sense but I thought cyanogenmod would help to get rid of it
Reading allot on the forum it looks like the unlocked bootloader can take months and months before htc releases it. And I can't take that long with htc sense
Any of you also think switching to the cheap plasticy samsung galaxy s2 just because it has unlocked/cracked bootloader?
I am still hoping htc will release the unlocked botoloader this week, otherwise I am back to ****ty samsung
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Apparently the GS2 makes you fail your CRB check. Sensation is holier than thou, and any other thoughts is herecy.
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Ahh cyan. Good quadrants and crappy GPS ....no thanks ill wait it out
Sdobron said:
Sense doesn't utilize 500 mb in idle state, I guarantee you this. Be patient, change the launcher, the phone is still great stock. I assure you it's better than SGS2 with the god awful Samsung software, their developers can't write decent firmware for their amazing hardware.
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I got now at idle all programs stopped: 437mb used 121free.
Can you report what you got?
Ive got a sg s2 and its just about to go back to amazon as ive had two faulty handsets .... The kies software that u have to use to update the phones firmware is buggy as hell ... If you transfer stuff from kies to nemory card it probably wont work (i have tried to transfer videos twice) the data connection is buggy ... Dont get me wrong its a superb handset but till they sort out kies and other issyes im coming back to htc snd just ordered sensation
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free != available
free means not used.
in the used section you should probably have something telling you how much is used for buffers.. add that amount up to the amount free and you should get the real amount of available ram.
also, did you install other apps, are you using widgets.. info info info.
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Sense doesn't utilize 500 mb in idle state, I guarantee you this. Be patient, change the launcher, the phone is still great stock. I assure you it's better than SGS2 with the god awful Samsung software, their developers can't write decent firmware for their amazing hardware.
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Your comment is irresponsible: do you even haven an SGSII? I have both the Sensation AND the SGSII. I can tell you this: TouchWiz 4.0 is light years better than Sense 3.0. It runs quite smoothly --I didn't even bother installing LauncherPro, which is what I'd done on my 5 other Android phones (the Milestone, the Desire Z, the SGS, the Xperia Arc and the LG Optimus 2X) -- and TW4 certainly doesn't take up as much memory bandwidth as Sense 3.0 does.
Also, you're saying: "be patient with the Sensation, just put a new launcher because SGSII's UI is crap." Ummm... you can also change TouchWiz 4.0, if you want! "Crappy" UI solved.
Please don't jump to conclusions based on stuff you just read somewhere (it pays not to take everything at face value) or because you had a bad experience with another device from the same manufacturer. Also, if you really have a jones for a particular device, just say it. We don't advice that borders on blatant fanboy-ism here. We get enough of that from the Apple fanboys on Engadget.
Anyway, in response to the OP: I have few complaints with the SGSII so far, which is more than I can say for the Sensation. To be sure, the Sensation's build quality is wonderful, it feels solid in hand, in contrast with the build of the SGSII, which feels a bit flimsy -- and I can see the attraction of the Sense 3.0 lockscreen. I am very partial to the stock lockscreen and stock widgets, which is why I've stuck with SenseUI even though it's still too rough.
Meanwhile, the Sensation's display looks washed out and the main Sense 3.0 launcher jitters between screens. Its one bright spot is that, because of its higher resolution, text looks great. That said, higher resolution or otherwise, the Sensation's display can't hold a candle to the SGSII's Super AMOLED Plus display. Heck, the Sensation's display isn't even as good as the SGS's!
What's more, you'd think HTC would have made it possible to customize the functionality of the right and left launcher buttons by now. Instead, we're stuck with that ridiculous "personalize" button. I have no idea why they won't allow customization of those two buttons. I really hope they provide a way to unlock the device's bootloader soon.
Meanwhile -- and like I've already said -- TouchWiz 4.0 actually runs very smoothly. In real world usage on my SGSII, it's about as smooth as LauncherPro, which surprised me quite a bit. Up until I'd gotten the SGSII, I'd made it a habit to buy LPPro Plus for each of my devices. Not anymore. Also, you can customize the app drawer and arrange the apps to suit your preferences. Likewise, many of the stock widgets can be resized. It's a huge improvement that's been implemented by Samsung and they deserve some recognition for that, not derision.
If I had to choose between the 2 devices, I'd definitely go with the SGS. Really, about the only area where HTC is better is how solidly it's built. This isn't to say the Sensation is a bad device -- it's my 2nd favorite android device after the SGSII (and is certainly MUCH better than the O2X) -- it's just that it leaves too much to be desired.
Xaroth said:
free != available
free means not used.
in the used section you should probably have something telling you how much is used for buffers.. add that amount up to the amount free and you should get the real amount of available ram.
also, did you install other apps, are you using widgets.. info info info.
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I have installed apps (23 of them) and I only use the htc clock/weather flip clock. My last phone had only 350mb ram and always got 200 free. That's why I hate so much on htc sense.
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I got now at idle all programs stopped: 437mb used 121free.
Can you report what you got?
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HI..i can report you,that idle when all running stopped Free 231 Mb
me too thinking of swithing to galaxy s II... firstly bad about this phone is that whenever i use the web browser or just play usual games like angry birds the phone gets hotter... secondly of the speaker on sensation phone is too soft people call me i can barely hear it is ringing... and of course the locked bootloader... that's just my opinion on this phone... and the touchscreen lag... at times...
What's the point of asking this question in the Sensation forum? Obviously people will take offense. Ask it in the SGSII forum if you want to reaffirm your decision or whatever.
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What's the point of asking this question in the Sensation forum? Obviously people will take offense. Ask it in the SGSII forum if you want to reaffirm your decision or whatever.
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Nice point! We all know that the guys in the SGS2 forum are going to be very objective! /sarcasm
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Hi i own a Sgs 2 for one month and i just bought me a Sensation as a second phone, my personal opinion is that the Sgs 2 is much better than the sensation in terms of speed/smoothness throughout the whole software, Tw 4.0 vs Sense 3.0, video codec support, Battery life, Camera, Super Amoled Plus vs Slcd, Speaker volume, More Stable. The sensation wins in the design department (for me), Heavier (feels better) and thats my personal opinion cheers
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What's the point of asking this question in the Sensation forum? Obviously people will take offense. Ask it in the SGSII forum if you want to reaffirm your decision or whatever.
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If the OP has "HATE...PURE HATE" for sense....why on earth would you buy it?
I don't buy things I hate..... Just some personal advice
Plus if you didn't know it had a locked bootloader, then with all due respect, you didn't do any research before you made a big purchase.
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Apparently the GS2 makes you fail your CRB check. Sensation is holier than thou, and any other thoughts is herecy.
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buhahaha that was funny!
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First....
Sense is not only UI.... Contacts / Mail / Messages / Weather / SW Tweaks / Notifications / Exchange integration (company work) ........ Are between... mmmm.... let's say 2 or 3 million times better than samsung or stock sw....
This is far better than SGS2 in terms of usability... and really close in the rest....
Second....
My Sense FLY...
Third....
Is up to everybody to buy one thing or another.... 99% of the people with the sensation are really happy... and If U have the last rom it runs even better (fast fast fast...)
Fourth....
Smooth effect != Fast....
For example
Case 1:
- Press button
- Instant WOW !!! Effect
- 4 secs
- App opened
Total 4 secs + a WOW !!
Case 2:
- Press button
- Simpler effect or no effect (1 sec)
- Instant App opened
Total 1 secs + no WOW !!
Fifth....
<< HTC Sensation > Sensation General > Switch to SGS2? >>
¿?¿?¿?¿?¿ .....
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I heard that touch wiz becomes very buggy and the phone cant handle rom well, probably just rumors though.
Would like to start a general discussion here.
Would it be a good idea if Google only use android on their own ( Motorola) hardware?
Take this as current state and not the changes in ice cream.
Currently android is a mess 6 versions of the the os in the market.
Three main ones app makers have to support.
I love aosp so I use cm7 as I missed the nexus one and the nexus s didn't have an SD card.
I have tried touchwiz on a galaxy s. Sense on a hero and desire HD. Motoblur on a dext and defy.
They add nothing all they do is slow down the phone and updates.
Why do company's feel the need to add old ui's ( most are ported from older model phones)
Something I miss from my iphones was updates on all devices as the same time, no waiting around for a manufactor to mess around with it,then a network to spoil it even more, then for me to get it after a slow roll out.
So maybe android needs to take a look at ios and think why do app devs like it more? Why do normal users like it more?( XDA users are not normal users)
I would like one of three things to happen.
1- all android phones are aosp.
2- added UI are installable as an option not bundled into the phone.
3- Google to only release phones for purity.
Would like to see peoples thoughts on this.
And also if you like a UI why do you like it? what do you think it adds?
I repair things I am not a writer so hope its coherent enough to get the jist.
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HTC, Samsung, Moto, etc... they put those UIs on to dumb down the OS. Make it simple. Simple sells.
Simple UI plus a Powerful OS = great sales!
But sense adds even more settings and more to the lockscreen more everything.
Motoblur seems to need a blur account then you need your Google account for market.
Not that simple to me.
Touchwiz just seems to change things not add or take away.
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All of those make it simple. How do you add to the lock screen on stock Android?
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All of those make it simple. How do you add to the lock screen on stock Android?
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You can't on stock its a simple unlock or mute
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What makes apple so "great" in most customers eyes is the simplicity. I love android just for the fact that there are so many ways time customize it it's ridiculous. Example: apple had to release almost 5 generations of the iPhone just to try to keep up with the android.
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aurgerman said:
Example: apple had to release almost 5 generations of the iPhone just to try to keep up with the android.
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Not sure I agree with that.
Android only really took over apple when android got to 2.2( not everyone even has that yet)
Ios is very rock soil and before ios4 didn't really crash on me. I have only started noticing problems since ios4.
And with the customization with our phones there is a limit to what you can theme on stock rom without root.
Installing cydia on ios devices you get loads of themes and changes some of them are even better then android visually.
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Are you sure ^ ? 2.2 - 2.3 is on 85% of Android devices right now.
Let's keep in mind that all these companies need to distinguish themselves from their competition. Consider all the competing phones based on, say, the ARM A8 platform. With similar core hardware under the hood running the same underlying OS, the interface is simply the best place to make a given model noticeably distinct to the average consumer.
Google may not be thrilled with platform fragmentation, but I'd wager that the various royalties / licensing fees / brand recognition opportunities / whatever more than make up for it. Going full-turtle would be bad business. Just my 2 cents...
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3- Google to only release phones for purity.
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Coming soon from Google: AryanOS, locked down tighter than **** Cheney's butthole to guarantee purity!
/Godwinned
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vetvito said:
HTC, Samsung, Moto, etc... they put those UIs on to dumb down the OS. Make it simple. Simple sells.
Simple UI plus a Powerful OS = great sales!
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So true.
Also, Google, Moto, Sammy, and HTC don't fight back enough with carriers, mainly Verizon, against bloat. Verizon would probably say "To hell with Android then" if they did, since they don't have as much leverage as the iPhone and Apple.
Jazz is also right. If every manufacture had stock on their phones, you wouldn't know which to choose since there would be no difference. Only buyers, like us, that actually care about the speed of a phone, and the ram and rom and all that jazz would know the differences, but average users wouldn't. Hell, my sister, who is only 21, doesn't understand the difference between a Droid and an Android phone, she assumes that every phone that runs Android is a Droid...like my aunt's Evo. (lol)
I actually like Sense, especially Sense 3.5. I think it makes Android look a little nicer, especially if you don't want to root or use custom roms. Touchwiz is also kinda nice, but it's really just the launcher that is changed. Blur is a piece of doodoo though. Can't even install the Facebook app onto my X2 because of Blur's useless Facebook integration that works like hell. Tells me everything I don't want to know, and nothing that I do.
I seriously don't see the point of bloat anyways. If the app is already installed on my phone and I never use it, what is the difference between that and it not being on my phone entirely. If I wanted the dang app, I would've clicked the Verizon tab in the market and downloaded VCast or VMusic. Best answer is probably that Verizon has some stupid person in HR or whatever deciding on what is preinstalled on the phone, instead of the actual consumer. (Then again, I don't see the point in a Facebook phone as well..)
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Its like looking into a time machine , i remember iOS3 & 4 when it was as simple as jailbreak.me man it used to be so easy :/
I hate sense. I hate it so much that I am ready to get rid of the phone even though overall it is a great phone. Who in their right mind thinks dragging a circle into a ring is intuitive? Most of my friends cant figure out how to anser my phone and they own other android phones. I have now had this phone for about 6 months. My previous phones were the Nexus One, which was awesome, and had i not dropped and broke the screen I would still be using that phone. T-mobile replaced it with a galaxy s which was a complete POS which led to this phone. I want to root my phone, and install ice cream sandwich (ICS), or at least native android but I do not want sense. Every thread I have found on here all seem to include the sense with ICS. Can someone point me to a ROM that will meet my needs?
To root: [Guide] to Installing S-off, Unlocking, ClockWork, Root, SuperCID & S-on
I'm currently running ARHD 4.1.9 with a no sense add on script.
This link here: [ROM] Android Revolution HD™ 5.0.2 XE | ICS | Sense 3.5 | High Quality & Performance
will direct you to the downloads for a good ICS rom install.
This link: ARHD No Sense Script
Is the add on you flash straight after you flash the rom to remove the sense script (don't reboot CWM or 4EXT flash straight after). It will give you standard android with Go Launcher EX.
It's good as a daily.
Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
Edit: I want to make it clear, I'm not trying to hate or be a condescending douche, I'm just trying to see a different perspective. I actually don't mind Sense, but it depends how it's done. None of the 3.5 roms run great for me, ARHD 3.x seems to be the only rom that does Sense right. Smooth and fast, lag free.
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Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
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Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense
mafiabs said:
Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense
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Sense 3.0 is the thing what made me buy HTC Sensation... believe me, even my wife bought a Xperia Arc "after" using my old Desire HD for a while... and she made me sell it at a loss after a weeks time...and got a Sensation XE...
If you hate Sense so much, go for SII ..... but i simply cannot live without Sense ... there is so much in it...
Why should I buy SII when I don't like the hardware? Crappy plastic, horribly light, otherwise a decent phone. I don't mind Sense being loaded when I buy the phone, as long as I can install whatever I want after that. After all I do realize that Sense is a major selling point for HTC. A lot of non-technical users love it, and there is nothing wrong with that. A lot of non-technical users also like Windows, and that's why the PC business is what it is today, but still I wouldn't use it even for a day
Also, when you say that there is so much in Sense you obviously haven't tried CyanogenMod... there are settings and customizations which I(and probably you also) didn't even suspected to exist, while using Sense...
Have a nice day, and use whatever makes more sense to you, after all that's why we use an open system
Not all HTC phones have Sense. I guess you miss my post about having a Nexus One? That is an HTC phone.. No sense, just native Android, and it was flawless. I had 4 samsung galaxys and they all had problems within 4 months and 1 of them lasted 2.5 months before it failed. So basically I had 1 fail after 2 months then every one after that had issues within a few days to a week of getting it in the mail. After reading the reviews of the galaxy nexus, i am not interested. Same cheap feel as the current and previous galaxy and they still have the same problems as the previous versions. I just read a thread about how tapping the galaxy nexus phone causes it to buzz/vibrate. I had the same problem with 2 of my galaxy phones, not to mention none of them worked with GPS even after installing the samsung "fix", and then resorting to changing the server settings ect.. Samsung makes great displays, too bad the only quality part is the screen. This phone was sent to me as a replacement to my galaxy so I really didnt buy it. Other than HTC, at this point there really is no alternative. In my opinion no other manufacturer makes a quality phone so that is why i choose HTC as a manufacturer. I also knew if I didnt like the phone, once rooting was available I could root it and install native android which is why I am here.
To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS
For answering the phone, u may either drag the answer call ball into the ring
or just simply drag the ring like unlocking the phone
Sense is HTC's biggest weapon
without sense, HTC may die decades ago
I guess that makes sense. I never really noticed their hardware was that much better, but sounds solid to me.
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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS
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No, not mad at all but Im sure you saw only 1 post was on topic, (the one you mentioned and the one below was kind of on topic) the others were people trying to explain why they like sense and basically telling me if I didnt like sense I should have bought a samsung. I have had this phone for 6 months, and gave it a chance (which was stated in the first post). I have used sense for 6 months and I still dont like it. I don't need other peoples opinion on why sense is good, or how their wife made them sell their phone. What does any of that have to do with me rooting my phone and installing ICS, or a rom without sense? None of those replies address the point of this thread. I want this thread to stay on track, not turn into a "I love sense" VS "I hate sense thread". I think its pretty obvious, that is the direction it was headed.
Thank you for the information. I will probably try simply removing sense from the phone first as you suggested. I dont need ICS, I just figured since I was going to root, ICS would be better. I also know ICS is coming soon with OTA. I might simply wait for that, then remove sense. I am assuming the script will work for the OTA since it works to remove sense 3.5 from the current rom floating around.
See how you get on with CM7. It's not ICS and development may have ceased in favour of CM9, but for me it's clean, fast and solid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258543
holy crap thats a long thread... 500+ pages? WOW! Seems like a lot of people are using that. Thanks!!!
Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
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rumors are rumors. there was a thread or post somewhere stating that sense on ics will toned/slimmed down since ics already has most of the features. I believe sense 3.5 was added to ics so they can work out the bugs. Well only time will tell though. Lets just see when it gets release lol.
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Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
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While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. But again I dont understand why this is becoming a "Why I like sense" thread...
The rings are not intuitive. It requires you be familiar with the phone (which by definition makes it not intuitive) and as much as I dislike the Iphone and apple products in general, I can pick up any Iphone no matter what generation and use it without issue, and I sure as heck dont have to "figure out" how to answer the phone when it rings. Same goes for any native android phone, but the vast majority of people who pick up my phone have to ask how to unlock it. Having a red decline button and a green answer button requiring them to be pulled into a ring is not intuitive. However, a green button that says answer and a red button that says decline that you press to perform the action stated on the button, I find intuitive. I have no problem answering the phone, or using the phone, but I have found certain things about sense I just dislike as a whole, especially after using native android on my nexus one. The lock/unlock ring, and answer buttons are just the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion, all android phones should have the option to use native android, or the manufacturers GUI and I hope Google implements that.
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To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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Dude. Calm down. I don't particularly like Sense either, but it sure is pretty and fun to play around with for a bit.
The bad news is there's no real 'native' (I assume you mean AOSP) ICS out there yet. There's the 'Voldemort ROM' that we're not allowed to discuss or link to here, but it's not usable yet. If you're really desperate for ICS, you could try out Virtuous Inquisition from the development section. It's the Sense-ICS leak but it's had almost all of Sense stripped out. It's far far better than I was expecting it to be, but it's not without its bugs.
Your best bet would be to just install CyanogenMod 7 and wait for KMobs to release CM9 for us - when it's ready.
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Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and happy new year in advance. I pray to God that our Sensation should get all the upgrades as early as possible like native ics.
Hi All:
Did you ever think how the perfect rom should be ?
a Perfect rom for me is a rom which
1- Have CM settings and options .
2- Have the Sense Image Camera App working as stock rom.
3- Heavy duty Battery serving.
4- No bugs or force close.
5- Stable with No mistakes.
What else ??
Is such a rom even exist ??!
I don't know if this wish is so hard to achieve for HTC or any other mobile band company.
for me my problem with the stock sense rom is stability and little amount of setting available for the user, App keep crashing .....
and some thing driving me crazy which it is that I can't turn vibration off when I answer a call because there is no option to do that , HTC team think that every one like this option and they forget that people think in different way and what you love must I hate it.
Come on HTC think again about what you are doing.
Samsung , Sony , HTC ....ect the only thing they care about is to distinguish from each other " I'm using Android but my Android is different than your Android" ..... Just Like Children
In the end I'd like to say that I respect Huawei so much, they offer for the user to use stock Android system and other Huawei UI in case that you don't like the stock Android, other companies should check and learn how to satisfy the customer
I would love a cm10+ Rom with sense camera.. best of both.. don't know if it can be done though.. no bugs etc is a given..
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Why don't you try the Viper ROM?
It has the Sense Cam (CM will probably never have it) and you can enable the CM-like quicksettings in the notification bar. It also has pretty good battery life and is also close to having no bugs.
No bugs? Yea dream on, thats never gonna happen as long as its humans who writes the code.
I switched from Viper to CM a few months ago and have been extremely happy with the product. Viper was unfortunately too slow, even when OC. CM10 is extremely smooth and fast, even without a custom kernel for OC. The camera for CM, however, is extremely disappointing. It is not nearly poor enough where I would switch ROMs, but it definitely needs considerable improvement to been anywhere near that offered by any Sense-based ROM.
My vote is for CM with good camera, too.
What about Snap Camera - haven't used it but I've heard good things about it.
Thank you for your replies guys
For me I'm using Viper One S 2.1.0
It is cool rom but .............. still there is no real CM like settings.
In the first place , why we selected an Android phones ............... there is Windows Phone 8, iOS Apple , Nokia Symbian and more....
But our choice was Android, the ability to fully control & customize the mobile.
Stock roms specially sense make alot of limitation and even also with alot of bugs and unstable performance after long process of destroying the real And pure Android !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that Google should put a condition to any mobile company want to use Android which it is offering the customers the freedom between using the Stock company rom (sense ,touch wize samsung ....ect..) or the pure Google Android.
Then we will see how many users will keep using a rom like sense
Liquidsmooth by Droyd is my favourite right now. Fastest rom I've ever used. And it looks stable so far!
Regards!
Sounds like you want a Nexus 4 instead of a One S.
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Sounds like you want a Nexus 4 instead of a One S.
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To be honest I don't trust LG and all Nexus 4 issues and I don't think that one day I will buy any thing from LG except the washing mashine :laugh:, the HTC hardware is amazing but............... software is below average.
It is a matter of open source, all what HTC should do is to provide a fix for camera app in CM and well known roms to satisfy their loyal customers
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Thank you for your replies guys
For me I'm using Viper One S 2.1.0
It is cool rom but .............. still there is no real CM like settings.
In the first place , why we selected an Android phones ............... there is Windows Phone 8, iOS Apple , Nokia Symbian and more....
But our choice was Android, the ability to fully control & customize the mobile.
Stock roms specially sense make alot of limitation and even also with alot of bugs and unstable performance after long process of destroying the real And pure Android !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that Google should put a condition to any mobile company want to use Android which it is offering the customers the freedom between using the Stock company rom (sense ,touch wize samsung ....ect..) or the pure Google Android.
Then we will see how many users will keep using a rom like sense
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name a setting in cm that doesn't exist in viper..... besides quiet hours...
you have quick settings, you can change battery icons, you can change carrier txt, you can do MORE than what cm offers actually....
PS since sense is closed source you'll never see sense camera on AOSP it's impossible to do since every app that you see in sense is tied to the framework.
and if you don't like sense go buy a nexus phone... seriously.. sense is great and with dev's like torx he gave you more options than half the AOSP roms have.. and what limitations you're speaking of i'd really like to know, all the included sense apps have 10 times for thought and convienence set that stock aosp.. though i do agree that google should make all oems allow users to choose aosp or oem provided there's a reason they dont.. THATS WHY GOOGLE HAS THE NEXUS BRAND!!!!!
... jus sayin
"If you dont like sense buy a nexus"... What kind of bullsh*t is that?
The HOS is superior in every way except for sense - which can easily be solved with an AOSP rom...
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"If you dont like sense buy a nexus"... What kind of bullsh*t is that?
The HOS is superior in every way except for sense - which can easily be solved with an AOSP rom...
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how would you say that the HTC One S is better than the nexus 4?
keep in mind.. i build aosp roms... i like them both, i have an htc phone for the build quality and the option to have sense and aosp.. aosp is very basic.. i love sense for work and how easy it is to use.. i know the ins and outs of both os's very very well..
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name a setting in cm that doesn't exist in viper..... besides quiet hours...
you have quick settings, you can change battery icons, you can change carrier txt, you can do MORE than what cm offers actually....
PS since sense is closed source you'll never see sense camera on AOSP it's impossible to do since every app that you see in sense is tied to the framework.
and if you don't like sense go buy a nexus phone... seriously.. sense is great and with dev's like torx he gave you more options than half the AOSP roms have.. and what limitations you're speaking of i'd really like to know, all the included sense apps have 10 times for thought and convienence set that stock aosp.. though i do agree that google should make all oems allow users to choose aosp or oem provided there's a reason they dont.. THATS WHY GOOGLE HAS THE NEXUS BRAND!!!!!
... jus sayin
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OK I will name you a setting it is the vibrate on connect check for details in internet
I know sense camera is only available in sense based rom , and this is the reason that I still use sense...................
I don't like sense at all but I like HTC and the good hardware, I like Nexus but i don't trust LG hardware...
As I said Huawei offer AOSP beside their own UI so where is the problem ?
one-option said:
OK I will name you a setting it is the vibrate on connect check for details in internet
I know sense camera is only available in sense based rom , and this is the reason that I still use sense...................
I don't like sense at all but I like HTC and the good hardware, I like Nexus but i don't trust LG hardware...
As I said Huawei offer AOSP beside their own UI so where is the problem ?
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didn't even know that existed... but that's very minute.. you're right htc does make the best hardware, and just because one OEM allows you to choose aosp doesn't mean all will. That's the reason there's a distinction in phone brands... And if you don't like it thats what us developers are here for so we can make tons of aosp options for ya'll
Looking forward to your sense rom evol4g......
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how would you say that the HTC One S is better than the nexus 4?
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Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.
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Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.
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Well said....+ 1....
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No bugs? Yea dream on, thats never gonna happen as long as its humans who writes the code.
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I'm using it for two weeks now and I got no problem with it. No bugs, fc just pure awesomeness.
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Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.
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That was my thoughts when buying the phone last year. The One S looks and feels unique, and the screen size is perfect for normal phone & texting usage. I had the option to pickup the Galaxy S III for $50 more, but the Sense UI felt smoother to me - not to mention the camera app.
I have been wondering about this for awhile now and can't seem to understand why so many people are crazy about stock android on their devices. I do understand why people buy nexus devices only due to timely updates n all. I guess not just for updates but I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons. My main question is why do so many people prefer it even on their devices that aren't running stock? I look at Sense' UI and to me personally, I like their setup of how fast and easy it is to add apps or widgets to a home screen. Or how good the camera is, far better then any nexus device IMO. And a couple other things. Or touchwiz. I still haven't owned a device that had touchwiz but I've played around with the Note 2 and GS3 and tbh, I'm not really crazy about their UI. But the features, holy smokes they are awesome! And then there is just plain ol stock. I have a Galaxy Nexus and when I first bought it I was super happy and excited. I'm running a 4.2.2 ROM on it and its OK n all. But to me, it just feels naked and kinda boring now. Sure, I can flash all sorts of added features and what not but still I'm just like shmeh. I feel the skins over stock makes it so much better IMO. With so many more options to choose from when it comes to features. I look at all the features the Note 2 has and people buy it, root it, then bam CM10 is now running on the device with less features then what the phone comes with. Anyways that's my rant for today. And by no means am I doggin on pure stock or hate it. Just sharing my opinions about what I think is better but don't understand why so many people choose it on their devices that have a skin on top. I would love to see some feedback on this. Thanks
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I have an s3 and if you've used touchwiz for an extended period of time, you'd see how bad it is. Sure the camera features are awesome, but it's a really heavy firmware with a lot of bugs, lag, and bloatware. Your phone will easily average 1 gb of ram with touchwiz. As for why I switched to stock Android (cm 10.1), I guess it was one of the more popular and well known custom roms when I decided to flash. I wouldn't be opposed to trying an AOKP ROM because all the extra options, but I'm not sure if I need it. What I'm trying to say is less is never a bad thing. Well this is my opinion at least. Hope it helps.
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Because stock android is beautiful and clean while overlays like sense clog it up and slow it down
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Personally, I like AOSP, but it's not a deciding factor for me. I prefer an S3 and especially my Note 2 over any Nexus device. Why?
1. Touchwiz adds useful features.
2. S-Pen and huge screen are more than enough to win me over.
3. In the case of the Nexus 4, I like the huge REMOVABLE battery in the Note 2 and expandable storage (yes, they're a big deal to me).
4. I can flash AOSP if I want. Yes, on a lot of devices, there are usually more bugs running CM/AOKP/PA than if you just bought a Nexus device, but it's still an option.
5. Samsung releases quick updates. Quicker than any other OEM, besides Nexus devices. Hell, there's even a leaked 4.2.2 (or .1, I forget) update floating around.
6. Alternative launchers and mods for stock ROMs can remove ugly OEM themeing. Look up Jelly Bean Domination for the Galaxy S3 i9300. It looks EXACTLY like AOSP. Here's a screenshot of JBD running on my retired Galaxy S3. This is Touchwiz. Also look up JKay mod; it's a framework mod with an app that lets you change SO many features, it's like being on a Nexus device: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7r0xpl0zdm03x8/2013-04-01 21.11.03.png
7. For me at least, I don't like on-screen buttons unless you have a Note 2-sized device, because it takes up screen real-estate. I'm aware of PIE-menu for CyanogenMod, but I find it impractical because it requires more button presses than just hitting a button.
8. Ridiculous battery life, even with heavy usage. After 3 hours of screen-on time and data usage pretty much every time the screen is on, I still have 65% battery life after 8 hours off the charger. That's with the stock 3100 mAh battery and the 5.5 inch screen. On top of that, I have the LTE radio on at all times because you can't turn it off on the AT&T model (the modem is locked by AT&T). And at any time I can replace the battery with another one or use an extended one.
To me the hardware comes first, because it can't be changed after the fact. The software...Well that's why we're all on XDA. Because we want to and we can change it. I'm not saying that Nexus devices are inferior or vice versa; I'm saying that having tried a Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4, I wasn't completely satisfied with them. For most people they're perfect. But I demand more, and that's why I love my Galaxy Note 2.
Thanks for the responses everyone See I personally am getting sick and tired of my galaxy nexus especially the battery. I have an extended battery that's a 2100 mah. I know its not a whole lot more, but its still horrible. I don't want a bulky ext battery. I guess I'm kind of a heavy user. Kinda Lol I don't play games a whole lot other than scramble with friends words with friends. Games like that. I do calls, messages, Facebook, and YouTube but gosh the battery is just terrible on the nexus I don't care what anyone says. I want the Note 2 so bad. I want a bigger screen, a big battery that can easily last me throughout my day no matter how much I use it. SD slot is always nice too. I'm really not a huge fan of touchwiz but you're right. I can use launchers to cover it up and yet still keep the awesome features the Note 2 has to offer. My phone is starting to get a bit sluggish on me lately. I click on an app, it take 2 to 3 seconds to open it up. Drives me NUTS Lol. When I played with the note 2 it was so fast and smooth and, amazing. Again thanks for the responses guys I appreciate it
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Thanks for the responses everyone See I personally am getting sick and tired of my galaxy nexus especially the battery. I have an extended battery that's a 2100 mah. I know its not a whole lot more, but its still horrible. I don't want a bulky ext battery. I guess I'm kind of a heavy user. Kinda Lol I don't play games a whole lot other than scramble with friends words with friends. Games like that. I do calls, messages, Facebook, and YouTube but gosh the battery is just terrible on the nexus I don't care what anyone says. I want the Note 2 so bad. I want a bigger screen, a big battery that can easily last me throughout my day no matter how much I use it. SD slot is always nice too. I'm really not a huge fan of touchwiz but you're right. I can use launchers to cover it up and yet still keep the awesome features the Note 2 has to offer. My phone is starting to get a bit sluggish on me lately. I click on an app, it take 2 to 3 seconds to open it up. Drives me NUTS Lol. When I played with the note 2 it was so fast and smooth and, amazing. Again thanks for the responses guys I appreciate it
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As another ex-Galaxy Nexus user (though my last phone was the S3), get the Note 2. It's like living a dream. Touchwiz on the Note 2 adds so many features, and the launcher is the only crappy part. I'm using Nova launcher on mine. The notification bar is actually nice with the toggles on top. The S-Pen is crazy in terms of features it adds. It's not a regular stylus. The digitizer and stylus are made by Wacom; you can for example scroll with the stylus just hovering it above the screen. And in terms of battery life, this thing will get you through OVER a day. It's crazy. Get one, you won't regret it. I think this is the best phone I've EVER owned.
Ya I really really want the note 2. I just wish it didn't cost so freaking much. I'm due for an upgrade on Verizon. But I really don't wanna give up my unlimited. Although I'm not to worried about it of I lose it. But I can get the phone off amazonwireless.com for 200. Which is great. I might end up doing that. I too dislike the on-screen buttons. Sometimes they don't work like they should. I love the s-pen on the note 2. I think I'm gonna get it Lol I want to right now
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Ya I really really want the note 2. I just wish it didn't cost so freaking much. I'm due for an upgrade on Verizon. But I really don't wanna give up my unlimited. Although I'm not to worried about it of I lose it. But I can get the phone off amazonwireless.com for 200. Which is great. I might end up doing that. I too dislike the on-screen buttons. Sometimes they don't work like they should. I love the s-pen on the note 2. I think I'm gonna get it Lol I want to right now
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Wait for the Galaxy S4 to come out this month or early next month, the price should go down substantially. The thing is, the Note 2 is super powerful and super smooth, so even when the S4 is out, the Note 2 is still worthwhile.
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Wait for the Galaxy S4 to come out this month or early next month, the price should go down substantially. The thing is, the Note 2 is super powerful and super smooth, so even when the S4 is out, the Note 2 is still worthwhile.
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I don't know if I can wait another month Lol. But I'm gonna have to probably. And of course the Note 3 will be out later this year and that is gonna be freakin sweet.
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I don't know if I can wait another month Lol. But I'm gonna have to probably. And of course the Note 3 will be out later this year and that is gonna be freakin sweet.
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I still have a Samsung galaxy s1 lol
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Well for me it is a matter of developement. I have had every galaxy device and currently own an s3 9300 (until I can sell it for a nexus.)
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I prefere htc sense over every UI
My very first android device was the htc g2/vision/desire z (call it what you want xD) and it still is alive, but I run CM10.1, cus the RAM there is way too little for sense 4 (and that's imo the best sense ui ever) and now I got the htc mytouch 4G slide (yeees I'm a hw keyboard lover) and here sense 4 is very smooth
Had a galaxy s between but bricked it anyway...but there the first thing I looked for was a sense port
There was one but the devs kinda stopped (guess cus of RAM or sth)
Now I'm on my mytouch 4G slide on a CM10.1 ROM again, cus the sense ROMs lag too much, and the devs are mostly gone, but I themed it with widgetlocker and CM themes as close to sense as possible
Greets Vauvenal7
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Vauvenal7 said:
I prefere htc sense over every UI
My very first android device was the htc g2/vision/desire z (call it what you want xD) and it still is alive, but I run CM10.1, cus the RAM there is way too little for sense 4 (and that's imo the best sense ui ever) and now I got the htc mytouch 4G slide (yeees I'm a hw keyboard lover) and here sense 4 is very smooth
Had a galaxy s between but bricked it anyway...but there the first thing I looked for was a sense port
There was one but the devs kinda stopped (guess cus of RAM or sth)
Now I'm on my mytouch 4G slide on a CM10.1 ROM again, cus the sense ROMs lag too much, and the devs are mostly gone, but I themed it with widgetlocker and CM themes as close to sense as possible
Greets Vauvenal7
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I used to love Sense before it hit android but what HTC did to it on android is just really sad.
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I used to love Sense before it hit android but what HTC did to it on android is just really sad.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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Oh I am sure it is good if you like the sense look but the color skemes to me are just ugly as all get out. Then you get into themeing it and notice that HTC frameworks are a huge bunch of redundent images and coding that slows sense down alot. If they used the android framework for instead of having 6 of the same images for a button on top of the ones in the android framework then it gets crazy. I have not used Sense in a long time or any custom version of android like TW in a long time. I swear they could double the speed of the UI if they just stopped bloating it.
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TouchFlo 3D made WinMo 6.5 great. Sense 3.5 and below is sort of justifiable since GB wasn't exactly great but it was still slow and heavy. Sense 4 was by far the worst for me, it was very slow and added little functionality over ICS. Sense 4+ was alright but didn't add much to Android; at least it wasn't slow. The new sense seems to be very good to me, since it's light and looks good but I don't like Blinkfeed much at all.
TouchWiz - it went from ugly to uglier to unbearably ugly. I personally can live without the features because most of them are gimmicky to me and the few useful ones don't justify the ugliness.
All other UXes don't add anything to Android.
Basically from that I choose AOSP over everything else any day. I love the Holo UI, it's smooth, it's clean, it's fast and it's stable.
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I like touchwiz lol...
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The thing is that the android experience given to us by TouchWiz(Though I've never used touchwiz, but the launcher looks crap to me) and Sense UIs have been researched by expert marketing people and psychologists. These people find what an average person is comfortable with. If you're an average person, though no one is an average on xdadevelopers cuz they might never be here if they didn't want a change, then you're comfortable with what those devs over HTC and Samsung give you. They make something that is comfortable to use. Frankly, I used to be a huge fan of Sense in my HTC Desire a few months back. That stopped when I started noticing all the theming sections here on this site, and people's screen shots. That's when I found that there is huge world of change looming here. Now that people are here, including you, my friend, we have started appreciating the change, innovativeness, and uniqueness of Android. Then only we have started theming our phones with so many themes, ROMs, widgets, and what-not. A cousin of mine has a galaxy S2, and he is still using the default wallpaper on his S2, just because he's an average user. When people join xda, they are thinking of a revolution, a change.
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The thing is that the android experience given to us by TouchWiz(Though I've never used touchwiz, but the launcher looks crap to me) and Sense UIs have been researched by expert marketing people and psychologists. These people find what an average person is comfortable with. If you're an average person, though no one is an average on xdadevelopers cuz they might never be here if they didn't want a change, then you're comfortable with what those devs over HTC and Samsung give you. They make something that is comfortable to use. Frankly, I used to be a huge fan of Sense in my HTC Desire a few months back. That stopped when I started noticing all the theming sections here on this site, and people's screen shots. That's when I found that there is huge world of change looming here. Now that people are here, including you, my friend, we have started appreciating the change, innovativeness, and uniqueness of Android. Then only we have started theming our phones with so many themes, ROMs, widgets, and what-not. A cousin of mine has a galaxy S2, and he is still using the default wallpaper on his S2, just because he's an average user. When people join xda, they are thinking of a revolution, a change.
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Well I'm no average user in fact I even build aokp and I'm running CyanogenMod 10.1 but touchwi just seems fluid to me idk why
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I think it all comes down to what people prefer personally. That's why I love android and all the options to choose from. But honestly, hardly any main consumers out there that don't know about rooting n all that, don't really care or know perhaps, about theming ect ect. They just want what either everyone else has, (IPhone) and now the s3 or Note 2 or big screen and oh awesome it can do this and that. Not much do people wonder about processors this 1080ppi that Lol. There is a lot more people that don't care about that stuff then there are people who are here on XDA. I wish I was sorta like them cuz I wouldn't be so crazy about flashing ROMS and/or wanting the latest and greatest phone Lol. But I'm proud to be a bit of a nerd and knowing what I have and how good(or bad) my device is.
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I think it all comes down to what people prefer personally. That's why I love android and all the options to choose from. But honestly, hardly any main consumers out there that don't know about rooting n all that, don't really care or know perhaps, about theming ect ect. They just want what either everyone else has, (IPhone) and now the s3 or Note 2 or big screen and oh awesome it can do this and that. Not much do people wonder about processors this 1080ppi that Lol. There is a lot more people that don't care about that stuff then there are people who are here on XDA. I wish I was sorta like them cuz I wouldn't be so crazy about flashing ROMS and/or wanting the latest and greatest phone Lol. But I'm proud to be a bit of a nerd and knowing what I have and how good(or bad) my device is.
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You are right. We here make up less then 1% of the people that use android. Just have to wait for the hype to die down and then people will go back to their iphones soon enough.