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The Sensation is turning out to be a dud

I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.

People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

+1 awesome post. I agree 100%.
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I think most phones out now have nearly as many issues being complained about on the forums. I haven't noticed any major lag in sensation vids except a couple where they show it being booted up. Every phone I've owned so far had had at least SOME lag to it, especially when booting.
Except for the 1gb of useable internal storage, I really like the phone. My wifes mt4g and my old g2 didn't have much of an issue with that much space.
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I have to agree with the post above. I didn't get the phone for vanilla android. I got it for dual core power, the 8mp camera with autofocus and flash, the 4 inch screen, and HDMI out. like I said, the hardware is so polished, but the software is not. and some stuff out there doesn't even work right, like the toggle widgets on beautiful widgets.

thats what people keep saying but
tackleberry said:
People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.
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i hear this less than 1/2 of 1% all the time. i find it hard to believe that htc would come out and say they are opening bootloaders to please 1/2 of 1% of users.
while this may be true with all android phones i think this % is low for the g line of tmobile phones. and other high tech ones.
I agree though many like sense because its pretty. thats why there are so many copycat clock/weather apps out so we can get it without the rest of the bloat.
i havent had a phone with any of them coming from the droid to the g2x both stock.
but from everything i have read it seems that the only one i see with complaints of causing serious lag with the phones is motoblur.
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.

This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2

eagle1967 said:
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.
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Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII

BarryH_GEG said:
This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2
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That's highly amusing - our "outdated" Tegra 2 phones running a whole 200MHz slower than the Sensation and Evo 3D - spank the hell out of both and that's not even with Gingerbread...

I have to disagree with the ideas here. I bet a large percentage of iPhone users are jailbroken.
Same with android. I know so many people with androids now and I've been asked if I can root and flash an updated rom for them.
These are random house wives and joe smoes. Android is known for its customization and people take advantage of that.
As far as the sensation, I wrote it off my list a while ago. Too many negatives with just hardware specs let alone what software bugs are found. Still no root or unlocked bootloaders.
I'm following the sgs2 and they seem to be making some headway. Root and custom CWM kernels. I don't think they have much on the custom roms yet. Ouch though, their methods are complicated ones. Seems like a pain.
I don't think I'd trade my G2x for a SGS2 but it would be a first choice if the G2x was magically unavailable.
G2x CM7.1 style - Android 2.3.4

bluemoon737 said:
Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII
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...but Samsung Hercules (Infuse with dual-core CPU) is coming.

Do you remember I made a thread few days ago after I tested Sensation, but that one I complained for the poor LCD (SLCD please).

I totally switched from the Cliq 2 to the G2x mainly based off having Vanilla Android, the Cliq was my first android phone, I had it for a month, and just couldn't stand motoblur.

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...but Samsung Hercules (Infuse with dual-core CPU) is coming.
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Too big!! The SGSII not coming to TMO makes no sense.

I got this phone because I knew I can do so much to it, I can't lie the UI setting HTC offers is nice but I look for more than the interface and such, Iam interested in the processor, the advantages of the rooting process, and the speed of the phone. Besides we can still make our phones look nice with custom roms and themes so Iam happy with my g2x
TMobile G2X
ROM Version: Cyanogenmod7

Just because people ask for root it does not mean they should have it because they have no clue.
My estimate is probably very low but you get the idea.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

jrwingate6 said:
I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.
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-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...

I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.

Mikeglongo said:
I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.
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You cant really compare them directly because Android and iOS offer different user experiences. They're both good devices but iOS obviously isnt for everyone and neither is Android.

JWhipple said:
-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...
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In all reality, there aren't that many issues. Minor screen bleed and wonky battery driver. As long as you the screen bleed isn't bad, the phone is pretty solid. The battery driver is being fixed by the great devs over in the Android Development section.
At least the GPS isn't worthless, or the cellular screwed up, or the bootloader encrypted, or limited touch screen multi-touch.
When put into perspective other other phones and their issues, the G2x is a pretty solid phone. Nothing a little polish from XDA can't make shine.

I'm a bit disappointed....

Bear in mind that I come from a Desire HD running Cordedroid V6.8...;-))
On the plus, the screen and resolution look great....
But:
- it's somehow less responsive, I feel that on occassion it feels like I really have to bang the screen
- sense 3.0 is laggy
- the keyboard is laggy
- scrolling, whether through sreens or in widgets, isn't smooth...
In honesty, it reminds me of my first stock Galaxy S...
Am I the only one ?
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ilgrande said:
Am I the only one ?
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if the 8348235923497834 other threads that rehash these issues are any indication, then no.

Don't worry. It's HTC's rubbish stock ROM. I made a thread about it: Clicky!
Once we get optimized ROMs on here, this thing is gonna fly

I've come from dhd as well, and can honestly say I'm not suffering from any of these problems.
Just like when I got my dhd, my main concern was the screen. I can safely say that I'm more than happy with the screen on the sensation.
To me, this is the DHD with its small niggles (lack of ffc, screen resolution) corrected.
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I finally got my hands on a live Sensation today and I see what you're describing, but I'd call it jittery rather than laggy. My Vibrant is laggy, meaning it can take seconds to respond. What I saw on the Sensation just playing for a few minutes is it's not perfectly smooth scrolling between home screens, it's just slightly jerky, or stuttery. I saw it on web pages as well. There was only one widget running on the demo, but I did turn off animation in the settings, and it made no difference.
I wouldn't call it a deal killer, and I assume it's fixable with another launcher, or certainly a tweaked up ROM, but people reporting this aren't nuts, or OCD.
What I was impressed with is the speed of loading Google maps and scrolling around, plus the screen resolution. It's like the speed is in there, but in some parts of the UI it's being tripped up.

Sense 3.0, while having a lot of nice features, just doesn't seem complete/polished yet. In addition, the OS can't really use the dual core to its full potential. Things will get better with updates.

Try using G1 for a month or two and then try Sensation... man that thing is fast.
Although, I do feel it's not as responsive as my old MT4G with CM7 on it.

im still waiting on mine ill get it on monday , im coming from an hd2 running hyperdroid ,take your pick on his builds they are both screaming fast so i knew that couildnt be matched by a stock rom , my wife works there and ive played with the store model a bunch , i wouldnt say lag either just stuttery , but at times its really fast , either way the screen is definately an upgrade along with 1080 p recording and the front facing camera, i think people expect wayyyyy tooo much from phones ...remember they are just phones ,remember where we were just 10 years ago , just think where we will be in another 10 years , i want my next phone to make me breakfast in bed and im settling for no less

ilgrande said:
Bear in mind that I come from a Desire HD running Cordedroid V6.8...;-))
On the plus, the screen and resolution look great....
But:
- it's somehow less responsive, I feel that on occassion it feels like I really have to bang the screen
- sense 3.0 is laggy
- the keyboard is laggy
- scrolling, whether through sreens or in widgets, isn't smooth...
In honesty, it reminds me of my first stock Galaxy S...
Am I the only one ?
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Yes... I have played with a Sensation and it is slower then my Desire HD running unity... (sense 3.0)
The Issue is 1.2ghz with 35% more pixels. The dual core does not come into effect at all.
All your lag is based on that... You are BASICLY... getting a slower device until Ice cream comes out...
To those who say that their device is NOT slower then a Desire HD.. Well I call you a fat Liar.

Never had dhd, so no comment, besides the fact that the phone is fast. Yes there is some minimal lag, but eh, I'm sure its software related and will get patched soon, this phone is very well built, love the design too. I'm happy with my purchase.

ive ran sense roms on my hd2 and it seems like any version of sense has a lil lag , really not a big deal

tigerz0202 said:
ive ran sense roms on my hd2 and it seems like any version of sense has a lil lag , really not a big deal
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I agree..maybe they got some bad ones. My Sensation doesn't have any lag at all and jittery stuff they mention...No reboots or dead pixels...I suggest they do a warranty exchange or better yet do a return to the store.
Like the guy a couple posts back said...Try a G1 for a week then go back to this and you'd feel silly saying its jarry. lol

Thanks for sharing, and obviously, considering similar posts, it seems to be more of a sofware issue if anything else...
The keyboard-lag was.simply fixed by using gingebread keyboard iso the HTC-one.
Another plus, when it comes to web browsing, I've never had such a fast and smooth experience on a phone !!!
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[Q] [ICS] Where did the stopwatch/timer/sleep timer go in ICS?

Where did these features go in ICS? They used to be under the Clock app in Froyo/GB. Any help appreciated
I am on Kwiboo's ICS ROM v2

Hmm, i haven't seen those in the clock app except on sense. I always just downloaded the stopwatch & timer app from the market.
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Well that would explain. It. I came over from the EVO4g a few weeks ago and today was the first time I needed a countdown timer.
Off to the market I go!

Wow... I'm exactly like you. Coming from the incredible, I feel like this Nexus is a piece of crap. Clock app sucks compared to sense, as does the dialer. And dont even get me started on Android widgets vs sense ones. Nothing replaces that sense news widget...

gerodive said:
Wow... I'm exactly like you. Coming from the incredible, I feel like this Nexus is a piece of crap. Clock app sucks compared to sense, as does the dialer. And dont even get me started on Android widgets vs sense ones. Nothing replaces that sense news widget...
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Nothing replace the amount of RAM Sense is taking neither ;-)
Stock Android lead the way !

kooskoos1814 said:
Nothing replace the amount of RAM Sense is taking neither ;-)
Stock Android lead the way !
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TOTALLY worth it IMO. I find new things I can't do in stock that I was taking for granted with my Sense DInc almost every day. Plus phones today come with so much absurd ROM and processing power that the chunk sense takes is virtually meaningless.

gerodive said:
TOTALLY worth it IMO. I find new things I can't do in stock that I was taking for granted with my Sense DInc almost every day. Plus phones today come with so much absurd ROM and processing power that the chunk sense takes is virtually meaningless.
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Sense, and others like it, are the reason phones need that much rom, procesing power. Pure android is way better then all that other crapp.
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p.pavljasevic said:
Sense, and others like it, are the reason phones need that much rom, procesing power. Pure android is way better then all that other crapp.
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What you said makes no sense (no pun intended). You admit phones now come with adequate ROM and processing power to handle Sense (yes, perhaps because of the strenuous requirements of it), but then claim stock is better anyway? So I'm assuming you believe it's better to run Windows 95 instead of Windows 7 on a modern computer because even though the tech is up to handling the better stuff, sparing system resources is the only thing that counts?

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What you said makes no sense (no pun intended). You admit phones now come with adequate ROM and processing power to handle Sense (yes, perhaps because of the strenuous requirements of it), but then claim stock is better anyway? So I'm assuming you believe it's better to run Windows 95 instead of Windows 7 on a modern computer because even though the tech is up to handling the better stuff, sparing system resources is the only thing that counts?
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If you look at the talk about the samsung galaxy not being updated to ics because of not having sufficient memory while the ns already got it altough the two phones are almost identical....well it speaks for it self that all that bloatware kills off a good phone.
Nowhere in my comment did i mention stock i reffered to pure android as it comes from google and since i dont like rooting ( read have company software installed on my phone) i am stuck to stock.
I like to have some hardware to spare instead of running on the edge.
But Micro$oft, come on......
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Coming from the HTC Desire Z, which in Dec 2010 was a new and high-end device, ive gotta say my Galaxy Nexus (really wish I could say Nexus Prime) definitely blows it away. I know the RAM and cpu differences are huge, but even so. The thing struggled to run sense without slowing to a crawl after getting to around 30 apps installed. Switching to GOLauncher helped for a while but that was just a bandaid solution. I love the phone but HTC really needs to streamline things. Also, I do miss the clock app, which is how i stumbled upon this . Having it be oem and not third party pleased me.

How did a "where is the timer?" thread turn into a "sense vs stock" thread?
Sense is nice. If a phone can run it smoothly, then why not have it? It's really just a matter of preference and OPINION.
Though granted, my opinion is that I like stock Android better =p but hey, the option is nice.

One of the reasons that vanilla Android is feature light is to promote growth in the Market. If Android were released with every function that you can imagine, and they were all perfect, there would be little need for a Market and devs would go elsewhere.
I've always preferred a 'lite' ROM that you can then add to as you see fit. Want a Stopwatch/Timer? Choose from any one of dozens found on the market today. You have so much choice that you can find one you prefer and use that, rather than having to use one that you had no choice in, and can't get rid of because it was on the phone when you bought it. It's easier to add what you want than it is to remove the bloat that you don't.

Disgruntled Sensation owner

I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?

I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to

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I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.

gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up

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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.

simms22 said:
your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.

tehgeekguy said:
I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw

I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.

morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)

tehgeekguy said:
For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.

gonintendo said:
I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.

tehgeekguy said:
Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.

My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G

gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.

unfnknblvbl said:
I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).

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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.

unfnknblvbl said:
I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.

I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).

htc sensation with native ICS

I hate sense. I hate it so much that I am ready to get rid of the phone even though overall it is a great phone. Who in their right mind thinks dragging a circle into a ring is intuitive? Most of my friends cant figure out how to anser my phone and they own other android phones. I have now had this phone for about 6 months. My previous phones were the Nexus One, which was awesome, and had i not dropped and broke the screen I would still be using that phone. T-mobile replaced it with a galaxy s which was a complete POS which led to this phone. I want to root my phone, and install ice cream sandwich (ICS), or at least native android but I do not want sense. Every thread I have found on here all seem to include the sense with ICS. Can someone point me to a ROM that will meet my needs?

To root: [Guide] to Installing S-off, Unlocking, ClockWork, Root, SuperCID & S-on
I'm currently running ARHD 4.1.9 with a no sense add on script.
This link here: [ROM] Android Revolution HD™ 5.0.2 XE | ICS | Sense 3.5 | High Quality & Performance
will direct you to the downloads for a good ICS rom install.
This link: ARHD No Sense Script
Is the add on you flash straight after you flash the rom to remove the sense script (don't reboot CWM or 4EXT flash straight after). It will give you standard android with Go Launcher EX.
It's good as a daily.

Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
Edit: I want to make it clear, I'm not trying to hate or be a condescending douche, I'm just trying to see a different perspective. I actually don't mind Sense, but it depends how it's done. None of the 3.5 roms run great for me, ARHD 3.x seems to be the only rom that does Sense right. Smooth and fast, lag free.

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Soon enough, CM9 will be available if you're willing to wait. It's AOSP 4.0 and apparently it's progressing nicely. Now, I don't want to ask this, but why buy an HTC if you hate Sense? I know AOSP is out there, but there are better phones with AOSP (GNexus, for example). I mean, half of the Sensations have "WITH HTC SENSE" right on the battery housing.
I don't get it. HTC makes Sense, it's what differentiates HTC from others, why buy an HTC if you hate Sense?
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Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense

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Because they make great hardware? Because the Sensation is way better in terms of build quality, materials quality and weight balance than the Galaxy S II(which was the other phone I was considering). I've had several HTCs (Qtek 9100, HTC Diamond, HTC Desire, HTC Sensation) and they are all exceptionally well built.
The Diamond was the first phone where they started bundling some crappy "shell"(early version of Sense, but the name was different) on top of the Windows OS. It was really pointless for me, so I just disabled it(it was much easier back then - Settings > Today > Plugins, and you're ready ) After the Diamond I used an Nokia E51 for a while, and then bought the Desire... a nice phone indeed, but something was not right... After I downloaded and flashed CM6 for the first time I never went back to Sense again, Sense just looks ridiculous to me...
And when I bought the Sensation I used it for around 5 minutes with Sense, just to give it a try, but it was still the same $#!7.
So I, and a lot of other more advanced users, hate Sense. It is what differentiates HTC for the beginner and average user. For the advanced user the competitive advantage of HTC is their materials and build quality. And and HTC makes a great device to run CyanogenMod on(the best Android distro).
PS The Nexus S is a great phone, but I wanted the extra screen real estate and the dual-core CPU. The Galaxy Nexus is even better, but it wasn't available when I bought my Sensation. The HTC Nexus One was available when I bought my Desire, but it was 120 Euro more expensive, and I really dislike capacitive buttons(sadly, they seem to be the standard these days)
So this is basically why someone would buy HTC, and hate Sense
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Sense 3.0 is the thing what made me buy HTC Sensation... believe me, even my wife bought a Xperia Arc "after" using my old Desire HD for a while... and she made me sell it at a loss after a weeks time...and got a Sensation XE...
If you hate Sense so much, go for SII ..... but i simply cannot live without Sense ... there is so much in it...

Why should I buy SII when I don't like the hardware? Crappy plastic, horribly light, otherwise a decent phone. I don't mind Sense being loaded when I buy the phone, as long as I can install whatever I want after that. After all I do realize that Sense is a major selling point for HTC. A lot of non-technical users love it, and there is nothing wrong with that. A lot of non-technical users also like Windows, and that's why the PC business is what it is today, but still I wouldn't use it even for a day
Also, when you say that there is so much in Sense you obviously haven't tried CyanogenMod... there are settings and customizations which I(and probably you also) didn't even suspected to exist, while using Sense...
Have a nice day, and use whatever makes more sense to you, after all that's why we use an open system

Not all HTC phones have Sense. I guess you miss my post about having a Nexus One? That is an HTC phone.. No sense, just native Android, and it was flawless. I had 4 samsung galaxys and they all had problems within 4 months and 1 of them lasted 2.5 months before it failed. So basically I had 1 fail after 2 months then every one after that had issues within a few days to a week of getting it in the mail. After reading the reviews of the galaxy nexus, i am not interested. Same cheap feel as the current and previous galaxy and they still have the same problems as the previous versions. I just read a thread about how tapping the galaxy nexus phone causes it to buzz/vibrate. I had the same problem with 2 of my galaxy phones, not to mention none of them worked with GPS even after installing the samsung "fix", and then resorting to changing the server settings ect.. Samsung makes great displays, too bad the only quality part is the screen. This phone was sent to me as a replacement to my galaxy so I really didnt buy it. Other than HTC, at this point there really is no alternative. In my opinion no other manufacturer makes a quality phone so that is why i choose HTC as a manufacturer. I also knew if I didnt like the phone, once rooting was available I could root it and install native android which is why I am here.

To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.

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Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS

For answering the phone, u may either drag the answer call ball into the ring
or just simply drag the ring like unlocking the phone
Sense is HTC's biggest weapon
without sense, HTC may die decades ago

I guess that makes sense. I never really noticed their hardware was that much better, but sounds solid to me.

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woah! Sounds like you're going to pop a blood vessel! If you hate sense that much.. You can use the "no-sense" scripts which should do the job for the most part! You wouldn't have to deal with that stupid ring haha, try that. You lose most sense features (which isn't what you're looking for anyway) and it's still good! Some guys have developed roms that they just get rid of sense for. Check those out once you root your phone. I would advise not going for ICS yet or the roms with sense 3.5 until they're stable (That's just my opinion though) Sense 3.0 gives me 1day + of battery life and I'm not even being careful with it. Sense 3.5 gives about 18 hours with less usage and effs with my gps a bit. When you root it, my suggestion is sense 3.0 rom DE-SENSED and go from there!
The guy who posted right after you showed you what to do as well and that's for ICS
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No, not mad at all but Im sure you saw only 1 post was on topic, (the one you mentioned and the one below was kind of on topic) the others were people trying to explain why they like sense and basically telling me if I didnt like sense I should have bought a samsung. I have had this phone for 6 months, and gave it a chance (which was stated in the first post). I have used sense for 6 months and I still dont like it. I don't need other peoples opinion on why sense is good, or how their wife made them sell their phone. What does any of that have to do with me rooting my phone and installing ICS, or a rom without sense? None of those replies address the point of this thread. I want this thread to stay on track, not turn into a "I love sense" VS "I hate sense thread". I think its pretty obvious, that is the direction it was headed.
Thank you for the information. I will probably try simply removing sense from the phone first as you suggested. I dont need ICS, I just figured since I was going to root, ICS would be better. I also know ICS is coming soon with OTA. I might simply wait for that, then remove sense. I am assuming the script will work for the OTA since it works to remove sense 3.5 from the current rom floating around.

See how you get on with CM7. It's not ICS and development may have ceased in favour of CM9, but for me it's clean, fast and solid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258543

holy crap thats a long thread... 500+ pages? WOW! Seems like a lot of people are using that. Thanks!!!

Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

rumors are rumors. there was a thread or post somewhere stating that sense on ics will toned/slimmed down since ics already has most of the features. I believe sense 3.5 was added to ics so they can work out the bugs. Well only time will tell though. Lets just see when it gets release lol.

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Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. But again I dont understand why this is becoming a "Why I like sense" thread...
The rings are not intuitive. It requires you be familiar with the phone (which by definition makes it not intuitive) and as much as I dislike the Iphone and apple products in general, I can pick up any Iphone no matter what generation and use it without issue, and I sure as heck dont have to "figure out" how to answer the phone when it rings. Same goes for any native android phone, but the vast majority of people who pick up my phone have to ask how to unlock it. Having a red decline button and a green answer button requiring them to be pulled into a ring is not intuitive. However, a green button that says answer and a red button that says decline that you press to perform the action stated on the button, I find intuitive. I have no problem answering the phone, or using the phone, but I have found certain things about sense I just dislike as a whole, especially after using native android on my nexus one. The lock/unlock ring, and answer buttons are just the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion, all android phones should have the option to use native android, or the manufacturers GUI and I hope Google implements that.

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To everyone arguing why sense is good: Just because YOU like sense doesn't mean the rest of us do. Why are you even responding in this thread? The name of this thread isnt "Convince me why Sense is good" If you aren't going to provide information relative to the topic, please stop responding. Your responses are starting to turn this thread into an argument and that is not the intention of this thread.
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Dude. Calm down. I don't particularly like Sense either, but it sure is pretty and fun to play around with for a bit.
The bad news is there's no real 'native' (I assume you mean AOSP) ICS out there yet. There's the 'Voldemort ROM' that we're not allowed to discuss or link to here, but it's not usable yet. If you're really desperate for ICS, you could try out Virtuous Inquisition from the development section. It's the Sense-ICS leak but it's had almost all of Sense stripped out. It's far far better than I was expecting it to be, but it's not without its bugs.
Your best bet would be to just install CyanogenMod 7 and wait for KMobs to release CM9 for us - when it's ready.
Edit: Hah! I didn't even see there was a second page!

Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and happy new year in advance. I pray to God that our Sensation should get all the upgrades as early as possible like native ics.