Which is better let the debate begin !!!
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Let the debate die already.
I played around with the gs2, bionic, axtrix 2 and razor. They all perform just like our device but the screen on the Razor was just beautiful! I'm sure once gb officially comes out worldwide it'll perform a tad smoother.
GS2 for speed and better screen, better camera
LG Optimus for 3D thats it
The galaxy note is better then both
don't even bother to compare. The O3D is the stupidest phone I ever had. Expensive in that time, LG rushed its production with outdated Android version. The stupid phone squeak between the screen and the back housing which does not feel solid as all the reviewers claimed. The stupid rom never work with my country's network data, it is pretty much unusable, what I get is complete data lock throughout the days. I tried with the original rom, it was the same. Yes, the 3D is amazing, just buy this phone treat it as a portable 3D device, forget about its phone features, how cool! It was claimed to be sophisticated, wow, with everything dual channels, how sluggish it is when switching between camera modes, and 3d modes, what a joke. Some of the apps can't even work properly and sluggish due to the older Android? or the poor driver support? I don't know. I'm no phone developer here, but damn it, I'm experienced with many Android phones, if this phone is claimed to be one of the fastest phone, dream on! It is not in many ways. I can life with many issues, but it is not expected for a so called high end phone, and I've been stuck with network data which this phone just can't work for me.
I've switched to Galaxy s2, don't ever tell me all the bull**** quadrant scores between phones, I don't even bother to see those numbers, it is irrelevant in actual use. The Galaxy S2 is entirely a different beast. It works the best with every single things, every single details, it is fast (extremely fast), stable, it just works! I don't feel a single major problem to complain with S2. I've tons of mixed feelings with the O3D. The Galaxy S2 might at 1st feel lack of confidence with its all plastics build, the battery cover looked like a total joke, it is almost like a piece of paper. But man, how much I realized now that the S2 was perfectly engineered and designed that way, it is awesome, it is thin, slick, extremely lightweight, and it feels really solid in the real world, Samsung is amazing, the S2 tells everything with the sales globally, it has its reasons, very well proven reasons. With a good casing, it still feel more solid and smaller than the O3d without a casing. I'm a very happy user who has switched over to the S2. I'm still extremely joy with it, there are so many things just worked out way better than the O3D, this LG phone is just not there yet, not at all, catch on LG, catch on, you are too far way behind for many reasons.
Try flame me, anyone?? I'm not trying to bash anyone here actually, I feel thankful to whoever who has been participating with creating custom roms, the fixes, and all the forum members who has been staying together and enjoying in the forum together. What I'm bashing is the LG, the company, it is them! Not us!
Completely agree with the above
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don't even bother to compare. The O3D is the stupidest phone I ever had. Expensive in that time, LG rushed its production with outdated Android version. The stupid phone squeak between the screen and the back housing which does not feel solid as all the reviewers claimed. The stupid rom never work with my country's network data, it is pretty much unusable, what I get is complete data lock throughout the days. I tried with the original rom, it was the same. Yes, the 3D is amazing, just buy this phone treat it as a portable 3D device, forget about its phone features, how cool! It was claimed to be sophisticated, wow, with everything dual channels, how sluggish it is when switching between camera modes, and 3d modes, what a joke. Some of the apps can't even work properly and sluggish due to the older Android? or the poor driver support? I don't know. I'm no phone developer here, but damn it, I'm experienced with many Android phones, if this phone is claimed to be one of the fastest phone, dream on! It is not in many ways. I can life with many issues, but it is not expected for a so called high end phone, and I've been stuck with network data which this phone just can't work for me.
I've switched to Galaxy s2, don't ever tell me all the bull**** quadrant scores between phones, I don't even bother to see those numbers, it is irrelevant in actual use. The Galaxy S2 is entirely a different beast. It works the best with every single things, every single details, it is fast (extremely fast), stable, it just works! I don't feel a single major problem to complain with S2. I've tons of mixed feelings with the O3D. The Galaxy S2 might at 1st feel lack of confidence with its all plastics build, the battery cover looked like a total joke, it is almost like a piece of paper. But man, how much I realized now that the S2 was perfectly engineered and designed that way, it is awesome, it is thin, slick, extremely lightweight, and it feels really solid in the real world, Samsung is amazing, the S2 tells everything with the sales globally, it has its reasons, very well proven reasons. With a good casing, it still feel more solid and smaller than the O3d without a casing. I'm a very happy user who has switched over to the S2. I'm still extremely joy with it, there are so many things just worked out way better than the O3D, this LG phone is just not there yet, not at all, catch on LG, catch on, you are too far way behind for many reasons.
Try flame me, anyone?? I'm not trying to bash anyone here actually, I feel thankful to whoever who has been participating with creating custom roms, the fixes, and all the forum members who has been staying together and enjoying in the forum together. What I'm bashing is the LG, the company, it is them! Not us!
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Unfortunately, i completely disagree mate, I own G2 for about 3months then i changed to LG 3D.
Part of your commence i agree some, like the speed and the slimness and light weight, and look cheap coz it's too light and back plasticity..
Designed wise I still think LG, it's better, it's look more expensive than G2.
Battery is about the same.
The interface UI, it's definitely can't beat LG, the 3D UI is a plus,
Also one final point for you that SG2 is out, it's has no 3D.... how can you compare something that has no 3D to the 3D?? it's obvious .......
Omap vs exynos. Tossup. Though, there's now major support on rom end now that the omap proc is streamlined to AOSP, and for the current source (froyo) see my overclocked kernel below. (I've used p920 and p925 kernels interchangeably on my Thrill on the roadrunner rom.
Just pickedup sg2 and must say no huge difference in performance or network speed.... still have my thrill also... ill probably bounce back and forth with them... the thrill was gb overclocked to 1188 and got similiar scores with sg2 unclocked... the 3d is a bonus... I just don't use 3d all the time and I wanted both phones to play with...
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ye man sgs2 is nice fast butthuu is 2D
I love myn p920 3D nice foon 3D
what can I say;
That's one small step for 2D, one giant leap for 3D
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I'm just about at the end of the return period for my upgrade and would like to get a couple of solid opinions on this. I know not a lot is set in stone on the g2, but seeing it listed already on the tmobile site earlier is starting to make me think twice about getting it.
I like the vibrant, but could do with a camera flash and quicker support as far as firmware and updates. It's a little sluggish at times, but I'm sure an update would help cure that. I love the screen and unlike others, I really like how it feels in my hand. I like the g2's camera flash, quicker data capability and I feel like it may get more love from the manufacturer and developers. I don't care about a sliding keyboard, kind of feel like having anything below the screen (like a trackpad) is wasted space and makes the phone larger, and don't like the slightly smaller screen.
What are your thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!
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I think the vibrant has to many pro's on the g2. I wouldn't even consider buying the g2 over the vibrant (or any galaxy s phone)
The minor lag issue that galaxy s phones have will soon come to a complete fix.
Hardware-wise it's not even in the same class.
I love my vibrant but I think I'm gonna upgrade my phone to the G2. The processor is slower and the internal memory isnt much, but how many times do you really actually use the phones' processor to the limit. The screen clarity is amazing but I'm willing to give that up for this phone. Like you said you would probably get more love from manufacturer and developers, plus its HSPA.
My G/F is really set on getting the G2, even though I told her numerous times that that she should get the Vibrant or at least wait until November for the supposed to be released MyTouch HD, but she just gotta have a keyboard.
I was in a similar situation until I saw the G2's specs. Even then I debated on stock android, but I don't need the extra bulk of the keyboard.
To simply put it, you can't read WVGA screens in broad daylight. Being a college student, it's a novelty to be able to see my screen with perfect clarity when the suns out. Super Amoled has an advantage over everything else.
To anyone dumping their Vibrant for the G2, you will be sorry you did it. How could you call that an upgrade?
The G2 weighs more and is thicker than the Epic 4G, funny huh. Oh, and it only has a 1300mAh battery. Overclock that thing to 1ghz and you will drain FAST.
That's what I was thinking too after looking over the pictures some more. It does look much thicker and bulkier from the side profile shots, and a smaller battery can never be a good thing, especially when it's definitely going to get overclocked.
Also unlike other people, I like that it resembles an Iphone 3gs. I've always wanted one, but wouldn't want to go to At&t or use it unlocked on T-Mobile and didn't like the lack of customization.
Guess I'll just be sticking it out with the Vibrant. Thanks for the input guys
So when I bought my Vibrant, I knew this phone was coming soon. I got the Vibrant anyway because of all it was promising to be. (And because I have absolutely no patience whatsoever.)
Well, that Vibrant, other than the beautiful screen, is NOT all it promised. Yes, I can flash ROMs and blah blah blah, but I have no idea what I'm doing in that area, so it's probably not too smart to try in my case. Besides, shouldn't a phone just work? I understand that they will all have issues, but this Vibrant is chock full of 'em!
Anyhoo...just curious to know the opinions of current MT4G owners. Do you find that the "issues", if any, are worth overlooking? The Vibrant has so many. At first, I had no problem saying "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out". I'm realizing over time that not only have they not worked it out, but it's just getting worse over time.
What issues are you having with the vibrant? I only really had a borked GPS. The screen was great, but text was a little fuzzy, which is unfortunately what I do most on a phone. That said, the mt4g just fits and feels better in my hand, vibrant was too awkward and slippery. I still have both, will decide which one to keep... but the Vibrant running on TeamWhiskey's Onyx ROM was super fast. The mt4g felt 'laggy' to me out of the box compared to it and my modded nexus one. I guess we just have to wait for some good roms.
Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)
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... "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out"
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That's the beauty of buying an HTC product - they actually do work out issues.
This phone though, right out of the box it does everything I wanted it to and does it WELL.
I had a Vibrant, got rid of it for a Nexus One (which was a great phone - but this one was better!) - I was tired of the GPS issues and the lack of support, and then what little support they did give had galacticly POOR QA on it.
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Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)
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Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.
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Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.
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This is what I thought as well. But the thing is, the length of the 'lag' in response to my touch actually differs between applications. When I use launcher pro's launcher, it's very quick, but if I'm in say, the settings of the browser menu, or some of the other "mySense themed" things, it's a lot slower to respond I find. Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of anal about speed. Still, I'll reserve judgement until I can get a vanilla ROM on and get rid of this mySense thing. I agree, the phone is really snappy, it's just that some apps are a bit slower to pickup my touch input than others.
Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.
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Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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Oooh, I do like hearing that!
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.
I made the Switch to the MT4G the Laggy-ness of the vibrant + horrible Battery Life and the cluster F%^k that is the froyo updating made me pull the trigger the MT4G is wicked fast the text is easier to read than the vibrant and the MT4G doesn't feel cheap like the vibrant, and the crappy GPS on the vibrant was also a killer, Maybe with the nexus 2 sammy will do better. See ya sammy
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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.
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As far as audio quality through headphones, the Vibrant uses a DSP chip which enhances sound quality. To me, it was the best sounding phone i've ever heard but I hardly ever listen to music from my phone.
I sold my vibrant for the MT4G and i'm happy I did. It has many more features, is much quicker, has perfect GPS and MUCH better battery life.
Vibrant>G2>MT4G
And I'm 100% happy. Im just wishing I would of gotten red.... Lol
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Ok, pretty sure you've all convinced me...I need to make the switch!
If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.
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If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.
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Thank you! More and more I'm realizing that I should definitely ditch the Vibrant. While the screen is absolutely beautiful, I think that seems to be the only thing (as far as my needs go) that the Vibrant has over the MT. I'm sure in the development world there are many, many other things that the Vibrant has over it, but in my little novice world, I think the MT is more for me.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to bash on any vibrant owners but I held a vibrant and it felt like a piece of plastic on my hands with a beautiful display that's all. When I got the mt4g from the moment I felt it in my hands u can tell the quality of this phone has with a nice weight to it. The size imo is the perfect size for my hands and I'm coming from an hd2 4.3inch feels too bulky especially when ur out with ur friends at a party and ur trying to get ur phone out to take pics lol trust me I been there. The mt4g not only feels perfect on ur hands but performs flawlessly with no lag no hangs this baby is meant for all kinds of multitasking u can throw at it overall this phone is a beast!
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I'm not trying to bash the phone either. I truly wanted to love it. I tried to love it. I even have days that I DO love it. Sadly, they are getting farther and fewer between. I need a phone that's going to perform the way I need it to now, not whenever they feel like getting around to it. It's really too bad, because I think the Vibrant has such huge potential.
I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...
i have both phones and from using the mt4g the past two weeks, i'm really torn between the two. but it's good to have to seperate lines for work and home
at any rate, i have found that the vibrant, with root and the right mods/hacks outshines the mt4g in performance. quadrant scores which surpass 3000 are some what proof of that. however, i don't put linpack nor quadrant scores too much on a pedestal because both were designed mainly for testing snapdragon devices.
the vibrant is an incredible device for gaming and video playback. i have tested 3d games and emulators which use tons of memory. my myt4g lags and on almost every psx or snesoidrom that i have using psx or snes emulators v. the vibrant. gameloft games such as sandstorm don't seem to run as smooth either. graphical display on these games look much much better on the vibrant.
out of the box though, the mt4g is plenty fast as i don't really see myself needing to flash custom roms immediately. the gps works flawlessly, no need for lagfixes like the vibrant. even with the custom espresso skin, the myt4g is super fast. on top of that, i seem to get better signal 3 signals vs. the vibrant.
and that's my short review of both phones. right now, i use the myt4g primarily for work as it has exceptional battery life and durability over the vibrant.
i use the vibrant as my personal phone because it's an incredible gaming and media playback device. now, i just need to wait for that new galaxy 2 to come out..
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I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...
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I dont know what ur talking about the buttons feel solid imo unless ur phone came with faulty buttons and in terms of force closing I only had the market close on me once
Before I ask, I know there have been many threads about this topic, but my question is a little more specific than the rest. I get to upgrade my phone sometime in the next few weeks and one of these will be my first android phone. As a young artist, I am mostly looking for a phone which will take quality photos for good reference and preferably one which has video auto focus. I'm also a heavy internet user (about 5 hours a day on iPod Touch) but coming from iOS, I long for flash player. I also like to game a lot so the dual core cpu performance has to be somewhat decent with good speeds (better than my 4th gen touch at least lol). Lastly I'm a big media person with music a videos so I'm looking for a quality screen, support for multiple media formats (specifically mkv), decent speakers, and if possible, support for in-line headphones with volume, FF and RR (optional to come in the box, but if there are alternative working ones, please post below as I haven't found a solution with android devices and working in-line headphones). I've played around with my cousins EVO a lot so I've grown a liking to HTC Sense but I would also like to try out stock android sometime. And after a lot of time reading reviews and comments, I've taken a liking to the Galaxy S II's screen but I'm not a fan of TouchWiz. As previously stated, coming from an iOS user, I'm hoping one of these phones can either match or have greater quality with the screen in terms of brightness and contrast (not so much with resolution but mostly with colors, hue, and saturation). I'm hoping this narrows down the margin between these 3 phones.
P.S. I'm also hoping for one of these to have great dev support since I love to customize and test new tweaks.
EDITED - Also as an additional post, can you explain the batter life of the 3 as best as you can (even considering not having much info about the sensation)
I would say the G2X after LG fixes the Bleeding screen, restarts, and battery life issue. Both the GS2 and Sensatoin both have skins over android to which I've never been a fan of. 1st GS2 Engaget did a review and called it the best smart phone on the planet (the week before g2x was lol) but its made of plastic and its really thin so if the unthinkable happens and you drop the phone changes are its going to get jacked up and touchwiz. 2. Sensation Ive never been a fan of sense its a power hungry beast that needs to be removed. Just look at the battery life of the thunderbolt its really bad.
I had the G2X for a week and I loved it, its solid like my Nexus One it feels like a phone. I dropped it twice once on my tile floor and there were no marks and once on my naked foot to which brought me great pain. (lol) The G2X will have CM7 the galaxy s phones don't have CM support so why do you think that GS2 will? I plan on getting anothe G2x I'm just waiting until the 2nd line of them.
It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
get 2x
coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
i say go for SGS2, it works quite good out of the box and it has a great screen and you will absolutely appreciate the larger screen. Though im not really a fan of touchwiz.
I have g2x and going to return it today for SGS2.
There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
I have the same question, but new phones will probably come out because my next upgrade is in September. I really hate big phones and it seems phones are getting bigger and bigger. I really like the nexus s design (A lot!) And I like stock android, so I think I might wait until the nexus s2 comes out. Hopefully it stays a bit close to the design of the nexus s.
Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Each one of my friends who had a sense phone who switched to a custom rom w/o sense batter life increased alot.
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It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
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Thanks for your input. Also as a CFW PSP user and a Jailbroken iOS user, I like to have a combination of both dev support and media features, so I wouldn't want to leave that out. I'm surprised that only one person gave consideration to the sensation when I stated how it was the only UI I've ever used so far on android, and I read how it had an HRD camera with auto focus video so I thought most would assume that as the better choice, but my only problem with it is how its rumored to not have an unlocked bootloader. I think atm I will go with the g2x but I hope to hear about some alternatives to getting inline music controls to work.
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coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
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Thank you very much! when I saw still photos on the G2X compared to the S II, I thought it looked inferior, but being able to make a photo journal out of it seems to counter that argument. BTW is it possible for the camera to get an update for auto focus video recording like the Galaxy S Vibrant did? For camera usage, that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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i hear a lot of mixed things about bluetooth headphones. even though the sound quality is great and the music controls work, I cannot always depend on headphones which need charging. Having to charge one device already is enough so i am more suited for wired inline in ear headphones.
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There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
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that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
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As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
This is a very good player, plays many formats
http://market.android.com/details?id=net.thefluxstudio.implayer
Player911:
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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Dont just look at numbers (1ghz dual core vs 1.2 dual core) RAM numbers, etc.
It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
Lets not forget Samsung's recent past with its Galaxy S line having broken GPS, wonky file systems that slowed down phones, and bootloaders locked.
I wouldnt just yet say the SGS2 is a better device because how it looks on paper.
>It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
I'm not sure about that. Both use dual Cortex A9s. The difference in hardware between the two is the GPU. We all know Tegra 2 uses GeForce ULP but I'm not sure what the Exynos uses(SGX or Adreno).
I concede my point to your statement about the RAM, since I only recently learnt about memory management in Android (this is my first Android). I'm pretty sure Sammy must have fixed the GPS issues, since if they don't I'd lose all respect for them.
Oh OP, one thing you might want to consider is that the Galaxy S2 does not have an HDMI out port. They say it's got some USB-HDMI cable though.
Also, it depends on your hands. The G2x itself is a pretty big device in my opinion, and seeing that the SGS2 has a 4.3" screen it's going to be much bigger.
Definitely sgs2
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
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Coming from iOS, I am tired of having to convert all of my videos to mp4 format and having little knowledge of android from not having owned one just increases my curiosity on the matter since the SGSII specs list stated that the Exynos processor has more support for video formats than tegra 2. Being able to directly download and play any format is one thing I am looking for in one of these phones so that is why I asked the question. Some of the videos I download are dual audio and subbed mkv's and having to download multiple programs to get the subtitles and audio working on a mobile device is very time consuming so having support for multiple codecs would make things a whole lot easier.
I have been having numerous arguments with people regarding Android vs the rest.
We all know that Android is an operating system, that is used by many phone manufacturers - therefore it CANNOT be compared to iPhone directly and vise versa!
Same thing is about Windows OS.
What I am trying to say is that Android equipment manufacturers have to step up the game. I believe that making a new phone every other month is a BIG NO NO. Especially when the phone is not well tested.
As an example, I own myTouch 4G. First one had a washed out screen and not working Genius button. Second one had a spic of dust under the screen, but lucky for me - it had both good screen and eMMC. So I decided to keep it. Other folks have their phones die on them because of the bad eMMC chip.
Similar issue goes to the G2 (I read about bad eMMC chips). I also heard that Sensation has some issues too!
I witnessed people exchanging up to 7 phones, and yet to get a good one.
On the other hand, Samsung devices are seem to be very plastic on the touch. I did held them in hand. Yes, the screen looks gorgeous, but the phone itself feels bad in the hand.
LG is another story.
I haven't tried or read about SE phones.
You would ask, why the hell did I write this all?
I simply want to voice my opinion. I just sick to see all these phones popping out and then read that one has bad power button, another has 2 types of screen, and then get one of them. I really want to see Android rise up in class!
Heck for not having problems I could have gone with iPhone, but I am an Android fan and chose it because it can do what I need!
I believe with the resources that Samsung, HTC, LG and other have - they can do so much better!
Lets discuss what bad sides Android phones have and what can be improved. I think it is more productive topic than fighting over blindly.
The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
There's nowhere near the level of QC there used to be in the 'real' smartphones - Treos, Communicators, iPAQs etc.
I think they do a pretty good job, there's a fit and finish for just about every taste out there today. The target audience has changed a lot, the userbase has expanded exponentially, plus there are many more manufacturers today, all vying for a slice of the pie - price competitiveness has a lot to do with this, too.
It sucks, but these things are built to be thrown away. Why pump billions of dollars into the fit and finish of something outdated two weeks after it hits the streets? Sucks for us, but 'near enough is good enough' for the manufacturers, and fair enough in my opinion
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The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
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Agreed about Samsung durability, I've dropped my phone on probably every surface and it is still good.
As for android there many problems with the OS. No hardware acceleration is probably big on my list. My nexus runs pretty good but I do notice lag from time to time. Stock browser is a joke to use, hella amounts of lag when viewing pics and forget about even viewing flash, so opera for me.
I hope ICS will live up to the hype, because I'm really digging the Nokia and windows mobile deal. Only time will tell...
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I was rooting for androids latest iteration to blow at least iOS out of the water but if that leaked nexus build is a final it doesn't even look smooth on a nexus device...
Who know?Probably NOT a final build as it as no acceleration. Word is that ICS will have hardware acceleration for both the interface and browser.
We will see.It does look impressive though....
On quality:My HTC Desire is horrendous, all buttons are almost dead, that has to do with quality. On the other hand my Huawei IDEOS X5 is surprisingly good for what i paid for (hint: zero but costs about 199euros).
If you want quality go for a truly expensive and good phone like the gs2, if not buy smething cheaper.
P.S. the buttons on the iphone 4 HAVE problems.3 of my friends went to the applestore to change them.That is not good build quality imho.
Eh, I like dells build quality though they fail as a software company. Honestly though I do hope ics is more impressive than it looked in that video because that was just slow and choppy, then again I guess the default UI of android isn't what's supposed to sell android. It's the customization options available.
I have a HTC Desire HD, and in my oppinion Android+Sense is the best mobile combo. all the good things from android + an awesome HTC skin.
Company's like Samsung don't make skins for their phones. I think that they should start making them. Ans if they do that, i might buy a Samsung phone or something like that after my HTC. But if they dont start making skins, i don´t want them...
i like my desire with htc sense, also like iphone with long time battery.
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The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
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i own HTC devices with metal... and all of them are broken, chipped so badly i have to pull out my sandy paper or file to smooth the metal back out, because the phone shell has been ripped apart after many close encounter with the floor
since i switched to Samsung the plastic design has proven that it can handle the drops much better than the metal
I got an issue with samsung and their software updates.
I've been lucky so far with HTC. Good build quality and frequently updated software.
If I need to trade off iphone quality for the freedom of Android, I will.
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There got to be some military grade glass, that will hold all kinds of abuse. My back cover of Glacier is already swinging from side to side. I really hope that this upcoming Nexus will fix all of the issues I, and many other, have with Android phones build quality.
I still do not get, where did samsung got info that 4.65" screen is good for everyone?
hmm. interesting thread, and views.
my experience hasn't been so great with samsung phones. i had a samsung moment and that thing was terrible. and apparently the gs2 is having some problems as well. users have reported problems with the screen/display having some kind of stain like color on it, and the wifi antenna has also been reported by many to be skittish.
not surprising to me. that's what happens when you push a device out based on deadlines rather than completion of thorough testing. regardless of what company is putting the phone out - HTC, samsung, LG... any of them will have problems if they don't ensure a good testing phase pre-release.
i went from the moment to the evo 3D, and the difference is night and day. and i have handled a gs2 and all i can say is i am not impressed. it feels weak and flimsy and in the end, it's still a samsung to me, with the samsung company behind it. i will never own one. but that's just me.
meanwhile, my evo 3D seems to be just a powerhouse in the performance area. i consistently hit quadrant scores over 4300 and linpack scores of 100+ and RL benchmark is completed in about 18 seconds.
there are merely a couple phones out there putting numbers like that down consistently. i know it is that fast in reality, as well, because performing tasks such as viewing, zipping, and opening pdfs from my work email are done extremely fast, and significantly faster than when the phone wasn't rooted with a custom rom/kernel.
just my opinion, but if you can't see the advantage in power and functionality in the android OS, you are not using your phone for anything other than playing games and texting.
I played this bubble game, it's fun. After a few rounds I found myself always stopped in the middle by the app ad and when I restarted the game, the previous records were all gone. Annoying!
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I played this bubble game, it's fun. After a few rounds I found myself always stopped in the middle by the app ad and when I restarted the game, the previous records were all gone. Annoying!
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I love the relevance! Made my day so far
I agree with most of your arguments, but there's nothing we can do about it.
Manufacturers are still going to release one smartphone per month because people are used to buy tons of different phones to show to their friends.
More smartphones = more profit.
Doesn't matter if for the market it would be a lot better to play with only one "model" like iPhone does.
Let's hope that Google's Nexus can step up its game and be the iPhone rival.
I'm a long time iPhone user, and I'm trying Android seriously for the first time. I'm currently using a LG Optimus 3D, running a custom gingerbread rom, and I'm getting 4G on my T-mobile USA network (FOR THE FIRST TIME! since iPhone's do not support high speed data on T-mobile USA)
My question is this, is the LG O3D a good phone to judge android by? The rom I'm using is overclocked to 1188mhz, the screen is much larger than the iphone screen, and certain things I really like, other things I find extremely annoying. And I'm not trying to start a debate about iphone vs android... I'm just trying to figure out if the hardware I'm using sucks or if other phones (samsung G2S or others?) are considerably better? Is it worth spending more money on another android?
If anyone can chime in with advice I'd appreciate it.
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I'm a long time iPhone user, and I'm trying Android seriously for the first time. I'm currently using a LG Optimus 3D, running a custom gingerbread rom, and I'm getting 4G on my T-mobile USA network (FOR THE FIRST TIME! since iPhone's do not support high speed data on T-mobile USA)
My question is this, is the LG O3D a good phone to judge android by? The rom I'm using is overclocked to 1188mhz, the screen is much larger than the iphone screen, and certain things I really like, other things I find extremely annoying. And I'm not trying to start a debate about iphone vs android... I'm just trying to figure out if the hardware I'm using sucks or if other phones (samsung G2S or others?) are considerably better? Is it worth spending more money on another android?
If anyone can chime in with advice I'd appreciate it.
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The hardwares good, great gpu and I love mine but apart from 3D there are better phones. What about its hardware is dissapointing you?
You can use a different launcher, go launcher is a good one, and if you are rooted you can uninstall system apps you don't like.
I have to say while I love it I do wish it had more ram, a lot of android phones now have more ram but I would say its a good android phone yes.
But if you don't want the 3D then yes phones such as s2 are better in a lot of areas. Lgs hardware is actually very good but their software not so.
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What I don't like, well here's a few gripes...
Battery life is terrible, I had to buy a thick 3500mah battery, because the stock battery was only lasting for about 4-5 hours tops. The bigger battery made the phone HUGE.
The operating system seems to lag, which I feel is from either poor ram management or as you stated, not enough ram.
Touch sensitivity on the screen is sketchy in certain apps, like if I press in a certain spot, it seems like I'm pressing a little off the mark.
Seems like restarting (reboot) it daily is almost needed for some reason.
I guess the battery is the biggest deal to me. I'd very much like to use the factory slim battery, but I would basically HAVE to charge it whenever possible to do that, and that's not practical for me. And there seems to be a lot of complaints over in the O3D section about the lack of software support from LG, so I have no other serious android experience to compare this too.. that's why I asked
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What I don't like, well here's a few gripes...
Battery life is terrible, I had to buy a thick 3500mah battery, because the stock battery was only lasting for about 4-5 hours tops. The bigger battery made the phone HUGE.
The operating system seems to lag, which I feel is from either poor ram management or as you stated, not enough ram.
Touch sensitivity on the screen is sketchy in certain apps, like if I press in a certain spot, it seems like I'm pressing a little off the mark.
Seems like restarting (reboot) it daily is almost needed for some reason.
I guess the battery is the biggest deal to me. I'd very much like to use the factory slim battery, but I would basically HAVE to charge it whenever possible to do that, and that's not practical for me. And there seems to be a lot of complaints over in the O3D section about the lack of software support from LG, so I have no other serious android experience to compare this too.. that's why I asked
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Yes battery life is bad, on that front there are many phones that last much longer I have to admit.
Not noticed lag on mine but I do stop apps autorunning so I get more memory free. Though installing or starting an app does produce a pause for some reason.
Not had to restart mine so can't comment on that or touch screen as both fine for me but I have to say (and fellow android fans may berate me for this) ios will be smoother than a similar spec android device as ios is tailored only for specific hardware (unlike android), doesn't support some things that eat battery life (like widgets or full multitasking for example) and so you will notice this on optimus 3D.
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I feel you would benefit from a stock android experience. I loved my nexus s but just recently upgraded to a droid 3/xt860. I recommend that you take a look at the nexus s or galaxy nexus...that way you can really see what the OS is all about rather than having to deal with the gimmicks some of these other phones bring about.
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LG Optimus 3D was probably a bad choice for Android. The GSII and the Galaxy Nexus are the best Android phones out right now. HTC seems to have stalled in their innovation, though they still make really good phones. Motorola is lagging behind as well.
I would recommend checking out the phones I mentioned at the store and see if that's what you want. I always mess with phones at the store before buying them just to see if my initial impressions are good or bad. Then go from there.
If you get cm7 on your phone and add an ICS theme... it takes over and is amazing... best phone ever!!!
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I've used 3 roms so far, King, Thiaiz and now Rushdroid.... and I'm really trying to love this phone but I always seem to have issues of one kind or another.
I'd like to have a Galaxy nexus, but that super expensive right now...