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The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.
honestly i thought i would miss the display too but after about a day i forgot all about it
From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.
I actually like the MT4G's screen better. It displays text MUCH sharper. Text is very pixelated and blocky on the vibrant.
Anyway, the MT4G is the better phone. Faster all around and has many more features.
I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
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"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.
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I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
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"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.
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This is my biggest Issue, Will I miss the SAMOLED??
Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
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Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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^ completely agree.
I'm coming from a Nexus One into G2 into the myTouch. When I first started using the myTouch, I couldn't help but frown as the screen didn't look as crisp or clear as the G2's. But this phone won me over with all it's other features and impressive hardware. That, and I actually like Sense whereas TouchWiz made me think I was playing with a toy.
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Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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+1... and add to the list the HSDPA+, FFC (eventhough you won't use it, it's still better to know you have it in case you need it) and 256MB of extra RAM... phones are not meant for watching movies.. and it's not like movies are unwatchable on MT4G.. as it's still gorgeous! i think when it comes to phones, you have to look at the features and the sturdy feel on the device, which in my opinion the samsung lacks compared to MT4G.. now if you're comparing MT4G to DESIRE HD, now that's a different story.. that belongs to the other thread..
Coming from the Vibrant I must say how extremely happy I am. I had a totally modded Vibrant to get the speed that the MT4G has right out of the box. The battery life of the Vibrant is horrible. The MT4G is a beast............extremely happy to have my MT4G.....oh yea after 3 to 4 days you get used to the screen, I dont watch movies on it so not that big of a deal me.
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The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.
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You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.
Couldn't agree with you more and btw, the setup I have now with my vibrant gives me tremendous battery life (check sig )
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From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.
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You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.
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Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.
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Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.
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Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)
I came from the G2, I don't really notice the difference in the screen and I don't think you can unless you put them next to each other. I know the Vibrant has a better screen but all the new benefits and 4G and more RAM and now with root this is a great device. The feel is really good and the battery life is not better than the vibrant.
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Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)
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Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.
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Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.
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I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?
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I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?
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I can't say, unfortunately. The one I got had dust underneath the screen so I returned it the next day, only playing with it for an hour or so. I am currently waiting on my replacement which should be here tomorrow (free express shipping ftw). There are advantages of ordering via retention, but the lead time on exchanges is not one of them.
That said, I was extremely disappointed in the screen of the first MT4G -- it looked very washed out and low quality. I hope it was a defective screen because otherwise I think I may just end up going back to the Vibrant.
Thinking about picking up a tab as soon as ATT launches, I love my captivate but dont really need two identical (hardware) devices. I was thinking about picking up a Aria throwing cyanogenmod and overclocking to 800mhz, i wouldn't mind a smaller phone in the pocket.
Anyone come from a Aria to the captivate and have any knowledge to drop?
ty!
I had an Aria prior to the Captivate and found it to be a little too small for use. The real issue I had that caused me to swap it out was the screen was so dim you couldn't see it in sunlight; that is definitely not a problem with the Captivate.
thanks for the reply, lucky here in the pacific NW the sun shouldn't be a issue. So the smaller resolution kinda sucked? hrmmm.
Started with the Aria, still use it. Have a Captivate also. To be honest, overall I like the Captivate the most. BUT the Aria has adavantages, quick snappy response, GPS WORKS, and does most what the captivate can do. Smaller screen, kind of bugged me, but can get over it. Though the captivates screen is OH SO NICE.... Gaming much better on the captivate also!
^ with a tab (hopefully) on the way the screen size should be welcome for the smaller form factor, the pocket legends beta is making me think twice now haha, looks so nice on the samoled.
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Started with the Aria, still use it. Have a Captivate also. To be honest, overall I like the Captivate the most. BUT the Aria has adavantages, quick snappy response, GPS WORKS, and does most what the captivate can do. Smaller screen, kind of bugged me, but can get over it. Though the captivates screen is OH SO NICE.... Gaming much better on the captivate also!
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I was debating on if I should go to Aria or Captivate when I was getting a new phone. I picked the Captivate because of this too. I love the bigger brighter screen and very glad I went with it. I am very happy with my Captivate. GPS is good enough for me (outdoors), no random shutdowns or any other major problems.
Don't do it. I drove 30 miles to replace my Aria.
The only advantage is GPS. You'll be sacrificing a lot of performance for a smaller footprint. Aria's actually slightly thicker. Just about every spec is worse. Know that it's a mid-range phone that will feel obsolete quickly. You really feel it when loading large webpages/images and playing games.
I loved the Aria it was very responsive although it had a small scree it was really easy to browse through text on the web, GPS was good, it size is an advantage when traveling on business. Basically if you don't need a large screen this is a good phone.
I originally had an Aria that I exchanged for the Captivate. It's a neat little phone, though you won't be able to get some apps that require the arm v7 instruction set (google earth, for example), and live wallpapers run a bit slow sometimes (super mario), but all in all, it's an awesome little phone that I wouldn't mind using as my daily driver.
I ended up exchanging it for the Captivate simply because it seemed more future-proof and because the subsidized price difference was so small that it was hard to justify keeping the Aria.
With the leaks of the Nexus S today, I can see that I made the correct choice. If it turns out that the Nexus S hardware is very similar to the rest of the Galaxy S line (which will most likely be the case, considering the model number), we are basically guaranteed updates direct from google (with a little hacking to get it running on our Captivates) for a long time to come.
Update: Oh yeah, forgot to mention the speaker. The speaker is absolutely terrible. It sounds tinny and buzzy, and you'll be instantly infuriated anytime your phone rings. Watching videos on it is unbearable unless you use headphones. This is another reason I exchanged it for the Captivate.
Aria advantages are fm radio, better browser that makes text readable on the smaller screen. 2.1 os with flash that works, snappy feel do to the smaller screen needing less processing power. Small size.
Dis advantages are poor out door readability especially with screen protectors, poor battery life, I find the captivate to be better, gps didn't work any better than the captivate, actually I think the captivate is better but I seem to be a minority in that my gps works, hard to type on small screen and I'm not one to complain about touch screens, I actually prefer touch screens for typing but 3.2 inches is just to small, non multi touch keyboard. Significantly thicker than captivate, it doesn't look it but it is. call quality not as good, ringer/speakerphone not as loud, camera not as good, captivate camera has many options only winphone7 compares imho but win phone 7 is good for different reasons, also aria camera takes time to adjust to the light, apparent in videos. Stock headphones not as good as samsung stock headphones. Internal storage couldn't hold enough apps.
All in all I did have buyers remorse when I got the aria because I couldn't read the screen in day light and because the internal storage was limited but was otherwise satiated, then when I traded up for the captive I had buyers remorse because missed the fm radio, the browser and the flash player, but it all went away when I started making phone calls, and got a taste of the stock headphones for music, every bit as good as $40 v-moda ones that I had recently broken, and better than the $50 treble heavy skull candies I bought to use with the aria.
The aria was almost a good phone and if you have an sd card and don't use 100 apps and you can deal with the screen there is nothing wrong with it but for the money it might not make sense unless they have dropped the price or the whole required store credit/rebate thing. But I feel the captivate is better for more reasons than the obvious even with it's shortcomings.
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I miss my aria's gps. It worked flawlessly.
The Aria is...
...one bada$$ little phone! I was so very opposed to going to a full-touchscreen phone. I've always had keyboards on all my HTC Smartphones and PDA's. The fact that i got turned on to a full touch screen phone via the Aria is pretty impressive in my book.
Yes it is small. But that is one of the benefits of the phone itself, considering how big all the phones are getting. At this rate it looks like we're almost headed back to the "motorola-in-a-brief-case-Nino-Brown-era". hahaha! Sure, if you have huge fingers it will be a bit of a pain to type on no doubt. But I'm a 5'11" athletic black man and I had not too many issues.
Its just about as snappy as most other "high-end" considered phones in most categories. The speaker does suck pretty bad, but i'm always using bluetooth headsets and BT stereo headphones anyway. I loved that little phone. And now my wife loves it.
I have the Captivate now. I never wanted to get anything but HTC, but I'm on AT&T and the HTC Surround looks like a joke - not to mention I do not want a first generation WP7 anyway. So to the tune of $69 (AT&T matched the Wirefly.com price) I couldn't pass it up. Aside from not having a flash I LOVE this phone and it feels about the same weight as the Aria!
All that to say...YES, the Aria is a solid phone and great switch up from the current popular trend in phone sizes.
So when I bought my Vibrant, I knew this phone was coming soon. I got the Vibrant anyway because of all it was promising to be. (And because I have absolutely no patience whatsoever.)
Well, that Vibrant, other than the beautiful screen, is NOT all it promised. Yes, I can flash ROMs and blah blah blah, but I have no idea what I'm doing in that area, so it's probably not too smart to try in my case. Besides, shouldn't a phone just work? I understand that they will all have issues, but this Vibrant is chock full of 'em!
Anyhoo...just curious to know the opinions of current MT4G owners. Do you find that the "issues", if any, are worth overlooking? The Vibrant has so many. At first, I had no problem saying "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out". I'm realizing over time that not only have they not worked it out, but it's just getting worse over time.
What issues are you having with the vibrant? I only really had a borked GPS. The screen was great, but text was a little fuzzy, which is unfortunately what I do most on a phone. That said, the mt4g just fits and feels better in my hand, vibrant was too awkward and slippery. I still have both, will decide which one to keep... but the Vibrant running on TeamWhiskey's Onyx ROM was super fast. The mt4g felt 'laggy' to me out of the box compared to it and my modded nexus one. I guess we just have to wait for some good roms.
Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)
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... "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out"
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That's the beauty of buying an HTC product - they actually do work out issues.
This phone though, right out of the box it does everything I wanted it to and does it WELL.
I had a Vibrant, got rid of it for a Nexus One (which was a great phone - but this one was better!) - I was tired of the GPS issues and the lack of support, and then what little support they did give had galacticly POOR QA on it.
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Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)
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Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.
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Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.
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This is what I thought as well. But the thing is, the length of the 'lag' in response to my touch actually differs between applications. When I use launcher pro's launcher, it's very quick, but if I'm in say, the settings of the browser menu, or some of the other "mySense themed" things, it's a lot slower to respond I find. Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of anal about speed. Still, I'll reserve judgement until I can get a vanilla ROM on and get rid of this mySense thing. I agree, the phone is really snappy, it's just that some apps are a bit slower to pickup my touch input than others.
Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.
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Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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Oooh, I do like hearing that!
Lakeshow423 said:
I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.
I made the Switch to the MT4G the Laggy-ness of the vibrant + horrible Battery Life and the cluster F%^k that is the froyo updating made me pull the trigger the MT4G is wicked fast the text is easier to read than the vibrant and the MT4G doesn't feel cheap like the vibrant, and the crappy GPS on the vibrant was also a killer, Maybe with the nexus 2 sammy will do better. See ya sammy
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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.
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As far as audio quality through headphones, the Vibrant uses a DSP chip which enhances sound quality. To me, it was the best sounding phone i've ever heard but I hardly ever listen to music from my phone.
I sold my vibrant for the MT4G and i'm happy I did. It has many more features, is much quicker, has perfect GPS and MUCH better battery life.
Vibrant>G2>MT4G
And I'm 100% happy. Im just wishing I would of gotten red.... Lol
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Ok, pretty sure you've all convinced me...I need to make the switch!
If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.
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If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.
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Thank you! More and more I'm realizing that I should definitely ditch the Vibrant. While the screen is absolutely beautiful, I think that seems to be the only thing (as far as my needs go) that the Vibrant has over the MT. I'm sure in the development world there are many, many other things that the Vibrant has over it, but in my little novice world, I think the MT is more for me.
I'm sorry I'm not trying to bash on any vibrant owners but I held a vibrant and it felt like a piece of plastic on my hands with a beautiful display that's all. When I got the mt4g from the moment I felt it in my hands u can tell the quality of this phone has with a nice weight to it. The size imo is the perfect size for my hands and I'm coming from an hd2 4.3inch feels too bulky especially when ur out with ur friends at a party and ur trying to get ur phone out to take pics lol trust me I been there. The mt4g not only feels perfect on ur hands but performs flawlessly with no lag no hangs this baby is meant for all kinds of multitasking u can throw at it overall this phone is a beast!
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I'm not trying to bash the phone either. I truly wanted to love it. I tried to love it. I even have days that I DO love it. Sadly, they are getting farther and fewer between. I need a phone that's going to perform the way I need it to now, not whenever they feel like getting around to it. It's really too bad, because I think the Vibrant has such huge potential.
I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...
i have both phones and from using the mt4g the past two weeks, i'm really torn between the two. but it's good to have to seperate lines for work and home
at any rate, i have found that the vibrant, with root and the right mods/hacks outshines the mt4g in performance. quadrant scores which surpass 3000 are some what proof of that. however, i don't put linpack nor quadrant scores too much on a pedestal because both were designed mainly for testing snapdragon devices.
the vibrant is an incredible device for gaming and video playback. i have tested 3d games and emulators which use tons of memory. my myt4g lags and on almost every psx or snesoidrom that i have using psx or snes emulators v. the vibrant. gameloft games such as sandstorm don't seem to run as smooth either. graphical display on these games look much much better on the vibrant.
out of the box though, the mt4g is plenty fast as i don't really see myself needing to flash custom roms immediately. the gps works flawlessly, no need for lagfixes like the vibrant. even with the custom espresso skin, the myt4g is super fast. on top of that, i seem to get better signal 3 signals vs. the vibrant.
and that's my short review of both phones. right now, i use the myt4g primarily for work as it has exceptional battery life and durability over the vibrant.
i use the vibrant as my personal phone because it's an incredible gaming and media playback device. now, i just need to wait for that new galaxy 2 to come out..
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I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...
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I dont know what ur talking about the buttons feel solid imo unless ur phone came with faulty buttons and in terms of force closing I only had the market close on me once
So before I get a bunch of angry people posting let me clarify a few things
First off I have a plum mytouch 4g with a sharp screen (that ones with bad viewing angles and contrast) that I got off of craigslist. The only thing I have other then the phone itself is a black gel case and a generic charger. The phone has some very minor but not a big deal scratches on the back and the top.
I got an offer on craigslist to trade it in for a mint but used G2 with all accessories and box.
So I need help deciding "Should I do it? I'm aware that the mytouch beats the G2 in every department except physical qwerty but before I make the trade on Tuesday I need help.
Are there any defects in the G2 I should be worried about/look for?
Is the G2 screen as good as a bad mytouch screen?
or anything else. Please help
I say go for it
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Thank you for the quick reply but do you think you could elaborate? lol
watch out for a loose hinge
while the keyboard is hidden hold the phone upside down using the keyboard half of the phone
the screen will hang down
yes sir...the g2 is a way better phone then the my touch and the phone is in decent condition I would be glad to trade the my touch to me is like a t-mobile buy it quick cause we need the sales lol bottom line tho if u want a better phone g2 got way better features then the my touch and u not gonna find to many people who would trade a g2 for a my touch thats a big down grade to me....happy new years!!!!!!!!!
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Hmm, theres the thing, other then the screen issue, lack of qwerty and the purple color ( I really don't mind purple but I aint crazy about it either) the mytouch trumps the G2 in almost every way. (Although I do love the build quality on the G2). Anybody else have an opinion?
I had both the mt4g and the g2.
The G2 is a great phone. Its just as fast as the mt4g, don't believe the numbers.
The screen is a lot better, mt4g looks fuzzy and pixelated in comparison. -though my mt4g had washed out screen.
The keyboard is very useful, power button is better positioned so you don't accidentally hit it in landscape mode.
Music sounds better through headphones.
Pretty close to being stock android.
*feels and looks 100x better than the mt4g.
No noisy cheap plastic navigation buttons.
Bad things are:
No ffc. Kinda bulky.
Worse reception than mt4g.
Less ram memory.
No trackpad wake.
I'm Perth sure that if you're not a careful user you'll break that keyboard hinge at some point.
People been already reporting discoloration...few months after release.
Hope I helped.
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yes sir...the g2 is a way better phone then the my touch and the phone is in decent condition I would be glad to trade the my touch to me is like a t-mobile buy it quick cause we need the sales lol bottom line tho if u want a better phone g2 got way better features then the my touch and u not gonna find to many people who would trade a g2 for a my touch thats a big down grade to me....happy new years!!!!!!!!!
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@the g2 is a way better phone then the my touch
Not trying to be combative, evo madness, but can you provide any technical details? We all have our preferences, so if you like the G2 more than the myTouch 4G, no one could fault you for your personal preference.
I love the MT4G, so I sort of have to defend it. I mean, the first thing we should address as far as "which phone is better," would be the difference between the MSM8255 & MSM7230 CPU. They're essentially the same CPU (please correct me if I'm wrong), but the MT4G uses the MSM8255 and the G2 uses the MSM7230. MSM8255 is clocked @ 1 GHz out of the box and MSM7230 is under-clocked to 800 MHz out of the box. Now "better" is relative here. Of course, 1 GHz is faster than 800 MHz, but someone might argue that one gets more battery life @ 800 MHz. Good thing SetCPU keeps me @ 1.4 GHz when the screen is on and 786 MHz when the screen is off. So MT4G @ 1 GHz and G2 @ 800 MHz.
The G2 has 512 MB RAM whereas the MT4G has 768 MB RAM. 768 is more than 512 and that = good when it comes to a snappy phone/the user experience.
Again, totally not trying to be combative here, but I'm trying to help the OP who wants to know if he should trade or not. @OP, the G2 is a great device and I really like pretty much any device that HTC manufactures. Coming from a G1, I was a big fan of having a physical keyboard. I never thought I'd like a soft-keyboard, until I started using Swype. Soft-keyboards are only getting better too (the GB one looks might enticing).
The G2 is running vanilla Android out of the box, whereas the MT4G is running Sense UI. Some hate Sense, some love it. I personally love it. So to me, the MT4G is "better," out of the box in that department. Someone else might disagree, since they prefer vanilla. Good thing we can flash ROMs!
The big thing for me gabrialxue, is what VibrantOwnr pointed out. There are videos all over the Web that explain the "hinge issue." If you HAVE TO HAVE a physical keyboard, go for it. It just depends on your personal preferences. Your situation @Craig's List doesn't help much though, but that has nothing to do with the phone itself.
I should probably avoid threads like this, but I wanted to clarify some technical details as far as "G2 is better than the MT4G" and I wanted to help gabrialxue stay with the MT4G, 'cause I love it and everyone should too!
Just read the thread buried in here somewhere of all the people with G2's including myself who switched to the MT4G.
The my touch 4G is superior in every way over the G2 except the physical keyboard which is not as big as it used to be now that we have swipe.
The MT4G has a faster processor, more RAM, Font Facing Camera (FFC) etc.
Even the T-Mobile Customer service tell people wanting to switch back to the G2 that it is a downgrade.
Many people including myself were skeptical at first about the My Sense UI, but now that we have root you can flash other ROM's or use third party launchers to change the look to a more stock android look.
My biggest problem with the G2 was the poor design of the Hinges for the keyboard. It is a terrible design flaw. I tried 3 different G2's and I was very happy I switched.
Try to get you a good replacement with a good screen and you will be more happy with your MT4G.
Even though you bought it off craigslist there have been other people who have received warranty replacements that bought off craiglist and ebay. If you need more information about how to do it look through my thread about the displays good vs bad or PM me and I will help you in what to do.
So do you think I should suck it up and get past the whole washed out screen thing in exchange for the additional ram and FFC? (I dont use that a lot but I have used it a few times and it was cool) I mean coming from midrange androids it doesn't seem that bad to me until I compare it to other phones.
It looks like bobsbbq and I were pecking away at the same perspective. I forgot to mention the FFC too!
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@the g2 is a way better phone then the my touch
The G2 has 512 MB RAM whereas the MT4G has 768 MB RAM. 768 is more than 512 and that = good when it comes to a snappy phone/the user experience.
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Very good comment but the MT4G has 786 MB of RAM not 768.
I'd message bobsbbq as he seems to have some info that will help. Remember, you have both T-Mobile and HTC (the manufacturer) to deal with when it comes to warranty/exchanges.
It's up to you. I'm only supposed to have two MT4G's and I went through a total of 5 or 6 (can't remember, I shipped so many back!) before my fiancee and I settled on the ones we have now. Whether it was the "bad" SH display or creaking - I mean REALLY creaking - edges, I felt it was worth it to deal with TMO and go through all of the "hassle." For someone else, they might've cried and gone on to the iPhone. I'm a man though.
It's difficult for us to say, "yes, gabrialxue, do this - you will like it." You might not like pizza, but we can sit here all day and tell you you should eat it and you should like it. If I were you, I would ditch the G2 and stay here with us in MT4Gland. That's me, not you.
On paper and in personal preference, there is no doubt the MT4G is a superior device to the G2. IMHO, I really think the MT4G is the best Android device on the market right now, period. I'll never poopoo on another HTC or Android device though, they're all winners. The Evo is great, the Incredible is great, etc.
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Very good comment but the MT4G has 786 MB of RAM not 768.
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Sorry, I know that too - I'm typing away here in fervor, defending the MT4G. LOL
My biggest concern is resell/trade value? Which one do you suppose will fetch me more in the long run? A G2 in good condition or a purple mytouch 4g in condition and no original accessories/box
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My biggest concern is resell/trade value? Which one do you suppose will fetch me more in the long run? A G2 in good condition or a purple mytouch 4g in condition and no original accessories/box
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Now we're really not talking about phones anymore, IMHO. Yeah, I guess resale value is somewhat important, but we're not talking about a Honda Accord here. I don't sell my previous phones, so for me, that's a moot point.
I honestly think the MT4G would fetch you more $$$ in the long-run, but you did say it has some scratches, none of the original packaging, etc. Some buyers seem to like the original packaging, as it "says something" about the owner.
Again, this is really difficult, gabrialxue. We've moved away from performance, development and user experience and are onto resale value. I have never once considered that when buying a phone, instrument, electronic device, etc. I would only consider resale value on a home, car, boat, etc. That's just me though.
Keep the mytouch, do a warranty replacement, root it and throw cyanogenmod on it. that way you get the the thinner phone, better hardware, bigger screen.
the G2 is nice, but if you don't care about the keyboard (which i didn't) then you end up with a phone that's Thicky Ricardo for no reason.
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Keep the mytouch, do a warranty replacement, root it and throw cyanogenmod on it. that way you get the the thinner phone, better hardware, bigger screen.
the G2 is nice, but if you don't care about the keyboard (which i didn't) then you end up with a phone that's Thicky Ricardo for no reason.
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Theres the thing though, I got this phone from craigslist, I am not eligible for a warranty replacement. I can send it into HTC for a free repair but all they would do is replace it with the exact same screen and send it back.
Man, I might get moderated for this but, get an iPhone.
Seriously though, which is it? Performance? Resale value? User experience? Development/customization? I think the last handful of replies have provided you with a lot of data. You now know the MT4G is a superior device in virtually all ways, on paper. I'm not sure if you just want one of us to say, "yes, trade it, get the G2" or "no, keep it, stick with the MT4G."
It seems like each option, you have a "but" for. If you keep the MT4G, you have issues with warranty/replacement and "resale value," as you put it. If you go with the G2, you get lose hinge issues, a "slower" phone (you'll be able to root it too though, so sort of a moot point), but all of the retail packaging.
I'm just not sure this thread can really go any further, know what I mean? I hope I've done my part to help here and I hope you end up with the phone you like best! Either way, you're on Android and I think that is a good thing.
Good luck!
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Theres the thing though, I got this phone from craigslist, I am not eligible for a warranty replacement. I can send it into HTC for a free repair but all they would do is replace it with the exact same screen and send it back.
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Your wrong, as I have said I know of several people who bought from craigslist and ebay and still got warranty replacements from T-Mobile. You just have to know how to do it.
With a HTC warranty your right you would have to send it in but I would bet you would probably get a new device. Or at the very least a new screen with the good
LCD. HTC as admitted the LCD problem even though T-Mobile has not. So I doubt if you sent it in to HTC for a washed out display you would get a bad screen.
I've got this MT4GS with a recently replaced screen giving me all sorts of problems, Tmo doesn't have any more of them in-stock for an actual replacement. So lately I've been lurking around the ApexQ forums here, considering whether I take Tmo up on their offer to replace the MT4GS with a Relay. Is this it? Is this the end of the line for higher end sliders?
I get so annoyed when I walk into a Tmo shop and they give me the stink eye over my physical keyboard.
"You should really try Swype"
"Keyboards are going away"
"No one really uses those"
"Just try the S4 out, you'll love it"
Try to swype out a thousand words, then do it with a physical keyboard. I'm a bit of a writer, it might be a tine platform for me to write from, but it works great. Sliders are niche preference, will the entire market really give that up? I'm waiting for Google IO before I make any decisions (because it's coming up pretty soon) but haven't heard any rumors of a high end slider coming down the line. Am I the only one holding my breath here?
Also, I've seen a couple of you post on these forums that have had the MT4GS, I think I would miss the 8MP camera the most. Any thoughts on switching over?
I don't have the relay but I follow it and have played with one. It feels similar in many ways to the MT4Gslide (I have this) but you can really feel the improvements in speed as well as a five row keyboard is just awesome. Being its part of the galaxy s line there should be a fair amount of updates, speculation of course as Samsung hasnt been the best at supporting hardware keyboard phones.
You will miss the camera, not that this one is horrible its just that the MT4Gslide has one of the best ever made. I'm not a huge sense fan but it is better than touchwiz (in my opinion) but more of a resource hog. It is possible to port it over to Sammy phones and has been done before, but I doubt anyone would bother on this phone.
Overall if its a free upgrade I would take it, being I refuse to buy phones from carriers this one would cost me full price and I haven't decided if that's worth it yet.
Good luck on your decision!
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i got both. here are the differences with the relay:
- relay's screen is super amoled pentile... colors are great, resolution sucks big time, pixels can be seen and the red ones are very tiny and the matrix will be very noticeable in some cases
- relay's camera is 5 mp vs 8 of the doubleshot. it is just inferior in both quality and resolution, not much else to say.
- relay keyboard is nicer imho but lacks replicated alt, shift, home, back, menu keys
- battery lasts much longer than the famous 1900mah anker for doubleshot
- the cpu is so much faster, ~2.5x from my findings, also, it heats a lot less
- it is noticeably ligher but more plasticy and flimsy
- stock ics and jb. more development going on
all in all, it is a sidegrade... you lose on some aspects and gain in some others... anyway the high end qwerty era is over since the desire-z/droid 2 period...
I've owned just about every GSM QWERTY device made for android over the past 2 years. I can safely say the Relay is one of the better phones that I've owned for a while.
The G2 was the best phone I've ever had.
The camera is not amazing. It will do in a pinch, but I would take a better keyboard over a better camera any day. The 4G Slide keyboard was horrid. One of the worst I've ever used. I use the keyboard much more than the camera, so my decision was simple. It's based on your preferences, really.
But just remember you don't have many options.
I've been using my relay for about 4 months now and overall I like it a lot.
Some good thoughts first:
The keys are very very good. I find they're slightly less conducive to touch typing than my Sidekick 4G was, but still one of the best small keyboards I've ever used. I can't imagine using a purely touchscreen phone, Swype or not. There's just no competition.
The phone is very quick. I've never once thought to myself "Man, I wish this would happen faster." The OS isn't quite 100% seamless, but it's close enough that I can't find anything to complain about. And things like videos, emulated games, etc are all full speed. The only times I've ever had to wait for something was when I was accessing files, and that's due to my bargain basement SD card.
The battery life has been great. I have no problem getting through my day without carrying a charger with me. Now, I'm not as active a user as some (I don't use facebook, for instance,) but I'm often looking things up on my phone while working, and even using the flashlight, and I always have between a half and a third of my battery when I get home.
The screen and the camera both fall under the category of "It's a phone for chrissakes, what are you expecting??" for me.
The screen is bright, vibrant, sharp. It looks great indoors and passable outside. There's enough room for what it needs to do. If you complain that you can't watch a 1080p movie on your phone, the problem is with your head and not your device. I guess if you offered me a higher resolution I'd take it, but I really don't feel like it needs more. And I wouldn't want the screen to be any bigger. If I wanted a massive screen in my pocket I'd buy an iPad. And then kill myself.
The camera is a dog, but so is every other phone camera in the world. Yes, this one is worse than many. But if you care about what your pictures look like, a $40 digital camera bought used off craigslist will take pictures which are 10 times better than the best cell phone camera on the market. And it's easier to carry a separate phone and camera than it is to have a separate phone and keyboard. So why everybody focuses on the sub-par camera is beyond me.
There's only one thing about the phone which I actually feel is bad, and that's the shape. Coming from a Sidekick 4G, the ergonomics of the phone are a big step down. The Sidekick was a fantastic phone to hold in the hands, both closed an open. The Relay is about as nice to hold as a brick. There's a small lip all around the phone that presses awkwardly against your ear, and it's got a certain awkwardness when open as well. No surprise there, the Galaxy S line has always looked like a knockoff of the iPhone 3G. Why would they start making something comfortable now? </curmudgeon.>
So, yeah. I like it and there's nothing else on the market which comes close to being as good as it. I'd buy one again. I'd suggest it to other people. But I'd also hope that this isn't the last QWERTY Android phone for my network, as there's still room for improvements.
i've came down the g1 (htc dream), g2 (htc desire z), relay lane.
i have my relay now for like 4 weeks. and there's really nothing i can seriously complain about. the cpu and gpu are fast and still come with some reserve. the memory is plenty. the qwerty is a big step up from the dz with the additional row. and battery life is just sweet the dz had the better display when you were outside. the relay's go the far better once you get out of the sunlight.
usually, when i got a new phone, i also got a better cam. but seriously: 5mp is enough for every day use. and as some already stated: it's a cell phone. if you want to have high-end-images, you don't get around buying a dedicated camera. and seriously.. it's the same with the screen resolution. 800x480 is enough for text, websites and pictures to be displayed properly and sharp on the small display. what's the use of a 4" full hd display? besides showing off? again... it's a cell phone. if you want high resolution, get a tablet.
*if* somebody asks me for a cell with a hardware keyboard there really - from my pov - is no reason not to recommend the relay.
and i think it's really a pitty it's not available here in europe and quite hard (and expensive) to get.
i really hope there will be new qwertys that will be available here as well. (the most recent here on sale is the dz).
admittedly the hardware keyboard phones are a niche, but those who want them will be willing to spend a lil more to get them.
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I have also used many qwerty phones over the years and have been using the relay for about 5 months now. Previously I have used lg shine xenon, lg shine plus (last lg phone I will ever buy) Sony xperia pro, samsung captivate glide and now the relay. The xperia pro keyboard was the best I have ever used. Too bad it had such low on board memory and only a single core processor.
I hear you on the death of qwerties I can now type quite well with SwiftKey but still love a qwerty for messaging, emails etc. I get the same look from sales staff when I have asked about qwerty sliders.
The relay is the fastest qwerty I have used, bit more than the glides 2x core tegra 2, I also found the keys on the glide to be too flat and there were only 4 rows. Good tactile feedback on the relay, keys are spaced out well and travel is easy. However as mentioned the build quality is not the best and mine has a noticeable wobble when typing. Updates seem good so far although will probably not get past 4.2. I actually went out and bought a q10 last week, loved the new OS but the keyboard was simply too small for me, and for the build quality and screen size the q10 is waaaay over priced, so decided to return it.
On a side note I did a little bit of cosmetic altering the my galaxy s3 stock 2100mah batteries and got them to fit in the relay.. As I live in canada the relay isn't even sold here, and I place battery life pretty much at the top of my list. Need that spare battery and a charger. Anyways good luck with your relay if you get it.
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I'm sure samsung will release a follow up to the Relay, as they seem to be the only manufacturer big enough to support this niche market.
Just give them some more time. They definitely need som enew phones and fresh designs to break up all the slab phones that are coming all the time.
Well, I got the Relay. And with it I end a 8 year HTC only stint which started with the Blue Angel. Fun times...
I just got it today so not much of a chance to play with it. At the moment doing the update. Afterwards will see what else I can do. I find it a bit useless at the moment to try any other ROMs. A bit too early...
I've had 3 previous Android sliders before getting this one - the original G1, Motorola Milestone (which I gave to my husband because it was too big and heavy for me) and the HTC Desire Z. Aside from the Desire Z's incredibly stupid flipping hinge mechanism which I'm convinced was responsible for the display cable dying, it is my favourite of the four (it developed this problem where the screen would die every time I opened the keyboard - I actually disassembled it to see if I could fix it but couldn't)
This phone's not bad and I don't mind it feeling "plasticky" since it's light, while the hinge mechanism seems a lot more solid than HTC's ridiculous designs for the G1 and Desire Z, but the keyboard is LOUD. You have to press the keys really hard and I'm convinced people can hear me typing, which is really not what you want for a mobile device. If you're tweeting under the table during a boring company meeting, you better be good at pretending you're taking minutes!
I also have this weird problem, specific to the Facebook Android app, where it will jump to the top of the page randomly while I'm in the middle of typing a comment. I thought I was pressing something by accident but I've tried typing really carefully and that seem to not be the issue.
I do really miss having a trackball or optical joystick from the HTC devices. It's fine to have arrow keys on the physical kb, but when you have the phone closed sometimes you still want to be able to navigate around and click.
Really happy to have found this thread, has anybody looked at or tried the Motorola Droid 4 ??
It boasts 8MP camera and high definition display, looks like battery lasts a while.. says its splash proof and also has the 4 row keyboard.
I enjoy my glide, but they keyboard with the press on them hasn't ever given me much of an ability to type without looking at the keys..
On my blackberry after a while I was able to roll my fingers across without hardly looking at the keyboard, on computer i type 100wpm so pretty important for me to have a fast typing keyboard. even software app keyboards can't keep up and screw swipe.. without feeling where to rocker my fingers to form words im doomed to choose from autocorrect.