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Mugen Battery

Hi All,
I emailed Mugen to find out when they will bring out battery for the Desire HD.
They replied saying November, the model no. is HLI-DESIREZSL/XL
They did not state capacity though......

Good News!
Did they state costs?

Matt S said:
Good News!
Did they state costs?
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No only model number........

Good news, i might consider the larger battery

Wow XL battery, nice dreams to hope :/

I'm planning to get the DHD myself soon... never heard of "mugen" before... they reliable/stable/good quality???
is this the official site? I'm seeing several mugen power results on google
www .mugen-power-batteries.com/

Bigger battery, yes please.
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Yes @ last confirmed i will get the dhd for sure!! The legend got a bump from 1300mah to 1800mah i hope we get at least a 1500mah for dhd it would be perfect!

But most people were saying 3rd party high capacity batteries in fact does not do what they claim.
Do you think If they did why did not normal Desire users prefer this battery instead of original ones?
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...8181-with-battery-cover-in-brown-3200mah.html

eozen81 said:
But most people were saying 3rd party high capacity batteries in fact does not do what they claim.
Do you think If they did why did not normal Desire users prefer this battery instead of original ones?
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...8181-with-battery-cover-in-brown-3200mah.html
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The answer is easy:
It looks like **** and is soo much bigger!
Dont you think so as well?
Bigger battery is like useing a daiper: You dont have to visit the WC as often, but instead you have to carry the **** around....

lol ethania, you are killing me.

Yes lol that's why they don't want that battery, the dhd won't have that problem, I know from my previous phone (htc legend) that the mugen battery did give me a boost of around 30 to 40% that's enough for me frankly, you can use your phone without closing apps or connections you need and get through the day nuff said..

How will this work with the DHD's unibody shell? You can't carve out extra room (assuming that the battery will be of a bigger physical dimension).

LtdEdFred said:
How will this work with the DHD's unibody shell? You can't carve out extra room (assuming that the battery will be of a bigger physical dimension).
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Dunno, but the legend also has a unibody and it got a 1800mAh mugen battery

Overloaded said:
Dunno, but the legend also has a unibody and it got a 1800mAh mugen battery
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yeah,
an increased mah doesnt mean increased size, they can use better battery technology or increase cell density

panyan said:
yeah,
an increased mah doesnt mean increased size, they can use better battery technology or increase cell density
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They say the legend got about an increase of 30-40% battery life.. If this could be achieved for the DHD too that would be really nice

panyan said:
yeah,
an increased mah doesnt mean increased size, they can use better battery technology or increase cell density
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That was the source of my question. I'm not so into the tech of battery technology. Thanks for clearing it up.

^np
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if Mugen comes out with a higher capacity battery that fits inside the Desire HD, it would be fr......! great!!.
But have they ever made a battery like that? All the Mugen batteries i have seen ad massive bulk to the phone/ipaQ ect. could be just the ones i have seen i dont know much about it. Could anyone give reference to a higher capacity mugen battery with the same size as an original?

nokokoro said:
if Mugen comes out with a higher capacity battery that fits inside the Desire HD, it would be fr......! great!!.
But have they ever made a battery like that? All the Mugen batteries i have seen ad massive bulk to the phone/ipaQ ect. could be just the ones i have seen i dont know much about it. Could anyone give reference to a higher capacity mugen battery with the same size as an original?
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the htc legend one:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...d-battery-for-htc-legend-bb00100-1800mah.html
Battery Door: Not Required

Mugen 1500mAH

I am thinkin of pulling the trigger on this
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ery-for-for-htc-desire-hd-softbank-001ht.html

If you get it, let us know your results. Too bad it's backordered for a few weeks. Hopefully those positive reviews aren't fake. 1500 mAH might be impossible in such a thin battery but who knows.

Mugen batteries are known to under preform from their mAh claims. I would be wary a any battery that claims more power without needing a new battery door as the only way to substantially increase the mAh is to increase the size of the battery. There is also no stated dimensions on the page.
Until a company figures out that they can add to the length of the battery with a modified door we're not going to see numbers beyond 1300.
Edit: I think HTC may have something in the works. This is what I'd wait for. Sales of this phone are through the roof so it makes sense that they could do this and get a return on the investment.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13001874&postcount=139

Oh wow. This is awesome. I guess I'll sit tight to see what HTC has in the oven.

(Regarding a possible extended HTC battery) I'm more than pleased with my battery life, but this is awesome. I would definitely buy - right now I'm getting about 1.5 days out of my phone, if I could make it to two days and charge every other night/ insure a full day with HEAVY use I would be very verrrry happy.

How are you getting such life?
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churro7 said:
How are you getting such life?
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This is basically how I use my phone
-CM7
-Regular Use: Browsing internet is somewhat light, because I make good use out of the Pulse newsreader app. I'll check twitter/facebook a few times, make about an hour or so of phone calls per day, send about 15 texts, check xda a lot, and use audiogalaxy to stream my music library, and use runkeeper to track my runs when I'm running outside (when it is nice out) and I rarely run for less than an hour.
-2 Google Accounts, one of which is set to sync in the background (for gmail, calendar etc.)
-Auto Bright
-Wifi/GPS left on
-Social accounts syncing manually
I don't ALWAYS get 1.5 days. I get 1.5 days usually when my usage is somewhat light. I usually make the judgement call the night before if I need to charge or not. If I do charge after one day of pretty heavy use, the battery is almost always above 20% after a solid 24 hours.

Anyone else got HTC to tell this too?
It sounds like they just said that to get people off their back
anit77 said:
Mugen batteries are known to under preform from their mAh claims. I would be wary a any battery that claims more power without needing a new battery door as the only way to substantially increase the mAh is to increase the size of the battery. There is also no stated dimensions on the page.
Until a company figures out that they can add to the length of the battery with a modified door we're not going to see numbers beyond 1300.
Edit: I think HTC may have something in the works. This is what I'd wait for. Sales of this phone are through the roof so it makes sense that they could do this and get a return on the investment.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13001874&postcount=139
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has anyone here gotten one?

churro7 said:
Anyone else got HTC to tell this too?
It sounds like they just said that to get people off their back
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866-449-8358
Give them a call and see what they tell you.

Since no one posted I thought I'd give them a call and it turns out that churro7 might be right. I was told that HTC doesn't manufacture the batteries and was given a list of "Authorized" accessory stores online. She told me to check with them. So it sounds like the guy in the other thread was probably fed a line of ****.
The only thing HTC would make looks like it would be the new door. That's not to say they aren't contracting out the battery but I'd like to hear this from a credible source before I buy into it.
For the time being Sedio's 1300mAh looks like the only option.
Does anyone know of a battery that will fit but is longer? Obviously the contacts would have to line up right.
The dimensions are 52mm x 46mm x 5mm with the 46 being where we can go longer. The Thunderbolt's???
If I knew for sure one would fit I would order it along with getting HTC to send me a replacement battery door. Then I'd take the power tools to my original door to see if a little tweaking might make it work.

What about the mugen?
I'm getting better battery life than in my epic
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churro7 said:
What about the mugen?
I'm getting better battery life than in my epic
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I would rather buy another stock one than buy a Mugen.
Look at the results of other Mugen batteries here.

You think this one is the same as the others?
sent from planet snarf

Unless they are better able to utilize the internal space of the housing there is no way to extend the mAh capacity without also increasing the size of the housing. It would take new technology.
I'm not here to tell you how to spend your money. If you want to take a chance then by all means get yourself one. Then report your findings good or bad. That way others can make a more educated decision.

Don't waste your money.
Just Google Mugen batteries. You'll see plenty of negative feedback regarding their batteries.
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What about a lipo or nimh battery? Is our stock battery lipo?
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I see AA batteries ranging from 700mah to 2700mah in nicad or nimh form. How did they do it?
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http://www.dinodirect.com/htc-desire-hd-liion-battery-business-rechargeable-1500mah.html
Check that out cheap lol
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No decent battery so far for Ins4g, not worth the money for upgrade getting little improvement.

Lightweight, low capacity battery?

Since I'm undervolted & pretty tweaked on battery life, I wonder if there's such a thing as a lightweight, low capacity battery? For the large majority of days, I could easily get by with half the capacity. Nice to shed some weight if such a thing exists. Anybody hear of such a thing?
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No.
There is no such market for such a thing.

Thanks. I figured that would be the case, but one can hope.

Just take the battery out and use a car or wall charger, lol

ZeroLemon had a battery awhile back that had fewer mAh than stock. Check amazon.
Otherwise, just get a Chinese ebay battery that claims stock mAh. For sure it will be lighter than stock and have way less mAh.
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Thanks for the pointers, fellas. (Jayracer7474, haha!) I suspect a lighter battery could also be the difference in mass/momentum between a cracked screen and a bounce from a drop. I did find some 2100 mAh replacements, but they appear to only shave off a couple of grams, so not enough weight savings to justify. A ~1200 mAh battery that would save about .5 to .75 of an ounce would be ideal for 90% of my everyday usage, since I'm usually never far from a charging source. Oh well, can't have everything.

Seems like no one asked the right question so far: what kernel/settings do you have?
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Also, those chinese batteries? Please stay away. Most of them are rubbish. (risk of explosion etc etc?)
Those legit chinese brands don't make smaller capacity batteries though.

As pcorlatan pointed out to me, you can use a GS3 battery on the GS4 without any issues.
I have no idea how much lighter it is but it is 2100ma so it is significantly smaller.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb2hM-ctkpA

Torn apart nexus 5. Bigger battery possible?

Have a look at the tear down of the nexus 5 it scored a 8/10 for reparability do you guys thing there will ever be a OEM size battery with more capacity that we will be able to swap out?
http://m.androidcentral.com/gaze-inside-torn-open-nexus-5
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No.

offwiththeface said:
Have a look at the tear down of the nexus 5 it scored a 8/10 for reparability do you guys thing there will ever be a OEM size battery with more capacity that we will be able to swap out?
http://m.androidcentral.com/gaze-inside-torn-open-nexus-5
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2510523&highlight=lg+g2

Maybe not OEM, Im sure that there will be a third party will make high capacity battery.
I also wonder 2-3 years from now when the oem battery start declining to hold full charge. If i can get oem regular size battery and swap it out.
Or i dont give a ef about this phone! Lol

raffstyle said:
Maybe not OEM, Im sure that there will be a third party will make high capacity battery.
I also wonder 2-3 years from now when the oem battery start declining to hold full charge. If i can get oem regular size battery and swap it out.
Or i dont give a ef about this phone! Lol
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Hate to burst your bubble, but there probably wont be a larger third party battery made specifically for the Nexus 5. You will be able to buy the same LG-BT9 battery the nexus 5 comes with, but that is probably the biggest thing that will fit.
The problem is that there is no demand for it. The Nexus 5 will be a small portion of the cell phones on the market, and only a small fraction of THAT small fraction would be willing to take the N5 apart just to swap a battery.
There is no reason for a battery company to make a new battery for us, if it is not profitable. In the entire existence of non-removable battery phones, there has never been a larger solution made by a manufacturer specifically for any phone. Including the Iphone, and that says something.

I see a few sellers on aliexpress for an KBTEL internal 3830 mah battery for the nexus 5.
I looked up information regarding kbtel, but I could not find much. However, it seems like those who have had batteries manufactured by them have had no issues; mind, that's my research on a tiny sample size.
I am personally sceptical of its quality, especially since the battery was entirely manufactured in the PRC, and that KBTEL's reputation has yet to be tested.

cptscruffy said:
I see a few sellers on aliexpress for an KBTEL internal 3830 mah battery for the nexus 5.
I looked up information regarding kbtel, but I could not find much. However, it seems like those who have had batteries manufactured by them have had no issues; mind, that's my research on a tiny sample size.
I am personally sceptical of its quality, especially since the battery was entirely manufactured in the PRC, and that KBTEL's reputation has yet to be tested.
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Most 3rd party batteries claim much higher capacities than reality. Also the margins OEMs meet mean that their capacity is much closer to advertised than 3rd party. I wouldn't say its worth doing.

Warrimonk said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2510523&highlight=lg+g2
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Haha
rootSU said:
Most 3rd party batteries claim much higher capacities than reality. Also the margins OEMs meet mean that their capacity is much closer to advertised than 3rd party. I wouldn't say its worth doing.
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when is something like double the capacity of the original battery, then usually it's safe to say that it is going to beable to last quite a bit longer, because its larger than the stock battery. If someone is advertising that size but its in the stock form factor then you know that they're lying. But if it's like a double stack battery with a separaterear to the case, It's going to last longer

rancur3p1c said:
Haha
when is something like double the capacity of the original battery, then usually it's safe to say that it is going to beable to last quite a bit longer, because its larger than the stock battery. If someone is advertising that size but its in the stock form factor then you know that they're lying. But if it's like a double stack battery with a separaterear to the case, It's going to last longer
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Yeah if it's genuinely double the size it will possibly last an extra 50% but how will it fit?
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rootSU said:
Yeah if it's genuinely double the size it will possibly last an extra 50% but how will it fit?
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they come with a aftermarket back to the oh in Oem case so that the battery fits and is covered

I haven't seen any other than fakes.

Loving my N5 still and... need... bigger... battery. TvT

Standard fit / high capacity battery

Do any exist, which are safe and reliable?
On previous notes, I bought a slightly higher capacity Mugen but can't find any for the note 4 (in the UK).
My phone is now 9 to 10 months old and the battery is tiring (I think). Maybe a refresh is due. I can imagine the higher speed charging kills them off sooner too. ANOTHER good reason why the Note 5 should have a removable battery. A a built in battery will be performing under par in no time.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3158111
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borijess said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3158111
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thanks I just saw that.
How much extra juice do you get from normal charging?

So 4 months later, how are the batterys holding up?
My OEM battery seems to not be holding juice long enough and I'm looking for a replacement.

Yes, I want to know as well. Facing same issue as OP.

nalpt said:
Yes, I want to know as well. Facing same issue as OP.
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I hope you find what you're looking for... I am hooked on high capacity batts, and now even the little handed wife can handle a Hyperion 8000 batt with TPU case easily- they're not as brick-like as the zerolemon. Bought a new 8000 and a case for a total of 38 bucks with free shipping on amazon yesterday.
But everyone has their own way of wanting things- hope it works out. If it doesn't, though, I'll offer that it really doesn't take long to adapt to the Hyperion type with it's case. That same case works with the Anker 6400 too. Both have been great performers for me.
Cheers!
Steve RN

steven.rn said:
I hope you find what you're looking for... I am hooked on high capacity batts, and now even the little handed wife can handle a Hyperion 8000 batt with TPU case easily- they're not as brick-like as the zerolemon. Bought a new 8000 and a case for a total of 38 bucks with free shipping on amazon yesterday.
But everyone has their own way of wanting things- hope it works out. If it doesn't, though, I'll offer that it really doesn't take long to adapt to the Hyperion type with it's case. That same case works with the Anker 6400 too. Both have been great performers for me.
Cheers!
Steve RN
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Thanks for your input. I'm more inclined towards the standard fit because of the accessories I already have: the car support, the cases, etc.. An oversize higher capacity battery would imply further investment in other stuff, while a standard fit would just (hopefully) improve a little on the OEM battery. If any of the batteries mentioned can fit the original samsung car windshield support I'd consider them a an option.

I just received this one today and so far it seems pretty good. Same size as OEM but it took noticeably longer to charge so the extra capacity seems legit. I had a Deep Stretch for my Sensation back in the day and it was great, so we'll see after a few days how this one performs in the ol' note 4.

kabuk1 said:
I just received this one today and so far it seems pretty good. Same size as OEM but it took noticeably longer to charge so the extra capacity seems legit. I had a Deep Stretch for my Sensation back in the day and it was great, so we'll see after a few days how this one performs in the ol' note 4.
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I saw that battery, but passed it up due to the blurry photo (and the battery looks in the photos like it's a cheap battery with a sticker on it) and the generic reviews (as if the seller may have made a few of them). It just all looked like a cheap battery to me.
Let us know how it performs. Longer charging time may not indicate a bigger battery, especially if the battery really is a cheap Chinese battery or something.
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spexwood said:
I saw that battery, but passed it up due to the blurry photo (and the battery looks in the photos like it's a cheap battery with a sticker on it) and the generic reviews (as if the seller may have made a few of them). It just all looked like a cheap battery to me.
Let us know how it performs. Longer charging time may not indicate a bigger battery, especially if the battery really is a cheap Chinese battery or something.
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OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.

kabuk1 said:
OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.
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This battery uses new technology? How could they made a same size but much higher capacity comparing to stock one? Could you post your onscreen time with this battery?

I am always skeptical about batteries that claim higher capacity while not being physically larger. Not saying these are bad but for I wouldn't buy it for the bigger number on the package. Personally, I tend to go with OEM batteries, bought with retail packaging from a reputable seller. Sure these are too expensive for what they are, but at least, I know what I am getting.
It is worth noting that li-ion/li-po batteries degrade slowly over time. So when you change your year-old battery for a new one, you are very likely to notice an improvement, even if you replaced it with the exact same model.

kabuk1 said:
OK so after a couple days with this battery I can say that it's good. The more I use it the better it seems to get too, on the first day it was roughly the same as my stock battery but today it's lasting a lot longer. I am getting a noticeable bump in overall life, ending my day with about 30% more juice left than I normally do.
Deep Stretch is legit, like I mentioned before I had one of their batteries a few years ago with my Sensation and it gave me noticeably more life as well. These aren't good if you're wanting a major increase in battery life, but they're great just to get your phone comfortably through a day of moderately heavy use without having to bulk it up.
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Now that you have it a few more days how is it going? I'm also interested in purchasing a standard fit battery.

arvylas said:
Now that you have it a few more days how is it going? I'm also interested in purchasing a standard fit battery.
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I ended up getting a v10 the other day, but I did use the battery for about 2 weeks and it definitely did give me a noticeable bump in overall life. For $25 I would say go for it.