It seems like the bootloader being unlocked is the determining factor in development and implementation of roms/themes for this phone and I dont understand why. I know that unlocking the bootloader allows for some things like overclocking and other tweaks to be done that otherwise could not, but I dont understand why that effects the ability for us to get a working recovery and to be able to flash various mods, including roms and themes. My SE X10 didnt have a locked bootloader and I had xRecovery/WB v6.0 rom/Envy theme and various mods flashed to it just fine.
They ended up being able to unlock the bootloader but I never did it so my phone surely wasnt as fast as those with unlocked bootloader/custom kernel/oc but it was noticeably faster than it was stock so im wondering why we cant have the same on this phone? Aside from the part of not having a working recovery with which to flash them.
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It seems like the bootloader being unlocked is the determining factor in development and implementation of roms/themes for this phone and I dont understand why. I know that unlocking the bootloader allows for some things like overclocking and other tweaks to be done that otherwise could not, but I dont understand why that effects the ability for us to get a working recovery and to be able to flash various mods, including roms and themes. My SE X10 didnt have a locked bootloader and I had xRecovery/WB v6.0 rom/Envy theme and various mods flashed to it just fine.
They ended up being able to unlock the bootloader but I never did it so my phone surely wasnt as fast as those with unlocked bootloader/custom kernel/oc but it was noticeably faster than it was stock so im wondering why we cant have the same on this phone? Aside from the part of not having a working recovery with which to flash them.
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the x10 modding was very dirty to say the least. if you've ever had a g1 or nexus device, you would see how much easier and less potential for problems involved with an unlocked bootloader. the bootloader allows for custom kernels and radios to be installed easily.
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the x10 modding was very dirty to say the least. if you've ever had a g1 or nexus device, you would see how much easier and less potential for problems involved with an unlocked bootloader. the bootloader allows for custom kernels and radios to be installed easily.
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Less potential for problems? Unlocking the bootloader was the only way I could brick the x10. With a locked bootloader I could do whatever I wanted without fear of bricking it. Saying the modding was dirty doesnt mean anything to me, please explain. I never had any issues with the mods on that phone, it was inredibly better after running Wolfbreaks rom, thats one of the 2 reasons I even kept that phone as long as I did. Im just trying to understand why we need our bootlocker unlocked to get a rom on it. The Bionic bootloader is still locked but they have roms for it. I just dont understand.
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Less potential for problems? Unlocking the bootloader was the only way I could brick the x10. With a locked bootloader I could do whatever I wanted without fear of bricking it. Saying the modding was dirty doesnt mean anything to me, please explain. I never had any issues with the mods on that phone, it was inredibly better after running Wolfbreaks rom, thats one of the 2 reasons I even kept that phone as long as I did. Im just trying to understand why we need our bootlocker unlocked to get a rom on it. The Bionic bootloader is still locked but they have roms for it. I just dont understand.
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i mean less problems with a custom rom or problems for the devs trying to adapt to a non custom kernel. sure, unlocking the bootloader opens up the potential of bricking your device.
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i mean less problems with a custom rom or problems for the devs trying to adapt to a non custom kernel. sure, unlocking the bootloader opens up the potential of bricking your device.
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So its harder to dev a rom for a stock kernel than it is for a custom one? You wouldnt think that would be the case but then again Ive never developed anything so what do I know?
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So its harder to dev a rom for a stock kernel than it is for a custom one? You wouldnt think that would be the case but then again Ive never developed anything so what do I know?
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If its based off of a stock rom, its fine. But if you try to port a cm rom, miui or sdk port, its rough
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If its based off of a stock rom, its fine. But if you try to port a cm rom, miui or sdk port, its rough
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That's exactly what Wolfbreaks rom was, a debloated, tweaked version of the stock rom. Even that was noticeably better than stock so i'm wondering if we could at least get that. It would be better than nothing, right?
but its not like we really need a debloated version of the stock rom. the phone is already extremely fast and most of the bloatware that we have can be uninstalled so what is the point? to waste the developers time just to give us something that will pretty much be same thing just barely be faster?
One reason would be to OC. Would love to see how fast she performs OC to 1.2 plus I'd like to see CyanogenMod on top of ICS
That and I'd like to have Sense. I miss having my HD2 with the Desire stock rom
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That and I'd like to have Sense. I miss having my HD2 with the Desire stock rom
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you wont see sense on this device....pipe dreams dude. if you want sense, go buy an HTC device....
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but its not like we really need a debloated version of the stock rom. the phone is already extremely fast and most of the bloatware that we have can be uninstalled so what is the point? to waste the developers time just to give us something that will pretty much be same thing just barely be faster?
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That's pretty obvious seeing as how we can get rid of most of the bloat out of the box. That you would even think that's what i'm requesting somebody do is quite ridiculous, then to type it out and post it even more so.
Wolfbreak and many other devs who contributed tweaks/mods to comprise his rom did waaaay more than debloat, LMAO.
I don't think anyone can say how much faster/smoother the rom will or won't be compared to stock until the work gets done....Wolfbreaks rom made the X10 noticeably faster on locked bootloader, I can only imagine what he could accomplish on the Atrix 2. But i'm not trying to insist anyone do anything for this phone, I was just questioning why everyone seemed to feel we needed to unlock the bootloader before we could get custom roms on the phone. I was expecting to hear some technological explanation about how it's not possible to apply the changes needed with a custom rom due to certain necessary files being unaccessible due to the bootloader being locked. But it just seeems it's a choice being made by the devs who want the full on custom rom/kernel experience instead of at least taking baby steps and tweaking the stock rom to get the most out of it until the bootloader unlock becomes available.
I'm sure there is lots of performance that can be unleashed with the right mods to the stock rom.....but I guess that's kind of putting the carriage before the horse seeing as how we don't even have a way to flash it if someone did do something.
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That's pretty obvious seeing as how we can get rid of most of the bloat out of the box. That you would even think that's what i'm requesting somebody do is quite ridiculous, then to type it out and post it even more so.
Wolfbreak and many other devs who contributed tweaks/mods to comprise his rom did waaaay more than debloat, LMAO.
I don't think anyone can say how much faster/smoother the rom will or won't be compared to stock until the work gets done....Wolfbreaks rom made the X10 noticeably faster on locked bootloader, I can only imagine what he could accomplish on the Atrix 2. But i'm not trying to insist anyone do anything for this phone, I was just questioning why everyone seemed to feel we needed to unlock the bootloader before we could get custom roms on the phone. I was expecting to hear some technological explanation about how it's not possible to apply the changes needed with a custom rom due to certain necessary files being unaccessible due to the bootloader being locked. But it just seeems it's a choice being made by the devs who want the full on custom rom/kernel experience instead of at least taking baby steps and tweaking the stock rom to get the most out of it until the bootloader unlock becomes available.
I'm sure there is lots of performance that can be unleashed with the right mods to the stock rom.....but I guess that's kind of putting the carriage before the horse seeing as how we don't even have a way to flash it if someone did do something.
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ya i am not trying to say you are wrong or anything. i probably just don't know because when i had my first android phone i rooted and went straight to cm6 at the time and it was extremely fast compared to stock. almost anything was faster than stock too. personally if i were to flash a different ROM i would go with something alittle different from stock. that is why i would root it in the first place. OC and other tweaks like signal dbm and battery percent in the status bar would help a lot too but i guess it takes them alittle time to do that. i am excited to be able to overclock though. seeing that the sg2 can overclock to 1.8 Ghz makes me jealous.
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ya i am not trying to say you are wrong or anything. i probably just don't know because when i had my first android phone i rooted and went straight to cm6 at the time and it was extremely fast compared to stock. almost anything was faster than stock too. personally if i were to flash a different ROM i would go with something alittle different from stock. that is why i would root it in the first place. OC and other tweaks like signal dbm and battery percent in the status bar would help a lot too but i guess it takes them alittle time to do that. i am excited to be able to overclock though. seeing that the sg2 can overclock to 1.8 Ghz makes me jealous.
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Wow, thats a crazy OC!
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you wont see sense on this device....pipe dreams dude. if you want sense, go buy an HTC device....
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Hey a man can dream, wouldnt be the first time Ive seen Sense on a non-HTC phone.
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Wow, thats a crazy OC!
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I agree. I was like flipping out when I saw the article on xda and was thinking if I should have bought the sg2 but ATRIX 2 for life! Haha
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You really can't beat the Atrix 2 for the price though. Most of us got it for $50. This thing can hit 1.2ghz for sure, the droid razr is using the same chip and being shipped at 1.2. We could probably even make it to 1.4-5 once its unlocked.
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You really can't beat the Atrix 2 for the price though. Most of us got it for $50. This thing can hit 1.2ghz for sure, the droid razr is using the same chip and being shipped at 1.2. We could probably even make it to 1.4-5 once its unlocked.
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I can't wait for that day. I am also looking forward to the day when we get ics and more ROMs. I miss flashing new ROMs.
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kindacrazyazn said:
I can't wait for that day. I am also looking forward to the day when we get ics and more ROMs. I miss flashing new ROMs.
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Same here! Although im kinda skurred about the oc thing. Oc = heat, increasing the heat
is decreasing the life of the device. I dunno, im just skurred!
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KANG - To steal or a stolen code when referring to programming. Also can refer to leaked coding.
Due to the copious amounts of kanging that now happens in regards to android development I will be pulling all of my links and changing the original posts with this. If you would like to use my roms please feel free to find the kanged version elsewhere.
For inspiring developers, rtfm or ask someone who knows what they are doing before you steal someone elses work, look at someones code and get the general idea. If you port or use something as a base, credit that person. Do not just link back to the thread where you got it from. My email is [email protected] so feel free to ask questions, if I know the answers I will be willing to assist.
I don't wish to call anyone out but I will say there are a few roms, specifically for MT4G Slide that have been kanged. One of which was taken from me, another was a kanged version of CM7 which was just the Settings.apk SettingsProvider.apk and Launcher.apk replaced. CM7 is framework edits, not just a list of apps an entire team works on. You cannot just replace apps in CyanogenMod and expect it to work thus the reason some parts of the Settings.apk force close. Its not hard to be an idiot but its even easier to spot bull**** work, do yourselves a favor, leave xda, leave rootzwiki, leave whatever thread you are on and learn from people who know what the fk they're doing.
If my email fills with hate mail, then fine, at least what I did I feel was right and do not have to worry about my development being taken and rebadged, if I'm out of line then have a moderator delete and close my thread. Thanks!
Mainly because we are looking for s-off... Good work though
rooted 1.55.531.3 with clockwork recovery and SU
Thanks man, i didnt feel like deodexing incase i wanted to start making changes ..hopefully with this stock build you have the cobwebs shook off and we can get cracking
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Finally. Huge thanks bro.
You are a life saver.
i'd like to port this to Desire HD, may i ask to have some screens?
memnoc said:
i'd like to port this to Desire HD, may i ask to have some screens?
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It's the bone stock myTouch ROM, there should be screen shots and videos of it every where on Google. Since It's stock only, no mods us myTouch users already know what to expect it to look like
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Does this have the insecure boot.img? What about the hboot version?
I'm currently unlocked and s-off, running UndeadK9's "stock" deodexed/rooted/optimized R2 release ROM. I don't want to lose s-off or root, but I like having a more "stock" rom as this is my only phone.
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Does this have the insecure boot.img? What about the hboot version?
I'm currently unlocked and s-off, running UndeadK9's "stock" deodexed/rooted/optimized R2 release ROM. I don't want to lose s-off or root, but I like having a more "stock" rom as this is my only phone.
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this zip is the OTA rooted with busybox and deodexed nothing more, there is no radio included or no hboot included, i just rooted my MyTouch yesterday and did the whole s-off thing, im running this now becuase me a jkilo go back to the shift forums so you will be all good man just make sure you do a full wipe
I noticed that the Clock was taken out, which is the only reason why I even use stock sense. is there a reason for that?
Sinfamy said:
I noticed that the Clock was taken out, which is the only reason why I even use stock sense. is there a reason for that?
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I told him about it yesterday, he took it out on accident or something.
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I told him about it yesterday, he took it out on accident or something.
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yeah its all being worked out now as much as possible, i mean between work and family that is.
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I cant edit the build prop at all. If I do it won't boot. Does this have unsecure boot.img by chance?
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AndroidBotx said:
I cant edit the build prop at all. If I do it won't boot. Does this have unsecure boot.img by chance?
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What are you trying to edit, and to what? I'm almost sure the boot.img is unsecured
#edit#
I just used root explorer and changed my VM heap and rebooted fine
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I cant edit the build prop at all. If I do it won't boot. Does this have unsecure boot.img by chance?
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I know Daniel60104's ROM does have the unsecure boot.img, not sure on this one.
On a side note, has anyone tried flashing the radio update that accompanied this release? I know that radio is a no-go for older ROMS, but since it was designed with this release, no word yet how it works with a rooted ROM.
Anyone noticed battery life improvement on this stock version? I've been using this for a week now and I can say there's a big difference compare to the older version. I am using the non-debloat (stock). Another thing is I have yet to experience the random warm battery issue that I've been experiencing from older stock based roms.
Micoman said:
Anyone noticed battery life improvement on this stock version? I've been using this for a week now and I can say there's a big difference compare to the older version. I am using the non-debloat (stock). Another thing is I have yet to experience the random warm battery issue that I've been experiencing from older stock based roms.
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I have noticed much better battery performance with this stock ROM, as well. I'm using Daniel's stock, rooted ROM, and I ran Bloater to take out the things I didn't want (like TMobileTV, TeleNAV, QIK). This ROM runs very quick, smooth. I'm still wondering about the newer radio, though I'm hesitant to flash it because I can't afford to screw up this phone. This is my ONLY phone, it has to work.
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I have noticed much better battery performance with this stock ROM, as well. I'm using Daniel's stock, rooted ROM, and I ran Bloater to take out the things I didn't want (like TMobileTV, TeleNAV, QIK). This ROM runs very quick, smooth. I'm still wondering about the newer radio, though I'm hesitant to flash it because I can't afford to screw up this phone. This is my ONLY phone, it has to work.
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As long as the Md5 matches your safe, just follow the instructions one at a time, like read all the way through them once and make sure you understand the steps, then go back and start the process, that's it the phone handles the rest...BUT its still scary I understand that, Hell I've had my own EVO Shift ROM for about 10 months and i still use the stock 2.2 radio on that phone
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strapped365 said:
As long as the Md5 matches your safe, just follow the instructions one at a time, like read all the way through them once and make sure you understand the steps, then go back and start the process, that's it the phone handles the rest...BUT its still scary I understand that, Hell I've had my own EVO Shift ROM for about 10 months and i still use the stock 2.2 radio on that phone
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Given that I'm running 1.55.531.3, S-OFF and rooted, with the original stock radio, and everything is working splendidly (wi-fi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc.), I'm not gonna mess with it for now.
I'm interested to see what HTC comes out with since they halted the 1.55.531.3 OTA update due to "performance issues". When they restart, I wonder if it will be a different version, for instance.
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Given that I'm running 1.55.531.3, S-OFF and rooted, with the original stock radio, and everything is working splendidly (wi-fi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc.), I'm not gonna mess with it for now.
I'm interested to see what HTC comes out with since they halted the 1.55.531.3 OTA update due to "performance issues". When they restart, I wonder if it will be a different version, for instance.
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Well them performance issues can and will be addressed asap, its all about tweaking the ROM, we had major Sense reloads on the evo shift so we learned to allocate more memory here rather than there, and once a ROM was odexed/scripted/opted they flat out flew.
When it comes to the radio on my DoubleShot i will probably never change the radio cause if it aint broke dont fix it
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Soo excited, i was afraid to do it for past few weeks, but finally decided to do it, lol had no prior experience on rooting and this was my first phone rooting EVER, but following guides helped me and downgraded, temp root, than perm rooted with S off , and finally a custom ROM without a problem in like 1 hour XD.
See pics below of my MT4G running the MIUI ROM.
So basically i was wondering what rom i should get(already bored of the MIUI XD), just give me some suggestions, and also what else can i do with perm root S-Off except for flashing roms and installed root only apps, is there anyways i can possibly change the Bootscreen where it says MyTouch 4g to something else? thanks
first off, congrats buddy, and welcome
personally i really like miui, the themeing and customization imo is one of the most powerful and best on a rom, and it's cm7 based, gotta love dat cm7
the new ICS, now that the camera works, and actually even before the camera (but having one is better than not), is what i'm running right now and i'm loving it alot, super smooth like butter.
have fun flashing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=956434
Check this thread, then search the themes and app forum for splash screen-there are several threads that have custom splash screens sized for our phone, am sure you will find one you like
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first off, congrats buddy, and welcome
personally i really like miui, the themeing and customization imo is one of the most powerful and best on a rom, and it's cm7 based, gotta love dat cm7
the new ICS, now that the camera works, and actually even before the camera (but having one is better than not), is what i'm running right now and i'm loving it alot, super smooth like butter.
have fun flashing
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Which version of ICS u using? any link if possible?
IceColdInsomnia
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551456
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IceColdInsomnia
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551456
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does facial recognition work?
and do i just wipe everything and flash?
adnw hat is that ->? kernel is provided at http://tiamat-dev.com/msm7230/
shahzod said:
is there anyways i can possibly change the Bootscreen where it says MyTouch 4g to something else? thanks
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be careful with this part. If u brick your phone, and it doesnt have the original splash screen, you 99.99999% wont be able to get a warranty replacement if u turn it on and it gets stuck on the splash screen saying anything but the official logo. I love customizing, but after bricking my last phone just by taking the battery out, I've chosen not to take risks like that. thats the only thing im keeping the same.
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does facial recognition work?
and do i just wipe everything and flash?
adnw hat is that ->? kernel is provided at http://tiamat-dev.com/msm7230/
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Facial recognition does not work in IceColdInsomnia 6.2.1. A planned update will include that feature (read the OP, it's all in there). If you're dying to try out face recognition unlock, give Zip's Creamed Glacier a shot. However, his version is completely stock (AOSP) whereas IceColdInsomnia is AOKP, meaning it has been modified with tweaks and customizations, the most significant which is ROM Control. It basically gives you a few more options in the settings to tweak to your liking; it also includes the option to skip tracks by long-pressing the volume buttons while the screen is off. That is one feature I cannot live without...
Anyways, yes, you wipe everything and flash it. You can disregard the kernel posted at the link because one is already included in the ROM.
check out "Zips Creamed Glacier"
c707h3j said:
Facial recognition does not work in IceColdInsomnia 6.2.1. A planned update will include that feature (read the OP, it's all in there). If you're dying to try out face recognition unlock, give Zip's Creamed Glacier a shot. However, his version is completely stock (AOSP) whereas IceColdInsomnia is AOKP, meaning it has been modified with tweaks and customizations, the most significant which is ROM Control. It basically gives you a few more options in the settings to tweak to your liking; it also includes the option to skip tracks by long-pressing the volume buttons while the screen is off. That is one feature I cannot live without...
Anyways, yes, you wipe everything and flash it. You can disregard the kernel posted at the link because one is already included in the ROM.
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the most well rounded ICS Rom in my opinion is "Zips Creamed Glacier"
*usb works
*facial recognition works
*low mic issue has been resolved.
*both cameras are working
i've been using it for the past three days and i don't have anything negative to say. check it out im pretty sure u guys won't be disappointed.
Personally I believe this ROM is the best:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563576
It combines the two best ICS ROMs together, forming the most optimal one for now. Too bad the download has been taken down for the time of being.
I finally talked my wife into letting me root her mt4g. I jumped into mine too fast and had issues. Actually I had my bootloader unlocked by htc, and it took me many tries to reverse the damage of HTC method, but i finally got mine right. But today, from the time i pryed it outta her hand til i finished, took me about 10 to 15 minutes, since i have all the files in the right places. Im pretty good now, but i was just ignorant a few weeks ago! I enjoyed doing hers. But she didnt want ics yet, so i put Darkside Sense 4 on hers for now. I am waiting just a tad bit longer, the I'm gonna move on to ics...
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Congrats on the root!! Like you I also rooted my glacier, about 6 months ago though. I flashed my new boot image but I've seen some apps that might flash it for you - check out rom toolbox
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I am currently running Zips Creamed Glacier 3.11. Its awesome apart from a few small issues. But Zips has promised to resolve them and bring in some more awesome goodies. Can't wait. You should give this ROM a try.
yeh ive been tring to download it but the links say : "taken down for the time being..."
I want to try it though =/
Congrtulation Man
shahzod said:
Soo excited, i was afraid to do it for past few weeks, but finally decided to do it, lol had no prior experience on rooting and this was my first phone rooting EVER, but following guides helped me and downgraded, temp root, than perm rooted with S off , and finally a custom ROM without a problem in like 1 hour XD.
See pics below of my MT4G running the MIUI ROM.
So basically i was wondering what rom i should get(already bored of the MIUI XD), just give me some suggestions, and also what else can i do with perm root S-Off except for flashing roms and installed root only apps, is there anyways i can possibly change the Bootscreen where it says MyTouch 4g to something else? thanks
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HTC mytouch 4g my first android phone, I really want to root it.
I Unlocked the bootloader and then I can do nothing(downgrade always fail).
can you help me to root my phone?
Thank's a lot.
snayfer said:
HTC mytouch 4g my first android phone, I really want to root it.
I Unlocked the bootloader and then I can do nothing(downgrade always fail).
can you help me to root my phone?
Thank's a lot.
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Did u unlock the bootloader via HTC if u did big mistake
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snayfer said:
HTC mytouch 4g my first android phone, I really want to root it.
I Unlocked the bootloader and then I can do nothing(downgrade always fail).
can you help me to root my phone?
Thank's a lot.
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SAME THING HAPPEN TO ME FOR SOME REASON SOME HTC MYTOUCH 4gs WONT LET YOU MANUALLY DOWNGRADE don't know why. I have rooted over 3 mytouch 4gs and never had this happend.. Will I found a solution to finally root mine.
use this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
**Make sure you do the Fast boot Method INSTEAD OF MANUEL DOWNGRADE if you are having the problem where you can't downgrade MAKE SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING CAREFULLY GOOD LUCK**
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Hi, I have noticed a ton of people curious about why AT&T people do not have ICS yet, so I thought I would answer that once and for all. I admit that I and others have gotten a little mad whenever people ask about this, but it seems they are not able to really find a clear answer, so here it is.
If you feel like this is well done, please sticky it at least until we get it all figured out.
I figure this would be best said i a Q and A type form.
Q: What is ICS, and why does everyone want it so bad?
ICS or "Ice Cream Sandwich" is android version 4.0.x. the next version, 4.1 Jellybean was just released as a slightly less important update, but ICS brought huge changes from Ginger Bread (2.3.x) the previous phone version (3.x HoneyComb was tablet only). ICS brings a slicker, darker, and better looking user interface, as well as many performance enhancements. Most of us want it more because it seems like we should than because it is actually that much better. That said it is still a great update, and most people will be happy to see it.
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Q: Why is it so hard to get ICS for our phone, while others have it even though it is not officially out?
The main reason is our locked bootloader. That means it is not possible to flash or boot a custom kernel unless it is signed with Motorola's key. That is obviously impossible.
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Q: What is a kernel?
the kernel is a major part of any operating system. you can think of it as a sort of layer between hardware and software. It is the part of an OS that communicates directly with a device's hardware. Android is based off the open source Linux kernel, meaning it is free for anybody to build and modify. However, Motorola has only released the source for the ME865, and partially for the MB865, meaning we can't really build a kernel anyways. Then of course, even if we could build one, we wouldn't be able to boot it with our locked bootloader.
ICS is not really complete without the newer kernel that goes with it
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What is Kexec, and is there any way to unlock the bootloader
The fact that I grouped these together would probably lead you to correctly believe they are related. Lets start with the second half. Simply put, NO. I hate to say it, but there is very little hope of EVER unlocking our bootloader, unless Motorola decides to do something like HTC did and allow unlocking.
Kexec is a method of hot switching kernels while still booted. It is actually just a linux tool that you can use on a computer, but it has been built for android essentially allowing you to bypass the bootloader. Theoretically it would be an easy way to run custom kernels. Then why don't we? Well a few reasons. One, we can't really get one built to begin with, especially because, at least to my knowledge, jimbridgman is the only one who actually knows what he is doing with kernel building, and he is only half here now that he got his fany new SGS3. Two, it does not work great. I am not sure the latest version is working at all on our phone, and even if it did, only one processor comes up, meaning it is really slow.
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Q: What's the deal with these Droid 3 builds that supposedly boot?
Some people managed to build ICS for the droid 3 based of a 2.3.6 kernel. that means you can boot it on a stock GB kernel, and therefore you do not need to unlock the bootloader. Unfortunately that means it is not totally ICS, but it is still pretty good. Of course they are for a cdma phone, so that means no data, no calls, and no gps, making it kind of useless.
I am not going to give a link to them, but if you are really interested go search around. any of the Droid 3 AOKP and CM9 builds will boot just fine. Find more info in the dev section, but please don't start a thread asking about it.
We have been trying to port these to work for us, but that is proving more difficult than expected, and with ICS just around the corner, I don't want to put time into it. I do think it is possible, and if you are a dev looking to give it a shot, PM me and I will tell you all I know, and try to help out as much as I can.
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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thanks. I felt it was needed. let me know if I forgot to say something important.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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Nice work kras, as always.
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Hell i thought this thread was going to give me info on why att hadn't released ics for us yet. Just kidding, good job. If this thread falls down the list ill bump it so maybe it will help some of the new people and we won't get any more new threads about ics.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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that's why I asked for sticky
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The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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so is September
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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yep. same thing. we have a hard time compiling any also source as you need a custom kernel
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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You are not right. I can prove it. The latest droid 3 AOKP and Cm9 builds will boot just fine, with no radio
You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
Ravikirancg said:
DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM9
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Couldn't be more wrong....they both boot just fine and are pretty functional, the problem lies in getting the radio to work.
Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Agreed, They actually run extremely well, but obviously I can't stick with them with no radio.
P.S. this is my new best thought for porting, might take some extra build.prop work too. It did not boot for me, but I think we should be able to get it to. Then it is just a question of whether or not the radio will work. there is way more in build.prop on that than I would think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
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WOW, did I really forget to add that? that was kind of one of the main points of this post I'll fix it tomorrow (actually today, I guess it is after midnight), but I need some sleep.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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I have tried this method along with every idea that popped in my head of things to alter after following this guide. I have a highly modified build prop that AOKP boots with that I replaced with a lot of our build prop but there are still some things missing as no luck yet
Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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seriously?? can a mod just lock this before it explodes
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I dont know anything...but its a harsh truth that moto wont unlock bootloader..
Locked boot loader means NO CM7/9.
PERIOD.
Whatever the defy boys have is probably some half-arsed hacked port.
Please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, search before you ask next time.
Here, I'll do it for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=will+cyanogenmod+work+on+a+locked+bootloader?+
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seriously?? can a mod just lock this before it explodes
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Agreed. I hope we don't start seeing a bunch of these, "Well this phone or that phone can have (whatever) so what's up with the ATRIX 2?"
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Hmmm
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Every other good phone has it...even the ones with locked BL like defy......
Come on guys..we have one of the best phones .....atrix 2 aint bull****...if not everything then maybe CM would atleast make most of us happy......be a team ..if not many then atleast one awsomely working CM ....i dont want samsung or htc....look at them ..brick bug or touch issues or battery backup........we have no issues except BL ......
And can someone tell me when kexec comes out.. usable for us.....
Im happy though with my A2
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i know u r right...since i had defy with cm7 though its bootloader is unlocked ....but u cannot complain about it .....u bought the phone ...nobody forced u ......be happy with what u got nd devs can offer ...if u cant help....dnt expect to get help /......fair enough ,....not to be harsh ,its just as simple as that
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i know u r right...since i had defy with cm7 though its bootloader is unlocked ....but u cannot complain about it .....u bought the phone ...nobody forced u ......be happy with what u got nd devs can offer ...if u cant help....dnt expect to get help /......fair enough ,....not to be harsh ,its just as simple as that
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Or the OP could learn how to dev and try and compile CM9 for himself and see where he gets. Most of our devs did not start out as devs.
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Or the OP could learn how to dev and try and compile CM9 for himself and see where he gets. Most of our devs did not start out as devs.
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+1 to that A BIG ONE
This is getting to be a every day thing here and i personally am running out of patience because of people not taking five minutes to read up on their already answered questions. I propose that we start ignoring these type of posts from now on. That to me is the best solution.
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This is getting to be a every day thing here and i personally am running out of patience because of people not taking five minutes to read up on their already answered questions. I propose that we start ignoring these type of posts from now on. That to me is the best solution.
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Agreed.
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@OP yea good attitude now go do RnD for yourself, you cant search sh!t in first place and you dare to order other respected people ? Just cut your [email protected] and stop posting useless threads.
+1 tmease. I concur.
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BOOMSHAKALAKAAAAA!
(That's this thread exploding :-D )
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Not a bad idea. I came from defy.
They basically run cm7/9 with an existing signed moto kernel.
Myself, am interested in porting the 2nd init from defy. Really hope I can do it.
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Not a bad idea. I came from defy.
They basically run cm7/9 with an existing signed moto kernel.
Myself, am interested in porting the 2nd init from defy. Really hope I can do it.
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Do a search... we already have done something similar, it is slow, and not worth it, since we don't have space on the internal storage to put the 2nd ROM, so it MUST go on the SDcard.
It was abandoned due to the fact that it was so slow it was unusable. Besides there are many of us that have been working to get CM7 and CM9 working from a port without success.... but you are more than welcome to jump in and lend a hand, we have a post in the dev section about it for aokp and CM9.
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Do a search... we already have done something similar, it is slow, and not worth it, since we don't have space on the internal storage to put the 2nd ROM, so it MUST go on the SDcard.
It was abandoned due to the fact that it was so slow it was unusable. Besides there are many of us that have been working to get CM7 and CM9 working from a port without success.... but you are more than welcome to jump in and lend a hand, we have a post in the dev section about it for aokp and CM9.
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Do you mean as in a multi boot?
The Defy I had, I flashed a defy+ sbf too then plonked cm9 on, no 2nd rom/boot or such.
My understanding was that the purpose of 2nd init was to hijack the init process and allow to boot into boot manager.
I'm also guessing bootmanager would need to be built from source to suit the A2?
I've read a few of your posts mate, worked with Linus? Legend.
You will by far know more than I do these days, but I'll see what I can do to help.
First I'll deodex the ics leak I'm running and make a Cwm backup to upload. Not sure how useful it will be due to the kernel.
The U.S, Europe and Asia hardware is all different?
The one last thing I remember from defy was I had to use at&t baseband since telecom nz uses the same carrier frequency.
And ran the defy+ rom on old red lense ddfy without a single issue at defy+ stock clock freq
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Do you mean as in a multi boot?
The Defy I had, I flashed a defy+ sbf too then plonked cm9 on, no 2nd rom/boot or such.
My understanding was that the purpose of 2nd init was to hijack the init process and allow to boot into boot manager.
I'm also guessing bootmanager would need to be built from source to suit the A2?
I've read a few of your posts mate, worked with Linus? Legend.
You will by far know more than I do these days, but I'll see what I can do to help.
First I'll deodex the ics leak I'm running and make a Cwm backup to upload. Not sure how useful it will be due to the kernel.
The U.S, Europe and Asia hardware is all different?
The one last thing I remember from defy was I had to use at&t baseband since telecom nz uses the same carrier frequency.
And ran the defy+ rom on old red lense ddfy without a single issue at defy+ stock clock freq
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Yeah we used a util called safestrap that another dev and I patched to make it work on this phone that was originally from hashcode.
It allowed us to boot another ROM on say our SDcard, but again it still has to use our kernel due to the bootloader issue...
The only way around the bootloader as of now is by using kexec, and that only works with 1 CPU and can only load a "stock based" unsigned kernel, so the CM stuff is out.
We are working to get CM9 and or AOKP booting from a port on our phone using the stock GB kernel. There is a post on it in the dev section.
Yeah Linus is a Friend, a great guy and I can't say enough good things about him. I have not seen him since the last Linux world / Opensource world now as it is called.
Yeah you should jump in and join the frey, we can always use more help in here.
Well it wasn't hard to work out how to get a 2nd init style boot. (As in, blue light, press vol down, gets bootmenu)
Except bootmenu is garbled screen. I need to test more, and probably mod some of the scripts.
Heres a system nandroid of ICS http://www.4shared.com/archive/bp3qzA9o/Atrix2-ICS-NANDROID__672112asi.html
Dunno how much use it will be since I didn't get the kernel.
Got it.... thanks
i am new to the one s but not to flashing. i am coming from a galaxy s sprint epic. while i was on that, cm10.1 & 10.2 were great advancements to the stock gb which always seems to take forever for updates. but with this huge leap in smartphone power, do i really need to root & flash? even with all the bloatware that i don't use, the phone is very fast. and i can get two days easily from my battery (which i charge every night so that's not an issue). i used to flash just to have the latest but i think i just want functionality. also, i don't put that much on my phone so 16g should be plenty, even with all the bloatware. not that i wouldn't flash to get better use out of my device but i just don't think i need to. please convince my otherwise.
Root just to try new roms or mods that improve your experience. Otherwise no need
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The stock experience is great IMO. Only point in rooting is to remove bloatware
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I'm surprised--
You joined in 2008 and still posted in wrong section
You have flashed roms before and still curious to the benefits of rooting
No disrespect--just a thread you would expect a new member/user to start
Either way, Happy New Year to you and all--
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Root just to try new roms or mods that improve your experience. Otherwise no need
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Once youve been rooted, you cant be without root, regardless of ROM.
There are plenty of benefits in rooting even on stock roms.
Infact, a non-rooted device is like a windows PC with only access to your desktop...
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I'm surprised--
You joined in 2008 and still posted in wrong section
You have flashed roms before and still curious to the benefits of rooting
No disrespect--just a thread you would expect a new member/user to start
Either way, Happy New Year to you and all--
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should i have posted in Q&A? i thought i did. i even had to go through statistics to see where i started this thread because i couldn't find it in Q&A. if i should've posted somewhere else, whoops, feel free to move.
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Once youve been rooted, you cant be without root, regardless of ROM.
There are plenty of benefits in rooting even on stock roms.
Infact, a non-rooted device is like a windows PC with only access to your desktop...
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explain why?
why?
i guess i wasn't clear. i know the benefits of root. i've been flashing roms on my last 3 devices. the answers i was trying get were more along the lines of what are the main changes people are making to their stock phones. does all the bloatware inhibit speed or limit space? are there roms or tweeks that people can't live without? or do people unlock, root and flash just because they like to mess with their phones/have the latest even if it doesn't work correctly?
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should i have posted in Q&A? i thought i did. i even had to go through statistics to see where i started this thread because i couldn't find it in Q&A. if i should've posted somewhere else, whoops, feel free to move.
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No, it is in General--It's all good--
When I get my Note 2/3 I will probably only root for Nandroids and Titanium BackUp. I think that phone and maybe SGSIV may stand on their own without a need to flash roms. Might be wrong though-- There are still more sweets after Jelly Beans--
Your last question answered your own question. Today's smartphones don't really require root, UNLESS you like tweaking your phone.....which most of us love to do, otherwise we wouldn't be here. You can easily get rid of bloatware with a new launcher. IE: Nova or Apex are my favorites. Just disable and hide them, you'll never see them again. Back in the day people rooted mainly to get the latest OS quicker....these days the newer smartphones already come with the latest OS, so it's all a matter of whether you like tweaking your phone or not. There are still great benefits to rooting, but these days it's more personal preference over flashing the latest OS.
Just my 2 cents.
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I can explain it in one word: Control.
I want to be in charge of the device, not letting the device be in charge of me. If you want that you might as well go with apple, who makes good devices with a terrible OS, imo.
Well I will root my htc one s because the latest update to 4.1 is crap. My battery drains so fast. So if I don't find a solution for this I might downgrade back to ics 4.04 or maybe a better custom rom...otherwise I would've kept the rom not rooted. Especialy because now we can disable an app that it is not usefull.
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Well I will root my htc one s because the latest update to 4.1 is crap. My battery drains so fast. So if I don't find a solution for this I might downgrade back to ics 4.04 or maybe a better custom rom...otherwise I would've kept the rom not rooted. Especialy because now we can disable an app that it is not usefull.
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is it just the official update that is bad? or is it a jb thing that hasn't been worked out. battery is huge for me.
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is it just the official update that is bad? or is it a jb thing that hasn't been worked out. battery is huge for me.
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Can't comment on stock but Blackout rom has been good for me.
I root because you can never seem to turn the screen brightness down far enough without root access, that and I don't like being locked out of a file system by manufacturers who don't trust my common sense.
I flash only when a device is older and/or no longer getting updated and something like CM gives me a major improvement.
Even if you want to run a stock ROM, unlocking/rooting (and flashing a custom recovery) enables you to make and restore nandroid backups and use tools like Titanium. It's also makes it easier to repair if you ever run into trouble like boot loops.