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This is pretty recent but the CEO of Google announced they've acquired Motorola: http://www.businessinsider.com/breaking-google-buying-motorola-mobility-for-125-billion-2011-8
This should be good.
DANGIT NINJA'D. Deprecate this.
I had heard about Moto's plans to sue google over Android, and am pleased.
Google's official release:-
http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
genieass said:
I had heard about Moto's plans to sue google over Android, and am pleased.
Google's official release:-
http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
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moto wants to sue android
google's answer - buy them out.
I believe google is now a patent troll...
domineus said:
moto wants to sue android
google's answer - buy them out.
I believe google is now a patent troll...
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Where does this whole Moto-wanted-to-sue-Google come from?
I guess the next nexus after prime is going to be Motos from now on.
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Yep, nice patent portfolio. Now they just need to work out which ones Apple are infringing!
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Where does this whole Moto-wanted-to-sue-Google come from?
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Think it is in reference to Motorola to collect IP royalties from other Android Makers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1213724
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Where does this whole Moto-wanted-to-sue-Google come from?
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http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=motorola+suing+android+IP
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or...
http://www.developerfusion.com/news/124087/motorola-to-sue-own-kind-take-on-android-partners/
its been all over tech blogs for the past few days. Google then purchases motorola?
It seems very ostentatious considering Motorola was considering using other OSes not named android and even making their own OS. Collecting all information about Motorola and Google, I think an inferred plan was to slowly transition away from Google Android for more profit. And I repeat, Google buys Motorola. Yeah...This isn't a sign of dominance from google or anything...
Woohoo!!!!!!!! is what I can say to this. Now Google has the means to fight back.
Other manufacturers, HTC, Sony and LG are happy too: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/google-acquiring-motorola-mobility/
Yes!!!!
domineus said:
I believe google is now a patent troll...
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Err, what??
domineus said:
moto wants to sue android
google's answer - buy them out.
I believe google is now a patent troll...
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Well, of course. A tried-and-true method used by Microsoft and others since patents began.
There's another possibility. Instead of charging for the patents they own, Google could strengthen Android's market position even further by offering free usage rights to HTC,Samsung and others if they use Google-approved versions of vanilla Android. That way they can have some control of the (so called) "fragmentation problem" caused in part by Sense, Motoblur and similar overlays without making Android more closed than it already is. The carrot-and-stick approach. Use vanilla Android, we won't charge patent fees.
But my gut feeling is it's maybe ultimately more about hardware and being able to dictate exactly what hardware runs basic Android OS on Google-branded phones, a-la Apple with the iPhone and iOS. Google is not so stupid they haven't noticed the piles of money Apple is making on hardware sales.
domineus said:
moto wants to sue android
google's answer - buy them out.
I believe google is now a patent troll...
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You clearly don't have a clue what a patent troll actually is.
domineus said:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=motorola+suing+android+IP
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or...
http://www.developerfusion.com/news/124087/motorola-to-sue-own-kind-take-on-android-partners/
its been all over tech blogs for the past few days. Google then purchases motorola?
It seems very ostentatious considering Motorola was considering using other OSes not named android and even making their own OS. Collecting all information about Motorola and Google, I think an inferred plan was to slowly transition away from Google Android for more profit. And I repeat, Google buys Motorola. Yeah...This isn't a sign of dominance from google or anything...
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I failed to see a connection b/w Motorola suing other handset manufacturers and Motorola suing Google.
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I failed to see a connection b/w Motorola suing other handset manufacturers and Motorola suing Google.
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I also said Motorola wanted to SUE ANDROID not other handset manufacturers...
no connection, Jha openly stated that was the course
You clearly don't have a clue what a patent troll actually is.
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Really
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...e-v-bing-slap-fight-explained-piece-by-piece/
when google assumed Microsoft was using their service, they were up in arms ready to sue microsoft and sue any other company that thought they were using their IP. They purchase MM for defense, even though MM wanted to sue google...in a veil attempt to countersue Apple and Microsoft...
patent troll
Patent troll is a pejorative term used for a person or company that enforces its patents against one or more alleged infringers in a manner considered unduly aggressive or opportunistic, often with no intention to manufacture or market the patented invention
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Hm, sounds awful familiar. Google continues the same trolling microsoft and apple has done.
savior of humanity
right
Does it give google some fight? Sure. Much fight? Not really. MM still has suits from Microsoft and Apple to contend with. And if anything from the past weeks have shown, Google isn't really good at PR, nor are they good at defense...
Am I intrigued? Sure. But hey it goes to show google is a company like microsoft
domineus said:
I also said Motorola wanted to SUE ANDROID not other handset manufacturers...
no connection, Jha openly stated that was the course
Really
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...e-v-bing-slap-fight-explained-piece-by-piece/
when google assumed Microsoft was using their service, they were up in arms ready to sue microsoft and sue any other company that thought they were using their IP. They purchase MM for defense, even though MM wanted to sue google...in a veil attempt to countersue Apple and Microsoft...
Hm, sounds awful familiar. Google continues the same trolling microsoft and apple has done.
savior of humanity
right
Does it give google some fight? Sure. Much fight? Not really. MM still has suits from Microsoft and Apple to contend with. And if anything from the past weeks have shown, Google isn't really good at PR, nor are they good at defense...
Am I intrigued? Sure. But hey it goes to show google is a company like microsoft
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Again, you have some reading comprehension issues - Android is a registered trademark of Google, Inc., nowhere Moto claimed to sue Android.
I'm 10000% sure they didn't come up with this deal over night, or in the last couple of weeks.
So this whole suing stuff has been BS.
this seems out of character for google. Don't they usually just buy software companies?
Quick note.... Google is purchasing Motorola Mobility, not all of Motorola. I don't thing Google wants to have/sell the hardware for cable boxes , motherboards (MSI) and other components? Or do they?
As far as Google being a patent troll -- only if they start going out and frivolously trying to sue the competition into the ground.
The fact of the matter is, and Google has admitted this, that even if you don't LIKE the game, you have to PLAY the game, or you get sued back to the stone age. That's the facts. If we want Android phones, then Google has to have a strong patent portfolio, frivolous or no.
Clarification is in order here. Google has announced that they will acquire Motorola. The deal has not gone through yet, and AFAIK it has to be approved by the US Government, EU and anywhere else they both do business. I expect that the EU will take the longest since they're way more thorough when it comes to privacy and anti-trust issues.
We all know there isn't any, but that doesn't mean they will skip the due-diligence on this.
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Really
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...e-v-bing-slap-fight-explained-piece-by-piece/
when google assumed Microsoft was using their service, they were up in arms ready to sue microsoft and sue any other company that thought they were using their IP. They purchase MM for defense, even though MM wanted to sue google...in a veil attempt to countersue Apple and Microsoft...
Hm, sounds awful familiar. Google continues the same trolling microsoft and apple has done.
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Yes, really. Buying a company that was intending to sue them is not being a patent troll. A patent troll is a person/company who patents a concept and then never does anything with it until some other person/company does, then sues them. It's also been defined as a person/company who sues others based on frivolous use of vaguely similar concepts.
Show me where Google is suing anyone for this. If you can't, they're not patent trolls and you fail at reading.
All they've done here is take up a defensive position to protect themselves from lawsuits, and will most likely use the patents they've acquired to work out a cross-licensing deal with Microsoft & Apple to get rid of all of this stupid patent suing garbage.
So now that Google has acquired Motorola, what does this mean for us? I would assume the big Android backers like LG and Samsung have plan B's? I know samsung has the Bada O.S., not sure what LG will do. But we can all expect that as of today, all plans for Samsung to continue android development has all but ceased. Wouldn't make good sense for them to continue to put money in Google's pocket now that they are in the hardware business.
in case you haven't seen it...
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/15/google-to-acquire-motorola-mobility-for-12-5-billion/
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But we can all expect that as of today, all plans for Samsung to continue android development has all but ceased.
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It would be silly for Samsung to stop making android phones. Your assumption is just that, and it's not a very good one.
This deal isn't closed. It's still subject to regulatory approval.. and if it gets approved we wont see anything for a while..
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writing is on the wall.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...V0aGFib3U-?sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
If you believe google bought Motorola for just the patents, pass the pipe this way....
Google could have paid a fraction of that, to buy the patents and give motorola a long term lease on them that expires beyond the patent. This occurs frequently. Google just did this a few weeks ago where they bought 1000+ patents from IBM.
Google bought Motorola for both reasons. They realized that apple is running the table with profits on hardware. You can only make so much money giving away your stuff for free.
I hate when companys do stuff like this. This will only turn into another iphone type company. You will see the cost of phones going up.. Google is trying to be the next Apple.
We can all kiss open source goodbye.
Goodbye ANDROID hello MOTOROID OR MOTODROID
Relax, this is a good thing.
http: //androidandme.com/2011/08/news/google-acquires-motorola-mobility-in-order-to-protect-android-from-patent-trolls/
lefunque said:
Relax, this is a good thing.
http: //androidandme.com/2011/08/news/google-acquires-motorola-mobility-in-order-to-protect-android-from-patent-trolls/
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Definitely a good thing. Google will remain open source (they're not dumb enough to put an end to that) and it helps with the frivolous legal battle apple and microsoft has been going after everyone about. I just hope they finally unlock the motos soon. Always liked the phones but I love custom roms too much to deal with a locked bootloader (thus why my X2 went bye bye)
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I wouldn't worry. Google purchasing Motorola actually benefits all Android device manufacturers.
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What does Google buying Motorola MOBILITY have to do with the other android OEM's? Nothing. Google just did this to back up all their OEM's with Motorola's patents.
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Another thing people don't seem to realize is that if Google does begin to behave badly, Samsung et al can just fork the code base.
Nothing is stopping Samsung, LG, HTC, Amazon, BN, and others from forming a consortium to develop there own brand of forked Android OS for use on their own smart phones.
For those that are optimistic, sorry to disappoint, but this is not. I’ve seen this same situation many times and it never works out. In fact, think of the last time this situation has turned out positive for the co-dependents.
I was at a huge oracle conference when oracle stabbed their 2 biggest sponsors in the heart. These sponsors (HP and Redhat) paid millions for sponsorship. They had their logos on stages, bags handed out, and BANG! Oracle announced on Day 1 that they were acquiring SUN and supporting all unix O.S. by themselves. HP had just the previous year made a huge deal with oracle on an agreement to be their primary hardware supplier and even worked on Oracle’s newest tech, oracle exadata, with them. At first, all the lovey dovey stuff came out and HP and oracle both said this was going to be great for both of them. Redhat said the boost in Unix OS would be good for them. NOT TRUE. Redhat is barely staying alive after putting all their eggs in the oracle basket. HP partnered with Microsoft to make the next big thing in the HP slate, vaporware, only to have to buy the PALM O.S. which isn’t working too good. It’s always like this. The mobile industry is about to become a 2 horse race. Samsung, HTC, LG, I see T.V. Sets in your future.
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For those that are optimistic, sorry to disappoint, but this is not. I’ve seen this same situation many times and it never works out. In fact, think of the last time this situation has turned out positive for the co-dependents.
I was at a huge oracle conference when oracle stabbed their 2 biggest sponsors in the heart. These sponsors (HP and Redhat) paid millions for sponsorship. They had their logos on stages, bags handed out, and BANG! Oracle announced on Day 1 that they were acquiring SUN and supporting all unix O.S. by themselves. HP had just the previous year made a huge deal with oracle on an agreement to be their primary hardware supplier and even worked on Oracle’s newest tech, oracle exadata, with them. At first, all the lovey dovey stuff came out and HP and oracle both said this was going to be great for both of them. Redhat said the boost in Unix OS would be good for them. NOT TRUE. Redhat is barely staying alive after putting all their eggs in the oracle basket. HP partnered with Microsoft to make the next big thing in the HP slate, vaporware, only to have to buy the PALM O.S. which isn’t working too good. It’s always like this. The mobile industry is about to become a 2 horse race. Samsung, HTC, LG, I see T.V. Sets in your future.
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Nope, different situation. Oracle's bread and butter is, and has always been, very proprietary software and consulting services. Once they had there own underling OS and control of Java, they quickly began bringing as much as possible in house. That was the Oracle mentality from the giddy-up though and Red Hat/HP should have been aware of that. Very common with companies like that (MS, for example, has a very long and sordid history of doing the same thing).
Google is quite a bit different. For one thing, their bread and butter isn't in Android as an OS, it is in data collection and analytics (for advertising, marketing, and such) as well as various cloud services. Hardware margins being what they are, and Google's core business being what it is, it will be in Google's best interest to make sure that Android continues to be on as much hardware as possible.
yeah if anything the acquisition should be a good thing, hopefully they will take the moto phones and unlock them and put some pressure on other companies to follow suit. i think they will do some good things with moto's hardware and get other companies on top of their stuff, IE updates, unlocked bootloaders, not such garbage UI's, etc, etc......
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Nope, different situation. Oracle's bread and butter is, and has always been, very proprietary software and consulting services. Once they had there own underling OS and control of Java, they quickly began bringing as much as possible in house. That was the Oracle mentality from the giddy-up though and Red Hat/HP should have been aware of that. Very common with companies like that (MS, for example, has a very long and sordid history of doing the same thing).
Google is quite a bit different. For one thing, their bread and butter isn't in Android as an OS, it is in data collection and analytics (for advertising, marketing, and such) as well as various cloud services. Hardware margins being what they are, and Google's core business being what it is, it will be in Google's best interest to make sure that Android continues to be on as much hardware as possible.
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Love ya response. It's a very good point. I looked a little more into it and found that motorola aquired General instruments. The company every cable company uses for it's DVR. apparently motorola owns the DVR patents and is currently suing TIVO. if motorola wins, nobody will be able to record T.V. but them. If Google can get into every Cable box and keep apple from ever creating a DVR.......
Samsung said this:
“We welcome today’s news, which demonstrates Google’s deep commitment to defending Android, its partners, and the ecosystem.”
J.K. Shin, president of Samsung’s Mobile Communications division.
If anything this will boost more innovation.
"This acquisition will not change our commitment to run Android as an open platform. Motorola will remain a licensee of Android and Android will remain open. We will run Motorola as a separate business. Many hardware partners have contributed to Android’s success and we look forward to continuing to work with all of them to deliver outstanding user experiences."
-Larry Page (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html)
Google is anything but stupid, and they're not going to go shooting their partners -- which are the reason Android's so successful -- in the foot. Yes, this is obviously going to result in stronger competition for HTC, Samsung, LG, etc., and of course they aren't going to be thrilled about that, but it also drastically strengthens them against patent trolls and exorbitant patent licensing fees can cut into profits even more than stronger competition.
Plus, keep in mind that Motorola has a seriously low market share compared to HTC or Samsung -- they're in seventh place worldwide. This isn't like if Google bought HTC (which could have afforded to do -- but didn't because HTC has a tiny patent portfolio). In other wordS: if Motorola were the only one making Android handsets, Android would quickly fall to third or fourth place in the OS race.
Anyways, long story short: this means nothing for us other than that the next time we buy a phone, Motorola handsets may be better options. Of course, it just may spur competitors to keep up faster with updates, etc., leading to better devices all-around. Either way, we, the consumers, win.
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"This acquisition will not change our commitment to run Android as an open platform. Motorola will remain a licensee of Android and Android will remain open. We will run Motorola as a separate business. Many hardware partners have contributed to Android’s success and we look forward to continuing to work with all of them to deliver outstanding user experiences."
-Larry Page (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html)
Google is anything but stupid, and they're not going to go shooting their partners -- which are the reason Android's so successful -- in the foot. Yes, this is obviously going to result in stronger competition for HTC, Samsung, LG, etc., and of course they aren't going to be thrilled about that, but it also drastically strengthens them against patent trolls and exorbitant patent licensing fees can cut into profits even more than stronger competition.
Plus, keep in mind that Motorola has a seriously low market share compared to HTC or Samsung -- they're in seventh place worldwide. This isn't like if Google bought HTC (which could have afforded to do -- but didn't because HTC has a tiny patent portfolio). In other wordS: if Motorola were the only one making Android handsets, Android would quickly fall to third or fourth place in the OS race.
Anyways, long story short: this means nothing for us other than that the next time we buy a phone, Motorola handsets may be better options. Of course, it just may spur competitors to keep up faster with updates, etc., leading to better devices all-around. Either way, we, the consumers, win.
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i get that is what is being said, but if i were in Samsung or HTC's camp, i would be re-considering my funding into a technology where the software i've been depending on could be pulled away at any moment. Now that google has the hardware side covered, if HTC and Samsung keep throwing money that way, it's a big risk.
Microsoft could always have bought a hardware company like Dell, but it knew what that would do to the confidence of other builders. IMO, google should just have bought the patents.
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i get that is what is being said, but if i were in Samsung or HTC's camp, i would be re-considering my funding into a technology where the software i've been depending on could be pulled away at any moment. Now that google has the hardware side covered, if HTC and Samsung keep throwing money that way, it's a big risk.
Microsoft could always have bought a hardware company like Dell, but it knew what that would do to the confidence of other builders. IMO, google should just have bought the patents.
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Like someone else said, it's in Google's best interest to keep android on as many devices as possible. I seriously doubt anything will change for sammy or htc.
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Now that Google is buying Motorola anyone think Motorola device will have an edge in terms of compatibility and/or performance? I know I will look harder at the Motorola product next time I get a tablet.
No. Google isn't like Apple... Google isn't a money hungry giant. Proof of this, just ask yourself "How many Google services do I pay for?" Your answer? None.
They aren't bias and one-sided either. Knowing Google, they will just use this to improve Android and their Nexus line, and Motorola's devices as well.
Google already said that this isn't going to effect Android in a bad way, but only make it stronger.
"We recently explained how companies including Microsoft and Apple are banding together in anti-competitive patent attacks on Android. The U.S. Department of Justice had to intervene in the results of one recent patent auction to 'protect competition and innovation in the open source software community' and it is currently looking into the results of the Nortel auction. Our acquisition of Motorola will increase competition by strengthening Google’s patent portfolio, which will enable us to better protect Android from anti-competitive threats from Microsoft, Apple and other companies."
"This acquisition will not change our commitment to run Android as an open platform. Motorola will remain a licensee of Android and Android will remain open. We will run Motorola as a separate business. Many hardware partners have contributed to Android’s success and we look forward to continuing to work with all of them to deliver outstanding user experiences."
Google says this was a way to strengthen Android and their fight to defend it from MS and Apple. If you look at the responses from HTC, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericson, they also think this was only a move to help Android.
The quotes are from DroidForums.
i love how all the apple kids are saying that google is now just like apple. i dont see google firing patent lawsuits over everyones bow...
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i love how all the apple kids are saying that google is now just like apple. i dont see google firing patent lawsuits over everyones bow...
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That's because they are ignorant and don't understand why Google did what they did.
actually, google is as money hungry as apple...except google's business model is in ads. the more appliances using google's ads, the more money google makes. this is why it is in google's interest to keep the android platform as lawsuit free as possible. by giving away free operating system that uses googe services, the better it is for google.
thankfully for us consumer, google's business model is actually pro-sumer as well (assuming you don't mind all the information gathering and stuff ). the way google makes money involves free (more like ad-supported), quality software for us.
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It's all a guessing game now. Only time will tell. No matter what they say.
I have searched all over the internet and there is no article that explains exactly WHY and HOW could MS collect Royalities from EVERY single company that putts Google's Operating system into their devices. and not just any amount, but 5-10$ from every sold device!?!
Could someone explain to me why ? How is it that Microsoft is earning billions from something that is not theirs .. ? And as I read in one article - they didnt even pull up the lawsuit, they are just threatening with words, and everyone agrees (HTC, LG, Samsung, EVERYONE!)
WHAT has MS made, that Android copied, and that it belongs into MS's patent claims .. ?
And, what on earth is Google doing about that ?
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I have searched all over the internet and there is no article that explains exactly WHY and HOW could MS collect Royalities from EVERY single company that putts Google's Operating system into their devices. and not just any amount, but 5-10$ from every sold device!?!
Could someone explain to me why ? How is it that Microsoft is earning billions from something that is not theirs .. ? And as I read in one article - they didnt even pull up the lawsuit, they are just threatening with words, and everyone agrees (HTC, LG, Samsung, EVERYONE!)
WHAT has MS made, that Android copied, and that it belongs into MS's patent claims .. ?
And, what on earth is Google doing about that ?
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Short answer: the patent system is broken, at least with regards to software. You can patent any stupidly obvious or generic idea ("slide to unlock") and the patent office, which makes money off these, will probably accept it.
(Indeed, there was an accepted 1996 patent on using a laser pointer to play with a cat. Go figure.)
Thus, companies like microsoft spam ideas into the patent office. And the patents are taken seriously enough that many companies would rather settle than take the risk of having their products blocked.
Android didn't necessarily "steal" anything; our patent system doesn't give a crap. See, patents were originally supposed to spread out the technical specifications of an idea, in order to spread the knowhow. The problem is, where it comes to software, the technical specification is so tied in to the idea itself that they're pretty much one and the same. Effectively, you're patenting ideas, and the broken patent system now punishes others for coming up with similar ideas. There's an entire literature on the brokenness, if you google around.
As for google itself, I'm not sure they are doing anything. They bought Motorola, but that might've been to protect themselves. If they have a plan for protecting their OS' manufacturers, it's not very obvious at all.
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TLDR: HTC, Samsung, etc being punished by a broken protectionist system. The only way around it is really to get rid of the system itself.
Ultimately, the users are the ones who suffer from having to pay the costs of all this litigation, but this is probably more a long-term than a short-term effect. For example, $5 of royalties will probably not make a phone go from $699.99 to $704.99. Rather, the effect is less money going into R&D all around, and more going into lawyers' pockets. So as a user, if a phone costs $650 or $600, that's just how much it costs.. for now.
So, basically, this is a Game of US companies and imprinting their legal system on the rest of the world .. ? .. ? Cause, I dont see anyone from the rest of the world getting anything extra .. ? Damn, someone needs to remove that continent from this planet.
But, WHAT is in the core of the Android so that MS gets their share .. ? I understand how HTC Sense may be connected to some of the early WM5 stuff, but what about the rest .. ? they CANT patent almost everything, or do they .. ? And as I figured out, most of the patented stuff is GUI, that is ridiculous!
MS don't collect from every android manufacturer, just some. Basically they claim google infringe on their patents and went to manufacturers saying "pay us or we sue you" but afaik no one knows what patents are infringed and I think Barnes and Noble told them to politely get lost so not sure how they fared but it shows not all say yes. Unfortunately ms have good lawyers that seem very persuasive.
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Just found out everything:
It is true, that few people know what is the actual deal. Google has sucessfully defended themselves from Oracle that claimed several patents, and purchase of Motorola from google is actually a defence mechanism cause Motorolla holds over 17.000 patents (W T F!!!!!) God knows how many Microsoft is holding, and how ridiculous those patents are being that they have much more than Motorola.
No one is considering abandoning Android cause that system actually made their devices popular, but still they all have a problem with MS blackmailing them. HTC made a boom, but they are still a small Taiwanese company that struggles all around (not getting Hanstar IPS pannels cause Apple ordered more, not getting Gorilla cause Apple and samsung ordered more, and so on) .. so the 5$ toll is pretty big number for HTC phones, and they are the ones that are in the biggest problem right now (not talking about smaller players in the game)
Damn you USA and your laws. Pizza is a vegetable, Kinder surprise is banned cause stupid american children would eat the toy. and Microsoft somehow owns Google's Android.
I think the better question is, what has google come up with themselves rather than buying or stealing it?
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I think the better question is, what has google come up with themselves rather than buying or stealing it?
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Why would they, if they can just take what everyone else is doing and put it mostly into one system they will never need to come up with any original ideas. Heck look at iOS5 and what they put into it. They added (just to name a few)
1. icloud (in essence a play on windows cloud service with their windows phone devices of cloud storage. the exception is this syncs with other ios devices but a play on microsofts idea)
2. draggable notification bar (android has had this forever now. The difference, on ios you can get a stock ticker and weather instead of just your notifications.)
3. imessage (Blackberry Messenger for ios basically)
4. OTA updates (blackberry and android both used this before apple)
5. wifi syncing (I know windows had this in their windows phone 7 devices not sure of any others that had this feature before kies air in samsung.)
6. Reminders, see reminders by date (a lot of the widgets on android let you do this without even having to open the calendar app)
that's just to name a few and just to show every company does it, even someone as big as apple does it. If you come up with your own that's great but people don't take to it as well as something they have already had. For instance if you had android and apple wants you to come over to apple they are gonna give you the things you love about android most like draggable notifications, wifi hotspot, etc. There is no need for originality anymore. That is just what this world has come to.
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I think the better question is, what has google come up with themselves rather than buying or stealing it?
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Why is that the question. Or are you suggesting that android is simply copied and stolen from others work?
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I think the better question is, what has google come up with themselves rather than buying or stealing it?
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What .. ? U serious .. ?
Man, copyright infringement these days is ridiculous, there is NO possible way to make anything "new" if you take that seriously, as it seems that american courts do.
It goes to the extent that almost anything can be patented, so that literally any rectangle shaped phone with TS could be patented by one company and so, baned for the rest. LG/Apple actually tried that (prada/iPhone) even though Eten, HTC (former Qtek) and HP already had PDA's with SIM functions much before that.
Android was developed before iOS (starting in 2005, already co-signed by 86 companies) and released in 2007, so there is no place for ripping off Apple. And, exept for the simultaneous development of iOS and Android which have similarities, I myself as a tech-geek and user of electronics, do not see ANY similarities of ANY android feature with ANY of the MS products and I had the chance to use them all - Windows versions on mobile and desktop machines. in terms of GUI and in terms of understanding how stuff works under the hood.
Im surely not able to understand 30k+ patents that MS holds, but that is not normal, that is more of a world sociology problem, rather than an actual technical one. that is retarded.
Igoritza said:
What .. ? U serious .. ?
Man, copyright infringement these days is ridiculous, there is NO possible way to make anything "new" if you take that seriously, as it seems that american courts do. .
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This is exactly on the dot. The way people have been duped into thinking that any sort of resemblance is "stealing" is actually sad.
And, unusually enough for z33, actually related to the topic. This entire ridiculous regime exists precisely because people are so ridiculously overprotective of their own ideas (or the ideas of whichever-team-you're-a-fanboi-of) while rationalizing their own copying of ideas from other people. The fact is, this copying is necessary because innovation does not exist in a vacuum, and yet we still react as stupid little apes when it comes to be our turn.
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Well, this is how the system works. It's not about anything true, just what you can prove to be true.
There even exist companies that have the sole purpose of buying patents and using those patents to sue other companies!
In terms of the mobile industry, in case you didn't know, it is currently one of the hottest arenas in terms of patent lawsuits.
Here is a nice graphic: http://flowingdata.com/2011/08/22/mobile-patent-lawsuits-2/
Real nice write up about our issues from the big dog...WIRED. Heres a small portion. Click for the full story. I've been tweeting and posting this link on HTC, ATT and Google facebook pages..
Dear Google: AT&T Locked Down the Best Android Handset Ever, and It’s Your Fault.
The whole promise of Android was that it was an open ecosystem — a contrast Google loves to draw with Apple’s closed system.
At the Google I/O conference in 2010, Google vice president Vic Gundotra intimated that Apple had become the Big Brother it promised to smash.
“If you believe in openness, if you believe in choice, if you believe in innovation from everyone, then welcome to Android,” Gundotra said. “If Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice.”
But carriers, who strangled handset and mobile application innovation for years until Apple wrested control from them, can’t stop themselves from bloating and crippling phones — including the ones Google touts as exemplars of openness.
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/05/google-android-open/
great story and post. i understand where these companies are coming from in locking down phones like the HOX. But like many others, it drives me insane and really does completely mock the integrity of Android. Glad to have Wired on board, hopefully Google, HTC, ATT at least take note of the consumer's malcontent and realize that the further they pander to the masses, the worse their product becomes. I was a truly a deep fan of the OG and 3G iphones but Apple (with the help of carriers) has gone into a SHARP decline over the years and now is really it's worst enemy. I can't accept that as an option of fate for Android.