I love the Droid Charge's hardware, I really do. Those first-gen Galaxy S PenTile AMOLED displays drove me nuts, LTE is the effing truth, and thankfully, the Wolfson DAC is just as killer as it was last time around -- I came from a Vibrant on T-Mobile.
As you can probably imagine, I'm loathe to give up LTE. And I've got incredible respect for the work that imnuts, imoseyon, the GummyCharged bros, and all the other developers here and at RW are putting into this phone to make it usable -- seriously, you guys are awesome. But the day-to-day with this phone is just wearing on me hard, and I really miss the serene world of stable CyanogenMod. These days, my battery will randomly choose days to die before I'm even home from work, the GPS chip doesn't seem any better than the Vibrant's was, the phone is noticeably less responsive than a CM7 device with similar internals, I still occaisionally get launcher redraws, and though it's improved considerably with EP3HA I still sometimes get data dropouts.
I know it's the same **** you guys all complain about, I guess I just wonder if anyone else has literally gotten so frustrated with it that they gave up the sweet nectar of LTE to get the hell away from this disaster of a software implementation. I joined the Galaxy S party late in the Vibrant's lifespan so I had a really positive experience thanks to all the great development people had done for it. I didn't really get the full flavor of "Samsung Disease" until this phone, and for chrissake, I can see why people were running the hate parade.
Has anyone else here gone back (or thought about going back) to an Ev-DO phone just for a better software experience? We can pretty much guarantee that the resale value of this phone is going to completely tank after the G-Nexus launches so I'm thinking it makes sense to get some cash out of it now. I literally won a clean ESN Fascinate auction on eBay last night for $81, so I'm psyched about that.
Incidentally I'll probably just buy another Charge for 81 dollars at this time next year after it's rocking official CM7. Then again, maybe the Galaxy Nexus will be cheap by then.
Thoughts?
Here's my thought: The grass is always greener. This is the Groundhog Day of phone forums.
If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
Cm7 is far from stable my friend. Try getting a nightly that doesn't play well with your kernal. Once you've bricked from this you will understand. In a year this will all be different. Phones are being released to developers first now to tweak them for the hard release. Think of it this way... The linux command for superuser, or "su" does not hurt the machine, but opens up commands to fine tune to the user's preferences. If we are given the base framework to recover to, there is no harm in supercharging the system, just so long as we can "reset" it in case of a system failure or resource exhaustion. Just wait until google buys MORE into samsung's development.
Speed rules...
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If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
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No kidding.. my thoughts exactly. This phone is without a doubt superior to the fascinate... then again, to each his own.
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As much as I love my rock solid stable fascinate tsm poolparty 1.5 with glitch v13 rc, Im moving on to the charge bought off funzy32. Why? because I got it for $185. I dont plan on having issues with the charge, because ive never had problems with any android device in three years which seems un-realistic, but Im sticking with my good luck reasoning. The charge in terms of development is still in its infancy. Hell, my first verizon device was an htc incredible and over a year later it is still being improved. I have absolute faith that the charge will be continually developed on. The fact is that it is not a low end device or a middle of the road device either. As many problems as the failure device known as the fascinate has. It currently has an Ics sdk port that from my understanding is pretty insane in its infancy. If the fascinate can make it, the charge will be doing the same.
I'd go back in a second! Sadly I had to send in my fassy to get this garbage.
I was thinking the same thing a couple days ago. I miss my fassy a lot, but it had its issues like calls never coming in or texts not going out. 4g is unbelievably fast...didn't expect it to be this fast, it trumps home internet like many have said.
The fassy was the better phone overall though no doubt. I regret getting the charge as a replacement. I don't have any issues with it but it just doesn't feel right.
You guys are quite the whiney lot.
OP, why don't you post what setup you were running so that maybe we could help diagnose your issues.
Obviously battery life on the Fascinate is going to be much better than on the Charge, with its larger screen and battery sucking LTE.
I've found the battery life to be tolerable on the Charge as long as I'm not doing anything ridiculous like streaming audio/video for long periods of time. I live outside of LTE service location so I have my phone set to CDMA only. As of right now, after a typical day of use (probably 30 texts, 30 minutes of Pandora streaming, 20 minutes of phone calls, and probably 3 solid hours of screen-on time while browsing) my battery has 40% charge after 7 hours and 20 minutes unplugged.
If your conscious about how you are using the battery it is pretty manageable. Turn off LTE when you don't need it. Turn off mobile data when you aren't using it. Switch onto a wifi signal when one is available. Turn off GPS when you're not using it. This is pretty common sense stuff.
As far as screen redraws, use V6 Supercharger. I used to be annoyed to no end because of redraws. Since loading the script, I've had maybe 4 redraws in about a month. I don't even notice it anymore.
Also, if you miss TSM, the latest GummyCharged has it. Just have to go over to Rootzwiki to get it, they don't care for xda anymore.
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You guys are quite the whiney lot.
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This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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kvswim said:
This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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Agreed. I really don't even understand the gripes. I guess its just me, but I believe this is hands down the best smartphone I've ever owned. Sure, I miss CM7 a bit which I too had on my fassy, but as I've heard mentioned before, what can the fassy do that the Charge cannot? Unless I'm being an absolute phone hog, I can easily go 12 hours a day without turning ANYTHING off. I don't get screen redraws, static phone calls, data drop offs, or any of the other complaints. I occasionally have some minor Rom nuances but you get that with just about any Rom and Android phone. I'm seriously loving my Droid Charge experience! I don't get the whining or the constant threads on this topic. If you don't like it, you don't need our approval to move on. Just get rid of the phone and move on already!
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I thought I was pretty clear in my OP, but maybe not. I miss CyanogenMod. That is the main thing that I miss. The Charge doesn't have it. I guess I also miss having a small device, but that's not a fair complaint right now -- LTE radios are chunky, and I recognize that.
The battery life has been a really big sore spot for me, too. I've tried setting the phone to CDMA/Ev-DO only (completely ignoring the ridiculousness of carrying a larger, more expensive device and toggling off its best feature) to get a feel for what I'd be getting into speedwise if I switched to a Fascinate. I rarely use GPS, and leave it turned off.
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the battery; on Wednesday I ran it CDMA-only and barely used the device at all outside of an hour or so of PowerAmp playback and a handful of Google searches and GV messages. I took it off the charger with 100% juice at 7:15 AM, and it was dead by 6:30 PM. The maddening part is that it's crazy inconsistent: there are days where it makes it through the whole day with 30% or so left,even though I've had LTE turned on all day and have been using the phone fairly extensively. I definitely don't think it's a hardware problem -- Engadget swears they got two days in their review of this thing. The best guess I've been able to piece together is that the battery loss has something to do with with the phone's poor tower handoffs, because I've noticed a pattern of having a dead Charge on days where I move from place to place a lot. Days where my only destinations are home and work don't seem to exhibit the issue as much.
I suppose I'm past the point of being interested in solving it, and the device's limited community uptake (relative to something like the Nexus phones, or several of the more popular HTCs) doesn't help. That's the hugely exciting thing about the Galaxy Nexus -- we at least know it'll be crazy popular here, at Rootzwiki, and everywhere else. I just hope it's got a decent DAC and headphone amp, because otherwise the Fascinate and the Charge are still going to be my future.
Someone asked me to post my setup, so I guess I'll repeat myself. I'm running EP3HA debloated. I've tried it with the stock kernel and with imoseyon's kernel -- didn't notice major differences either way. Compared to its predecessors, EP3HA has been an incredible improvement -- I ran the gamut and tried everything before, but I probably spent the most time with assorted builds of GummyCharged FE. I switched to EP3HA once I saw that imoseyon got Voodoo Sound working on his kernel, and I definitely believe that's currently the best way to use the Charge. I get fewer launcher redraws, and data drops less -- but make no mistake, there are still redraws and drops. I do firmly believe that this phone is headed toward greatness; in a year or so it's going to be a really amazing choice if it keeps improving at this rate. So, I'm coming back in a year. I've just grown weary of living with a problematic phone when Android itself has been done so much more gracefully on other devices -- how can any Charge owner deny that? Even if you love the device's hardware (as I do), have somehow had no issues (lol), and intend to keep it... the ability to run AOSP ROMs and to consistently get through the day on a single charge are irrefutably pretty big advantages.
One of my pals got a Droid Charge the same day as me, and has been experiencing all these same issues. In fact, our decisions to switch -- me to the Fascinate and him to the DInc -- were born out of frequent griping to each other about how poor the day-to-day with the Charge has been. Of course we hate losing LTE, it's obnoxious. The biggest reason we're paying Verizon's hilariously awful prices was to get access to LTE 700, and hopefully we'll get to come back to it soon. It's kind of a bummer because this has been his first Android device (he came from an iPhone 3GS). I told him the day we got our phones that I really wished Verizon had a solid LTE device with mature CyanogenMod support, because Samsung puts out a really embarassing version of Android and it's a super ****ty first impression to show him of the platform I've grown to love. "But," we said, "having LTE should make up for it."
It almost does. Almost.
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This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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Do you work for Samsung? Why on earth could you possibly be bothered by people objectively stating their complaints about a half-baked product? I signed a two-year contract for an overpriced unfinished smartphone too, dude. I'm in the same boat as you.
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If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
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Look how bad your post is. This is a bad, bad post.
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I thought I was pretty clear in my OP, but maybe not. I miss CyanogenMod. That is the main thing that I miss. The Charge doesn't have it. I guess I also miss having a small device, but that's not a fair complaint right now -- LTE radios are chunky, and I recognize that.
The battery life has been a really big sore spot for me, too. I've tried setting the phone to CDMA/Ev-DO only (completely ignoring the ridiculousness of carrying a larger, more expensive device and toggling off its best feature) to get a feel for what I'd be getting into speedwise if I switched to a Fascinate. I rarely use GPS, and leave it turned off.
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the battery; on Wednesday I ran it CDMA-only and barely used the device at all outside of an hour or so of PowerAmp playback and a handful of Google searches and GV messages. I took it off the charger with 100% juice at 7:15 AM, and it was dead by 6:30 PM. The maddening part is that it's crazy inconsistent: there are days where it makes it through the whole day with 30% or so left,even though I've had LTE turned on all day and have been using the phone fairly extensively. I definitely don't think it's a hardware problem -- Engadget swears they got two days in their review of this thing. The best guess I've been able to piece together is that the battery loss has something to do with with the phone's poor tower handoffs, because I've noticed a pattern of having a dead Charge on days where I move from place to place a lot. Days where my only destinations are home and work don't seem to exhibit the issue as much.
I suppose I'm past the point of being interested in solving it, and the device's limited community uptake (relative to something like the Nexus phones, or several of the more popular HTCs) doesn't help. That's the hugely exciting thing about the Galaxy Nexus -- we at least know it'll be crazy popular here, at Rootzwiki, and everywhere else. I just hope it's got a decent DAC and headphone amp, because otherwise the Fascinate and the Charge are still going to be my future.
Someone asked me to post my setup, so I guess I'll repeat myself. I'm running EP3HA debloated. I've tried it with the stock kernel and with imoseyon's kernel -- didn't notice major differences either way. Compared to its predecessors, EP3HA has been an incredible improvement -- I ran the gamut and tried everything before, but I probably spent the most time with assorted builds of GummyCharged FE. I switched to EP3HA once I saw that imoseyon got Voodoo Sound working on his kernel, and I definitely believe that's currently the best way to use the Charge. I get fewer launcher redraws, and data drops less -- but make no mistake, there are still redraws and drops. I do firmly believe that this phone is headed toward greatness; in a year or so it's going to be a really amazing choice if it keeps improving at this rate. So, I'm coming back in a year. I've just grown weary of living with a problematic phone when Android itself has been done so much more gracefully on other devices -- how can any Charge owner deny that? Even if you love the device's hardware (as I do), have somehow had no issues (lol), and intend to keep it... the ability to run AOSP ROMs and to consistently get through the day on a single charge are irrefutably pretty big advantages.
One of my pals got a Droid Charge the same day as me, and has been experiencing all these same issues. In fact, our decisions to switch -- me to the Fascinate and him to the DInc -- were born out of frequent griping to each other about how poor the day-to-day with the Charge has been. Of course we hate losing LTE, it's obnoxious. The biggest reason we're paying Verizon's hilariously awful prices was to get access to LTE 700, and hopefully we'll get to come back to it soon. It's kind of a bummer because this has been his first Android device (he came from an iPhone 3GS). I told him the day we got our phones that I really wished Verizon had a solid LTE device with mature CyanogenMod support, because Samsung puts out a really embarassing version of Android and it's a super ****ty first impression to show him of the platform I've grown to love. "But," we said, "having LTE should make up for it."
It almost does. Almost.
Do you work for Samsung? Why on earth could you possibly be bothered by people objectively stating their complaints about a half-baked product? I signed a two-year contract for an overpriced unfinished smartphone too, dude. I'm in the same boat as you.
Look how bad your post is. This is a bad, bad post.
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... and people wonder why the Gummy team left XDA.
If you wanted a phone that ran CM7, why'd you buy a phone that didn't have it? You should be well aware of how development works, there are no guarantees. I just think it's hilarious that you're going to pay your own hard earned money to downgrade your phone just because your particular favorite toy isn't on there.
I mean sucks that you're having some relatively minor problems with your Charge, but the Fascinate was no angel either. Have fun with your dropped / missed calls, front buttons that push themselves and total garbage GPS lock times.
To be honest, it sounds like you know the game here, so I assume you did your homework before your bought it, so really, you have no one but yourself to blame.
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... and people wonder why the Gummy team left XDA.
If you wanted a phone that ran CM7, why'd you buy a phone that didn't have it? You should be well aware of how development works, there are no guarantees. I just think it's hilarious that you're going to pay your own hard earned money to downgrade your phone just because your particular favorite toy isn't on there.
I mean sucks that you're having some relatively minor problems with your Charge, but the Fascinate was no angel either. Have fun with your dropped / missed calls, front buttons that push themselves and total garbage GPS lock times.
To be honest, it sounds like you know the game here, so I assume you did your homework before your bought it, so really, you have no one but yourself to blame.
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
@jhonas, The phone is fairly new and the bugs will be worked out, I have complete faith in our developers.
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The Gummy Team left XDA from people like you just constantly whining about EVERYTHING. I don't have any problems with this phone beyond the battery life. That's it.
It's not like some of us defend our phones just for the hell of it...it's because we know this can be potentially a great phone. Things can take time. Look at how the FASSY (you mad?) was at the very beginning - everyone hated it. Now that it's a mature phone, it can be appreciated. Development for this device is in its infancy-unfortunately some people can't or won't see that and insist on bashing it.
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
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First off, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands on the market that taste just as good as the real thing, think about it.
I don't believe fivecent was referring to usability as a toy. He was referring to CM7 as a toy. It didn't come pre-installed on the phone - it's an extra or a "toy." It is well known Samsung is notorious for great hardware and crappy software. If you and kalibar have been around on Android at all, you should have already known this. And if you didn't do enough research to find this out, shame on both of you. Albert Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. In this case expecting Samsung to suddenly put out a phone with great software given their track record, I would call naive.
Apple isn't better at fixing things because they care more, it's because they only have on phone to work on. All other phone manufacturers prefer to offer customers options and choices. Apple tells it's sheeple (customers) this is what we make, you will buy it and like it.
The Charge was only the third LTE phone on Verizon. Like davwaman said, there are still bugs and they will be worked out. Verizon and all phone manufacturers are encountering occasional problems related to 4G LTE. No 4G LTE phone has a functional CM7 because of the 4G radios/RIL.
And TeamGummy and several other developers didn't leave XDA for either your reason or the other reason stated. It's not my place to say why they left. You can ask them yourself, which you obviously haven't done based on your post.
And finally, you've been a member here since 2007 and this rant is your first post? Really? Not one productive or helpful post before now?
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
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so much BUTTHURT lol
no but seriously I loved my FASSY and I love my Charge, sure they both have issues but are incredible phones none the less.. there are always problems and always will be as no phone is perfect, and this constant whining about how bad it is isn't helping anyone unless its an actual constructive question about how to fix something or why something's happening
Lufc or Scotsman where you at buddies, lock this thread up
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Jhonas said:
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
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Chopping the rest because this is all I'm going to respond to. I came to this phone from an iPhone. You couldn't pay me to go back.
That is all.
I don't understand how this thread is still going on. We have a parade of "blame the OP" for daring to purchase the flagship Samsung Verizon phone and expecting it to actually work, then people pretending like a battery that goes 12 hours, barely, if you micro it, is perfectly acceptable, then we have people blaming other posters for not making enough nice posts before a rant?
Seriously, what the hell? The phone seems pretty crappy from all the reviews and I don't think that the OP was asking for people to leap in and white-knight it, I'm pretty sure he wanted opinions on things he would miss or whatever if he downgraded to a Fascinate.
(Honestly, "Fassy"? Makes you sound like you're 5.)
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
Also it could be radio and what most likely is the signal strength. As weaker the signal, as more power required to compensate.
WAAAAHHHH! Don't buy a smart phone then.
I get a full days use. About 2 hours of music playing, signed into an IM client and do some msg and talking and still have 75% at the end of the day.
My guess that its your rom, but i am betting you didn't change the setting in HTC's task manager.
Go to Settings > system > Task manager and change the close action button actually close the buttom. The default action for WM task manager and HTC task manager is to minimize or hide the apps.
So let's say i open WMPlayer, Google Maps, Contacts, Text, Microsoft word. I hit the X, but if i don't change that setting, when i press the X, those programs are still running consuming battery and memory.
Try making sure no unneeded tasks are running and update your radio to 1.14.25.05, and Da_G's 6.5 rom and lets see how ya do next week.
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Yo PwnCakes193..
I feel yur agony.. I used to experience shi tty battery life too.. My raphael can only sustained for like 5 hours.. without battery draining applications like music player even running..
However, Things took a turn when i flashed my raphael to the following rom and radio:
ROM Version: ROMeOS v1.95.4 WWE
Radio: 1.12.25.19 (With matching rilphone version)
It is so much better now !! I have calls and sms coming in while Garmin GPS is running for like an hour with battery dropping only 15% from 100% to 75%... !! And i **** u not.. And by the way.. my raphael's been with me for like 5 months now.. I'm loving it more each day..
Good luck and hav fun!
Too advanced for you?
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
I echo what's been said in above posts and would add as a suggestion only to try the new htc rom with the 1.14.xx radio both are the latest from htc. Boring I know, but very stable. Don't throw your device away without trying it. The custom roms can be frustrating as they can be unstable at times, but very fun to tweak and experiment with.It sounds like yourmore a user who wants stability over the rest. Go to htc site and search for latest rom, try that 1.14 radio and report back.
I use a 1800 mAh battery in my pro and I always charge everynight. Not a big deal. I also have prolly less than the 75% you reported at the same time, another not a big deal. "it is what it is" You can adapt or you can get a diff phone. I have an LG dumb phone my work supplies me for calls only, that battery lasts 2 weeks . LOL!!
wow, harsh words.
It's not like this complaint is an isolated one. There are other forums out there(AT&T, and Howard) that have the same observations about battery life. To say that it is a portable pc and that someone should be happy with 6-8 hours of battery life is pretty silly too. It is a smartphone, like the blackberry, like the treo, like the blackberry. And when people complained about the battery life of the Iphone, it's not like everyone said, deal with it. Apple released another firmware to try and remedy this. Blackberrys seem to go for a couple if not more days without charging with 3G, push email etc running, so why would this not be expected from the Fuze?
I own both the Tilt and the Fuze and find I can squeeze out about 3 days with push email, a bluetooth headset, about an hour or two a day of listening to music through the headset and 3G enabled. The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the tilt, so wouldn't it be logical to think i should be able to do the same with this product? I have flashed several different roms and radios(with the rilphone.dll) and right now cannot get past 8 hours of usage on it. I thought it was the radio but I have tested it without a sim in it and get the same results. So either the battery is faulty, or it just stinks.
I am going through troubleshooting it right now, and based on some helpful hints on other forums, am trying to discharge the battery fully in hopes that it resets the battery guage.
I think helpful posts, like those that say try a new radio/rom are good ways to respond. Saying "go get an Iphone" or "this is a ppc, deal with the battery" are not helpful to people who search the forums for solutions.
Just my 2(maybe a lot more) cents
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
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Really? Listen a**hole, I know what I'm dealing with. I'm running the 21210 build of 6.5 that I cooked in Da_G's Kitchen with the .20M1 radio AND RIL. Yes, I know i'm being picky, but a phone should last at least a little while, no matter what. I get a full day charge, but just texting and no calling, on EDGE, I should easily be down to 85% in 24 hours. I know it's a small PC, but that is no excuse. I am a mainstream tech savvy person, and I mod/hack everything I own, use everything to it's full potential. I don't want an iPhone because its an overhyped and, in my opinion, horrible phone. I was never trying to look cool when I bought this phone. I even helped a few members out here when they bricked their phones, and I taught a few how to cook ROMs!
Next time think before you post, you troll.
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I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
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I have tried almost all the ROMs, my favorite being At0mAng's, but he's gone now . I'm cooking my own 6.5 ROMs now
The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the Tilt? I guess according to the order that ATT purchased their HTC phones, but probably not according to HTC...
The HTC Touch Pro is the successor of the Diamond. Just because ATT replaced the Tilt with the Fuze does not mean its the successor. Tmobile is calling the TP2 the "Wing 2" in America, does that mean it's the successor to the wing?? NO. If anything most hardcore HTC follower will agree the TP2 is the successor to the Tilt (kinda obvious isn't it?).
Regardless of what order they came in, or what phone its supposed to replace, the Fuze has a bigger processor, twice as much ram, and twice as high resolution LCD. Its hard to compare the 2 on battery life. My Tilt gets a faster GPS lock, and the battery lasts way longer, than the Fuze. Does that mean its better? NO.
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
If you have an honest question where you need help then please ask, and im sure someone will help you get MUCH better battery life! All i really meant by what i was saying before i got sidetracked, is that if you don't like your HTC products, or it doesn't fit your lifestyle like you thought it would, then take it back, and get something else. Just don't come into a HTC forum, and start badmouthing products, because that will get you nowhere, and you should have been expecting the answer you got.
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
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Where'd you get badass? I just said I hacked/modded a lot of the things I owned.... I haven't gotten into the processing specs and all that stuff yet...
And since when does being a troll have to do with what time you joined? I have yet to troll on this forum, I have either asked questions, or have helped people who are having trouble....
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I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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I hear that, I can relate as I've had my s**t jumped a few times on this forum as well and I always learned from it. I'm not an expert at all and thats the reason I come here to learn about my various wm devices, currently the touch pro. I undestand the issues especially with battery and stability.Except for battery I don't have any complaints that you mention. My RF which I value as a number 1 priority is very good. No dialer issues here either. I also think it would be nice to have perfectly operating devices right out of the box and considering what we pay for these things, it seems we should get better. In my experience all the wm devices I've ever had have had inadequate batteries. It's just the way it is. I did not expect my pro to be any diff. in that regard. I got it anyway and bought a better battery. In the past few weeks I've tried various 6.5 roms with differing results and none were very stable. It's the way it is and I don't really expect it to be better, but I love it anyway. I've used symbian s60 nokia devices and thought some of the e series have outstanding stability and battery life. So I have choices.
My choice is to continue learning and I'll get extended batteries when I think I need it. When I get tired of the wm BS I'll go back to E series for awhile.
For anyone who is calling themselves proficient in wm and the various ins and outs of flashing and obviously has some experience apparently, I find it kinda strange that they would be surprised by the battery life. Stability can be had from diff rom combos. But bad battery life is a given with wm. we get used to it and move on or go check out e series. It also rocks! Lotsa choices.
Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...
i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?
and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.
EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
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****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.
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try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.
FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.
I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone. It has plenty of memory space the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices. Although it didn't come with a sd card or earphones which is pretty bootleg to me but i have the phone and its great. So whats up with all these problems?
Mines perfect too but it is the 4th one. It's a shame it takes 3 returns to get a perfect phone.
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I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone. It has plenty of memory space the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices. Although it didn't come with a sd card or earphones which is pretty bootleg to me but i have the phone and its great. So whats up with all these problems?
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Well, obviously some people have genuine issues, but more than anything it's new phone syndrome. Everyone is looking over their phones, testing them, playing with them. Realistically, if you stare at anything long enough, you can find a flaw, and when someone points a minor, barely noticeable flaw they discovered on their phone out to someone else, they either see the same flaw and freak out about it too, or imagine it.
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Well, obviously some people have genuine issues, but more than anything it's new phone syndrome. Everyone is looking over their phones, testing them, playing with them. Realistically, if you stare at anything long enough, you can find a flaw, and when someone points a minor, barely noticeable flaw they discovered on their phone out to someone else, they either see the same flaw and freak out about it too, or imagine it.
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While I do agree with what you stated I know in my case it is not just cosmetics it is a phone that is not functional and erratic. I am to receive a third one hopefully by Thursday. So far the first was unacceptable and the second was absolutely unusable. It is a shame as I really do like a lot of things about this phone.
Well i guess it is pretty normal, but i really just don't understand why you would point out a problem of your new phone that you paid your hard earned money for.
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Well i guess it is pretty normal, but i really just don't understand why you would point out a problem of your new phone that you paid your hard earned money for.
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So, if you bought a new car and it had issues you would just keep quiet?
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but what you just said makes no sense.
People are pointing out there issues to see if others are having the same problem and possibly find a solution to the problem.
It also helps people who have not yet bought the phone to see what kind of issues it is having to determine if they still want to get it or wait until they are resolved.
8 Hours in after a 100% with at least 3 or so plus hours now with Blue tooth on and sitting at 35% now listening to music still and going to try and kill it before I'm off at 9. Let alone im twittering and using the 4g net to look at some things from twitter.
I'm not saying to keep quiet or anything but i see a ton of problems and yet i have no issues what so ever.
I just exchanged for the 2nd time today, and I am now on my 3rd g2x. The first one had light bleeding, and rebooted over 10 time the first day.
2nd one had the light bleed on a black screen, and a brown stain across the bottom of the screen when on a white background, and 3 dead pixels. The brown stain was very noticable, and anyone I showed the phone said something before I pointed it out. Worst, the gps couldn't lock my location to save its life. One day I kept trying for 40 minutes and the g2x never locked the location, even after factory resets and several reboots. I had to get on WIFI to make it work. Today it would find a location, but it was almost a mile away from me. It continued doing this throughout the day as I went to other locations. So I returned it.
Just opened up my 3rd one. I'm told they just got a new shipment today, and it's out of that shipment. My hopes are high! I turn on the phone, I tell myself this is the one. This one is going to have a display that doesn't bleed. Wouldn't you know i'm greeted to backlight bleed. But this one is worst than the pictures on the forums, and by far worst than the first 2 phones.
I'm beside myself. The phone runs so smooth, and I really want a dual core stock android phone. But between the reboots, the bleeding screen, the dead pixels, the gps that doesn't work, I think it's time to throw in the hat.
I'm trying one more time, but this time i'm going to pay the restock fee, and go to a different store. If this one is bunk, that's it, i'm done. I'm waiting for the next "super phone". I read a lot about the nexus one having major issues when I got it (ordered the day it came out), but I never had any. Maybe this is just a luck of the draw thing, and i'm exceptionally unlucky this time. But it seems a lot of other people on these forums are having the same issues.
Not a single issue for me..perfect coming from a vibrant..
I'm having a problem with the external sd card on my phone. Its locked up, not locked, like password, but locked as in it says its a read only filesystem, and no matter what I do I can't edit the files or the permissions. can some one please give me some ideas on what I can do?
Im ecstatic that I finally made the switch to Tmo last week, just for this phone. Ive been with ATT, and their Android lineup, which imo, Captivate is the only one worth hanging on to.
Ive been watching Tmo for the last 3 years get the G1, N1, Nexus S, and now the G2x. Had enuff, and left ATT last week. Got out of one ETF, but still ended up with $345 ETFs on other 2 lines. And I dont regret it one bit so far. Even went on a Craigslist selling spree of all my ATT Androids except my Cappy (loved that phone).
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No issues here ... on my 4th g2x though.
I agree that some people are just nit picking their phone, but that's ok - they spent a lot of hard-earned cash on this phone and they should get one that acceptable to them.
My first 3 had major issues:
1st one had the brown "stain" across the bottom of the screen and along the entire right side.
2nd one had reception, wifi and data connectivity issues.
3rd one started FC ing every time I touched the Android to set up the phone and if I skipped initial setup so I could connect to wifi. If I did get it set up, then it was just wonky - random reboots, lockups that required a battery pull, a couple of factory resets because I got stuck in the "checking system" bootloop. !Oy vey!
My 4th g2x is acceptable. Minor lcd bleeding, but I only notice it on the splash screen and the boot and power off animations. Can't see it when playing games or watching a movie in a dark room, so I'm ok with it.
As someone said earlier, its a shame it takes so many "attempts" to get an acceptable phone. But, to T-Mo's credit, at least they are doing what they can to make it right. They've been good to me about the exchanges and never really hassled me about any of them.
Mine is fine.
LCD backlight breeding is minimal and it's not enough to bother me, but ogg vorbis tag problem is more important.
Minimal backlight bleeding. Everything else is great.
Mines fine. One reset once... hasn't happened again and its been quite a while... love this phone
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After all ur exchanges, did u get a feeling that this might be an hardware issue? (I know lcd bleeding is but.. all the other issues). Then i think it is ideal to wait out for an update from t mo or google or some custom dev for fixing all these issues right? I know when u have an option to switch , we go for it but just chkng if it is becaus of hardware that we are bound to do that...
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I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone.
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I completely agree I love this phone
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the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices.
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I personally think that the screen is great, my girlfriend has the Samsung Droid Charge and although its a bit sharper I think the display on the G2x is nicer than that AMOLED on the Samsung Droid Charge.
http://androidforums.com/t-mobile-g2x/336262-optimistic.html
sounds like the same story with t-mobile with every smartphone, waiting more waiting, then tease, then release the official updates for every other phone but the one i chose. i suspected they were pushing this out to fast. personally i would have waited another couple weeks myself to get a gingerbread/bug free released phone without the 4 returned phones before this 5th g2x. i came from the Vibrant though (great phone, just had a no support from tmobile or samsung and had some hardware bugs) so my opinion is definitely a biased one lol. At least we got some awesome developers for this phone
what do you guys think?
I'd hardly call this news. Confirmed speculation at best. With all of the supposed software issues (battery life for one) I'm not in the least surprised the GB update isnt happening as quickly as some would hope.
Doesn't really say much. Just that it was rushed.
Kills me though. People are always like, "RELEASE IT ALREADY" and are in a hurry to get it and when they do rush devices they get mocked as not being perfect.
Would you rather have a phone that is less then perfect and released months ahead so we can play with it and hack it or pushed back months and bug free?
Me personally, I'd rather get it in my hand and play with it. In a few months, when it "should" have been released, the issues "should" be resolved.
I dunno. Almost a month after it's release and we have tons of roms and kernels. If you are having problems, there is nothing stopping you from fixing them. If you are looking for a bug-free stable phone then don't buy cutting edge devices.
And for what its worth, the only hardware issue is backlight bleeding. The other stuff is just gimpy software which most has already been corrected by custom roms.
G2x + Custom Roms = No complaints.
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And for what its worth, the only hardware issue is backlight bleeding. The other stuff is just gimpy software which most has already been corrected by custom roms.
G2x + Custom Roms = No complaints.
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I have to disagree here. Everyone has been so quick to blame the lockups / reboots on faulty software, but from my experience, it most definitely is related to a hardware problem. I've had three g2x's now, I treat them exactly the same with the exact same programs installed. One locked up multiple times a day. Another locked up once a day. The other seems to only have a weekly hiccup.
Im thinking hardware defect here - maybe too low voltage on the soc? No clue. But there's definitely a difference between hardware on this one.
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Doesn't really say much. Just that it was rushed.
Kills me though. People are always like, "RELEASE IT ALREADY" and are in a hurry to get it and when they do rush devices they get mocked as not being perfect.
Would you rather have a phone that is less then perfect and released months ahead so we can play with it and hack it or pushed back months and bug free?
Me personally, I'd rather get it in my hand and play with it. In a few months, when it "should" have been released, the issues "should" be resolved.
I dunno. Almost a month after it's release and we have tons of roms and kernels. If you are having problems, there is nothing stopping you from fixing them. If you are looking for a bug-free stable phone then don't buy cutting edge devices.
And for what its worth, the only hardware issue is backlight bleeding. The other stuff is just gimpy software which most has already been corrected by custom roms.
G2x + Custom Roms = No complaints.
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Agreed!
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I'm just hoping they can pull the fix from the O2x and apply it to our phones.
They = Devs
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/16/lg-...-rolling-out-to-europe-to-fix-random-reboots/
I do wish they would have put off the release of the phone a few more weeks to work out kinks, but overall I don't think things have been that bad.
The light leakage thing is interesting because I think tons of devices have this, only people like us notice. Mine is pretty minor and so far everything else is great, so I'm gonna stick with it for now. I don't ding LG/T-Mobile that much for the light leaks
Random reboots however are bad, but at least it looks like they have identified the issue, and we should get it pretty soon on the G2x. I do wonder how a software issue is worse on some devices than others though.
The update to Gingerbread will be nice, but it isn't a ton of difference. I like bleeding edge stuff as much as the next guy, and ran CM7 nightlies when they were first available for my Evo, but I would much rather they take a few weeks longer and clean up any issues than rush it out.
Based on what people say about the Atrix (I know it has a 30% bigger battery) I expect the battery life is pretty bad on this phone, and might see a huge improvement with an update. I'd much rather have that vs. getting 2.3 sooner.
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Doesn't really say much. Just that it was rushed.
Kills me though. People are always like, "RELEASE IT ALREADY" and are in a hurry to get it and when they do rush devices they get mocked as not being perfect.
Would you rather have a phone that is less then perfect and released months ahead so we can play with it and hack it or pushed back months and bug free?
Me personally, I'd rather get it in my hand and play with it. In a few months, when it "should" have been released, the issues "should" be resolved.
I dunno. Almost a month after it's release and we have tons of roms and kernels. If you are having problems, there is nothing stopping you from fixing them. If you are looking for a bug-free stable phone then don't buy cutting edge devices.
And for what its worth, the only hardware issue is backlight bleeding. The other stuff is just gimpy software which most has already been corrected by custom roms.
G2x + Custom Roms = No complaints.
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Agreed. I've had no issues as well except really minor bleed that doedn't bother me a bit.
After installed xiialive, streaming issue resloved.
The ONLY issue left is ogg vorbis tag problem.
I may try CM7 to see whether this problem is fixed.
This is my 5th g2x, all of them had issues from rebooting, overheating, or having to pull the battery to boot up anytime i charged it. they also all had pretty bad screen bleeding. this one doesn't for the most part. also a couple had a couple with major signal issues. this 5th hasn't had any issues yet and ive had it for a week and a half so looks good. I think its a mixture of both hardware and software. new dual-core cellphone technology with an old Android OS that was surpassed almost a year ago. I'm sure Ice Cream sandwich will be completely built for only multi-core devices so hopefully this phone gets it..... in 12 months?
Have you been getting new batteries every time as well? There are murmurings of it being a battery issue.
Im having the same problem with phone rebooting by itself or sometimes it just turns off. An there is time where the screen just goes black, and have 2 remove battery it sux :/. Love the phone and all but if this keeps happening to my phone think might just go ahead and sell it :/
I had the reboot issue and an issue where the device would loop through the LG screen and not boot up (had to do a reset); when I called T-Mobile about this they sent me a new battery. I received the battery last week and have not had any issues since replacement. Moreover, my battery life has increased TREMENDOUSLY. I always thought it was a software issue, but maybe it's the battery - or maybe it's only a matter of time before the phone corrupts this battery.
yup. each time i returned the whole box with all accessories, battery included. i even tried getting new sim cards 3 times.
FWIW I have been able to reproduce the battery freeze bug at will. Use device until battery is drained, attempt to turn it on until it will not even flash the exclamation at you anymore, plug it in and "viola" it won't start again w/o battery pull. I have tested the multiple times with 2 devices
The first device had this random bug "in the wild" so to speak. The second has ONLY exhibited it when I perform the above procedure.
My second likes to randomly reboot, but ONLY when running the stock rom. It's rebooted completely randomly at least 5 times (once when charging, once with screen off sitting on my desk, twice with screen on as I was looking at it, and once moments after turning the screen off and putting it in my pocket. It has NEVER rebooted while running CM7 (as buggy as it still curently is) Eaglesblood (1.2/3 and now 4 or with Other Kernels (though I did have some random shutdowns-- no reboot-- with Faux's Kernel and CM7)
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Doesn't really say much. Just that it was rushed.
Kills me though. People are always like, "RELEASE IT ALREADY" and are in a hurry to get it and when they do rush devices they get mocked as not being perfect.
Would you rather have a phone that is less then perfect and released months ahead so we can play with it and hack it or pushed back months and bug free?
Me personally, I'd rather get it in my hand and play with it. In a few months, when it "should" have been released, the issues "should" be resolved.
I dunno. Almost a month after it's release and we have tons of roms and kernels. If you are having problems, there is nothing stopping you from fixing them. If you are looking for a bug-free stable phone then don't buy cutting edge devices.
And for what its worth, the only hardware issue is backlight bleeding. The other stuff is just gimpy software which most has already been corrected by custom roms.
G2x + Custom Roms = No complaints.
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So you'd rather be the beta tester for the phones you buy? And if the company you bought the phone from can't fix the issues (or choose to ignore it)? Like Tmobile's dealings with the Vibrant. Sorry but bending over and letting these companies take advantage of customers like this... is stupid. By accepting shifty/****ty devices you are giving them the green light to push out devices without proper quality control in the future... And with T-Mobiles reputation of being honest with customers I wouldn't put so much trust in the capacity of these companies to polish phones post release. They are only going to want to focus on their next big project...
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I have a feeling android 2.4 will be out before we even get 2.3. This, "it's coming soon," is getting old. Said the same for the MT4G.
that makes me feel optimistic. similar procedure for rebooting issues with previous phones for myself as well. well if t-mobile ever releases update (LG gave it to them weeks ago LG has said) before our phones all meltdown, fry, or explode then we'll have one bad ass phone
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I have a feeling android 2.4 will be out before we even get 2.3. This, "it's coming soon," is getting old. Said the same for the MT4G.
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That's what they said about the Vibrant too... h'm, I'm sensing a pattern here lol.
This **** would be unacceptable if this happened on an iPhone (though... much could be said of the iPhone userbase's... erm, pickiness. So maybe thats how they ensure results lol.)
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That's what they said about the Vibrant too... h'm, I'm sensing a pattern here lol.
This **** would be unacceptable if this happened on an iPhone (though... much could be said of the iPhone userbase's... erm, pickiness. So maybe thats how they ensure results lol.)
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+1
also i agree with that post a couple above my last. $600 phones should not have problems. that's why we pay so much, convenience/awesomeness/functionality. for the best of the best at the time, otherwise we could just take the cheap smartphones all the carriers release that you never hear about.
OK folks,
I have been a member follower of these groups for a longtime now. I love the android environment. I bought a charge yesterday that is giving me problems. I have not even begun to hack and am having lockups, robot voice, slow response, etc.
I have just factory reset before I take it back but wanted to know what the groups feel about the 2. I will be submitting this same question in the thunderbolt forum as well. Looking for opinions with a reason, please no flaming either device or me. I have read nearly every post under the charge group of forums.
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What were the issues you had with the Charge? Maybe others had the same problem and know of a way to fix things, or a work around?
Overall, I've heard of issues with both devices, but I have heard of more serious problems with the Thunderbolt compared to the Charge. The Thunderbolt is having reboot issues with the latest OTA update, and before that, had significant battery drain problems, with a full charge lasting just a few hours, regardless of use. The other problem, which is semi-manageable is the screen and its washed out look, and I've also heard of light bleed around the edge. The other issue, which I haven't heard as much about recently where times when the Thunderbolt would get stuck in 1X or 3G when in a 4G area.
With the Charge, some users seem to have random battery drain problems. Myself, I haven't noticed it being to bad, but I only just got my phone. Signal bouncing around has been reported to, but so far, when I'm in a 4G area, it stays in 4G unless I send a text or get a call (haven't tried voice/data simultaneously yet), and if I'm in a fringe 4G area, it seems to only pick it up if it is a better signal than 3G. Software may be a downside here to, depending on how you look at it, but so far, this is the best Samsung phone I have used, and best phone overall, despite the current lack of mods (which will be fixed in the coming days/weeks now)
I just picked up a Charge about a week ago after returning the Thunderbolt. I can honestly say if you want a 4G device, the Charge is the better option. I used the Thunderbolt for about six weeks and had way too many issues with it. I won't say that the Charge is problem free, but its minimal in comparison and managable. With the Thunderbolt I had worse battery issues, syncing that wouldn't shut off, terrible signal that would go from 3G to 1X to no service, and reboots multiple times a day. The only problems I've had with the Charge has been Touchwiz and the battery. Touchwiz is an awful launcher but that's what ADW or Launcherpro is for. And the battery life for the Charge is rough, but probably double than what I was getting out of the Thunderbolt. Before these phones came out, I had no faith in either manufacturer when it came to android. Now, some has developed for one. Hope this helps.
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Thanks both of you for your responses. I have read the complete forums about my issues and some are common and involve a bad phone. I actual got 2 and the other one does not have the same issues so back to Verizon for a replacement I will go.
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I have a thunderbolt too and have and still do have random reboots and battery drain. I also get 1X lock in 3G areas too.
My wife owns the Charge and so far it's nice. I haven't really had it long enough to really compare the two.
How did you return your Thunderbolt after 6 weeks? Or did you just pay full retail for the Charge and ebay the thunderbolt?
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I just picked up a Charge about a week ago after returning the Thunderbolt. I can honestly say if you want a 4G device, the Charge is the better option. I used the Thunderbolt for about six weeks and had way too many issues with it. I won't say that the Charge is problem free, but its minimal in comparison and managable. With the Thunderbolt I had worse battery issues, syncing that wouldn't shut off, terrible signal that would go from 3G to 1X to no service, and reboots multiple times a day. The only problems I've had with the Charge has been Touchwiz and the battery. Touchwiz is an awful launcher but that's what ADW or Launcherpro is for. And the battery life for the Charge is rough, but probably double than what I was getting out of the Thunderbolt. Before these phones came out, I had no faith in either manufacturer when it came to android. Now, some has developed for one. Hope this helps.
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I bought my charge yesterday. Came from a tbolt. The tbolt is a piece of **** compared to the charge. ****ty battery. Poor build quality.bluetooth sucks. Screen sucks. And for some reason htc cant seem to send me a good replacement for my original tbolt that randomly died on me. Samsung makes a fine product.
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The ONLY thing i preferred on the TB over my Charge was the 256mb of extra memory really does make a difference, everything is that bit snappier on the TB, but the crap battery, poor visible screen when outside, the piss poor signal, the fact it looked just like my mates htc surround windows 7 phone just bigger and finally some of the software is garbage like when it saves drafts and you dont want it to of your half written text, and the fact the browser instead of being able to type and google search appears, you have to delete the http:// that appears everytime, make the charge stand head and shoulders above the HTC, will be interesting to see what this new LG Revolution is like as that seems identical to the charge
Quick edit: But i have to add that when changing over from rfs with the voodoo lag fix could make things even out in speed, im yet to root so i cant answer
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Thanks both of you for your responses. I have read the complete forums about my issues and some are common and involve a bad phone. I actual got 2 and the other one does not have the same issues so back to Verizon for a replacement I will go.
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I had to take back my first Charge as the vibrate motor was dead The new one though seems to be fine thus far though.
I had the Thunderbolt the first day it came out and returned it on the 14th. I really like the Charge, compared to HTC and Motorola, I think Samsung offers a good blend of things. The media player on this phone f-in ROCKS! The camera is good, much better low light performance than Motorola and offers great controls, and the screen is beautiful. The only thing I absolutely HATE is the **** brown color scheme. I hope that this can be resolved soon and I hope that developers will jump on board and give us a great community of ROM's and support because I think this phone has great potential
I *think* the Charge has dedicated video memory, where the TB doesn't.
So the Charge may only have 512M RAM, but I *think* it has 128M of video memory, where the TB has 768 of shared memory.
Someone chime in and correct me if I am wrong.
I do have both a Charge (wife) and a TB. I think the Charge, even with the Voodoo lag fix, is not as snappy as the TB. Not because of the memory, but because the TB has a bumped processor over the older hummingbird.
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The ONLY thing i preferred on the TB over my Charge was the 256mb of extra memory really does make a difference, everything is that bit snappier on the TB, but the crap battery, poor visible screen when outside, the piss poor signal, the fact it looked just like my mates htc surround windows 7 phone just bigger and finally some of the software is garbage like when it saves drafts and you dont want it to of your half written text, and the fact the browser instead of being able to type and google search appears, you have to delete the http:// that appears everytime, make the charge stand head and shoulders above the HTC, will be interesting to see what this new LG Revolution is like as that seems identical to the charge
Quick edit: But i have to add that when changing over from rfs with the voodoo lag fix could make things even out in speed, im yet to root so i cant answer
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Thanks all for the feedback. I still have the Charge and I did a factory reset and most of the issues have resolved itself. I am still looking at the thunderbolt but for now I have the Charge.
With all the complaining that goes on here, I figured a positive post couldn't hurt every once in a while.
I flashed the 2.3.6 TBH leak as soon as It came out and I feel like I bought a new phone!! I added ICS fuju tweaks, imoseyons 4.0 kernel and a few other tweaks and it hit 2350 in quadrant last night.
I use Launcher Pro Plus and absolutely LOVE it. I set all animation speeds in the launcher to 100% and it absolutely flies. The response it instantaneous, the thing is responding faster than my bosses bionic in most areas (what a steaming pile that phone is).
Now, with the camera button working from the power/search buttons this phone is almost perfect IMHO. My phone never freezes, hotboots or screeches on a call.
Maybe I just got lucky with mine but I have never had any problems that weren't directly my own fault and I had it for months. I don't know how it ran with the stock setup as I odined it to gummy 1.9.1 on the very first boot (it wasn't even activated on VZ yet) and have gone on from there.
I have owned a TON of phones and this is hands down the best one yet. I have two gorilla extended batteries with it and plan on keeping this phone a long time. The screen/sound/camera are all awesome. I had a liberty ROMed DroidX that I loved (I still have it) but these three items are all drastically better in the charge.
~John
I agree. I'm very happy with my charge. All I've done is flash the new leak and this thing flies.
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Same here. This is by far the best phone I've ever owned.
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I agree and battery life over 3g is insane.
By the way, before anybody accuses me of being a "fanboy" or apologist for samsung etc, I am the exact opposite of that. If I was having tons of problems, I would be *****ing just as loud and often as any poster here.
I personally get annoyed as hell at posters like that. I have an ipad2 and I had to stop posting to an iphone/ipad forum when I came close to getting banned for criticizing some of the many deficencies of the ipad. The clowns on that forum did not want to hear ANYTHING negative about their beloved iphone/ipad systems.
When I posted anything bad about the ipad, you would have thought I had insulted somebodies mother.........
~John
I love my Charge too. In the screen and audio department I believe it is the best 4G phone on Verizon. The camera is great too! If my phone didn't drop data, have gps lock issues, and drop out the microphone on calls occasionally I would also be sticking with this phone for my whole contract. I am jumping ship to the Galaxy Nexus as soon as possible though. I hope that this phone gets the support that it deserves in the software department from Samsung with some Gingerbread source and working radio software.
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If my phone didn't drop data, have gps lock issues, and drop out the microphone on calls
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I would go for the Nexus myself if I had those problems.
I almost never drop data, my GPS locks in 5 seconds & I don't make enough calls to know if the mic works or not (I do almost ALL texting)
~John
I like this phone. End of story. Sure, there are better ones out there, but I'm content with my Charge.
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I actually feel kind of bad when I see people posting the issues they're having because there's no way to duplicate it, to help with troubleshooting.
I, for one, have had not 1 single data drop. No voice call issues, no hotboots, no redraws, no lag, no nothing. Sometimes I seriously wish I could have some issues with it so I could help people out. However, I'm available for my upgrade in March and I plan on using it.
+1 on not having any issues.
She's running real smooth on EP4. No data drops. And I'm really digging the ICS theme. Can't wait for source to be released so the devs can really show what this phone is made of.
This phone really got nice for me on EP3HA, and I have yet to migrate to EP4P. Also, don't forget to get Voodoo Screen tuning! This screen puts most phones to shame. I hope we get Voodoo Color someday. Perhaps more devs will gain interest in this phone if we get an official release. I have a hunch that the Galaxy Nexus is going to get a lot of attention, but I will personally wait for SAMOLED+ HD.
loved my charge until, i did a backup and some how i got that stock android recovery system so now i am thinking about keeping my phone stock for a while anyway although i do love some of the roms i tried to odin back but computer would not recognize phone so i was sol on that one.. so i am getting my replacement today shouuld be here soon seeing how the stock o.s. is going to treat me.....
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loved my charge until, i did a backup and some how i got that stock android recovery system so now i am thinking about keeping my phone stock for a while anyway although i do love some of the roms i tried to odin back but computer would not recognize phone so i was sol on that one.. so i am getting my replacement today shouuld be here soon seeing how the stock o.s. is going to treat me.....
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Try plugging into a different USB port. I noticed some ports don't get enough juice.
Also, my procedure for Odin, is :
1)battery out
2)usb cable in
3)Volume up + power to recovery screen
4)battery in
without the battery back in, it will fail half way for me. Without the usb cable in this one slot on my computer, it won't even read it.
On EP4P, it has peformed better than ever before, but i still get random data drops and text messages "failed" for no reason. At home, i get 4G 5 bars. For some unknown reason, the 4G will dissapear every once in awhile and i have to reset my data to get it back. Other times, it goes to 3G. Just now i got 2 texts sent back as failed. I hit resend and they worked. but sucks to have to do this.
I love the charge also, it's the best choice for me right now.. I am testing out an Iphone4S, and both of these phones are amazing. But there's something about the Droid charge. that i can't let go of.. maybe it's the ease of file transfers.. or the fact that i can play FF8 on it. That and the 4G. I must say that the Charge is buggy at time compared to the Epic 4G. but hey.
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Also, my procedure for Odin, is :
1)battery out
2)usb cable in
3)Volume up + power to recovery screen
4)battery in
without the battery back in, it will fail half way for me.
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Another way to get into DL mode for Odin is to shut down and remove the battery. Then hold down the volume down button and plug in the USB cable.
That will put it immediately into DL mode, then reinstall the battery and flash away.
~John