OK folks,
I have been a member follower of these groups for a longtime now. I love the android environment. I bought a charge yesterday that is giving me problems. I have not even begun to hack and am having lockups, robot voice, slow response, etc.
I have just factory reset before I take it back but wanted to know what the groups feel about the 2. I will be submitting this same question in the thunderbolt forum as well. Looking for opinions with a reason, please no flaming either device or me. I have read nearly every post under the charge group of forums.
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What were the issues you had with the Charge? Maybe others had the same problem and know of a way to fix things, or a work around?
Overall, I've heard of issues with both devices, but I have heard of more serious problems with the Thunderbolt compared to the Charge. The Thunderbolt is having reboot issues with the latest OTA update, and before that, had significant battery drain problems, with a full charge lasting just a few hours, regardless of use. The other problem, which is semi-manageable is the screen and its washed out look, and I've also heard of light bleed around the edge. The other issue, which I haven't heard as much about recently where times when the Thunderbolt would get stuck in 1X or 3G when in a 4G area.
With the Charge, some users seem to have random battery drain problems. Myself, I haven't noticed it being to bad, but I only just got my phone. Signal bouncing around has been reported to, but so far, when I'm in a 4G area, it stays in 4G unless I send a text or get a call (haven't tried voice/data simultaneously yet), and if I'm in a fringe 4G area, it seems to only pick it up if it is a better signal than 3G. Software may be a downside here to, depending on how you look at it, but so far, this is the best Samsung phone I have used, and best phone overall, despite the current lack of mods (which will be fixed in the coming days/weeks now)
I just picked up a Charge about a week ago after returning the Thunderbolt. I can honestly say if you want a 4G device, the Charge is the better option. I used the Thunderbolt for about six weeks and had way too many issues with it. I won't say that the Charge is problem free, but its minimal in comparison and managable. With the Thunderbolt I had worse battery issues, syncing that wouldn't shut off, terrible signal that would go from 3G to 1X to no service, and reboots multiple times a day. The only problems I've had with the Charge has been Touchwiz and the battery. Touchwiz is an awful launcher but that's what ADW or Launcherpro is for. And the battery life for the Charge is rough, but probably double than what I was getting out of the Thunderbolt. Before these phones came out, I had no faith in either manufacturer when it came to android. Now, some has developed for one. Hope this helps.
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Thanks both of you for your responses. I have read the complete forums about my issues and some are common and involve a bad phone. I actual got 2 and the other one does not have the same issues so back to Verizon for a replacement I will go.
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I have a thunderbolt too and have and still do have random reboots and battery drain. I also get 1X lock in 3G areas too.
My wife owns the Charge and so far it's nice. I haven't really had it long enough to really compare the two.
How did you return your Thunderbolt after 6 weeks? Or did you just pay full retail for the Charge and ebay the thunderbolt?
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I just picked up a Charge about a week ago after returning the Thunderbolt. I can honestly say if you want a 4G device, the Charge is the better option. I used the Thunderbolt for about six weeks and had way too many issues with it. I won't say that the Charge is problem free, but its minimal in comparison and managable. With the Thunderbolt I had worse battery issues, syncing that wouldn't shut off, terrible signal that would go from 3G to 1X to no service, and reboots multiple times a day. The only problems I've had with the Charge has been Touchwiz and the battery. Touchwiz is an awful launcher but that's what ADW or Launcherpro is for. And the battery life for the Charge is rough, but probably double than what I was getting out of the Thunderbolt. Before these phones came out, I had no faith in either manufacturer when it came to android. Now, some has developed for one. Hope this helps.
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I bought my charge yesterday. Came from a tbolt. The tbolt is a piece of **** compared to the charge. ****ty battery. Poor build quality.bluetooth sucks. Screen sucks. And for some reason htc cant seem to send me a good replacement for my original tbolt that randomly died on me. Samsung makes a fine product.
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The ONLY thing i preferred on the TB over my Charge was the 256mb of extra memory really does make a difference, everything is that bit snappier on the TB, but the crap battery, poor visible screen when outside, the piss poor signal, the fact it looked just like my mates htc surround windows 7 phone just bigger and finally some of the software is garbage like when it saves drafts and you dont want it to of your half written text, and the fact the browser instead of being able to type and google search appears, you have to delete the http:// that appears everytime, make the charge stand head and shoulders above the HTC, will be interesting to see what this new LG Revolution is like as that seems identical to the charge
Quick edit: But i have to add that when changing over from rfs with the voodoo lag fix could make things even out in speed, im yet to root so i cant answer
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Thanks both of you for your responses. I have read the complete forums about my issues and some are common and involve a bad phone. I actual got 2 and the other one does not have the same issues so back to Verizon for a replacement I will go.
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I had to take back my first Charge as the vibrate motor was dead The new one though seems to be fine thus far though.
I had the Thunderbolt the first day it came out and returned it on the 14th. I really like the Charge, compared to HTC and Motorola, I think Samsung offers a good blend of things. The media player on this phone f-in ROCKS! The camera is good, much better low light performance than Motorola and offers great controls, and the screen is beautiful. The only thing I absolutely HATE is the **** brown color scheme. I hope that this can be resolved soon and I hope that developers will jump on board and give us a great community of ROM's and support because I think this phone has great potential
I *think* the Charge has dedicated video memory, where the TB doesn't.
So the Charge may only have 512M RAM, but I *think* it has 128M of video memory, where the TB has 768 of shared memory.
Someone chime in and correct me if I am wrong.
I do have both a Charge (wife) and a TB. I think the Charge, even with the Voodoo lag fix, is not as snappy as the TB. Not because of the memory, but because the TB has a bumped processor over the older hummingbird.
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The ONLY thing i preferred on the TB over my Charge was the 256mb of extra memory really does make a difference, everything is that bit snappier on the TB, but the crap battery, poor visible screen when outside, the piss poor signal, the fact it looked just like my mates htc surround windows 7 phone just bigger and finally some of the software is garbage like when it saves drafts and you dont want it to of your half written text, and the fact the browser instead of being able to type and google search appears, you have to delete the http:// that appears everytime, make the charge stand head and shoulders above the HTC, will be interesting to see what this new LG Revolution is like as that seems identical to the charge
Quick edit: But i have to add that when changing over from rfs with the voodoo lag fix could make things even out in speed, im yet to root so i cant answer
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Thanks all for the feedback. I still have the Charge and I did a factory reset and most of the issues have resolved itself. I am still looking at the thunderbolt but for now I have the Charge.
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Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
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Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
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I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
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I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
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My first phone had a lot of bleeding, switched it out for another and it barely has any. That's the only problem I've really run into.
My first unit had the restart problem but I replaced it at the tmo store and this new one is working fine and is almost up to the two day uptime since its initial boot.
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I got my phone last night and only issue I have is the screen bleed but it don't bug me either. So far really nice phone.
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I also got my phone on the 20th and everything have been running perfect. This phone is just amazing. The only thing I miss about my droid Incredible was the MIUI ROM.
I've had one reboot, but 2-1/2 days since then without any problems. I was a bit concerned about battery life for the first couple of days, but I've been off-charger for about 7 hours now with light usage and the battery is still at 83%, which is fine. Otherwise, no problems other than minor software issues (kinetic scrolling parameters, Qik has a version incompatibility with iPhone, I can't add applications to Car Home).
This tends to happen a lot. The people who are happy are content and don't usually post about it. Conversely, those who have issues, or think they have issues, end up posting about them, so you basically just end up with a bunch of negative discussions.
This is my 4th Android phone (G1, Nexus One, Epic 4G, and now the G2X), and by far the best one I've ever owned, ever.
I've had mine since the 20th and so far have had no problems at all. I activated it in the store and had a slight concern when it seemed to freeze up for a few minutes after it asked about synching my apps. However, I waited a few minutes and apparently it was indexing everything, because once it came back to normal I checked my apps and everything was there. Both the T-Mo rep and I were surprised to see all the apps back as well as my contacts, emails, and texts. Gotta love that Google cloud!
My only complaint (if you can even call it that) is that I can't tell which end is up when I pick it up. I came from a Nexus One and that trackball was a huge clue for where the top of the phone was. This phone is so dark with its new black gel case that I usually pick it up upside down and struggle to find the power button. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually. Glad to see all my apps working with no hiccups, and I was fortunate not to get one with any screen bleed or unexpected restarts. Hope this keeps up.
i thought i had the wifi/4g problem but it was a mistake on my part. had the phone little over 24 hours and not a problem thus far
Most Happy people wont go to xda to create a thread and tell people how perfect and great their phone is.
Xda is clearly not the place for that. Im one of them. I have no issues with my phone, it has been great, fast and reliable.
Im just lurking around the G2X forums waiting for development updates.
No problems on my phone.
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No problems on mine either.
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No problems with my phone.
Only a small amount of screen bleed here, and for some reason I can't get it to connect to hspa only umts. Other than that great. Sucks though my vibe got hspa.
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No "send it back" issues here
my data connection sometimes locks up and seems slower than my vibrants connections. but i'm sure newer basebands/radios will come out and hopefully fix all that. a tiny bit of bleeding on top corner but nothing noticeable...i'm loving it....wish it had 768 ram but it has enough, haven't ran into many problem in that area, i have almost 300 apps and a multitask alot so i'm hopping this one doesn't kill my adw ex in the backround..i have it on persistent but it can still kill it if it wants....fingers crossed that's never an issue. so far love the phone....now waiting on the cable for the HDMI to come in the mail, and screen protectors.
One day 1, I had a couple random reboots. Days 2 and 3 have so far been completely error free. I have very little LCD bleed, only a tiny bit in the top corners that I can barely notice. Standby battery life has improved immensely as well. Down to 3-4% battery per hour which is very good on a stock ROM/kernel.
I'm totally satisfied.
I really like the phone and am keeping it but there's no question it has issues. Everyone uses their phone differently which is why we are having different experiences. I rely on Wi-Fi and Bluetooth heavily and LG's implementation of both is quirky causing erratic behavior. T-Mobile really screwed up the data management settings with their My Account app allowing the phone to use native data when set to Wi-Fi only. You're experiencing that whether you realize it or not.
I was in a T-Mobile store and they allowed me to play around with the configuration of their demo unit. I could replicate almost all the strangeness I experienced on my phone. Someone who uses the phone differently may never see the issues I'm having. Either software updates from LG or a replacement ROM will cure most of the problems that have been posted so in the end the phone will still be a good choice.
No issues here...
Flawless...
Mine is fantastic, I dont seem to have any screen bleed or reboots but ive noticed it seems like it lags sometime coming from the lock-screen but doesn't affect anything. All we need now are some custom roms.....
I've read post from people that seem to be very anal about there phones and nit pick at every little thing, I sold my thunderbolt and love this fine piece of technology despite some issues like light leakage. I personally still like the phonea lot. Its not to big and not to small, Nvidia hardware a company that is actually using the dualcore processors in its gaming applications through Tegra Zone. If the G2x is good enough for steve aka cyanogen its great for me. Not having to deal with Sense and HTC is even better, I don't even want to bother with Samsung phones and updates LOL.
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I love my G2x. I bought.mine the first day it came out. Rooted it.next day.
I font.have alot of bleeding some.but.lil and.very.tolerable. After one week of owning.it I started yo.get.random reboots n freezes but then.came.the.first custom.rom and.my issues.went.away. I can't wait until this.phone.reaches its full.potential.
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twiztidnutzzzzz said:
I love my G2x. I bought.mine the first day it came out. Rooted it.next day.
I font.have alot of bleeding some.but.lil and.very.tolerable. After one week of owning.it I started yo.get.random reboots n freezes but then.came.the.first custom.rom and.my issues.went.away. I can't wait until this.phone.reaches its full.potential.
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Out of curiosity, what keyboard do you use?
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Swype. Lol ya I no them. . Get annoying.
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The software was rushed out the door, but if you remove My Account and WiFi Calling it stabilizes pretty well. I like mine, my wife likes hers (and she's an iPhone fangirl)
Do agree it was rushed out the door but overall worth it . This is, my first non-htc android phone. Previous ones (g1, mytouch slide, g2(wifes)), all were rooted the first week I had em., well still have them to.
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Hell yea, I love this phone... It is the most amazing phone I have ever used... And I have used plenty of android phones... I had HD2 (CM7 Nightly), Motorola Atrix, Samsung Galaxy S 4g, HTC shift and now G2X.... Somehow I never liked Atrix, and I do not know why. When I held that phone in my hand I did not feel like I am holding a cutting edge technology in my hand....
As for the G2X, best thing about this phone is, it comes with stock android(close enough)... You are free to do whatever you feel like doing with it. It is going to have amazing dev support, IMO it already has.
I do not have much LCD issues now with my phone luckily. (But that after replacing my phone.) I do not use WIFI at all, coz at my place tmob 4G is faster than my wifi.
I do not have random rebooting issue, one reason for that not happening may be that I let my device reboot after 2-3 days just to get my battery cycle. My GPS works fine. Bluetooth works fine though one time I had issue of my phone forgetting profile for my laptop.
I have laucher pro, go launcher ex, adw launcher installed. I have set them up differently according to the days and time... I keep changing them and still my phone never got hung, never rebooted itself, and never slowed down.... There is enough ram and storage for my use... I have almost 150 apps installed..
I have 8-10 hours of battery life after calibrating it with battery calibrator.. My usage is normal.. I keep background sync on for gmail, facebook, twitter, weather and pulse news. I watch 2-2.5 hours of podcast and youtube.. for 45mins - 1 hour I surf web, xda app and market...
In all I love this phone, it runs very very fast and smooth, and for the first time I am able to use all the apps to their full potential. Like in all the launchers, I can now set any animations I like without worrying about phone freezing or slowing down on me....
I love the phone when it is working right, but the battery use is horrendous. It is worse then my 2.5 year old G1 and it's battery was on it's last leg. I have done the factory reset and it seemed to work for a day and then slowly got worse again since last friday.
I'm using the phone about a 1/3rd of what I would with my g1 (out of fear of draining the battery) and the battery burns through quicker then the old phone. Yesterday I watched a 1 minute you tube video, sent 3 texts, opened a few emails, and played 3 turns on wordfued (total of about 1 minute, 1 move each on 3 games). The rest of the time all I got to do was use to monitor the battery, woo hoo, what fun.
I am also getting lots of reboots now (probably 20 total in a week and a half), and a few freezes. This morning the pinch zoom seems to be out of calibration too.
Tmobile is sending me a new phone and I hope it fixes it. My wife's seems to be working fine.
When it is working probably it is awesome, I'm fairly sure it can move around in google maps quicker than my computer!
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I love the phone when it is working right, but the battery use is horrendous. It is worse then my 2.5 year old G1 and it's battery was on it's last leg. I have done the factory reset and it seemed to work for a day and then slowly got worse again since last friday.
I'm using the phone about a 1/3rd of what I would with my g1 (out of fear of draining the battery) and the battery burns through quicker then the old phone. Yesterday I watched a 1 minute you tube video, sent 3 texts, opened a few emails, and played 3 turns on wordfued (total of about 1 minute, 1 move each on 3 games). The rest of the time all I got to do was use to monitor the battery, woo hoo, what fun.
I am also getting lots of reboots now (probably 20 total in a week and a half), and a few freezes. This morning the pinch zoom seems to be out of calibration too.
Tmobile is sending me a new phone and I hope it fixes it. My wife's seems to be working fine.
When it is working probably it is awesome, I'm fairly sure it can move around in google maps quicker than my computer!
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every tmobile device that had android i had it. i also had the nexus s since release. i was ready to give up on this device but now since cm7 im liking it even more than i expected. stock isnt always so good....for the nexus it was but stock on the g2x had issues with battery life, signal, reboots etc. this is my 3rd device and i have very minimal bleeding and its great from what i use to have. im just looking forward to more roms preferrably one or two sense ones, and ill be a happy camper.
I am very happy with my G2x. There are some minor issues that I have experienced, but nothing that is going to make me want to get rid of the device. This is my 4th attempt at using an Android Phone. I had the T-Mobile MyTouch 4g when it was first released, but I was not a fan.
Then go forward to when the Samsung Galaxy S 4G was released, I got that phone. I returned it after 14 days, and then went and bought the Nexus S. I loved the Nexus S, but it was not the phone for me and I knew it. I had been waiting for the G2x, and since it was released right before my 30 day window was up, I exchanged my Nexus S for it.
I LOVE IT! It is one of the best phones I have ever used. It might not have the best battery life in the world, but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the phone itself has a lot of features, and a dual-core processor. I think I will be buying a spare battery, which I do not mind doing as long as the phone works well.
Yes I am happy with this phone. All new phones have bugs. I remember my last phone the Samsung Epic having a cap on the data speed as well as other minor bugs. I have yet to experience a random reboot on this phone.
My phone is:
Rooted
Bloatware removed
ADW Settings used to customize my pages
Juice Defender on Extreme setting
Advance Task Killer used each time before turning off my screen
Switchpro used to put custom widgets on top of my home page.
Wintec 16gb MicroSD class 10
My battery drops 1% in 6 hours from the time I sleep and wake up.
My battery drops about 20-30% in 12 hours of light to moderate use during the day.
I got mine this past Sunday and I love it. No reboots, LCD not a problem. My main issue is that I get zero service (the x) inside my building at work. I would think I would at least get 1 bar since I'm in a "very good" 4G area. When I wake the phone, I have 2 bars, but it goes to zero in about 5 seconds. When I take about 10 steps out of my building, I get 4 bars. I can use wifi-calling while at work, but still haven't decided if I want to keep it. I'm thinking of dealing with it for a month and if necessary, swapping it for the Sensation. But if the reception was better, I would definitely keep it. I much prefer vanilla Android over HTC sense. My wife has no issues whatsoever with hers. Both of ours have a 4/05 date bought at Costco in Overland Park, KS.
I am glad you guys like it, as I am waiting for mine to arrive in these two days.
Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. I never had a reboot or problems with bleeding. Hardware wise it is perfect for me. Yes, sometimes I get annoyed when I rub my pinky against the usb port, but its all good. Coming from the vibrant I do miss certain features of touchwiz. Especially the smart dialer and contacts app. This stock froyo one is brutal. I feel like i'm ranting now. Well to sum it up, heres what I like and what I don't:
Pros:
1. Cyanogen Support (A nightly already?!)
2. It's only been out for 2 weeks, the xda community is booming
3. Sexy build quality
4. IPS screen...sometimes it feels like an iPhone...is it just me?
5. Speed
6. Vanilla!
7. FFC cough for the girlfriend cough
Cons
1. Screen Accuracy
2. Battery could have been bigger** (maybe a arc reactor would have been nice)
Thats it :O
**Thats what she said.
I loved my phone at first until other issues started to arise... I got it the day before it hit stores... now when unlocking my phone it pauses on a black screen shows me my screen then brings me to the unlock screen... A PAIN and time consuming! My battery is flakey sometimes REALLY good and sometimes sooooooo awful its unthinkable! Today, I called to finally get a replacement... time to unroot and return!
***lmao at that's what she said!***
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I really like the device a great deal. However, I am on my third. Calling issues have plagued my previous two. I think it MAY have been an application, or some incompatibility between something(s) I installed. However, this latest one, with most of the same applications does not exhibit the issue.
It is fast, stable, has stock Android, and none of HTC Sense in the way...however, none of Sense's benefits either.
The charge and the thunderbolt. Yet I'm trying to figure out which one is the best one. The charge has that super amoled plus screen, and the thunderbolt has the amazing body. What are your guys decision thanks.
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How much is the employee plan and how can I get it I'm also a radioshack employee already with Verizon
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Btw I'd go with the Droid charge
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Droid charge just for the battery life. Both have their pros and cons, but poor battery life significantly cripples the Thunderbolt.
Think about what part of the phone you look at all the time and then get the Charge.
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droid charge hands down
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It took me about 2 seconds in a side by side comparison in the Verizon store to decide on the Charge and I haven't regretted it for a second.
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It took me about 2 seconds in a side by side comparison in the Verizon store to decide on the Charge and I haven't regretted it for a second.
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LOL, I made the same comparison....
One of my co-workers has a t-bolt & he would swap it for a Charge in a heartbeat if he could.
~John
I've used both, I'm going for the Charge. You asked why?
1) Super AMOLED Plus
2) Lighter
3) Better battery life
Why not?
1) HTC Sense, I like this more than TouchWiz 3.0, but after seeing TouchWiz 4.0, I may change my mind.
The rest is up to you to decide for yourself
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1) HTC Sense, I like this more than TouchWiz 3.0, but after seeing TouchWiz 4.0, I may change my mind.
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Personally, I think they both suck but I use LauncherPro Plus and custom icons etc so it doesn't really matter to me which which one the phone or ROM come with.
~John
I've noticed that phones with Qualcomm SoCs have significantly fewer reception issues than phones with other radio chipsets. Makes sense since Qualcomm basically owns the CDMA standard. Also, while the CPU is roughly equivalent, the Tbolt has an extra 256MB of RAM which- given all the home screen redraw issues I've had on my Charge- is enough to make a difference.
Before someone brings it up, it's my understanding that the "Wireless by Qualcomm" sticker on top of the Charge means that Samsung paid their licensing fees to Qualcomm for use of the CDMA technology, not that Qualcomm had anything to do with making the modem. If that's incorrect, feel free to set me straight.
The Charge, however, has that Wolfson DAC and the Super AMOLED+, as well as HDMI out, making it a clearly superior device for entertainment purposes. So really it comes down to... do you want the better phone (battery issues aside), or a truly amazing PMP that happens to be a decent Verizon handset as well?
The charge and thunderbolt both have their ups and downs, but the main reason you should get the charge is you can most likely sell it for more. Get the charge, sell it, put a little cash on it and get the vigor/nexus prime.
Thunderbolt but I sold it they are both no good go to att get galaxy s 2 its the ****in bomb
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go to att get galaxy s 2 its the ****in bomb
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LOL, you got to be kidding me.
I'm sure the phone is nice, but who the heck is going to swap from VZ service to ATT just to get a different phone??
~John
Before I got my charge 2 weeks ago, I was looking at the Thunderbolt, Incredible, or this. I did some looking online at reviews and went into the store to get a feel for them. While they are all good, the Charge was my choice and I haven't regretted it yet. Oh and p.s. the phone I had before was an LG Ally lol so using this phone is like going from a Leapster to an Alienware
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I'm in same situation and have decided on the Charge. For a lot of the above reasons and mainly for the Display and the battery.
A co-worker decided on the TB because she likes HTC and she's used to always putting her ATT HTC Inpire on the Charger all the time at work and figures thats how she'll be using the ThunderBolt.
Go figure???? Oh well that's why there's more than one model of phone out there. And everyone likes to make a different decision even if it's wrong sometimes.
But I've made my decision also, and it looks good, especially the display.
Wait for the Nexus.
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Wait for the Nexus.
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Sometimes other things aren't an option
As in my case, My Company also gave me a Choice of Thunderbolt, Droid Charge or Droid X2.
Not of the Nexus or Droid Bionic and them So it doesn't do me any good either to wonder about better phones on the horizon. I have to deal with what choice to make of the phones I'm offered now.
I'll promise you this though, that there most assuridly will be a better phone than the Charge coming out in the future. Even better than the NEXUS Thats technology always advancing
But I think of the 3 choices I mentioned the Charge offers me the best features, options and mods for now. IMHO
I turned in my TB to VZW in exchange for he Charge. I had the TB since day two that it was out. Just too many issues on it for me. I had it rooted but returned to stock before sending it back.
What I've found with the Charge is that I traded in a phone with issues for a different phone but with as many issues, just different issues than the TB.
I'm eyeing either the Nexus or the Vigor right now. If the Nexus only has 16 or even 32 gb of memory and no external sd then I will go with the Vigor. I won't get either one on day or or day two. I'll probaby wait for a week and then watch the forums to see what issues are coming up on them.
I think the biggest problem for me with the Charge is the unbelievably bad wifi radio. Right now we are remodeling our bedroom in our house and so we head out to our RV sitting in our driveway to sleep at night. I have an Asus Transformer in there and it gets a signal from the wifi in the house with no problem. My old TB got the wifi signal with no problem. My wife's dinc get wifi with no problem, but this Charge barely gets a signal when it gets one and the signal fades in and out constantly.
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I turned in my TB to VZW in exchange for he Charge. I had the TB since day two that it was out. Just too many issues on it for me. I had it rooted but returned to stock before sending it back.
What I've found with the Charge is that I traded in a phone with issues for a different phone but with as many issues, just different issues than the TB.
I'm eyeing either the Nexus or the Vigor right now. If the Nexus only has 16 or even 32 gb of memory and no external sd then I will go with the Vigor. I won't get either one on day or or day two. I'll probaby wait for a week and then watch the forums to see what issues are coming up on them.
I think the biggest problem for me with the Charge is the unbelievably bad wifi radio. Right now we are remodeling our bedroom in our house and so we head out to our RV sitting in our driveway to sleep at night. I have an Asus Transformer in there and it gets a signal from the wifi in the house with no problem. My old TB got the wifi signal with no problem. My wife's dinc get wifi with no problem, but this Charge barely gets a signal when it gets one and the signal fades in and out constantly.
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yes finally someone brought up an issue I've had since day 1!!! I thought I was the only one who had horrendous wifi range on my Charge... the router in my place is maybe 30+ feet away in the back, my room's in the front where my laptop (and gf's Dinc) picks up the signal just fine and my Charge gets 0-1 bar... and I got a Cisco N+ router just for that reason, the range and speed
I love the Droid Charge's hardware, I really do. Those first-gen Galaxy S PenTile AMOLED displays drove me nuts, LTE is the effing truth, and thankfully, the Wolfson DAC is just as killer as it was last time around -- I came from a Vibrant on T-Mobile.
As you can probably imagine, I'm loathe to give up LTE. And I've got incredible respect for the work that imnuts, imoseyon, the GummyCharged bros, and all the other developers here and at RW are putting into this phone to make it usable -- seriously, you guys are awesome. But the day-to-day with this phone is just wearing on me hard, and I really miss the serene world of stable CyanogenMod. These days, my battery will randomly choose days to die before I'm even home from work, the GPS chip doesn't seem any better than the Vibrant's was, the phone is noticeably less responsive than a CM7 device with similar internals, I still occaisionally get launcher redraws, and though it's improved considerably with EP3HA I still sometimes get data dropouts.
I know it's the same **** you guys all complain about, I guess I just wonder if anyone else has literally gotten so frustrated with it that they gave up the sweet nectar of LTE to get the hell away from this disaster of a software implementation. I joined the Galaxy S party late in the Vibrant's lifespan so I had a really positive experience thanks to all the great development people had done for it. I didn't really get the full flavor of "Samsung Disease" until this phone, and for chrissake, I can see why people were running the hate parade.
Has anyone else here gone back (or thought about going back) to an Ev-DO phone just for a better software experience? We can pretty much guarantee that the resale value of this phone is going to completely tank after the G-Nexus launches so I'm thinking it makes sense to get some cash out of it now. I literally won a clean ESN Fascinate auction on eBay last night for $81, so I'm psyched about that.
Incidentally I'll probably just buy another Charge for 81 dollars at this time next year after it's rocking official CM7. Then again, maybe the Galaxy Nexus will be cheap by then.
Thoughts?
Here's my thought: The grass is always greener. This is the Groundhog Day of phone forums.
If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
Cm7 is far from stable my friend. Try getting a nightly that doesn't play well with your kernal. Once you've bricked from this you will understand. In a year this will all be different. Phones are being released to developers first now to tweak them for the hard release. Think of it this way... The linux command for superuser, or "su" does not hurt the machine, but opens up commands to fine tune to the user's preferences. If we are given the base framework to recover to, there is no harm in supercharging the system, just so long as we can "reset" it in case of a system failure or resource exhaustion. Just wait until google buys MORE into samsung's development.
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If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
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No kidding.. my thoughts exactly. This phone is without a doubt superior to the fascinate... then again, to each his own.
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As much as I love my rock solid stable fascinate tsm poolparty 1.5 with glitch v13 rc, Im moving on to the charge bought off funzy32. Why? because I got it for $185. I dont plan on having issues with the charge, because ive never had problems with any android device in three years which seems un-realistic, but Im sticking with my good luck reasoning. The charge in terms of development is still in its infancy. Hell, my first verizon device was an htc incredible and over a year later it is still being improved. I have absolute faith that the charge will be continually developed on. The fact is that it is not a low end device or a middle of the road device either. As many problems as the failure device known as the fascinate has. It currently has an Ics sdk port that from my understanding is pretty insane in its infancy. If the fascinate can make it, the charge will be doing the same.
I'd go back in a second! Sadly I had to send in my fassy to get this garbage.
I was thinking the same thing a couple days ago. I miss my fassy a lot, but it had its issues like calls never coming in or texts not going out. 4g is unbelievably fast...didn't expect it to be this fast, it trumps home internet like many have said.
The fassy was the better phone overall though no doubt. I regret getting the charge as a replacement. I don't have any issues with it but it just doesn't feel right.
You guys are quite the whiney lot.
OP, why don't you post what setup you were running so that maybe we could help diagnose your issues.
Obviously battery life on the Fascinate is going to be much better than on the Charge, with its larger screen and battery sucking LTE.
I've found the battery life to be tolerable on the Charge as long as I'm not doing anything ridiculous like streaming audio/video for long periods of time. I live outside of LTE service location so I have my phone set to CDMA only. As of right now, after a typical day of use (probably 30 texts, 30 minutes of Pandora streaming, 20 minutes of phone calls, and probably 3 solid hours of screen-on time while browsing) my battery has 40% charge after 7 hours and 20 minutes unplugged.
If your conscious about how you are using the battery it is pretty manageable. Turn off LTE when you don't need it. Turn off mobile data when you aren't using it. Switch onto a wifi signal when one is available. Turn off GPS when you're not using it. This is pretty common sense stuff.
As far as screen redraws, use V6 Supercharger. I used to be annoyed to no end because of redraws. Since loading the script, I've had maybe 4 redraws in about a month. I don't even notice it anymore.
Also, if you miss TSM, the latest GummyCharged has it. Just have to go over to Rootzwiki to get it, they don't care for xda anymore.
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You guys are quite the whiney lot.
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This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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Agreed. I really don't even understand the gripes. I guess its just me, but I believe this is hands down the best smartphone I've ever owned. Sure, I miss CM7 a bit which I too had on my fassy, but as I've heard mentioned before, what can the fassy do that the Charge cannot? Unless I'm being an absolute phone hog, I can easily go 12 hours a day without turning ANYTHING off. I don't get screen redraws, static phone calls, data drop offs, or any of the other complaints. I occasionally have some minor Rom nuances but you get that with just about any Rom and Android phone. I'm seriously loving my Droid Charge experience! I don't get the whining or the constant threads on this topic. If you don't like it, you don't need our approval to move on. Just get rid of the phone and move on already!
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I thought I was pretty clear in my OP, but maybe not. I miss CyanogenMod. That is the main thing that I miss. The Charge doesn't have it. I guess I also miss having a small device, but that's not a fair complaint right now -- LTE radios are chunky, and I recognize that.
The battery life has been a really big sore spot for me, too. I've tried setting the phone to CDMA/Ev-DO only (completely ignoring the ridiculousness of carrying a larger, more expensive device and toggling off its best feature) to get a feel for what I'd be getting into speedwise if I switched to a Fascinate. I rarely use GPS, and leave it turned off.
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the battery; on Wednesday I ran it CDMA-only and barely used the device at all outside of an hour or so of PowerAmp playback and a handful of Google searches and GV messages. I took it off the charger with 100% juice at 7:15 AM, and it was dead by 6:30 PM. The maddening part is that it's crazy inconsistent: there are days where it makes it through the whole day with 30% or so left,even though I've had LTE turned on all day and have been using the phone fairly extensively. I definitely don't think it's a hardware problem -- Engadget swears they got two days in their review of this thing. The best guess I've been able to piece together is that the battery loss has something to do with with the phone's poor tower handoffs, because I've noticed a pattern of having a dead Charge on days where I move from place to place a lot. Days where my only destinations are home and work don't seem to exhibit the issue as much.
I suppose I'm past the point of being interested in solving it, and the device's limited community uptake (relative to something like the Nexus phones, or several of the more popular HTCs) doesn't help. That's the hugely exciting thing about the Galaxy Nexus -- we at least know it'll be crazy popular here, at Rootzwiki, and everywhere else. I just hope it's got a decent DAC and headphone amp, because otherwise the Fascinate and the Charge are still going to be my future.
Someone asked me to post my setup, so I guess I'll repeat myself. I'm running EP3HA debloated. I've tried it with the stock kernel and with imoseyon's kernel -- didn't notice major differences either way. Compared to its predecessors, EP3HA has been an incredible improvement -- I ran the gamut and tried everything before, but I probably spent the most time with assorted builds of GummyCharged FE. I switched to EP3HA once I saw that imoseyon got Voodoo Sound working on his kernel, and I definitely believe that's currently the best way to use the Charge. I get fewer launcher redraws, and data drops less -- but make no mistake, there are still redraws and drops. I do firmly believe that this phone is headed toward greatness; in a year or so it's going to be a really amazing choice if it keeps improving at this rate. So, I'm coming back in a year. I've just grown weary of living with a problematic phone when Android itself has been done so much more gracefully on other devices -- how can any Charge owner deny that? Even if you love the device's hardware (as I do), have somehow had no issues (lol), and intend to keep it... the ability to run AOSP ROMs and to consistently get through the day on a single charge are irrefutably pretty big advantages.
One of my pals got a Droid Charge the same day as me, and has been experiencing all these same issues. In fact, our decisions to switch -- me to the Fascinate and him to the DInc -- were born out of frequent griping to each other about how poor the day-to-day with the Charge has been. Of course we hate losing LTE, it's obnoxious. The biggest reason we're paying Verizon's hilariously awful prices was to get access to LTE 700, and hopefully we'll get to come back to it soon. It's kind of a bummer because this has been his first Android device (he came from an iPhone 3GS). I told him the day we got our phones that I really wished Verizon had a solid LTE device with mature CyanogenMod support, because Samsung puts out a really embarassing version of Android and it's a super ****ty first impression to show him of the platform I've grown to love. "But," we said, "having LTE should make up for it."
It almost does. Almost.
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This. I'm tired of people bashing this phone. Sure, it has some issues, but if you're that fed up with is just get rid of the phone. No sense in continuously *****ing about it.
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Do you work for Samsung? Why on earth could you possibly be bothered by people objectively stating their complaints about a half-baked product? I signed a two-year contract for an overpriced unfinished smartphone too, dude. I'm in the same boat as you.
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If you want to go back to a 3G phone, how about you set your Charge to 3G only? That way it behaves the same as a Fascinate.
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Look how bad your post is. This is a bad, bad post.
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I thought I was pretty clear in my OP, but maybe not. I miss CyanogenMod. That is the main thing that I miss. The Charge doesn't have it. I guess I also miss having a small device, but that's not a fair complaint right now -- LTE radios are chunky, and I recognize that.
The battery life has been a really big sore spot for me, too. I've tried setting the phone to CDMA/Ev-DO only (completely ignoring the ridiculousness of carrying a larger, more expensive device and toggling off its best feature) to get a feel for what I'd be getting into speedwise if I switched to a Fascinate. I rarely use GPS, and leave it turned off.
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the battery; on Wednesday I ran it CDMA-only and barely used the device at all outside of an hour or so of PowerAmp playback and a handful of Google searches and GV messages. I took it off the charger with 100% juice at 7:15 AM, and it was dead by 6:30 PM. The maddening part is that it's crazy inconsistent: there are days where it makes it through the whole day with 30% or so left,even though I've had LTE turned on all day and have been using the phone fairly extensively. I definitely don't think it's a hardware problem -- Engadget swears they got two days in their review of this thing. The best guess I've been able to piece together is that the battery loss has something to do with with the phone's poor tower handoffs, because I've noticed a pattern of having a dead Charge on days where I move from place to place a lot. Days where my only destinations are home and work don't seem to exhibit the issue as much.
I suppose I'm past the point of being interested in solving it, and the device's limited community uptake (relative to something like the Nexus phones, or several of the more popular HTCs) doesn't help. That's the hugely exciting thing about the Galaxy Nexus -- we at least know it'll be crazy popular here, at Rootzwiki, and everywhere else. I just hope it's got a decent DAC and headphone amp, because otherwise the Fascinate and the Charge are still going to be my future.
Someone asked me to post my setup, so I guess I'll repeat myself. I'm running EP3HA debloated. I've tried it with the stock kernel and with imoseyon's kernel -- didn't notice major differences either way. Compared to its predecessors, EP3HA has been an incredible improvement -- I ran the gamut and tried everything before, but I probably spent the most time with assorted builds of GummyCharged FE. I switched to EP3HA once I saw that imoseyon got Voodoo Sound working on his kernel, and I definitely believe that's currently the best way to use the Charge. I get fewer launcher redraws, and data drops less -- but make no mistake, there are still redraws and drops. I do firmly believe that this phone is headed toward greatness; in a year or so it's going to be a really amazing choice if it keeps improving at this rate. So, I'm coming back in a year. I've just grown weary of living with a problematic phone when Android itself has been done so much more gracefully on other devices -- how can any Charge owner deny that? Even if you love the device's hardware (as I do), have somehow had no issues (lol), and intend to keep it... the ability to run AOSP ROMs and to consistently get through the day on a single charge are irrefutably pretty big advantages.
One of my pals got a Droid Charge the same day as me, and has been experiencing all these same issues. In fact, our decisions to switch -- me to the Fascinate and him to the DInc -- were born out of frequent griping to each other about how poor the day-to-day with the Charge has been. Of course we hate losing LTE, it's obnoxious. The biggest reason we're paying Verizon's hilariously awful prices was to get access to LTE 700, and hopefully we'll get to come back to it soon. It's kind of a bummer because this has been his first Android device (he came from an iPhone 3GS). I told him the day we got our phones that I really wished Verizon had a solid LTE device with mature CyanogenMod support, because Samsung puts out a really embarassing version of Android and it's a super ****ty first impression to show him of the platform I've grown to love. "But," we said, "having LTE should make up for it."
It almost does. Almost.
Do you work for Samsung? Why on earth could you possibly be bothered by people objectively stating their complaints about a half-baked product? I signed a two-year contract for an overpriced unfinished smartphone too, dude. I'm in the same boat as you.
Look how bad your post is. This is a bad, bad post.
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... and people wonder why the Gummy team left XDA.
If you wanted a phone that ran CM7, why'd you buy a phone that didn't have it? You should be well aware of how development works, there are no guarantees. I just think it's hilarious that you're going to pay your own hard earned money to downgrade your phone just because your particular favorite toy isn't on there.
I mean sucks that you're having some relatively minor problems with your Charge, but the Fascinate was no angel either. Have fun with your dropped / missed calls, front buttons that push themselves and total garbage GPS lock times.
To be honest, it sounds like you know the game here, so I assume you did your homework before your bought it, so really, you have no one but yourself to blame.
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... and people wonder why the Gummy team left XDA.
If you wanted a phone that ran CM7, why'd you buy a phone that didn't have it? You should be well aware of how development works, there are no guarantees. I just think it's hilarious that you're going to pay your own hard earned money to downgrade your phone just because your particular favorite toy isn't on there.
I mean sucks that you're having some relatively minor problems with your Charge, but the Fascinate was no angel either. Have fun with your dropped / missed calls, front buttons that push themselves and total garbage GPS lock times.
To be honest, it sounds like you know the game here, so I assume you did your homework before your bought it, so really, you have no one but yourself to blame.
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
@jhonas, The phone is fairly new and the bugs will be worked out, I have complete faith in our developers.
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The Gummy Team left XDA from people like you just constantly whining about EVERYTHING. I don't have any problems with this phone beyond the battery life. That's it.
It's not like some of us defend our phones just for the hell of it...it's because we know this can be potentially a great phone. Things can take time. Look at how the FASSY (you mad?) was at the very beginning - everyone hated it. Now that it's a mature phone, it can be appreciated. Development for this device is in its infancy-unfortunately some people can't or won't see that and insist on bashing it.
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
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First off, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands on the market that taste just as good as the real thing, think about it.
I don't believe fivecent was referring to usability as a toy. He was referring to CM7 as a toy. It didn't come pre-installed on the phone - it's an extra or a "toy." It is well known Samsung is notorious for great hardware and crappy software. If you and kalibar have been around on Android at all, you should have already known this. And if you didn't do enough research to find this out, shame on both of you. Albert Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. In this case expecting Samsung to suddenly put out a phone with great software given their track record, I would call naive.
Apple isn't better at fixing things because they care more, it's because they only have on phone to work on. All other phone manufacturers prefer to offer customers options and choices. Apple tells it's sheeple (customers) this is what we make, you will buy it and like it.
The Charge was only the third LTE phone on Verizon. Like davwaman said, there are still bugs and they will be worked out. Verizon and all phone manufacturers are encountering occasional problems related to 4G LTE. No 4G LTE phone has a functional CM7 because of the 4G radios/RIL.
And TeamGummy and several other developers didn't leave XDA for either your reason or the other reason stated. It's not my place to say why they left. You can ask them yourself, which you obviously haven't done based on your post.
And finally, you've been a member here since 2007 and this rant is your first post? Really? Not one productive or helpful post before now?
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Since when was usability a toy? Maybe it's his fault for buying a phone that doesn't have CM7, but it's not his fault the phone's stock firmware is garbage. Why are you all apologists for this device? Is it because you bought it? Do you guys go around, telling people how your phone is the best phone no matter what, all because you paid money for it and to do otherwise would make you feel stupid?
Just be honest. The phone kinda sucks. It'd be one thing if the battery life was just bad, but the fact that it varies from day to day is like having a car that gets 25mpg on some days and 12mpg on others. It's one thing to tolerate mediocrity, but to defend it is absolutely despicable. You all should be ashamed.
Multiple times, across multiple firmwares (humble, gummy, fe and gbe, infinity beta w/ ep3ha) I've had the phone lag at inappropriate times that resulted in committing an action that I absolutely did not want.
For example, and I think this was on Gummy 2.0 GBE (laughably bad compared to even the release candidates that came before it), one time I pressed the power button to wake the phone, and it didn't wake (I have a case that makes it so you have to push a little harder), so I pressed it again and it did. I then slid to unlock, but instead of that happening, the phone shut off. It was so laggy that it actually did detect the first power button press, and the second one I held slightly too long (which brings up the reboot/poweroff/silent/etc dialog) and when I thought I was sliding to unlock, the phone registered it as pressing the power off option on the popup dialog that hadn't yet appeared when I was trying to unlock the phone. Phone powers off. I tried to unlock my phone and instead got a powered off device.
That's ****ing unacceptable. It's 2011, we should have devices that are responsive and stable. But instead, we get a holocaust. This isn't my fault. This isn't kalibar's fault. It's Samsung's fault. We thought we could count on them to make something with perhaps not the best experience, but a passable one at least. And we weren't just a little wrong, we were really wrong.
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
Anyone who claims to have no issues with this phone is either a liar, or a good majority of Droid Charges are lemons. Either does not bode well.
And stop called the Fascinate, "Fassy." It immediately reveals that you're a neckbeard virgin.
p.s. The Gummy team left XDA not because people complain about the shortcomings of devices but because people do things like irrationally defend utter crap and spout cringe-inducingly stupid nonsense.
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so much BUTTHURT lol
no but seriously I loved my FASSY and I love my Charge, sure they both have issues but are incredible phones none the less.. there are always problems and always will be as no phone is perfect, and this constant whining about how bad it is isn't helping anyone unless its an actual constructive question about how to fix something or why something's happening
Lufc or Scotsman where you at buddies, lock this thread up
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Jhonas said:
If you honestly believe this phone is good, you've never used an iPhone. I'm not trying to start an Android vs iOS argument, but when it comes to having a phone with reliable battery life and a consistently responsive user experience, the iPhone never fails. And although I've heard the 4S has ****ty battery life at the moment, there is no doubt in my mind that it will actually get fixed because Apple actually gives a ****. In a year when you can run AOSP ROMs on this phone, I would bet money that the official offering from Samsung remains an abortion.
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Chopping the rest because this is all I'm going to respond to. I came to this phone from an iPhone. You couldn't pay me to go back.
That is all.
I don't understand how this thread is still going on. We have a parade of "blame the OP" for daring to purchase the flagship Samsung Verizon phone and expecting it to actually work, then people pretending like a battery that goes 12 hours, barely, if you micro it, is perfectly acceptable, then we have people blaming other posters for not making enough nice posts before a rant?
Seriously, what the hell? The phone seems pretty crappy from all the reviews and I don't think that the OP was asking for people to leap in and white-knight it, I'm pretty sure he wanted opinions on things he would miss or whatever if he downgraded to a Fascinate.
(Honestly, "Fassy"? Makes you sound like you're 5.)
With all the complaining that goes on here, I figured a positive post couldn't hurt every once in a while.
I flashed the 2.3.6 TBH leak as soon as It came out and I feel like I bought a new phone!! I added ICS fuju tweaks, imoseyons 4.0 kernel and a few other tweaks and it hit 2350 in quadrant last night.
I use Launcher Pro Plus and absolutely LOVE it. I set all animation speeds in the launcher to 100% and it absolutely flies. The response it instantaneous, the thing is responding faster than my bosses bionic in most areas (what a steaming pile that phone is).
Now, with the camera button working from the power/search buttons this phone is almost perfect IMHO. My phone never freezes, hotboots or screeches on a call.
Maybe I just got lucky with mine but I have never had any problems that weren't directly my own fault and I had it for months. I don't know how it ran with the stock setup as I odined it to gummy 1.9.1 on the very first boot (it wasn't even activated on VZ yet) and have gone on from there.
I have owned a TON of phones and this is hands down the best one yet. I have two gorilla extended batteries with it and plan on keeping this phone a long time. The screen/sound/camera are all awesome. I had a liberty ROMed DroidX that I loved (I still have it) but these three items are all drastically better in the charge.
~John
I agree. I'm very happy with my charge. All I've done is flash the new leak and this thing flies.
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Same here. This is by far the best phone I've ever owned.
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I agree and battery life over 3g is insane.
By the way, before anybody accuses me of being a "fanboy" or apologist for samsung etc, I am the exact opposite of that. If I was having tons of problems, I would be *****ing just as loud and often as any poster here.
I personally get annoyed as hell at posters like that. I have an ipad2 and I had to stop posting to an iphone/ipad forum when I came close to getting banned for criticizing some of the many deficencies of the ipad. The clowns on that forum did not want to hear ANYTHING negative about their beloved iphone/ipad systems.
When I posted anything bad about the ipad, you would have thought I had insulted somebodies mother.........
~John
I love my Charge too. In the screen and audio department I believe it is the best 4G phone on Verizon. The camera is great too! If my phone didn't drop data, have gps lock issues, and drop out the microphone on calls occasionally I would also be sticking with this phone for my whole contract. I am jumping ship to the Galaxy Nexus as soon as possible though. I hope that this phone gets the support that it deserves in the software department from Samsung with some Gingerbread source and working radio software.
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Bear55 said:
If my phone didn't drop data, have gps lock issues, and drop out the microphone on calls
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I would go for the Nexus myself if I had those problems.
I almost never drop data, my GPS locks in 5 seconds & I don't make enough calls to know if the mic works or not (I do almost ALL texting)
~John
I like this phone. End of story. Sure, there are better ones out there, but I'm content with my Charge.
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I actually feel kind of bad when I see people posting the issues they're having because there's no way to duplicate it, to help with troubleshooting.
I, for one, have had not 1 single data drop. No voice call issues, no hotboots, no redraws, no lag, no nothing. Sometimes I seriously wish I could have some issues with it so I could help people out. However, I'm available for my upgrade in March and I plan on using it.
+1 on not having any issues.
She's running real smooth on EP4. No data drops. And I'm really digging the ICS theme. Can't wait for source to be released so the devs can really show what this phone is made of.
This phone really got nice for me on EP3HA, and I have yet to migrate to EP4P. Also, don't forget to get Voodoo Screen tuning! This screen puts most phones to shame. I hope we get Voodoo Color someday. Perhaps more devs will gain interest in this phone if we get an official release. I have a hunch that the Galaxy Nexus is going to get a lot of attention, but I will personally wait for SAMOLED+ HD.
loved my charge until, i did a backup and some how i got that stock android recovery system so now i am thinking about keeping my phone stock for a while anyway although i do love some of the roms i tried to odin back but computer would not recognize phone so i was sol on that one.. so i am getting my replacement today shouuld be here soon seeing how the stock o.s. is going to treat me.....
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loved my charge until, i did a backup and some how i got that stock android recovery system so now i am thinking about keeping my phone stock for a while anyway although i do love some of the roms i tried to odin back but computer would not recognize phone so i was sol on that one.. so i am getting my replacement today shouuld be here soon seeing how the stock o.s. is going to treat me.....
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Try plugging into a different USB port. I noticed some ports don't get enough juice.
Also, my procedure for Odin, is :
1)battery out
2)usb cable in
3)Volume up + power to recovery screen
4)battery in
without the battery back in, it will fail half way for me. Without the usb cable in this one slot on my computer, it won't even read it.
On EP4P, it has peformed better than ever before, but i still get random data drops and text messages "failed" for no reason. At home, i get 4G 5 bars. For some unknown reason, the 4G will dissapear every once in awhile and i have to reset my data to get it back. Other times, it goes to 3G. Just now i got 2 texts sent back as failed. I hit resend and they worked. but sucks to have to do this.
I love the charge also, it's the best choice for me right now.. I am testing out an Iphone4S, and both of these phones are amazing. But there's something about the Droid charge. that i can't let go of.. maybe it's the ease of file transfers.. or the fact that i can play FF8 on it. That and the 4G. I must say that the Charge is buggy at time compared to the Epic 4G. but hey.
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Also, my procedure for Odin, is :
1)battery out
2)usb cable in
3)Volume up + power to recovery screen
4)battery in
without the battery back in, it will fail half way for me.
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Another way to get into DL mode for Odin is to shut down and remove the battery. Then hold down the volume down button and plug in the USB cable.
That will put it immediately into DL mode, then reinstall the battery and flash away.
~John